Test Wiki:Community portal/Archive 6

Oversight role?

@MacFan4000 and Void: Do you think it'd be possible to get an oversight role? Seemplez (talk) 14:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Seemplez: I'm just gonna bump in here, but there's no need for it right now. From what I've seen, everything is fine, and the CheckUser right isn't really needed either, the only use for the Steward permission is that it can revoke bureaucrat permissions from a user. BlackWidowMovie0 (talk) 17:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

I think we already have both kinds of oversight on this wiki, from google I saw https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/oversight which is revision deletion you should already be able to do the admin kind of revision deletion, there is also the suppress kind, which was done to a few entries a long time ago by MacFan4000, but for that you need to be in the suppress user group and only the stewards can assign that. Fast - ZoomZoom (talk) 18:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

If a steward thinks you should have it, and assigns it to you, or you become a steward, then yes. Otherwise, no. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Fast, Justarandomamerican, and BlackWidowMovie0: Thanks. Seemplez (talk) 11:29, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

User:CptViraj

Please delete my userpage, Thanks! -- CptViraj (talk) 05:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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•  Done --Q8j (talk) 08:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Spam abuse filters

I'd like to propose that we enable automatic blocking on our anti-spam abuse filters, as they have a rare false positive rate (and we can just unblock if there is a false positive). Justarandomamerican (talk) 17:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

 Support I Do think we could use filter for that. --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 18:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Good idea, I had considered proposing this for a while but had never got around to it. Blocking is a restricted action though, so this will need to be closed by a stewards. Naleksuh (talk) 23:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

We also need it because there is no way in hell I am doing this again. Naleksuh (talk) 00:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Geez, I normally mop up the mess the spambots make, and never have I had to give myself the bot flag, nor flood the log like that. Justarandomamerican (talk) 01:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Agree, and prompt autoblocks will also prevent the spambots from creating new accounts on the same IP for 24 hours reducing the hit rate and making it easier to find any false positives. We can always tweak the filters that result in immediate blocks if problems occur. It may be advisable to limit blocks only to registered accounts for now since they are so far responsible for nearly all edits that trip the filter. Fast - ZoomZoom (talk) 23:15, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

It looks like we had another Hell load of Bot accounts today and don't worry Nalekshu I can always do mass blocking if you need me to or want me to do it just Message me and I'll do it 🙂 --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 04:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 12:59, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Help, abuse filter blocked me

Hi, this is administrator User:PorkchopGMX editing under a VPN, a different browser, and a new account. I was editing one of my subpages, planning to delete it and use my test account to see what it would look like with the “researcher” user group, when the abuse filter thought I was spamming and blocked me indefinitely with autoblock. The only thing I can do right now (besides having to use a VPN) is to email somebody. I don’t know who I should email, so I’m doing this instead. If anybody is skeptical that this is really me, I do have access to my account and can email somebody if they need proof. PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once (talk) 16:15, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello i already unblocked your main account please Do not use a Vpn i will GO ahead and Unblock your ip aswell so you can edit --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 16:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Cocopuff2018, I’m unblocked now. PorkchopGMX (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

"High chance of spam" filters and false positives

The spam filters have recently falsely blocked two users (User:PorkchopGMX and User:Dmehus) as spammers that were not. As a temporary solution User:MacFan4000 has set them to just disallow again, but they clearly need to block provided we can remove false positives.

I suggest requiring 0 edits for block. Generally spambots trip this filter on their first edit, so anyone who has made any successful edits is likely not a spambot. Any other ideas? Naleksuh (talk) 23:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

The filter should also require the creation of a new page. It already does for one of the filters, but it should for the other too. Naleksuh (talk) 23:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused, perhaps. Wouldn't requiring 0 edits to block increase the false positive blocks? Administrators are active here, and can revert spam quickly. I'd suggest just setting it to either warn or disallow permanently, with anyone with autopatrol in their user_rights exempted from the filter. Dmehus (talk) 23:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't think so. Most administrators have more than 1 edit. I support requiring 0 edits. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

@Dmehus: How would narrowing when blocks are placed increase false positives? Naleksuh (talk) 00:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, in my case, I only had one edit, and maybe I'm not understanding the central idea idea, but wouldn't reducing the edit requirement mean I would've been blocked when I made my permission request? Note that I never tried to add an external link—it was just an interwiki link. Dmehus (talk) 00:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

No, because your permissions request didn’t contain anything that would trip the filter. Also, I just tested that change, and it doesn’t work because most spambots are seeming to first make a change to their SocialProfile, which I guess counts as an edit. Or at least & user_editcount == 0 nothing trips the filter when I test it. MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 13:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh, okay, well, I suppose it doesn't hurt to try it then, since you've tested the filter against recent edits. Plus, yeah, spam only accounts do tend add spammy links into their social profiles. Having said that, on some wikis on Miraheze what we do is simply add the SocialProfile-related rights to autoconfirmed, and that stops the spam only accounts cold, with minimal impacts on legitimate users. Also, if the above community proposal passes, this may end up being moot. Dmehus (talk) 15:57, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

If the above community proposal fails, I support moving updateprofile into autoconfirmed. Justarandomamerican (talk) 16:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Justarandomamerican request for stewardship (2)

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Unsuccessful MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 20:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

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Statement by requestor: I'd like to request the globe again. I've been active and taking out the trash, and now my account is not newly registered. CU and Oversight rights would be helpful in performing maintenance and counter-vandalism and spam. (which I regularly do) It's been approximately a month since my last request, and I feel I have addressed the opposing argument. Justarandomamerican (talk) 00:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Support

Procedural support as requestor and per my requesting argument. Justarandomamerican (talk) 00:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Wasn't planning to comment but then I noticed canvassing at User_talk:LukeSkywalker26. Naleksuh (talk) 02:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

   Comment: It was a friendly message, not intending to influence discussion in a way. I really shouldn't have to clarify that. I was not intending to canvass, influencing discussion, but rather help to fully achieve consensus. (Notice all the neutrals.) Please remember to assume good faith. W:WP:CANVASS Justarandomamerican (talk) 02:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

2. Telling someone to assume good faith as a method of deflecting valid criticism is not something someone with steward rights should be doing. I'll also add that it might not be canvassing per se, but it certainly is not something I would do. Clearly it could affect the outcome of this. In addition, this wiki does not appear to need more stewards. --IWI (talk) 19:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain

• I'm not familiar with this wiki's policy requirements on access to personally identifying information. If suppressor can be granted independent of checkuser, this is something I could potentially support. My interactions with you, assuming you're the same Justarandomliberal on Miraheze, have been fine, though I don't know you well enough to support for Steward on this wiki. At the same time, MacFan4000 and Void are active enough on this wiki to perform any CheckUser functions, I think. Dmehus (talk) 00:56, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
• Comment:The requirements for PII here are just pretty much pass a RfS and follow the privacy policy. Justarandomamerican (talk) 01:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Dmehus: Personally I think Oversight is a more larger deal than CheckUser. Naleksuh (talk) 01:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
    • @Naleksuh: Potentially, yes, that's true, though I'm not sure what information may have been suppressed. If it is IP addresses, largely, of users who edited while logged out, then it's probably the same. If it's grossly insulting and potentially libelous or defamatory information requiring suppression, then the concern for me is whether the user will be trusted not to divulge that information. The same is true of CheckUser, certainly, though. It's probably a wash, really, with you believing Oversight is the greater concern and me believing CheckUser is the greater concern. Dmehus (talk) 01:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
• Neutral I'm sorry but I agree with Dmehus I feel we don't need more Stewards Sorry --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 01:52, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
• Comment Only one steward is active in a community capacity (MacFan). The other is mostly active as a system administrator, semi-active in a community capacity. (which is completely fine) We need one more active steward in a community capacity, certainly. Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:19, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
• Abstain While all my interactions so far with Justarandomamerican have been positive, I don't feel I know them (as well as their contributions here) well enough yet in order to be able to vote yes/no on this matter. Reception123 (talk) 19:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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Proposal: No open proxies policy

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Involved closure, but consensus is unanimous here. Nobody had an opposing or neutral argument. Cheers, Justarandomamerican (talk) 15:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

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Community proposal: To establish as official policy, subject to amendment at Test Wiki:Community portal, No open proxies policy. Such policy shall prohibit open proxies, somewhat broadly construed, VPNs, and web hosts from being used for anonymous editing or account creation. On discovery, a Steward shall soft block with account creation disabled and talk page access revoked said IP range(s) for a period of not less than three (3) and not more than twenty four (24) months. Logged in editors may use them, as is the case on Miraheze, as at least the user will have been likely required to identify their personal IP to create an account. Where, upon discovery, an account was created by a VPN/open proxy, Steward discretion applies as to whether to block, or require a confirmation edit from a Wikimedia or Miraheze wiki. Steward discretion in terms of the length of the block/rangeblock applies, within the defined parameters, but the community recomments at least six (6) months for obvious cases. Where open proxies/VPNs are being used on this wiki by anonymous users, the open proxies/VPNs may be blocked by any sysop, subject to the same discretion as outlined above.

Support

• Strong support as proposer. Dmehus (talk) 20:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support Open proxies have probably been used for long term abuse since this wiki began. This would help stop that. Justarandomamerican (talk) 03:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
•  Support While I'm very new here, I've heard this wiki has had some unfortunate instances of trolling and vandalism. In my experience, allowing account creations from open proxies/VPNs as well as anonymous editing for them usually causes trouble. There has been a NOPP in place at Miraheze since the beginning of 2017 and having a clear policy on the matter could be helpful and allow for routine soft blocks of VPNs and open proxies. While of course a policy likely won't stop trolls, it would make it easier to immediately soft block VPNs and open proxies once they are discovered. Reception123 (talk) 18:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• "soft block with account creation disabled " Soft block inherently means having this enabled, what did you mean here? Naleksuh (talk) 20:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

  Naleksuh Yeah, I know that, but I just added that "with account creation disabled" for users who may not know that that's inherent with a soft IP block. Dmehus (talk) 21:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

• Soft blocking all open proxies upon discovery is a bit much for only stewards to do. There are only 2 stewards around here, unless the RfS above passes (might have a No Consensus closure with all those neutrals). Maybe change it to stewards or bureaucrats? Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

  Oh, sure, that's no problem, but to be clear, I just mean if they discovered open proxies in the course of a CheckUser from an abuse investigation, but if anonymous IPs are being used publicly on this wiki, any sysop could block. Dmehus (talk) 03:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

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Proposal: Bureaucrat rights only for trusted users

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 Unsuccessful MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 17:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

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Proposal: Bureaucrat rights are not given to every user 24 h after admin rights request, rather trusted users. With 'crat rights there are not really any extra testing possibilities but currently it isn't possible to protect pages so that only experienced/trusted users ('crats), who aren't stewards can edit them because everybody can get bureaucrat within 24-48 hours. Since checkuser-limited is also available to sysops, nearly all test features are also possible for admins. Also currently there is only one (1) I only counted stewards, not interface admins user who is active (made edits/log enries in the last 30 days) who has a right that is not given out to everybody.

Support

•  Support. Zhuofan Wu^{Cien años de soledad} 14:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
•  Support --Morneo06 (talk) 12:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC) Comment: I agree with the proposer, the only extra testing possibilities are deletelogentry, nuke and import. If User:Blueexes would have been waiting 24 hours to get bureaucrat right and removed rights from every bureaucrat than waiting for a steward would have been necessary. --Morneo06 (talk) 20:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC); Recent block regarding me by Ronjapatch is also a perfect example why I support this proposal. --Morneo06 (talk) 21:17, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

  Well, in that scenario, they wouldn't have been able to remove the bureaucrat bit from other bureaucrats, so worse case is there might've been some wheel-warring among bureaucrats and administrators (though hopefully not). Additionally, a steward is usually only a ping or two away. Even if MacFan4000 is away and Void isn't in the #testadminwiki channel on IRC, you need only ping me on IRC, and I can ping Void on Discord to take care of it. As I say, perhaps the requirements could be raised a bit, but this proposal isn't it. Best to close it and send it back to the drawing board and propose something else. Dmehus (talk) 21:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

•  Support. --Anton (talk) 14:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
•  Support. –Olipino (talk) 01:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

•  Oppose as the edit requirement is too high. Arbitrary edit count limits may actually encourage artificial or test edits in a sandbox. I'd be supportive of extending the timeframe from 24 hours to, say, 4 days, and require the user to have autoconfirmed privileges, but as written, though a good-faith proposal, I can't support this. Dmehus (talk) 21:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose This is a test wiki. I am in favor of increasing the requirements but what is proposed is excessive. LOCO 🔥 00:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC); (something like 3 days and 50 edits will be good) LOCO 🔥 21:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

  Not 50 edits, that's far too high. I'd support increasing the number of days to 4 days, but keep the edit requirements to 10-20. Dmehus (talk) 21:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

•  Oppose –Olipino (talk) 00:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
•  Oppose I am favourable of increasing said requirements, but as @LocoSalas said, this is excessive. ~ Ronja (u • t • c) 06:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC) Blocked user LOCO 🔥 21:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain

• I agree that 50 edits is too high but an increase of requirements is still necessary. --Morneo06 (talk) 21:55, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• How to identify "trusted user"? By edits or others?Zhuofan Wu^{Cien años de soledad} 04:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposal:

• Users need to have sysop rights for at least fourteen (14) days
• Users need at least XX _{Suggestions are welcome} edits
  • a significant number of the edits need to be constructive, not only testing edits
• Users need to show, that they are familiar with the Test Wiki policies and that they have made edits/log entries recently that show that the users is working constructively.

Seems well. How about 7 days+50 edits like zhwp`s autoconfirmed user? Besides, remember to sign using ~~~~. Zhuofan Wu^{Cien años de soledad} 13:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Seems like a good time period and edit count. --Morneo06 (talk) 19:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

• Let`s start voting: Add following content to Test_Wiki:Bureaucrats.

Standard

• Users need to have sysop rights for at least 7 days
• Users need at least 50 edits

  a significant number of the edits need to be constructive, not only testing edits.

• Users need to show, that they are familiar with the Test Wiki policies and that they have made edits/log entries recently that show that the users is working constructively.

Zhuofan Wu^{Cien años de soledad} 14:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Morneo06: and @ZhuofanWu:, so you are saying 'crat flag should be granted only to those users who have been here for a while and have made a dozens of helpful contributions? Why is it necessary?–Olipino (talk) 12:42, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@Olipino:Since BCs can grant him/herself Bot right, which can hide vandal edits or logs from recent changes unless you choose not to hide bot edits in the page. In a word, to prevent vandalism. Zhuofan Wu^{Cien años de soledad} 12:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, 3 days and 50 edits would be more suitable. LOCO 🔥 02:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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Rename request

Could a steward please rename me into CrazyFisherman? Thanks. --Morneo06 (talk) 23:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Morneo06 Do you intend to use the username CrazyFisherman for the long-term, and is this part of a synchronization of your username across other wiki farms/wikis? Dmehus (talk) 21:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I entend to use it for a long term but it is not part of any synchronization. --Morneo06 (talk) 07:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good. I'll ping MacFan4000. Dmehus (talk) 21:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 22:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I have a question. Templates like this are necessary? They are not used on any page, as this is not Wikipedia. It seems to me that the appropriate thing would be to delete these types of templates. What do you think? LOCO 🔥 07:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

They are orphaned, if nobody opposes, feel free to delete the templates. ~ Ronja (u • t • c) 10:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Can my name be changed please?

I'd like my name here to be changed to Seiyena please. Thank you! Fiona (talk) 01:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Can this be done? I like the name Seiyena more than Fiona because it seems more unique. Fiona (talk) 20:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 17:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding Archive Header to Test Wiki:Request for permissions

Hello all, Currently i added an Archive Header for all archived Pages Current Version of /header, Posted to just let you know for censuses. Thank you 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 11:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC) just need some help with Main Page button cuz it does not work properly

and i can't fix it for now thank you 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 12:21, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 17:21, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Restriction of Administrator rights

Hello everyone I want to explain something important to the community, it's about verification and Users who should or shouldn't have the right of admin, as for testing we already know this is a Test wiki where you can Test administrator actions, I would like to ask should we recklessly give Admin and bureaucrat right to anyone without confirming if they're Known users on Wikipedia?, I think we should ask them to confirm their account on Meta to know whether they get to benefit from using MediaWiki Tools or just for Fun. what do you think?

Thanks 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 17:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

 Comment:This issue may be against of privacy, while I'd like to say some of them may not be really well-famed Wikipedia users.Pavlov2 (talk)

 Reply i am not saying we should not give i am saying we just have to install the verification level to know about the Person we give those Rights, Because we don't know if the User is Vandal or Constructive, my Request is nothing but installing a level of verifiably that shows user's Account on Meta or other websites account. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 14:35, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

 Reply Even though they may be LTAs on metawiki or cross-wiki, you couldn't said they aren't come here for learning how to build castles in sandboxs as students. And some of them really don't want other known their account on Meta, for several reasons.Pavlov2 (talk) 00:09, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

 Reply ok let's hear other's opinion about that, thank you for the interest 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 01:33, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it is necessary or has any advantages to ask for meta confirmation. There was a proposal about restricting bureaucrat rights some months ago which wasn't successful. –CrazyFisherman (talk) 22:05, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@千村狐免:,please take a look of this change.

@千村狐免:,please take a look of this change.

Pavlov2 (talk) 10:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

@Pavlov2:What?--千村狐免 ^msg 12:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

 Comment:I don't think the administrator's authority should be restricted, even if it is the long-term abuse of meta-wiki or cross-wiki.--千村狐免 ^msg 12:40, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

discussion closed i withdraw.🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 12:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Request Desysopped for Kapol1234 and a checkuser for sockpuppets

USER:Kapol1234 misused his administrator tools and blocked me wrongly said I'm using sockpuppets. But I can make a promise that these account such as Pavlov3 and MCC214 is definitely not controlled by me. Thus I came here to request for a desysopped for Kapol1234 and a check user between This account, Pavlov3, MCC214 and Kapol1234 himself.@MacFan4000: Pavlov2 (talk) 08:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@MacFan4000:, In addition, I will be appreciate if you or other Steward could take a look of Kapol1234's log of using administrator tools. Much thanks.Pavlov2 (talk) 08:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC) @Sakura emad:Pavlov2 (talk) 08:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

These sockpuppets is not controlled by me , and l think it is controlled by Pavlov2 , because he had using sockpuppets before in Uncyclopedia , lf you check the sockpuppets and my account , please check Pavlov2 same.Kapol1234 (talk) 09:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)@Sakura emad:@MacFan4000: – Preceding unsigned comment added by a logged out user.

i have no technical abilities to check any user's information. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 13:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kapol1234:You should participate in the steward election to obtain Check user rights.--千村狐免 ^msg 12:38, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

This discussion is closed，because the proposal is invalid.--千村狐免 ^msg 12:46, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@千村狐免:，perhaps not as you said. The Check user rights may be held by Kapol1234 but without check user and said they are my sockpuppets and blocked me may seem as a misuse of administrator tools. For example, a sockpuppet User:MCC214 leaves an attack message even on my talk page.Pavlov2 (talk) 00:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kapol1234:@Pavlov2:，Because I think this kind of proposal is disruptive, so I want to close this proposal,And I Think Those Sock puppets Can Duck. --千村狐免 ^msg 04:26, 13 October 2021 (UTC) @Pavlov2:@千村狐免:I repeat again, this sockpuppet is not held my me.Kapol1234 (talk) 10:26, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

@千村狐免:Where can participate in the steward election to obtain Check user rights?Kapol1234 (talk) 10:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kapol1234: The CheckUser and Oversight permissions here can only be authorized by Stewards and the system administrator, so the proposal you want to be Checkuser is invalid.--千村狐免 ^msg 09:27, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Confirmed sockpuppets are blocked. MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 15:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, @MacFan4000: Pavlov3 and MCC214 are confirmed sockpuppets of Kapol1234? Thank you! AlPaD (talk) 17:37, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes CheckUser has confirmed that they are sockpuppets. MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 19:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! AlPaD (talk) 05:13, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

CheckUser request

User:Piccadilly is suspected sockpuppet of User:Bugambilia([1] Special:Diff/19566), thanks! AlPaD (talk) 10:34, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

CheckUser shows no connection to other accounts. MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 01:47, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

OK, thank you! AlPaD (talk) 18:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Critical: Phabricator is down

@MacFan4000: It appears as if Phabricator has stopped working. Trying to load it causes this error message to appear:

PorkchopGMX (on the go) (talk) 15:04, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes I’m aware. It’s not compatible with PHP 8.1. I reported the issue and will likely revert to PHP 8.0 at some point. MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 19:08, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Rename request

Hi. Please change my username to Magogre. Thanks! Mazzaz (talk) 13:58, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

pinging @MacFan4000: to complete the request. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 20:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 23:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Add (interwiki) user right to Bureaucrat

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Withdrawn PorkchopGMX (talk) 14:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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Right now, bureaucrats do not have the (interwiki) user right (which allows you to edit Special:Interwiki) but they can grant (and remove) themselves and others an extra user right group (Interwiki admin) to get around this restriction. This is obviously inconvenient, so I suggest we bundle the (interwiki) user right into bureaucrat, and remove it from steward. PorkchopGMX (talk) 01:54, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Support

•  Support as proposer. PorkchopGMX (talk) 01:54, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
•  Support It's a good idea! AlPaD (talk) 12:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
•  Support for now. However, some edits to special pages still need to be carefully checked.Pavlov2 (talk) 18:26, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
•  Support It would be great! C1K98V ^{(💬 ✒️ 📂)} 06:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

•  Oppose –CrazyFisherman (talk) 20:24, 16 December 2021 (UTC) Granting rights is exactly the purpose of the bureaucrat flag; too many rights directly for bureaucrats aren't necessary
  • That is true, however crats (indirectly) already have access to Interwiki through the interwiki admin user right. This proposal eliminates the need for crats to grant themselves a right to edit interwikis. PorkchopGMX (on the go) (talk) 20:47, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
• Weak  Oppose, as it's not really suited to bureaucrats. I suppose this could be added to the sysop toolkit. On the other hand, we may desire users have some higher level of competency. Not really sure what the best approach is here. On the one hand, this would reduce multiple hats being collected. On the other, I'm not certain adding to sysop is the best idea. One other idea might be to have only Stewards grant interwiki administrator? Dmehus (talk) 22:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

  I don't think interwiki needs to be restricted to stewards. Interwiki rights are much less important than import, delete, block, etc. rights. I proposed the right be moved into bureaucrat because that was technically the status quo and therefore it would be the least controversial move. PorkchopGMX (talk) 18:27, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

  PorkchopGMX, it's not really related to the bureaucrat role, at all, though. That's why I don't support it. For context, the reason why it's restricted to Stewards on Miraheze is because of the potential to have malicious sites bypass the Content Security Policy. So, it's not a completely innocuous right. In this respect, the block and delete user rights are much more innocuous than the interwiki user right; importing can have potential issues, so I'd probably say this would be on par with that, or maybe slightly above even. Above it would be interface administrator. My preference would be to delete a lot of the unneeded user groups that are below the sysop group, and just have one testgroup and maybe autopatrolled and confirmed. The rest could probably be turfed. Dmehus (talk) 01:25, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain

i remain neutral for now| however crats can grant themselves interwiki flag so i don't think it's neccessary; what do you mean by "removing it from steward"?. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 13:15, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

The (interwiki) user right is already included with steward, this proposal would add that right to bureaucrat and remove it from steward (as redundant). PorkchopGMX (talk) 18:27, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

General comments

• Procedurally, this proposal, though good-faith, is invalid as Stewards are the only community-elected, non-test administrators on Test Wiki. As such, the community has no capacity to restrict the steward, or even sysadmin, user group from having full access to the MediaWiki permissions toolkit. It's more than a bit bureaucratic (pardon the unintended pun) for a Steward to have to add a test user group (bureaucrat) to perform a non-test action related to the Interwiki extension. Additionally, what if a user does not want bureaucrat permissions but does want to test the Interwiki extension? I have severe problems with requiring them to request a user group they do not want. I would, however, support amending the policy to require that interwiki administrators have the same level of trust as bureaucrats. Dmehus (talk) 21:59, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Good point. I'll withdraw the proposal because a community vote isn't the best way to solve this issue. PorkchopGMX (talk) 14:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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Requesting for import of templates Sockpuppet and Sockpuppeter

Recently some users were blocked due to their abusively using multiple accounts. To avoid these users being unblocked by other users who have sysop right wrongly, I'd like to import these two templates from Enwiki and come here to look for some advice [2][3].

The test page was created on my own sandbox, user:pavlov2/sandbox, but seemed they didn't work correctly. Pavlov2 (talk) 13:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Question

Hello. User:Naleksuh is blocked indefinite because blocked in meta wikimedia. This block is incorrect? Thanks! AlPaD (talk) 05:42, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

This block is valid for recent actions on another (non-wikimedia) site. MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 12:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

OK, thank you! AlPaD (talk) 19:44, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

c:

Could "c:" potentially be used as a valid interwiki to Wikimedia Commons? Requesting here for others' opinions. Hellk77 (talk) 16:09, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Hellk77,  Done. c: is potentially a bit vague, and could refer to Miraheze Commons, but on Miraheze, c: points to Wikimedia Commons, if not mistaken. Dmehus (talk) 04:34, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Request for interface-admin

I'd like to deploy the RfP helper gadget that I wrote onto this wiki, which can do things like automatically adding users to MediaWiki:Gadget-markadmins.json. I am the Arcversin from Miraheze/publictestwiki. — Arcversin (talk) 23:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Arcversin,  done, with thanks both for your confirmation edit and for extending your volunteerism to Test Wiki. :) Dmehus (talk) 04:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Interwiki with wikt:

Hello, could wikt: be used as an active interwiki from here to Wiktionary? Requesting here for others' thoughts. Hellk77 (talk) 17:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Should already be an interwiki, ex: wikt:example. — Arcversin (talk) 20:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Arcversin Then why doesn't this work, but this does? They're both interwikis. Hellk77 (talk) 21:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

And why doesn't this work either? Hellk77 (talk) 21:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hellk77: That's because they don't have the "forward" flag enabled (under Special:Interwiki). — Arcversin (talk) 21:58, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Is it OK if it is enabled, seeing as others are also enabled (like c:)? Hellk77 (talk) 03:24, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

It's fine to enable it, especially if it's already enabled in another prefix. Generally the concern with enabling "forward" is whether the site is trusted enough to assume it's not going to be hosting phishing attacks. — Arcversin (talk) 13:19, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! It's enabled now. Hellk77 (talk) 01:05, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Gadget-markadmins.js

Can someone (preferably an IA/S/SA) review my version of the gadget and then merge it? I tweaked it so as to automate the getting process. That being said, if my version is approved, we will no longer have to edit the JSON page manually. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 19:59, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh, though this exceeds my level of JS scripting expertise, this seems reasonable and, looking at your code, there does not seem to be any potential issues. As such, I've
 done this request for you. However, I'd like Arcversin to take a second look, though, making any tweaks/revisions, as required. Also, I know I've asked you to confirm your Miraheze account on Wikimedia, but can you also provide a Wikimedia confirmation edit for your Test Wiki account? Thanks. :) Dmehus (talk) 22:48, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh: @Dmehus: Looking over the new script, it's fine, however there are a few small mistakes in terms of compatibility. MediaWiki only supports ECMAScript 5 (as opposed to 6) in most places (notably, this does not apply to scripts loaded directly from a URL), which means that you need to use the var keyword instead of let, which I've fixed. Also, making use of mw.Api requires that a dependency on mediawiki.api be added in MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition, which has been done. Apart from that, the code works quite well. Do note that it would need an update should TestWiki grow to >500 sysops. — Arcversin (talk) 01:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks to Arcversin for the fix, and for Dmehus: metawikimedia:vi:Special:Permalink/66430817. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 16:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Inactivity policy

Hello, can you see User talk:Startus#Removal of bureaucrat.? Thanks! AlPaD (talk) 11:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

AlPaD, thank you for your question. Your understanding of Test Wiki:Inactivity policy is the same as mine. Specifically, the one-hour rights readdition clause only applies to Stewards and System Administrators, ostensibly chiefly because those roles require a successful community vote at Test Wiki:Community portal. As to whether someone must wait the standard hold period before readding bureaucrat, I'd say your understanding is also likely correct, but it's also common sense. Provided someone didn't lose their bureaucrat bit for cause or otherwise resign under a cloud of scrutiny, that seems fine. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 03:01, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Dmehus Thank you for your reply. AlPaD (talk) 05:22, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

