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*::::Simpler, maybe. But is it procedurally ''just'' and ''fair''? No. So far, they haven't been able to go a month recently without contravening user accounts policy. Let's see if they can even go three months, okay? If not, you have my promise Stewards will keep blocking any sockpuppets as crosswiki or long-term abuse. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 12:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | *::::Simpler, maybe. But is it procedurally ''just'' and ''fair''? No. So far, they haven't been able to go a month recently without contravening user accounts policy. Let's see if they can even go three months, okay? If not, you have my promise Stewards will keep blocking any sockpuppets as crosswiki or long-term abuse. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 12:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
*:::::They've been given countless chances and appeals that were just and fair. Enough is enough. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 13:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | *:::::They've been given countless chances and appeals that were just and fair. Enough is enough. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 13:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
*::::::There is no such thing as a 'permanent ban or block', on ''any'' mainstream, reputable wiki. I think a core part of the problem, aside from blocks by test bureaucrats early on that should've been left to Stewards, is that we haven't allowed a sufficient length of time to pass before assessing Piccadilly's capacity to heed instruction from Stewards, together with the community's advice. If you (or Sav) would like to have a constructive discussion on that timeframe is, I think ''that'' would be a productive discussion to have and I'm happy to have it. I think it's obviously longer than a month. Should it be three months, six months, or a year? Keep in mind, they haven't been able to go a month in recent months. And, what is your reason for choosing that timeframe? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 13:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
*:::{{tq|We don't want to keep unblocking and reblocking Piccadilly}} Unfortunately, I believe the ship of expressing a desire not to has sailed. That is what has happened. If the majority of [[Test Wiki:Stewards|us]] can promise that community consensus will be required for an unblock, that's great, and is an alternative way of resolving this discussion's aim. I'd be fine with that resolution. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | *:::{{tq|We don't want to keep unblocking and reblocking Piccadilly}} Unfortunately, I believe the ship of expressing a desire not to has sailed. That is what has happened. If the majority of [[Test Wiki:Stewards|us]] can promise that community consensus will be required for an unblock, that's great, and is an alternative way of resolving this discussion's aim. I'd be fine with that resolution. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
*::::I'm curious for your thoughts on simply not allow Piccadilly to ever appeal again, given you did make [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Piccadilly&diff=prev&oldid=37774 this comment]. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 13:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | *::::I'm curious for your thoughts on simply not allow Piccadilly to ever appeal again, given you did make [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Piccadilly&diff=prev&oldid=37774 this comment]. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 13:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | ||