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{{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} just a Little bit of advice I wanted to give to you, a good way to start earning trust is by making constructive edit's and also engaging more within communities I think Perhaps if you Interact more with our community and other communities you can perhaps fit in better, I know you badly want admin but i just wanted you to know that editing is not Mainly about wanting rights, Don't forget Every edit is helping build a strong and Amazing community, we want to also start from easy steps to Help learn along the way and i think perhaps if you Read more from mediawiki website you can perhaps learn more about be able to Lead yourself along the way without having Multiple corrections from Admin/Crate's and Stewards. i did also want to point out that in the future it's perhaps good to ask a admin/or crate before preforming certain actions like deleting/blocking/ or etc. as of course some edit's are not always helpful within the community, i do believe in the future you can be able to lead yourself and be able to do things without being corrected for Things but of course it's ok to make mistakes, it's never too late to change. --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 16:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC) | {{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} just a Little bit of advice I wanted to give to you, a good way to start earning trust is by making constructive edit's and also engaging more within communities I think Perhaps if you Interact more with our community and other communities you can perhaps fit in better, I know you badly want admin but i just wanted you to know that editing is not Mainly about wanting rights, Don't forget Every edit is helping build a strong and Amazing community, we want to also start from easy steps to Help learn along the way and i think perhaps if you Read more from mediawiki website you can perhaps learn more about be able to Lead yourself along the way without having Multiple corrections from Admin/Crate's and Stewards. i did also want to point out that in the future it's perhaps good to ask a admin/or crate before preforming certain actions like deleting/blocking/ or etc. as of course some edit's are not always helpful within the community, i do believe in the future you can be able to lead yourself and be able to do things without being corrected for Things but of course it's ok to make mistakes, it's never too late to change. --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 16:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC) | ||
{{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} Please Refrain from Removing/and or Reversing That Edit by Naleksuh, he reverted it because you were Removing Other User's reply also please do not delete other user's comments or edit them without that users permission | {{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} Please Refrain from Removing/and or Reversing That Edit by Naleksuh, he reverted it because you were Removing Other User's reply also please do not delete other user's comments or edit them without that users permission [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 03:26, 23 December 2020 (UTC) | ||
:{{ping|Naleksuh}} Requesting unblock, as I wasn't aware that was a testing page for Indonesian speaking people, and thought it was taking up space, as myself and {{ping|Fast}} warned to another user before. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 01:44, 24 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
::{{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} Unblock declined. You most certainly were aware, the page said it. Also, this does not address the reason for your block nor convince me that your contributions will not be disruptive. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:52, 24 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
::: Regardless of whether or not you were aware, it was still the case and does not change the facts involving disruptive editing. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 04:49, 24 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
::::{{ping|Naleksuh|Justarandomamerican}} This is a '''test''' wiki, therefore eliminating "disruptive editing", as we're all just testing out stuff. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 17:46, 24 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) | {{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} it is a test wiki But at the moment we cannot trust you with syosp, I would suggest waiting a few months and making edits in the meantime, also it seems like your hat collecting Due to you not making any edits and instantly waning to request Syosp, Without making edits [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 17:49, 24 December 2020 (UTC) | ||
:::::: With things such as [[Special:Diff/13753|being told your sysop rights were being removed for a long period of time such as several months]], then subsequently [[Special:Diff/13862|requesting sysop permissions less than a week later]]. You also [[Special:Diff/13868|edited another users comment]], then when it was undone proceeded to [[Special:Diff/13924|restore it]] citing [[Special:Contributions/Dmehus|a user who is not registered here]], and [[Special:Diff/13939|marking a test page as "spam" for containing non-English text]]. All of this is editing disruptively. Even while done with good intentions (what separates disruptive editing from vandalism), it is still disruptive editing. You also claim that disruptive editing cannot exist because this is a test wiki, which is both entirely untrue, and in addition these things were not testing. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 20:14, 24 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
:::::::↑This<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>I understand you are generally trying to be helpful. However, as we've discussed previously, because you do not yet possess a solid understanding of the local community expectations and behavioral norms, your actions end up disrupting the normal workflow of the wiki and creating additional work for others.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>Be mindful that norms and expectations vary between online communities. Hence the fact that it is acceptable on certain miraheze wikis, not to mention a large number of other places, to casually edit someone else's comment does not make it so here (removal of grossly insulting material or other blockworthy posts is however acceptable). Likewise while on the mediawiki wiki the placement of [[:mw:Template:Delete]] is an important part of the process required to initiate a community discussion over the appropriateness of a page that is not the case here. Since we lack a formal bureaucracy we would just discuss potentially controversial deletions on the page's talk, or in some cases the community portal.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>While we are on that topic, the page was clearly not spam; nor was it inappropriate since this is a multi-lingual wiki. The deleted user subpages that you reference were inappropriate neither for being spam, nor for being in Vietnamese, but rather because the user was [[wiki:WikiSquatting|WikiSquatting]]. Further deleted pages take up exactly the same amount of space as live pages (total used memory is actually larger following a deletion due to the addition of the deletion log entry), so the pages were deleted not for taking up space, but rather because WikiSquatting is undesirable for other reasons (which really should be self-evident). Anyway, I strongly encourage you to review [[meatball:WikiSpam|WikiSpam]] since you are going to struggle with being a member of any online community if you are unable to properly identify it (see also [[meatball:WhatIsSpam|WhatIsSpam]]).<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>Since I'm dispensing advice, temporary blocks may serve multiple purposes; from your perspective the most salient one is that of a test of sorts. If a blocked user accepts the block with good grace and abides by it, that demonstrates some measure of deference to community expectations which can help to rebuild trust. OTOH if a blocked user responds with personal attacks or evades the block that demonstrates the user is either unable or unwilling to comply with the behavioral expectations of the community and signals to everyone that [[meatball:CommunityExile|CommunityExile]] is the most appropriate way forward.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>I think I've said this before more or less but I'll reiterate it. Slow down, read more, act a little less, "Lurk moar" etc. Watch what other community members do and how they act; most online community expectations & norms are unwritten. If you see a pattern you don't understand even after observing for a significant period of time then it's OK to ask to learn more. Indeed, in general when your uncertain it can help to ask before acting (within reason). Do this and in time your error rate will drop.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>If you don't like the local norms you can always exercise your [[meatball:RightToLeave|RightToLeave]], and no one will stop you. Indeed you have set up your own wikis where as founder you will have considerable influence in establishing the community expectations and behavioral norms (but preferably not complete total and final say, see [[meatball:GodKing|GodKing]] for the problems with that [[wiki:AntiPattern|AntiPattern]]). Indeed if your preferred community style is that of an image messageboard you can probably make that happen though I'm dubious of how successful a content wiki with such a culture would be.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>If you decide to stick around the best way to rebuild trust going forward is to confine your edits solely to testing for a while, and leave maintenance and other internal work to others. If you demonstrate a consistent pattern of testing without any issues then in time the community will regain the confidence needed to trust you with additional tools. You can test miraheze scripts here, you can learn how to build mediawiki templates and modules, you can even experiment with categorization schemes all without any tools, and you will need to learn all those things and more if you are going to manage a wiki running on the mediawiki software.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>I know This is long, but I hope I've given you some helpful advice, thanks for reading. Best, [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 23:46, 27 December 2020 (UTC) | |||
:{{ping|Fast|Naleksuh}} Fine. My other point is this. When I entered this wiki, Naleksuh immediately imposed a one-strike policy on me, because of ''disruptive editing outside of this wiki''. This is unacceptable. If I do something while here, fine, but if I have made mistakes somewhere completely unrelated to '''''this''''' wiki, then there is no reason why I shouldn't be given the chances that everyone else is. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 21:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:Pinging {{ping|Justarandomamerican|Cocopuff2018}} as they are relevant here. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 22:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:Pinging {{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} there is a reason For your 1 Strike, Due to multiple Disruptive editing and Of Course other blocks Elsewhere, of course we can Enforce a One strike, and i do have to say you do have a history of Disruptive editing, and Blocks, but due to your behavior elsewhere I do believe you came here to basically avoid all the trouble you have cause elsewhere, but you did come here With disruptive editing and Using Sockpuppetry And in that case there is honestly No need to give you Many chances when of course you are going to do the same behavior here, As for the Giving multiple chances thing you have been given multiple warnings and chances we have warned you multiple times about your editing, and Editing other user's messages and that is unacceptable to edit other user's message's and make Disruptive edits, Honestly after your block expires you will be given the opportunity to be apart of the community Again and Make Constructive edits, 2 weeks is not long to wait at all you --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 23:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:: {{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} Put simply, you ''were'' given multiple chances. You certainly had multiple chances to stop editing disruptively and did not take them, exhausting multiple warnings and even reinstating undone disruptive edits. Any new user would have been blocked for that as well. In addition, your sockpuppet accounts such as [[User_talk:Quarter4VCS]] also received such warnings even when others were not aware it was you (although it was identified as a sockpuppet of you before enough had been exhausted to warrant a block). You have been given what is frankly far too many chances, and used up all of them. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:{{ping|Cocopuff2018}} I will note that you hadn't entered this wiki when I joined, so I don't see a need for you to comment on anything before the point of time in which you joined this community. You don't know the history, so you cannot contribute constructively to this conversation as of this moment. I am not going to remove your comment, even though I am well within my own rights, per [[w:WP:TALK|talk page guidelines]], as I believe you may be able to comment constructively in the future. For now, though, please refrain from messaging here, as this is outside your area of knowledge. Best, - [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 23:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::{{ping|Naleksuh}} I wasn't given multiple chances. Originally, in my RfA, before I had made ''any'' edits, you said I should be here under a one-strike policy. That isn't ''"multiple chances"''. Maybe in your retelling, you gave me 100 chances, but in real life, you didn't even give me one here before suggesting a one-strike policy. See [[Test Wiki:Request permissions#BlackWidowMovie0 2|here]] for proof. {{ping|MacFan4000|Void}} I would request Steward input in this conversation. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 00:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} but you were given multiple Chances and have done nothing to improve except Disruptive edit, And we have proof of your long term disruptive edit's also please be aware Removing Comments is unacceptable and this conversation is not debatable as i mentioned above you can edit when your block expires.. Also I am allowed to be in this Conversation As I am an admin --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 00:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
: The one-strike policy was Justarandomamerican's idea. While I did agree to it, I did not utilize it and infact you exhausted multiple changes. Your talk page is cluttered with warnings that, had you been subject to a one-strike policy, would not have been placed and would instead have resulted in an immediate block. After ignoring multiple warnings and continuing to edit disruptively you were blocked. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 00:34, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::{{ping|Cocopuff2018|Naleksuh}} Coco, anyone can be an admin, so it really means jack here. And Naleksuh, you seem to be trying to shift the blame here. Also, my point isn't what ''would've'' happened if that was enforced, my point is why it was suggested in the first place. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 00:54, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} Because your being blamed for Stuff you did too You cannot Deny it also no one else here is To blame for your behavior i also know your using a proxy --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 00:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::: Only Justarandomamerican would know why it was suggested. However since this is not a useful attempt at requesting unblock and you have been making incivil comments here I will also warn you that your talk page access may be removed if this continues. Please only use your talk page for requesting unblock in a standard manner, not by bringing up irrelevant things or incivility (or simply wait until the block expires). [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 00:58, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::{{ping|Naleksuh|Cocopuff2018}} How would you know I'm using a proxy, Cocopuff? Re to Naleksuh: I'm not being uncivil at all, I'm simply pointing out facts, no matter how harsh they may be. I'm sure Fast and Justarandomamerican would agree. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 01:28, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::: So are you admitting to using a proxy, then? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::{{ping|Naleksuh}} I'm not seeing a policy that forbids it. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 01:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::: Cocopuff2018's accusation was of you using a proxy to attempt to bypass your block while blocked. Is this the case? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:56, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::::{{ping|Naleksuh}} I believe {{ping|Cocopuff2018}}'s accusation was me using a proxy. Yes I use a proxy. If he was asking whether I evaded an active block with a proxy, then no, I did not. I have no reason to, when the block is only two weeks. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 02:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
:{{Ping|BlackWidowMovie0}}, since you are blocked on wiki, there is no need for you to be doing anything on phabricator, and thus I’ve disabled your account on phabricator. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 03:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{ping|MacFan4000}} if you did not see he has 2 new IPs recently used by him via Blocklist and I think Perhaps It's worth Running a checkuser he also Admits to using a VPN here. {{Unsigned|Cocopuff2018}} | |||
====Appeal==== | |||
{{ping|Naleksuh}}, I have reviewed policies on TestWiki, may I be unblocked? I have only a day remaining on the block, anyway, and I would like to add on to what is being said in the Community portal. - [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 17:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
: Simply stating that you "have reviewed policies" is rather unconvincing, ideally you would address the reason for the block and show why the incidents will not occur again. Regardless if there was only a day left, it would have been simpler for you to wait the rest of it out. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 18:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
::Please note that I have decided to extend your block to indefinite as well as revoke talk page access. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 21:27, 5 January 2021 (UTC) | |||