No problem, happy to have helped. Dmehus (talk) 01:52, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Rename request

Rename my name to Toshiba. Starus (talk) 06:48, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

I gotta admit, I thought you were Startus for a second before I read your talk page. I am one (as you are three) 15:30, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @MacFan4000: - Tray (Contribs | Message me) 17:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Toshiba  Done, per your request and because your good-faith username is confusingly similar with Startus. Please do ensure this username is kept for the very, very long term. Dmehus (talk) 03:46, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Administrator request

Hello, I signed up for this wiki to test the MediaWiki features. Please confirm my request. LisafBia (talk) 01:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

• Granted.--Q8j (talk) 05:20, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Please reset my password

I forgot my password, please help me LisafBia (talk) 18:25, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

You should add an email address in your preferences, then request a password reset here. PorkchopGMX (talk) 21:44, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Is this email address invalid?

staff[at]testwiki.wiki seemed to be invalid? Could anyone have a test on it?Pavlov2 (talk) 16:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

This should probably be requested on the Test Wiki Phabricator], as it is in scope of the system administrator(s). I'll try and file a request soon. Dmehus (talk) 01:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

@Dmehus:I'm so sorry that I forget my password, I will use this account to communicate with you here.Pavlov2~alternative (talk) 16:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Request a desysop for User:Pavlov2 and a permanent lock for that user

Hi, this is Pavlov2, unfortunately, I forgot the password of the previous account. Please desysop it and lock that user. Thanks a lotPavlov2~alternative (talk) 16:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't think a total lock is possible but I can desysop the account and block it for you. Seiyena (talk) 16:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Piccadilly: Thanks a lotPavlov2~alternative (talk) 17:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pavlov2~alternative: You can request that your old account be renamed so that you can retrieve your old username. AlPaD (talk) 17:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

@AlPaD: thanks a lot, Could I request to change to my old name?Pavlov2~alternative (talk) 17:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @MacFan4000: & @Dmehus: to handle the rename request.Tray (Contribs | Message me) 03:49, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

We wouldn't likely be able to do this on Miraheze, but potentially, assuming MacFan4000 has no objections, and Pavlov2~alternative agrees to the CheckUser, we could potentially run a CheckUser, then merge and delete the former into the latter account, then rename the merged account to Pavlov2? Dmehus (talk) 05:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Removing the chat plugin

Chat extension doesn't work, and I think it should be removed. LisafBia (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Seiyena

Hi, I just have one question. If a bureaucrat or admin sees someone making both good edits but also bad ones what do we do if they don't stop after we warn them? Should we try to alert a Steward as soon as possible and just clean up after them until a Steward can handle the situation? I think that maybe giving a short-term block (like one day) might be reasonable while waiting for a steward, just to stop active disruption until the situation can be handled properly. Just wanted to know in case a situation like this comes up again.

Filter #52

@Dmehus: Could you or another Steward please add & page_id == 702 to abuse filter 52, as the second to last line? This would help prevent false positives (which result in no-warning indef blocks) by excluding Test Wiki:Request for permissions from said filter. Also, is there any way for non-Stewards to get edit access to those filters? — Arcversin (talk) 01:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Arcversin, sure. My other plan here is to create a non-test abuse filter helpers user group, to be granted by Stewards, that would allow technically capable abuse filter editors to be granted this permission and be able to edit restricted abuse filters. Users may request the permission from a Steward, but should provide some evidence of technical capability in this area. It would be subject to the inactivity policy, and could be revoked if an abuse filter helper either (a) repeatedly made unconstructive changes to restricted abuse filters or (b) otherwise demonstrated to Stewards they either (i) not technically competent or (ii) not trusted. Anyone have any objections to this? Dmehus (talk) 04:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dmehus: Not sure how, but I mistyped what should be added, it should be != not ==. As to your latter point, I would support that idea , but I would suggest it be named something other than "helpers", since Wikimedia uses that to refer to read-only access to private filters. — Arcversin (talk) 11:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)