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| The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|the preferences]]. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC) | | The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|the preferences]]. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC) |
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| | :We encourage bureaucrats, if you have last edited before June 2024, to re-enable its preferences. This user {{Support|supports}} this decision. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
| {{Discussion top|{{Not done}}, per strong opposition. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 16:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)}}
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| {{Ping|MacFan4000}} I would want to say that LisafBia, the two stewards (Drummingman and Justarandomamerican), and I, indicate that I voted, and all votes are oppose (formerly my vote was a neutral, but changed to oppose regarding most people's concerns). MacFan4000, you may have to close as unsuccessful. {{Ping|Justman10000}} If you have any further questions regarding this or want to vote on yourself, please state your questions below the votes in the "Questions by the candidate" section or take place of your vote here before MacFan4000 is closing it. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| I would like to be a system administrator so that I can also support at system configuration level... In addition to managing permissions, I would also keep the software, extensions and skins up to date and optimise the configurations!
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| It would be really nice to get a chance 🙂 [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :Did you know how to use Git, PHP, and SSH, and you are active on this wiki? Please see [[Project:System administrators]]. Also, it would be really nice for you to be a system administrator if you know understanding of Apache and a server (MariaDB/MySQL/PostgreSQL/SQLite). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::I already work with Linux Debian since 4 years! So yes 🙂 [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :::Are you aware that this very high trust permission can cause great damage if it's improperly used? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 17:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::I am aware of this! Yes [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :::::So, voting by the two stewards and by some users is required. If the votes are successful, then it goes to the system administrator to grant the permission or not. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::::The votes are all oppose that it is likely to be unsuccessful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC) (sorry for the late signing)
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| ===Voting===
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| *{{Oppose|Weak Oppose}} Hi, thanks for volunteering. Unfortunately, I must weakly oppose your request at this time due to lack of necessary trust or track record. I do not think you would take the site down, abuse your power in some other way, or go inactive suddenly, but you do not hold Stewardship here or administratorship elsewhere, and you don't have that long of a track record, so I cannot be sure. Consider this a moral support of sorts; I have no objection to another run in the medium-term future. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *:Like I said, I'd be happy to get a chance, and if you don't think I would abuse my power (which I wouldn't too), then what's the problem? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *::This permission is very powerful, can lock the database and have access to PHP, SSH, Git, and Github and even Apache and the server (MariaDB/MySQL/PostgreSQL/SQLite). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *::System administratorship is a very powerful position. I prefer to err on the side of caution. Can you describe your previous experience with FiveM and Minecraft servers? Do you have PHP experience? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *:::For the networks, I installed and configured web applications and Minecraft plugins [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *::::*Do you have PHP experience?
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| *::::*To make it easier, it is recommended to use MariaDB, MySQL, SQLite, or PostgreSQL server and use Apache. Do you have experience and understanding of that?
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| *::::[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *:::::*I have already used all of the mentioned database systems early, so... yes
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| *:::::[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 05:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{oppose}} Hi, nice that you signed up and want to get more involved, I can only appreciate that. But unfortunately, here and for this reason, I want to cast my dissenting vote. I am very reluctant to assign this role to someone I don't know well. Anyway, are you already a system administrator, steward or admin on a major wiki project somewhere? On a Wikimedia, Miraheze or other large wikifarm. On these wikis, you become one only after a thorough review and vote. To me, that is a hard requirement for a system administrator. SA has the unlimited power to shut down an entire wiki (database lock and unlock) block anyone and deny or grant anyone user rights. Therefore, this right can only be granted to highly trusted users. Of course, this is separate from the technical side, which is also important. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 17:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *:Of course, yes, I agree. I absolutely vote and agree on {{Oppose}} but I gave the very strong oppose, biggest, strongest, ever. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{oppose|Strongly oppose}} It doesn't make much sense to give a user who has been a member for less than 1 month a higher level of authority than even the stewards such as the system administrator. You need to have 3 or more months of activity history. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 18:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *:Nowhere does it say anything about that... So... And is it so difficult to give someone a chance? It's not really motivating [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 18:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *::See what the text LisafBia and the 2 stewards said, plus the vote from me right below. Not satisfying and broken trust. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{oppose|Strongly, very strong, extreme, intense, super, mega, kilo, peta, peta, tera, tera, mega, mega, very strong, strongly, bigger, longer, and absolute oppose that is the biggest, longest, and strongest oppose that I will ever give}} Seriously?!? This user has no long history, new to this wiki, despite knowing PHP, SSH, and Git and needs more experience with Apache and a server (PostgreSQL, MariaDB, MySQL, SQLite). System administrator is a very powerful right, even more than interface administrator and especially intended to be more powerful than regular stewards, including grant or revocate anyone user rights, disable OAuth for a user, locking the database and have access to PHP, site-sensitive files, SSH, and Git as well as the server such as MySQL, MariaDB, PostgreSQL, and SQLite and Apache. They'll have access to DefaultSettings.php, LocalSettings.php, and NoLocalSettings.php. This right is extremely powerful. I hope this will be absolutely rejected. You'll hear no complaints from me. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{oppose|Strong oppose}} per {{tq|Drummingman and Justarandomamerican}}; Justaman10000 joined on test wiki sice 28 May 2024 (7 days) and I don't think they are really eligible for system administrator privileges for at this time and I don't think they are currently fulfill system admin's requirements. Happy testing ~~''<span style="background:#800080;border:1px solid #F62817;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Infinity|<span style="color:#00FF00">ínfínítу</span>]] • [[User talk:Infinity|<span style="color:#FF0000">[@píng mє]</span>]]</span>'' 03:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *:Do I speak Turkish when I say it would be nice to get a Chance? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 14:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *::Hey there, now you aren't being [[w:WP:AGF|nice]].Just to be clear and make you familiar with the community, the steward/system administrator is equivalent to a sysop, crat, or steward on Wikimedia or on big Wiki farms like Miraheze.You can't just go on those wikis and, in 7 days, request advanced rights.You need to build up a proper reputation here. In addition to it being a test wiki, we limit the testing rights to Sysop and Crat Bit.So I think you should try to spend more time here. :) [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 14:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :::{{re|Justman10000}} No! You are didn't talk me in [[Wikipedia:Turkish language|Turkish]] languages but {{tq|you have joined 7 days ago before on Test Wiki, so, I don't think now you're eligible for system administrator privileges because this permission is very high level trusted privileges on in test wiki and I don't seem you're demonstrated with SSL, php and MariaDB, MySQL, SQLite, or PostgreSQL server and use Apache and others, I suggest to you please spent a long time (1 year or 3 years) on test wiki; I think you try to [[Wikipedia:Hat collecting|Hat]] collecting on here, so, I fully '''Strong oppose''' for this permission.}} Happy testing ~~''<span style="background:#800080;border:1px solid #F62817;border-radius :18px;padding:4px">[[User:Infinity|<span style="color:#00FF00">ínfínítу</span>]] • [[User talk:Infinity|<span style="color:#FF0000">[@píng mє]</span>]]</span>'' 15:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *<s>{{Neutral}} Used Linux Debian and may be trusted, but I don't know if completely trusted.[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</s>
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| *:I would be! I have already system-administered around 20 Minecraft and FiveM networks! Sure, this has nothing to do with MediaWiki itself, but it's about the principle! As I said, I would be happy to get a chance [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *::Possibly some enhanced trust would be needed. Try to think when you become a system administrator. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *:::Vote since changed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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| What is actually so damn hard to understand about the sentence, ''It would be really nice to get a chance''? If you're only ever rejected, there comes a day when you don't want to do anything anywhere! Just give it a damn chance and let someone prove themselves... Is that so hard?
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| It is the unlimited power, yes! But that way I could have proved myself directly! It's extremely unmotivating to first have to do what I know how many weeks or even months of preparatory work, only to probably be rejected again! --[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 05:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :Hey there, I understand that it may be frustrating to you that you aren't getting a chance to be a system administrator, but this isn't the case for you alone. @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] had his request for stewardship denied once and withdrawn also.@[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] also had their request denied.I suggest you mingle with the community and try to spend more time here.Then, if you gain a fair position in the community, I will nominate you myself. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 06:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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| Should inactivity for [[Test Wiki:Abuse filter administrators|AFAs]] be measured in regular terms, or should it be measured by the last time an abuse filter was modified by an AFA, or perhaps even the last time a filter was modified to use a restricted action or a restricted filter was modified? I'd like to know consensus on this before I go and modify the [[TW: inactivity policy| inactivity policy]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC) | | Should inactivity for [[Test Wiki:Abuse filter administrators|AFAs]] be measured in regular terms, or should it be measured by the last time an abuse filter was modified by an AFA, or perhaps even the last time a filter was modified to use a restricted action or a restricted filter was modified? I'd like to know consensus on this before I go and modify the [[TW: inactivity policy| inactivity policy]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC) |
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| :::Would be at least 3 months at least I can suggest. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC) | | :::Would be at least 3 months at least I can suggest. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC) |
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| {{Discussion top|This request is {{done|successful}}. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 18:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)}}
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| Hello. I've been a Steward for around a solid year. I've also been involved in the behind the scenes technical stuff such as Phorge/Phabricator and GitHub for a while, writing requests and pull requests. I have basic technical knowledge as described in [[Test Wiki:System administrators]]. I think having an extra system administrator would speed things along on Phabricator, along with ensuring that there's a backup when MacFan4000 is busy. Feel free to ask any questions. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{support}} - You have been a steward with us for almost 1 year. This has given you the confidence to handle sensitive matters. You have also shown yourself to be a good steward. After all, we really need more System Administrators. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{support}} per Drummingman [[User:Gepard|<span style="color:grey;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Gepard</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Gepard|''talk'']]</sub> 16:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{support}} Trusted user. I wish the candidate luck with MediaWiki and other technical tools. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 17:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{support}} with no objections to you becoming a brand new system administrator. As you've been highly trusted for mostly a year, we wish you good luck having another very high-trust role here. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 17:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{support|Strong Support}} no concerns, trusted User with stewards privileges.---''<span style="background:#7B68EE;border:1px solid #FF00FF;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Infinityboy7|<span style="color:#FFD700">Infínítybσy7</span>]] • [[User talk:Infinityboy7|<span style="color:#00FA9A">[@píng mє]</span>]]</span>'' 03:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{support}} - Fine by me! With the please that my PRs are better considered --[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 09:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{support|Very strong support}} No concerns or complaints from this user, trusted user with Steward, bureaucrat, admin, and interface administrator privileges. As you have been a long-term legitimate user with being a Steward for at least an entire year, we wish you very good lock having you here as an extremely strong-trust role here. It's great if you know PHP, SSH, and Git (and to be even more trusted, Apache, Github, Phabricator, Linux Debian, MySQL, MariaDB, PostgreSQL, and/or SQLite), and you are so active here plus a trusted Steward. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 14:48, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{support}} Looks good to me. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 13:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{support}} Trusted user [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 06:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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| Oh, but I'm not allowed to be? Interesting... And if you get it, me too one day, then that would be three (if not more)... [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :I'm sure you can become one someday. Right now, it's your track record here on Test Wiki people are worried about, because you haven't been on here for all that long. All of our Stewards have had months to years of history here before becoming stewards, and there are no current non-founder sysadmins. I'd even encourage you to apply in the medium to long term future. We could use your help, but the community does not think you should be one right now. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::I'm just afraid that too much could exist if I want to nominate myself for the second time! [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 21:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :::I became a steward on my third request. When I put out a call for system administrators, there were no candidates. I doubt there will be too many system administrators by the time you try again. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| Do you know enough about MediaWiki software and SQL? If yes, how will you use this knowledge? Thanks for your help. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 16:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :MediaWiki: Yes, I've been involved in various small projects, and so have enough knowledge to, for example, install extensions, manage them, and change configuration settings.
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| :SQL: I have only a bit of prior knowledge of SQL (again, from the various small projects), but can probably figure out how to, for example, change namespaces DB side as required by [[phab:T71|T71]] or remove protection as required by [[phab:T60|T60]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::That's OK there, Justarandomamerican. But you can learn SQL. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 20:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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| {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} do you also intend to help with creating and modifying user groups? One example would be that admins can modify filters by default, and abuse filter admins (like me) ''and'' stewards can modify filters with restricted actions, as well as the ability to enable these actions. Thus, the AFA user right should only have one right, which is <code>abusefilter-modify-restricted</code>. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 17:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :Yes, I do intend to help out with that, and would be happy to remove redundant rights as required. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| Just out of curiosity and if possible, can you provide the link of the projects you worked on [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 06:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :There's only one that's still running, and that would be [https://meta.makeawiki.org MakeaWiki]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 11:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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| {{ping|MacFan4000}} Close this at your leisure. Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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| Think about writing one! Should they revoke the permissions directly, or just notify? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :I'd say it should send notifications to the community portal at first, and upon demonstrating it works, have it make rights temporary when the user will be considered inactive in 2 weeks. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| When would one be willing to accept me as a system administrator? I would be extremely unhappy to have to work for many months, a year or more! And would I have to become a steward first? Or could I be nominated and elected directly as a system administrator! Actually, the work itself says something about someone! Not the duration of the work [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 18:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :This is probably due to your account age, and please do not take this for granted, but your suitability to those high-trust roles (non-test roles) are what might concern me. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 18:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Why? I mean, rejecting someone just because their account is ''too young''... Actions are what define one, not the duration of one's collaboration [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 18:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :::System administrators can shut down the wiki at any time they please. They can also make decisions such as amending [[TW:PP|the privacy policy]] or blocking entire IP addresses from even being able to access the site. For this reason, the community wants to see quality and quantity of contributions from prospective system administrators. The same goes for prospective members of any non-test role that can make major decisions, such as [[TW:AFA|AFAs]] and [[TW:Stewards|Stewards]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::And how old should an account be? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 18:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :::Anywhere between 8 months to a year at least. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 19:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::How did you come up with exactly 8? Could be only 6 or 5 too [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 22:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :::::So, how about this, I recommend you have between 7 and 12 months of activity at least and know how to use PHP, Git, and SSH, and also recommend getting a Github account and sign in to it. If you don't have a Github account, you can register a Github account. I would also recommend to be active on the Wiki and be an administrator or bureaucrat and suggest for the best experience before system administrator, I would at least recommend requesting Steward permissions and also get a server from Linux Debian, MySQL, MariaDB, PostgreSQL, or SQLite and have an understanding of it. To be a Steward you can have at least 5 or 6 months of activity at least. I suggest you also have an understanding of Apache HTTP Server. Please read and heed any advice you need. Thanks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 14:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::::As I said, I've been working with Linux Debian for over 4 years! So I'm already familiar with everything mentioned! I've also had a GitHub account for years!
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| ::::::And do I have to wait the 7-12 months AFTER my successful election as a steward, or just add the rest from the 4-5 months after the steward election? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 15:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :::::::I'm sorry, you just joined late. In addition, I should say that you are too new there for Steward or System Administrator privileges. However, according to ChatGPT:
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| :::::::"Yes, MediaWiki supports Linux Debian Server. MediaWiki, the software that powers Wikipedia, is designed to run on a variety of operating systems, including Linux. Debian, a popular Linux distribution, is well-suited for running MediaWiki due to its stability, security, and robust package management system."
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| :::::::It is OK to use Linux Debian there on MediaWiki, but learn how to use Git, PHP, and SSH and also be active on this wiki. Please read and heed any advice. Thanks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 20:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::::::I know that MediaWiki also runs on Linux Debian? Huh? You indicated yourself that test wiki runs on a Linux Debian machine? And as I said, I already understand all mentioned [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 06:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :::::::::Well, yep. Kinda so, according to ChatGPT. Just wait a few months and be active enough to become system administrator. You know? I'm not a system administrator either! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 20:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :::::::::But I am sorry, Justman10000, this is a high trust role. Try again next time... [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 20:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::I don't want to say that, but somehow... you're playing yourself up [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 08:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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| {{outdent|::::::::::}} It's real, not fake. And for true, only 1 is currently system administrator. However, this makes no flexibility for a regular steward to be flexible with a user that jumped from being a non-steward to a system administrator. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 12:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :I'd like to clarify that this is a test wiki, which means that anyone can experiment with MediaWiki functionality here. Within this space, users can request various permissions except for sys admin and steward, specifically for testing purposes. Sys admin and steward rights are crucial for the smooth operation of this wiki and are not intended for testing purposes. Steward rights are granted to users who invest significant time here, and the community trusts their judgment for sensitive actions. Similarly, the system admin right is not given out for testing; it's essential for maintaining the wiki's smooth functioning. At the moment, we have one sys admin diligently fulfilling their duties. Should the need arise, the community or founder can nominate trusted and technically proficient users to take up the sys admin role. I hope this clarifies things. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 13:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Yes, this is correct, as gaining sysop and bureaucrat rights and being active for the wiki is the minimum for Steward or System Administrator rights, with additional System Administrators requiring know how to use PHP, Git, SSH, recommended MySQL, MariaDB, Linux Debian, SQLite, PostgreSQL, Apache, Github, and Phabricator and gaining Steward rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 13:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Nothing I didn't already know [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 14:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :What does that have to do with my comment? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 14:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Involving the user rights for you. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 14:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :::{{Ping|Justman10000}} I would like you to respond and reply here. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 15:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::I still have no idea what you're talking about [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ==Nominating Drummingman for system adminship==
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| {{discussion top|{{Not done}} due to candidate non-acceptance. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)}}
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| I would like to nominate Drummingman because he's a trusted user with no concerns and he's here being a Steward for a little more than a year and active on this wiki. So what do you think of my nominal? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 20:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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| :Dear @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] thanks for your nomination, I can certainly appreciate it. But I have absolutely no ambition to become a System administrator. Therefore, I do not accept the nomination. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{Support}} Trusted user. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 20:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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| ===Comments=== | | :When I installed the extension, I announced it on Discord, but never made an announcement here. *facepalm* [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::<nowiki>*sigh* *ahem*</nowiki> I agree on this feature. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 21:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::You’re fine, no problem! [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | :It's also included in the newsletter :) [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::Cool, right? {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC) |
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| | We should welcome a newly-registered user when they make their first edit. Not before, but after. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 01:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC) |
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| | {{Discussion_top|Due to a lack of work and trust in the community, no, or at least only extremely few, non-test edits on my part are to be expected [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)}} |
| | Since there is nothing more for me to do here, I would like to be a {{MediaWiki:group-interface-admin-member}}... I would mainly take care of the gadgets, adding or removing scripts (if desired) there and translating them... Since I seem to have plenty of time until candidate as steward/system administrator, I would at least to do this! |
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| In the next few years, I will post a bulk inserting of wiki changes here on the community portal. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 00:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
| | As I said, without this I would have nothing more to do here! And we don't want me to just sit here and wait [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 08:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC) |
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| ==Help to make an icon== | | :Not a steward but this attitude isn’t encouraging to me. I don’t have confidence that you will be a suitable IA, mainly due to [[WP:CIR]]. Do you have any previous work in this area? [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 02:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::As I said, I would mainly manage the gadgets... [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 08:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::IA is a sensitive right, in the hands of people who don't know what they are doing, it can even be dangerous. Can you convince me that you know what you are doing and have experience with the interface? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 09:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::Well, I've already looked into the configuration syntax of the gadget extension! If necessary, I'll just look in the MediaWiki documentation [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 09:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::@[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] There? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 06:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::What coding languages do you know? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 06:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::It's still all about the gadgets, so I wouldn't need any coding experience! I would mainly import scripts from other wikis, tidy up the gadgets and translate them [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 06:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::::Interface Administrator requires coding knowledge. So, for me, this is an {{oppose}}. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 07:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::::I said I didn't need it! I would only manage gadgets! And if one were finally able to give me a chance, I could prove it too... [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 07:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::::::So how you plan to manage gadgets without coding experience? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 11:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::::::I don't get what one is getting at? Where do I need coding experience for this: |
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| | ::::::::::<code>Selective Rollback[ResourceLoader|rights=rollback]|Selective Rollback.js</code> [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 12:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::::::::@[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] That's just MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition and you said "{{tq| mainly import scripts from other wikis,}}", and how do you plan to make scripts compatible to our wiki. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 13:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::::::::No need to! Practically every script that I use here in my common.js is also compatible with this wiki! I just don't import the rest! I would possibly find more! I would test each script first, however [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 14:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::::::::::Now having experience as an Iinterface admin I don’t trust him too much.{{ping|Justman1000}} Now having experience as an Interface admin I don’t trust you too much. And in addition if you do not know any coding language this will be mission hard.Could you give me a mini JS script to say hello?(you should at least know this to be interface admin)[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 17:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | :Apologies, but this {{not done|will not be done}} for the time being, due to Drummimgman's and the various IAs' discomfort. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::Do I actually speak Turkish? Or against a wall? Without these permissions I have nothing more to do here! Is that so difficult to understand? I'm getting really fed up! No one is able to give me a chance! [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 19:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::Besides, you said I should convince YOU? So what does that have to do with the other IAs? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 23:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::As a Steward, I am a community representative. I cannot ignore IA or any community thoughts, especially on a topic posted here. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::I see... But as already mentioned, without the said permissions... [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 00:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::Would it be possible to assign these at least temporarily? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 00:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::I will consider a 3 day trial, so long as you agree stick to importing and making gadgets. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::[[File:Yes check.svg|18px]] [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 01:07, 13 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] There? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 14:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::::Upon further inspection, it appears that you do not have a sufficient grasp on the purpose of the IA right. At Test Wiki, when gadgets are imported, a human interface administrator has to both import them and use their coding knowledge to tailor them to our wiki, as the majority of gadgets are designed for massive wiki (farms). I am also uncomfortable with your seemingly uncivil attitude. As such, {{not done|this is not done, and likely will not be done for the foreseeable future.}} [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::::We still have 6-8 months until I can candidate for stewardship! I have explained many times that without these permissions I would have nothing to do here, and scripts that I would import would also work here! But I seem to be talking to a wall! If one is permanently not trusted by anyone, one should not be wondering if this person shows an ''uncivil attitude''! |
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| | ::::::::And believe me, I'm still holding myself back significantly [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC) |
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| | Hi. I've been doing some translations lately and was wondering which variant of Chinese to translate to. Currently most pages are translated into regional dialects, such as zh-cn and zh-tw. What I think would be better is to translate only into zh-hans (simplified Chinese) and zh-hant (traditional Chinese) in order to reduce redundancy, as all Chinese dialects use one of the two character systems. Any thoughts? <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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| :We could make it together. So what do we think? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 15:41, 20 June 2024 (UTC) | | :Well I think you should translate into the more popular dialect [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 12:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
| :[https://www.gimp.org/ GIMP] or [https://inkscape.org/ Inkspace] can be very useful for this kind of work. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 15:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC) | | :Honestly, I think that we should only do the two main variants of Chinese (Traditional and Simplified). Regional dialects complicate things.. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
| ::I have Canva, so I will make the logo shortly. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 06:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC) | | ::I lightly and honestly will {{Oppose|oppose}} reducing the variants of Chinese. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 21:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::For what reason? Regional dialects can be broken down into the two main dialects of Chinese. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::For some reason, variants of Chinese may be spoken may be many people, such as some people may speak a partial of Traditional and Simplified Chinese, they are multiple dialects of Chinese, 3 dialects of Chinese may be said by a person while others speak mainly only 1 dialect. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 11:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC) |