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==[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s ban== | ==[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s ban== | ||
For context, this user was banned by the community for cross-wiki abuse on a wiki whose owner has apparently engaged in a deception campaign against their own volunteers: "The ban is not required as firstly, I don't think that actions on other wikis require blocks/bans everywhere, and secondly, the owner of said wiki was found to be abusing on their wiki and deceiving their own stewards. Hence why I believe my ban should be lifted." [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:18, 18 February 2024 (UTC) | For context, this user was banned by the community for cross-wiki abuse on a wiki whose owner has apparently engaged in a deception campaign against their own volunteers: "The ban is not required as firstly, I don't think that actions on other wikis require blocks/bans everywhere, and secondly, the owner of said wiki was found to be abusing on their wiki and deceiving their own stewards. Hence why I believe my ban should be lifted." [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:18, 18 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
===Discussion=== | ===Discussion=== | ||
*{{support}} unban: It's no longer even possible to prove he committed the alleged actions, and even if he did, it's not worthy of a community ban or block because no off-wiki harassment has occurred. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:21, 18 February 2024 (UTC) | *{{support}} unban: It's no longer even possible to prove he committed the alleged actions, and even if he did, it's not worthy of a community ban or block because no off-wiki harassment has occurred. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:21, 18 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
*{{support}} as well. I agree that one's actions on one wiki shouldn't lead to sanctions everywhere. Plus, the other wiki involved is no longer functional, and I think he should be given another chance. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 20:31, 18 February 2024 (UTC) | *{{support}} as well. I agree that one's actions on one wiki shouldn't lead to sanctions everywhere. Plus, the other wiki involved is no longer functional, and I think he should be given another chance. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 20:31, 18 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
::Perhaps if Zippybonzo is unblocked, it might help to havr an interaction ban between him and Cocopuff? [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 15:17, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ::Perhaps if Zippybonzo is unblocked, it might help to havr an interaction ban between him and Cocopuff? [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 15:17, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
*{{support}} per both above. [[User:Saint|Saint]] ([[User talk:Saint|talk]]) 20:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC) | *{{support}} per both statements above. [[User:Saint|Saint]] ([[User talk:Saint|talk]]) 20:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
*<s>{{Oppose| | *<s>{{Oppose|Strongest oppose}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 00:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)</s><small> Struck by [[User:X|X]] as user has voted twice. </small> | ||
*{{support}} --[[User:PB2008|PB2008]] ([[User talk:PB2008|talk]]) 00:33, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
*{{support}}--[[User:PB2008|PB2008]] ([[User talk:PB2008|talk]]) 00:33, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | *{{oppose|Strongest oppose}} there is soo many reasons for me to go on and on about zippy, however i will try to stay as breif as i can, while you may think his actions should Not carry over i believe it should in the past he has told users to go raid a wiki [https://ibb.co/mNqtfw1 link here], and has also raided a wiki while being a system admin in the past with inappropriate images Ruining the wiki [https://ibb.co/CPtKnPb link here] and [https://ibb.co/gzxgyFk link 2] with this all being said zippy has recently abused multiple accounts on the wiki farm filmpedia.us and his actions are being ignored while everyone believes im responsible for sockpuppeting, (False) you are claiming zippy is all innocent and im not, i must also mention that user agent isnt always accurate and therefore the proof against me is hereby invalid please see [https://www.google.com/search?q=is+user+agent+accurate&sca_esv=1ba2041d0738a613&sxsrf=ACQVn09Bxvas8BcXZbmYkmUIC0u5UjTKZw%3A1708353347201&source=hp&ei=Q2fTZaWxCfeKur8PnISDiAY&iflsig=ANes7DEAAAAAZdN1U31nMNeJldf3BuYqI_iLXcDlmAa-&oq=is+user+agent&gs_lp=Egdnd3 this link for more information] i will also mention zippy in the past has also said he was gonna invoice me for the work he has done after no longer being a system admin which was volunteer work he has also, threaten to take me to court in dms. zippybonzo has also manipulated globe AKA X many times recently zippy requested a link to the filmpedia discord server which being banned and has sent multiple accounts into the server spamming it. he has also posted nonsense into the server, and the server link was once again provided by globe by his request WHile of course user agent might not be valid proof i still have a reason to beleve zippy is behind the multiple accounts used to sock the wiki including "Coconutworst owner" and a few others i wont mention at this time, with all this being said zippy is the only user with a negative opinion towards me as a owner of filmpedia.us and therefore is a valid reason for me to believe he is behind the sockpuppeting of filmpedia.us and his other actions. i wouldn't recommend unblocking his account at all. nor would i recommenced or trust him for any user rights --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 14:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
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*{{oppose}} Per Cocopuff's comments. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:01, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | *{{oppose}} Per Cocopuff's comments. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:01, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
::Hi Sav. As a former steward and checker on Filmpedia, I can confirm that Cocopuff is behind all of the socking on his own wiki. He has a history of doing so on Miraheze as well. It is true, though, that Zippy did troll the wiki, but that was months ago and only because he wanted to give cocopuff a "taste of his own medicine." I say this not to justify Zippy's actions, but to provide some context to them. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 15:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ::Hi Sav. As a former steward and checker on Filmpedia, I can confirm that Cocopuff is behind all of the socking on his own wiki. He has a history of doing so on Miraheze as well. It is true, though, that Zippy did troll the wiki, but that was months ago and only because he wanted to give cocopuff a "taste of his own medicine." I say this not to justify Zippy's actions, but to provide some context to them. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 15:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::Once again user agent is always accurate and you can't just believe what someonr says without proof @[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 15:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | :::Once again user agent is always accurate and you can't just believe what someonr says without proof @[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 15:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
::::Fyi I didn't troll my own wiki if you are gonna say zippys proof isnt valid than nor is mine also tast of my own medicine isn't a valid reason for what he did | ::::Fyi I didn't troll my own wiki if you are gonna say zippys proof isnt valid than nor is mine also tast of my own medicine isn't a valid reason for what he did [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 15:39, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::::Nor is it an excuse you just believe whatever someone tells you without valid proof | :::::Nor is it an excuse you just believe whatever someone tells you without valid proof [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 15:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
::::::I could show proof, but that would involve leaking both of your UAs & IP addresses, which I will not do. I would disagree that it "isn't a valid reason" because you literally did the same thing to your own wiki. I also have screenshots of you calling Zippy racial slurs. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 15:42, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ::::::I could show proof, but that would involve leaking both of your UAs & IP addresses, which I will not do. I would disagree that it "isn't a valid reason" because you literally did the same thing to your own wiki. I also have screenshots of you calling Zippy racial slurs. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 15:42, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::::::I don't really care again user agent Isnt valid proof you are also banned from filmpedis netwotk for what you did in the server, I'm not commenting | :::::::I don't really care again user agent Isnt valid proof you are also banned from filmpedis netwotk for what you did in the server, I'm not commenting anymore on this my vote stays the same youve done what zippy told you what to do multiple times this isn't the first time [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 15:51, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::I do understand your points and would like to discuss this further via a private conversation on Discord. Could you please send my account, brelade, a direct message. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | :::I do understand your points and would like to discuss this further via a private conversation on Discord. Could you please send my account, brelade, a direct message. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
::::@[[User:Sav|Sav]] user agent isn't valid see the link I posted from Google | ::::@[[User:Sav|Sav]] user agent isn't valid see the link I posted from Google [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 15:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::::"I'm not commenting anymore" [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 15:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | :::::"I'm not commenting anymore" [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 15:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
::::::You know you are gonna be blacklisted if you share the ips @[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 15:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ::::::You know you are gonna be blacklisted if you share the ips @[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 15:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::::::Nervous your socking will be discovered? Also, I just said above "I could show proof, but that would involve leaking both of your UAs & IP addresses, which I will not do. " [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 15:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | :::::::Nervous your socking will be discovered? Also, I just said above "I could show proof, but that would involve leaking both of your UAs & IP addresses, which I will not do. " [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 15:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::::::I'm never giving you perms again @[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 15:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ::::::::I'm never giving you perms again @[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 15:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||
::::::::If u do it | :::::::::If u do it [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 15:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC) | ||