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Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas to all those here at The Test Wiki.

Have a wonderful day and all the best for 2024!

Lots of love, Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 17:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC).

userRightsManager gadget is broken

I tried to approve a user's permission request with the userRightsManager gadget and found that the gadget is not working properly. Can the interface administrators fix this issue? LisafBia (talk) 19:07, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I've reviewed the code and tested the script. It appears to be working for me. Could you please provide more details on what isn't working for you? X (talk) 14:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

 Fixed, the move to Request for permissions broke the script initially. Justarandomamerican (talk) 14:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense, thanks for the fix. X (talk) 14:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Request for Suppressor right

I request oversight rights from our community for 2 days. I will only use it for testing and I promise not to compromise anyone's privacy. LisafBia (talk) 21:05, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done as suppressor is not a test right and will not be given to those who are not stewards or community elected non-steward suppressors, for obvious privacy concerns. X (talk) 19:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

One question: as the suppressor right isn't a test right, is the non-steward suppressor right also a non-test right? – 64andtim ^(talk) 20:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Indeed. And therefore it is not meant to be tested. It is meant only for serious suppression.

The user right is not intended as a test flag like most roles here. It is intended only for serious suppression. System administrator, steward, checkuser, suppressor and non-steward suppressor are emphatically not test roles. Drummingman (talk) 20:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Interface admin is also somewhere in the middle. It isn't a testing right, but some people do use it for that. X (talk) 20:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

My IA right

Could a steward remove my IA permission, please? Thanks a lot, and goodbye! Username (talk) 06:23, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Dear, @Username  Done. Thank you for your edits, we look forward to seeing you again. Kind regards, Drummingman (talk) 10:21, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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I thought I was ready to go. But I guess I feel like staying longer considering I've worked so hard on keeping this wiki organized, and I have left some things that have yet to look completed. Can somebody grant me my rights back, please? Thank you! Username (talk) 21:43, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

@Username: I have granted you back the crat and admin rights. A steward will have to do the IA bit. EPIC (talk) 21:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Glad to have you back. Courtesy ping @Justarandomamerican & @Drummingman. X (talk) 21:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done, welcome back. Drummingman (talk) 22:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Username (talk) 23:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to change an abuse filter warning

Hello, everybody.

I propose moving [[MediaWiki:Newuser-externallinks]] to MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-newuser-externallinks, and changing the text of the filter warning message to something like this:

Warning: An automated filter has identified this edit containing external links. Test Wiki may not be used as a vehicle for promotion, and may result in being blocked from editing. If this edit is constructive, you may click "Publish changes" again to confirm it. If you received this message in error, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do.

Any inputs or concerns about this? If there are no objections, I'll be happy to do those changes in a few days. Thanks. – 64andtim ^(talk) 18:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

As the original creator of the customized warning, I  support this change. Justarandomamerican (talk) 01:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done. X (talk) 13:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Another proposal to import Edit filter warning template

I was thinking if I could import the Edit filter warning template from the English Wikipedia, but leave out the report error since there is no edit filter false positive page on Test Wiki. Any inputs, concerns or objections?

When triggering an abuse filter, it shows a red box with text; maybe we could add that proposed template under the name "Abuse filter warning", and protect it under an appropriate protection as a high-risk template? Thank you. – 64andtim ^(talk) 18:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

We can also redirect people to here (the community portal) to report false positives, or to contact an administrator directly. I think having some form of template would make things easier, so no objections. Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

One more question: is bureaucrat protection appropriate when protecting a high-risk template? – 64andtim ^(talk) 18:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

In this case, it would be, since the template would be used in the interface, and not protecting it as such would allow users without the edit interface right to edit the interface. You can use discretion when protecting pages. Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Fine by me! X (talk) 18:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Since there are no objections, I'll implement them, but do we keep the report error button that can redirect here to the community portal or not? – 64andtim ^(talk) 15:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you can redirect it to the community portal. X (talk) 15:44, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done, but it took a little bit of trial and error for the url to actually work. – 64andtim ^(talk) 16:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Mobile edit

Does anyone have an idea why this and this was marked as mobile web edits, considering that I am on a computer? EPIC (talk) 19:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

That is weird, never heard of that happening before. Were you using mobile view when making the edits? X (talk) 19:21, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

It's possible you switched to mobile view and didn't realize it, like X said above. Justarandomamerican (talk) 19:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I was using the normal desktop view, but checking e.g. FuzzyBot, it seems to be the same for some of those edits as well. EPIC (talk) 19:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know, FuzzyBot uses the same tags as the edit/log entry that was made to cause it to perform an action. I'm not sure what could have caused that software-wise. @MacFan4000: Not urgent at all, but this is an odd technical situation. Justarandomamerican (talk) 19:28, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

New filters made today

Today, I have decided to make filter 121 which prevents personal attacks or harassment on user/user talk pages, and filter 122, which prevents new users from editing others' user pages.

Confirmed users and sysops may edit user pages, but they may not add {{unlocked userpage}} on a random user page; it may only be done by the user themselves or a steward.

Any opinions or input? Thanks. – 64andtim ^(talk) 19:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

LGTM. X (talk) 19:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Mind if I test adding the unlocked userpage template on your userpage if this can be prevented by the filter? – 64andtim ^(talk) 19:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Go ahead. X (talk) 19:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Per Special:AbuseLog/5852, the filter is working as intended. – 64andtim ^(talk) 19:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Piccadilly socks

I'm going to be combing over the logs and trying to compile a list of all the account Piccadilly has used and block them all with the same reason. I then might make some LTA pages like Wikipedia has to inform people of a little more about how to detect and deal with specific LTAs. X (talk) 22:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Maybe should we disable filter 92? The target of the filter hasn't returned since 2022. – 64andtim ^(talk) 23:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

It is very specific and isn't hurting anything as is so I don't know if there's really a need to disable it. X (talk) 23:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

You know what? I agree, maybe we should keep it enabled. – 64andtim ^(talk) 23:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, they were a pretty big issue "back in the day". Would hate to have them come back because they know our protection has been disabled. X (talk) 23:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done, feel free to improve. X (talk) 02:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Abuse filter request

I'm not quite confident in using regex the abuse filter rules yet, so can someone who is create an abuse filter that disallows common phrases used by Piccadilly? Check their deleted contributions for details (and most things they do that need to be disallowed need no exceptions.) Justarandomamerican (talk) 02:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC) edited to correct 02:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm not really familiar with regex, but I can design the code and body of said filter. Will create it, but someone else may need to create the regex. – 64andtim ^(talk) 02:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm not too inclined in the specifics, so likely made a mistake in saying regex, AbuseFilter rules are a custom language. Justarandomamerican (talk) 02:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I have done a lot of trial and error with abuse filters, so I've managed to gather a little knowledge. I can help too! X (talk) 02:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Will create the message later targeted not just for the intended target, but for all LTAs. In addition, another special message if the filter is set to both disallow and block. – 64andtim ^(talk) 02:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Never mind, looks like filter 88 is active. – 64andtim ^(talk) 05:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Void

Void's userpage is still steward protected even though they are not a steward. Please unprotect. X (talk) 18:03, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done by @Justarandomamerican X (talk) 23:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

RecentChanges pages

Here, I've put this page as a candidate for deletion:

• Test Wiki:RecentChanges

I don't see a need for this page considering it has always been unused. Additionally, we have always been maintaining this message and it has existed slightly longer than the link listed above. Username (talk) 00:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Fine by me. X (talk) 01:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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 Done by Justarandomamerican. Username (talk) 01:50, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to upload higher quality user rights icons

I am proposing to update the user right icons to their higher quality versions. Anybody has opinions or concerns? Thanks. – 64andtim ^(talk) 23:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Seems fairly uncontroversial, go ahead.   X (talk) 12:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done. – 64andtim ^(talk) 17:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, much better. X (talk) 23:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Faulty wikilink

On Test Wiki:Bureaucrats, it says "Bureaucrat rights are required for any user seeking to gain system administrator, suppressor, or steward".

However, there seems to be a problem with the "system administrator" wikilink on that page - instead it leads me to Test Wiki:Suppressors. What could be the problem here? I don't know if I exclusively have this issue, or if it is the same for all users. EPIC (talk) 15:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

 Fixed. X (talk) 15:20, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

 Comment: Also, found the issue; both links had <tvar name=SA> at the beginning. EPIC (talk) 17:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

This fix seems to have removed the MyLanguage variable entirely, I have instead specified another variable. Thanks for the temp fix, Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

EPIC

• User: EPIC (talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights) (assign permissions)
• Requested right: Non-steward suppressor
• Link to your account in other projects, e.g. Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom (optional): meta:User:EPIC
• [yes] I am familiar with all of Test Wiki's policies and agree to follow them completely.
• [yes] I agree that I am entirely responsible for all actions done under this account, including actions performed under this account by someone other than myself.
• [yes] I agree that if I misuse the tools, my access might be revoked and I may be banned from Test Wiki without prior warning.

Other comments: Hello there! Might seem odd, but now that our first non-steward suppressor has been chosen, I would like to offer my help and assist as the second one. I'm willing to help with suppression when needed, and I am available/contactable at most times of the day. I go by the same username on the Wikimedia projects, where I am an administrator at two larger wikis, and I have experience with handling sensitive information as a member of the Wikimedia VRT. Beforehand I have read Test Wiki:Suppressors, and the privacy policy. Also courtesy pinging @Justarandomamerican: and @Drummingman:. EPIC (talk) 00:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Just in case, I have made a confirmation edit on Wikimedia: see here EPIC (talk) 00:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Neutral Though you are a perfectly qualified candidate, I'd like to see the answer to one question, can you explain the need for another suppressor? There are currently 3 active people who are able to handle suppression. If there's a good need, I'll be supporting, as more than qualified! Justarandomamerican (talk) 01:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC) See weak support comment below. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello Justarandomamerican! There isn't necessarily the need, but it gives additional value, especially since two of the current stewards are less active, and as mentioned a bit further up, also gives different hours of coverage. FYI, my mainly available times are at most hours within the UTC+1 time zone (since I'm quite a night owl) with the exception for the early morning hours, and I regularly check my mail inbox, so I'm able to quickly act when needed. So, I am of course aware that this is not a role for testing, and I hope my answer is sufficient - feel free to ask further questions if needed. EPIC (talk) 09:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Addition: If both stewards choose to approve this, I would suggest also checking that X is not completely against this :) EPIC (talk) 15:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Neutral, leaning oppose. Well qualified on other wikis, but has only had an account here for about a month. Also not sure if we need another but I can be swayed. X (talk) 01:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

After considering the comments of both stewards, I still think I am going to stand at neutral (leaning oppose). They're no doubt qualified, but the 1 month of having an account is simply a deal breaker for me. :) X (talk) 23:54, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 Weakest possible support I don't see much harm in you being given the tools purely to have an extra suppressor available. Perfectly qualified. However, the lack of time spent here is a bit concerning to me. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 Support leaning neutral, I don't really have any objections, but think a month is a bit early. I do take note that EPIC has applied to be a steward on Wikimedia, if he is elected, it could be an advantage in fighting cross-wiki vandalism. Drummingman (talk) 15:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I am also curious how this will turn out. If it is successful, it will likely also take most of EPIC's time. X (talk) 16:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

I will see how it goes, but I hope to be able to split my activity between different wikis like I've been able to so far, and I should be able to work it out - and if not, I would of course be removed for inactivity per Test Wiki policy. Either way, right now this is mostly depending on Justarandomamerican, so I suggest pending his reply to begin with. If this is successful I do of course plan to take it easy at first, and ask a steward if in doubt. EPIC (talk) 17:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

 Support Per above. AlPaD (talk) 19:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

At the moment, there seems to be a weak consensus. Relisting. Justarandomamerican (talk) 00:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

There are two weak supports, one regular support, and one neutral. Averaging this out gets you around a roughly 75% support ratio. (S = 100, WS = 75, N = 50, WO = 25, O = 0) X (talk) 00:34, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Clearly define suppression criteria in policy

Steward-defined suppression practices seems to have only worked in the past when only stewards and sysadmins had access to the tool, but it seems to only lead to inner confusion now that non-Stewards can have access to the bit. Therefore, there needs to be a set of clearly defined suppression criteria. Perhaps we could base these off The Test Wiki? Justarandomamerican (talk) 01:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

@Dmehus and Username: Your input is invited. Justarandomamerican (talk) 02:08, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

There is simply a disagreement on how to define serious vandalism. We have no disagreements with PII, copyright, and other suppressible edits. I don't see how using The Test Wiki's criteria would help at all as it doesn't address this. I don't see why there isn't simply an internal discussion about the definition. X (talk) 02:31, 6 February 2024 (UTC)