User talk:BlackWidowMovie0: Difference between revisions

:::::: With things such as [[Special:Diff/13753|being told your sysop rights were being removed for a long period of time such as several months]], then subsequently [[Special:Diff/13862|requesting sysop permissions less than a week later]]. You also [[Special:Diff/13868|edited another users comment]], then when it was undone proceeded to [[Special:Diff/13924|restore it]] citing [[Special:Contributions/Dmehus|a user who is not registered here]], and [[Special:Diff/13939|marking a test page as "spam" for containing non-English text]]. All of this is editing disruptively. Even while done with good intentions (what separates disruptive editing from vandalism), it is still disruptive editing. You also claim that disruptive editing cannot exist because this is a test wiki, which is both entirely untrue, and in addition these things were not testing. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 20:14, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

:::::::↑This<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>I understand you are generally trying to be helpful. However, as we've discussed previously, because you do not yet possess a solid understanding of the local community expectations and behavioral norms, your actions end up disrupting the normal workflow of the wiki and creating additional work for others.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>Be mindful that norms and expectations vary between online communities. Hence the fact that it is acceptable on certain miraheze wikis, not to mention a large number of other places, to casually edit someone else's comment does not make it so here (removal of grossly insulting material or other blockworthy posts is however acceptable). Likewise while on the mediawiki wiki the placement of [[:mw:Template:Delete]] is an important part of the process required to initiate a community discussion over the appropriateness of a page that is not the case here. Since we lack a formal bureaucracy we would just discuss potentially controversial deletions on the page's talk, or in some cases the community portal.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>While we are on that topic, the page was clearly not spam; nor was it inappropriate since this is a multi-lingual wiki. The deleted user subpages that you reference were inappropriate neither for being spam, nor for being in Vietnamese, but rather because the user was [[wiki:WikiSquatting|WikiSquatting]]. Further deleted pages take up exactly the same amount of space as live pages (total used memory is actually larger following a deletion due to the addition of the deletion log entry), so the pages were deleted not for taking up space, but rather because WikiSquatting is undesirable for other reasons (which really should be self-evident). Anyway, I strongly encourage you to review [[meatball:WikiSpam|WikiSpam]] since you are going to struggle with being a member of any online community if you are unable to properly identify it (see also [[meatball:WhatIsSpam|WhatIsSpam]]).<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>Since I'm dispensing advice, temporary blocks may serve multiple purposes; from your perspective the most salient one is that of a test of sorts. If a blocked user accepts the block with good grace and abides by it, that demonstrates some measure of deference to community expectations which can help to rebuild trust. OTOH if a blocked user responds with personal attacks or evades the block that demonstrates the user is either unable or unwilling to comply with the behavioral expectations of the community and signals to everyone that [[meatball:CommunityExile|CommunityExile]] is the most appropriate way forward.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>I think I've said this before more or less but I'll reiterate it. Slow down, read more, act a little less, "Lurk moar" etc. Watch what other community members do and how they act; most online community expectations & norms are unwritten. If you see a pattern you don't understand even after observing for a significant period of time then it's OK to ask to learn more. Indeed, in general when your uncertain it can help to ask before acting (within reason). Do this and in time your error rate will drop.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>If you don't like the local norms you can always exercise your [[meatball:RightToLeave|RightToLeave]], and no one will stop you. Indeed you have set up your own wikis where as founder you will have considerable influence in establishing the community expectations and behavioral norms (but preferably not complete total and final say, see [[meatball:GodKing|GodKing]] for the problems with that [[wiki:AntiPattern|AntiPattern]]). Indeed if your preferred community style is that of an image messageboard you can probably make that happen though I'm dubious of how successful a content wiki with such a culture would be.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>If you decide to stick around the best way to rebuild trust going forward is to confine your edits solely to testing for a while, and leave maintenance and other internal work to others. If you demonstrate a consistent pattern of testing without any issues then in time the community will regain the confidence needed to trust you with additional tools. You can test miraheze scripts here, you can learn how to build mediawiki templates and modules, you can even experiment with categorization schemes all without any tools, and you will need to learn all those things and more if you are going to manage a wiki running on the mediawiki software.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>I know This is long, but I hope I've given you some helpful advice, thanks for reading. Best, [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 23:46, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

:Pinging {{ping|Justarandomamerican|Cocopuff2018}} as they are relevant here. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 22:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

:: {{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} Put simply, you ''were'' given multiple chances. You certainly had multiple chances to stop editing disruptively and did not take them, exhausting multiple warnings and even reinstating undone disruptive edits. Any new user would have been blocked for that as well. In addition, your sockpuppet accounts such as [[User_talk:Quarter4VCS]] also received such warnings even when others were not aware it was you (although it was identified as a sockpuppet of you before enough had been exhausted to warrant a block). You have been given what is frankly far too many chances, and used up all of them. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Cocopuff2018}} I will note that you hadn't entered this wiki when I joined, so I don't see a need for you to comment on anything before the point of time in which you joined this community. You don't know the history, so you cannot contribute constructively to this conversation as of this moment. I am not going to remove your comment, even though I am well within my own rights, per [[w:WP:TALK|talk page guidelines]], as I believe you may be able to comment constructively in the future. For now, though, please refrain from messaging here, as this is outside your area of knowledge. Best, - [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 23:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

{{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} but you were given multiple Chances and have done nothing to improve except Disruptive edit, And we have proof of your long term disruptive edit's also please be aware Removing Comments is unacceptable and this conversation is not debatable as i mentioned above you can edit when your block expires..  Also I am allowed to be in this Conversation As I am an admin --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 00:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Naleksuh|Cocopuff2018}} How would you know I'm using a proxy, Cocopuff? Re to Naleksuh: I'm not being uncivil at all, I'm simply pointing out facts, no matter how harsh they may be. I'm sure Fast and Justarandomamerican would agree. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 01:28, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

::::: So are you admitting to using a proxy, then? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC)