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*Thirdly, the community elects Stewards to make these decisions for them. If the community were to see fit to micro-manage every administrative decision, then what is the ''point'' of Stewards? | *Thirdly, the community elects Stewards to make these decisions for them. If the community were to see fit to micro-manage every administrative decision, then what is the ''point'' of Stewards? | ||
*That being said, that's ''not'' to say currently active members of the community cannot ''advise'' Stewards on the type of editing restrictions, blocks (partial or sitewide), or other types of restrictive measures and their ''duration'', conditions for restriction removal, etc., etc., but the key is that it is ''advice''. It is not binding as, ultimately, it is up to Stewards. With respect to Piccadilly, I don't believe it would be appropriate for a single Steward to unblock them unilaterally, and so I would personally commit to ensuring '''at least''' two Stewards agree, unconditionally, on any terms for unblocking, timing of unblocking, and any other preventative measures to put in place. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | *That being said, that's ''not'' to say currently active members of the community cannot ''advise'' Stewards on the type of editing restrictions, blocks (partial or sitewide), or other types of restrictive measures and their ''duration'', conditions for restriction removal, etc., etc., but the key is that it is ''advice''. It is not binding as, ultimately, it is up to Stewards. With respect to Piccadilly, I don't believe it would be appropriate for a single Steward to unblock them unilaterally, and so I would personally commit to ensuring '''at least''' two Stewards agree, unconditionally, on any terms for unblocking, timing of unblocking, and any other preventative measures to put in place. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
*:I believe what Sav intends here is to actually [[WP:WP:CIRRESP|resolve]] the high level of controversy and back and forth that has gone down because of this one user. If we allow her to be [[WP:WP:ROPE|ROPE]] unblocked repeatedly, as we have done in the past, and may do in the future, the disruption may continue. There is no concrete evidence of ''significant change'', rather, we [[WP:WP:AGF|assume]] [[WP:WP:NOTTHERAPY|wrongly]] that any marginal change is enough to unblock. Clearly, [[WP:WP:PREVENTATIVE|to prevent]] further disruption, the community (and I see little issue with it being transient, so long as users are willing to review the case) needs to hear further appeals (which is what a ban would do in this instance). I am willing to help under reasonable conditions, but my | *:I believe what Sav intends here is to actually [[WP:WP:CIRRESP|resolve]] the high level of controversy and back and forth that has gone down because of this one user. If we allow her to be [[WP:WP:ROPE|ROPE]] unblocked repeatedly, as we have done in the past, and may do in the future, the disruption may continue. There is no concrete evidence of ''significant change'', rather, we [[WP:WP:AGF|assume]] [[WP:WP:NOTTHERAPY|wrongly]] that any marginal change is enough to unblock. Clearly, [[WP:WP:PREVENTATIVE|to prevent]] further disruption, the community (and I see little issue with it being transient, so long as users are willing to review the case) needs to hear further appeals (which is what a ban would do in this instance). I am willing to help under reasonable conditions, but my main instinct is to prevent disruption at this time. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
*::I could not have said this better myself, Justarandomamerican. The ongoing back and forth with this user proves a conflict in opinions regarding the appropriate course of action. | *::I could not have said this better myself, Justarandomamerican. The ongoing back and forth with this user proves a conflict in opinions regarding the appropriate course of action. | ||
*::PSA for {{Ping|Dmehus}}, this request was discussed between myself and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] on [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly's]] [[User_talk:Piccadilly#About_My_Current_Block|talk page]]. [[User:X|X]] was indirectly involved with this request. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | *::PSA for {{Ping|Dmehus}}, this request was discussed between myself and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] on [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly's]] [[User_talk:Piccadilly#About_My_Current_Block|talk page]]. [[User:X|X]] was indirectly involved with this request. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC) | ||