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Mind if I suggest something?

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Consensus in favor of extending the (non-steward/sysadmin) inactivity period to 3 months. — Arcversin (talk) 22:58, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

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Instead of having your access to the admin tools after 1 month goes by without activity, why not just have it be 3 months instead? I'd say that 1 month is a bit too short, and I'm not sure how one month would be enough of a reason. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@MacFan4000: @Dmehus: Hello! How long will the proposal close? AlPaD (talk) 12:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Supports

 Support I like this idea, and can't see any drawbacks to it. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 16:27, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

 Support I think it should be extended. LisafBia (talk) 16:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

 Support Per nom. I am one (as you are three) 23:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

 Support I absolutely agree with that! AlPaD (talk) 14:19, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

 Oppose We're giving out adminship and 'cratship as if they were candies. Isn't that good enough? NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 10:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

It's definitely good but it would save bureaucrats some work by not having to re-add user rights so often and also save everyone else the hassle of having to ask for the rights again after just a short one-month hiatus. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 12:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk · contribs) Being honest, revocation of an advanced permission after 1 month just seems too short, and I'd recommend at least 3 months, as it's usually fair, in terms of how we all operate on the Public Test Wiki on Miraheze. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 13:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Neutral

Neutral--S871 (talk) 00:09, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Other Comments

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Should the policy be updated now?

Seeing as this has majority support, should one of the bureaucrats update the policy to reflect the new time? Or do we have to get a Steward's approval for policy changes? Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 14:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

CheckUser request

• User:七海娜娜米2b
• User:七海娜娜米3b
• User:想舞花

These 2 users are blocked intefinite on Chinese Wikipedia and locked on Wikimedia foundation and this action is suspected. Thanks! AlPaD (talk) 16:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@想舞花: Could you explain the reason for this action please? AlPaD (talk) 20:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

@AlPaD: I mean: give him permissions other than admin.--想舞花 (talk) 23:19, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

@想舞花: Thanks for reply! AlPaD (talk) 07:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Maybe it's their test account. Also, I don't know why being indefinitely blocked on Wikipedia or globally locked on Wikimedia matters here. My Wikimedia account is globally locked and blocked indefinitely on English Wikipedia, but as long as people behave here, I think they should be welcome here. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 20:16, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

@Seiyena: I don't think is a test account because he had requested administrator rights, while the test accounts don't need to be requested. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a sockpuppet issue. It's better steward see the issue and let our know if he needs CheckUser. AlPaD (talk) 07:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

I saw it again and maybe I was wrong. In the Chinese Wikipedia there are daily blocked for sockpuppetry and 想舞花 was banned from the Wikimedia foundation while 七海娜娜米 wasn't. I know that even if someone is blocked on Wikimedia they can contribute here and sorry if I was wrong. AlPaD (talk) 20:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

七海娜娜米2b and 七海娜娜米3b, are technically identical, 想舞花 is not connected to the other two, but the CU results were interesting. MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 14:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@MacFan4000: Thank you! AlPaD (talk) 17:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm block they account.--想舞花 (talk) 05:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

They had been blocked with autoblock disabled. I've modified block setting and enabled autoblock.--Q8j (talk) 07:32, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Special:AbuseFilter/52

The third line should have been & !page_id == 702. Currently it's checking for spam edits on TW:RFP... NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 10:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @Dmehus. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 10:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Can't admins edit the filters themselves? I know that on another wiki that was possible. Just saying. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 19:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Filters with restricted actions (namely, blocking) can only be edited by Stewards. — Arcversin (talk) 01:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

It would actually be page_id != 702, since this is an equality check. Also, it's generally good practice to surround any negation that isn't a single function with parentheses, like so: !('x' in y) — Arcversin (talk) 01:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

In regards to User:Seiyena.

Noting that the aforementioned abuse filter has been deployed. — Arcversin (talk) 01:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Filter 89

Looks like we're getting a few false positives here; I fixed a typo on an AbuseFilter warning and apparently I was disallowed. See my abuse log for reference.

@Kazrok4545—Courtesy ping if you have ideas. Thanks. —3PPYB6 (talk) 16:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

This is the result of the filter filtering for the <br> tag, which is a very common indicator of spam. This is actually unnecessary (already in another filter), so I've removed it and extended the exempted groups. @Kazrok4545: I've temporarily disabled the filter pending clarification on its intent, were you intending to do something akin to filter 88, or was this intended to be an addition to filter 52? — Arcversin (talk) 20:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to switch off this filter. It was created for testing. It is advisable to add these words to filter 52. — Regards, Kazrok4545 Talk 12:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Rename Account

Hi,

Could you please rename my account Videojeux4 to HeartsDo, please.

(Proof: here) Videojeux4 (talk) 04:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @Dmehus: @MacFan4000: AlPaD (talk) 05:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

HeartsDo, though I don't likely doubt this to be you, would you mind confirming your Test Wiki account from your Miraheze account? Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 02:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

I know the account to be legit.  Done. MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 03:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! :p HeartsDo (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Block Request

Hello, I think it would be good if I took a break from here for a bit. Could someone please block me for a few days, like maybe until May 1? Thank you very much. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 09:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

@Seiyena: I am willing to give out the block, on condition that:

1. You agree not to evade your block using sockpuppets.
2. You agree to be hard-blocked (i.e. with autoblock enabled).

NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 10:51, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree to both conditions.Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 11:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

You have now been blocked. Enjoy your break. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 11:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Any thoughts on this proposed change to filter 88?

Right now filter 88 is set to simply disallow the action that is trying to be performed. Given the number of recent triggers to that filter, maybe that should be changed to instead issue a 3-day block any time the filter is triggered as well as remove from any special groups like admin or bureaucrat. I think that might make it more effective at its job and also not cause it to be triggered so much. This proposal would need a steward's help to implement if it's approved since it involves adding restricted actions. But I do think this might be beneficial to the target of the filter.

Any thoughts on whether this is a good or bad idea? Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 12:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

I see no problem if there are at least two non-steward users who can modify that filter. Oligarchy is not really a nice way to work, especially in wikis. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 17:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Currently, filters with restricted actions (i.e. block, rangeblock, and degroup; though the later two aren't enabled at all here) can only be edited by Stewards. — Arcversin (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

I know. I'm waiting for this. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 20:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Name Change Request

Hi, can I please get my name changed to Bastrop? Thanks! Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 19:16, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

@Seiyena: Pings will only work if you add your signature in the same edit in which you add the ping. — Arcversin (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Now I realize I messed up the ping yet again lol. Trying this again. @MacFan4000: or @Dmehus: Thanks! Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 08:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi @MacFan4000: and @Dmehus:, I would still like my name changed to Bastrop, if possible. Thank you. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 13:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Proposed amendment to Test Wiki:Bots

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Both proposals fail. No clear consensus. MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 22:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

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Proposal

It is proposed that Test Wiki:Bots be amended as described at the policy page. The bot flag must not be granted by non-test administrators on Test Wiki permanently. Requests for permanent/indefinite bot flags should be made at Test Wiki:Bot approval requests. Requests should articulate the described particulars, at minimum. Bureaucrats may grant themselves the bot temporarily, for no more than twenty-four (24) hours, provided they state a clear and valid reason in their log summary. Dmehus (talk) 23:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Rationale:

• Provides for consistent approval of indefinitely/permanently-granted bot flags;
• Ensures bureaucrats and administrators are transparently disclosing all edits and log actions; and,
• Provides overall clarity.

Support

•  Support I agree with it. Though I don't oppose it, #Counter-proposal seems bit complicated to me.
  • Still, I'm confused about 1 sentence. "The bot flag must not be granted by non-test administrators on Test Wiki permanently". "non-test administrators" means steward, correct? Must not steward grant permanent bot flag? I'm not good at English, so I may have mistranslated that(I'm terribly sorry if so), but could you recheck that sentence, please?--Q8j (talk) 08:00, 2 May 2022 (UTC) Modify. On second thought.--Q8j (talk) 09:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support Per nom. I am one (as you are three) 12:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

•  Oppose –CrazyFisherman (talk) 20:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC) isn't necessary at all

Counter-proposal

As an alternative to the above primary proposal, the primary proposal is adopted except the bot flag is restricted technically to being granted by stewards and a new pseudobot or flood group is created for temporary uses, which may be granted by bureaucrats along the same terms as the primary propose. Dmehus (talk) 23:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Note: It is possible for you to support both the primary and counter-proposals and for both to pass.

Support

•  Support creation of the flood user group and  Oppose restricting the bot group to steward-only. However, I also  Support disallowing bureaucrats from granting themself bot (or flood) indefinitely unless they promises to revoke it after a short while (less than 24 hours, after which another crat may revoke the flag(s)). NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 03:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

  By the way, presuming flood consists of only one rights, bot, an admin-flooder will be able to do everything a bot can, apart from preventing notification when marking an edit as minor (minornotalk). NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 03:46, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

•  Support As Public TestWiki. AlPaD (talk) 14:31, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain

Neutral LisafBia (talk) 11:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Neutral --想舞花 (talk) 05:53, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Neutral — Regards, Kazrok4545 Talk 13:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Neutral - Although complicated and long winded, I do prefer and agree with #Counter-proposal. Trayfel • ( Edits | Talk ) 10:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

•  Oppose –CrazyFisherman (talk) 20:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC) per abvoe

General comments

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Stewardship request

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Unsuccessful, no consensus. MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 22:46, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm LisafBia. Most butlers have jobs on other wikis and can't help. I think I'm active on this wiki and I think I can help. Please choose me steward! LisafBia (talk) 19:08, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Support

• It would be great to have a more active steward here, and you seem to do a good job here. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 17:50, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
• Just be more careful in granting rights. AlPaD (talk) 09:14, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

• In Test Wiki:Request permissions/Archive10, you handled request requested by Seiyena twice.
  • #Seiyena_2, you granted her BC despite that I had put that on hold. My reason for putting it on hold is as Trayfel said. If you had checked her permissions log in advance, you could have noticed that it's prohibited by steward. And if you had asked me before, I would have answer the reason.
  • #Seiyena_8, you granted admin again despite steward's prohibition.
• Considering these facts, I have to conclude you used permission carelessly. Thus, I can't support this - not yet, at least. Sorry.
• Also, although I don't think you're obliged to do that, I expect steward to enable 2FA.--Q8j (talk) 10:30, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

To be honest, I wouldn't hold those two incidents against them. I know that when I myself grant rights on the Miraheze test wiki, I never think to check the past log entries. It just never crosses my mind to do that. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 17:50, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Neutral

Neutral I don't know what's going on.--想舞花 (talk) 03:16, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

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What does abuse filter throttle mean

Hi, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this, I didn't know where else to put a general question like this. I recently got a notification that my abuse filter (https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/85) was throttled. What does that mean and does it need to be remedied in any way? Thanks! Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 13:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Filter closed, thanks! LisafBia (talk) 14:45, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Request for steward's action regarding 想舞花

I'm requesting stewards(@MacFan4000, Dmehus) to;

1. Endorse blocking, permission revocation
2. Revoke 想舞花(and S871)'s permissions

Reason for request

Abuse of bot account, and 想舞花's permission. Talk-reject.

Facts

• User:S871bot is the bot account owned by User:想舞花(Special:Redirect/logid/30040)
  • User:S871 is also 想舞花's account(Special:Redirect/31206)
• At Test Wiki:Request permissions#Seiyena(permalink), Seiyena requested admin/BC rights.
  • LisafBia put that on hold to get steward's approval.
  • I found Dmehus(Miraheze) said "no objection" and proposed to shorten holding time to 48 hours.
  • 想舞花 granted admin before that time expires.
• Only 10 minutes after that, 想舞花 archived the section(Archive11).
  • Seiyena had question, but she asked that on archive page.
• I felt he/she archived too early given that the matter is still ongoing and controversial. So I reverted archiving and explained that at User talk:想舞花(Special:Diff/22648).
• 想舞花 made same edits using S871bot(it had bot flag).
• I believed that this is clearly abuse of bot account. About a month ago, Arcversin told him not to make non-bot actions(Special:PermaLink/21783#Your usage of the bot flag). So I revoked bot's permission and blocked the bot(with autoblock disabled). I notified that on User talk:想舞花 and asked him/her not to revert the action(Special:Diff/22652/22656).
• 想舞花 refused to explain reasons for bot account's action(Special:PermaLink/22690#Archiving RFP, Special:PermaLink/22696#i will not abuse my bot.)
• 想舞花 removed #Archiving RFP section saying "不回答任何关于机器人的问题，如果你有机器人的问题，请发送信息给User:S871，谢谢！", removed blocking for bot and regranted admin, bot rights saying "Situation resolved".

--Q8j (talk) 17:46, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Maybe just blocking the bot account and disallowing the use of it for awhile would help. I don't think the main account should be sanctioned yet. If they were to have issues when they were allowed to use the bot account again, then perhaps the block for the main account would be warranted.

(Sorry if I'm butting into something that's none of my business, I just wanted to offer my opinion on this) Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 17:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

bot question should sent to this Account's talk page , Don't send to Main account's Talk Page.--S871 (talk) 18:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

statement by 想舞花

It is found that an IP is not the IP that my account and the robot commonly use to log in, it is hacked, and now the account has been restored. so i say Situation resolved. --想舞花 (talk) 17:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

The person who hacked the account, he and I live in the same community.--想舞花 (talk) 18:09, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

My internet service provider is China Telecom, it can be accurate to the devices within the same wifi, his device is a laptop, mine is a desktop, I saw him quit using my robot account in reality normal thing. My bot account has been hacked, it's none of your business.--想舞花 (talk) 18:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Just noting that 想舞花 has since retired from this wiki. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 19:16, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Users are now relocked. CheckUser evidence confirms abuse of multiple accounts. MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 14:58, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, this mess is finally resolved. I've noticed this user abusing admin tools, having wheel wars with others, etc., but not brave enough to call for urgent action here. @Q8j: You are really righteous and brave. --Pavlov2~alternative (talk) 15:08, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Stewardship request for Q8j

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Q8j is thanked for their interest in putting their name forward as a Steward. There seems to be a general trend towards consensus that the user is active and perhaps trusted, though only two users have expressed a few to the latter and another user has characterized Q8j as seeming to be "responsible" and other users haven't explicitly stated those views (though it may well be implied). We must be cautious in reading too much into what people have said, or not said, though, so it is best to take their views at face value (i.e., that which is explicitly stated). There are three neutral views, which aren't express support views and their arguments tend to echo NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh's opposing view that there may not be much, if any, need for an additional Steward. Indeed, looking at the historical renames, sixteen (16) users have had been renamed in the past six or seven years since Test Wiki was created. That's an average of two renames per year. Assuming MacFan4000 and I each take one rename and assuming the historical average pattern repeats itself, that's one rename apiece in 2022. In terms of problematic users, we have one good-faith user who is being managed through an abuse filter and one persistent LTA (Andyyeung), who we seem to be managing. There was one more support from Seiyena, and their argument largely echos AlPaD's and Trayfel's argument that Q8j is active but makes no mention was to the apparent need. Indeed, by Q8j's own admission, they are chiefly active with permissions requests. I'm in the process of creating a Steward-granted abusefilter-maintainer non-test group on Test Wiki, so we could potentially explore a Steward granted senior-bureaucrat group that would have the ability to grant interface administrator permissions to trusted users under strict Steward defined conditions, potentially. The final support was unsigned and thus procedurally invalid. On a strict nosecount, that's four supports, two of which were weaker arguments, one oppose, and three neutrals, all of which echo the opposing view. So, in short, no consensus. Dmehus (talk) 04:39, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

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Hello. I'd like to request for steward permission.

When we(BC) need steward's action, decision or approval, we send notification to stewards like "@MacFan4000 and @Dmehus". But sometimes their response can take some time.

It can't be helped, given that there are only 2 stewards and they don't(of course, aren't obligated to) check this site frequently.

I frequently check this site and notifications, so I think I can shorten response time.

Of course, I'll be careful when I decide something or use permission as steward.

Thank you for your consideration.--Q8j (talk) 07:43, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Vote and Comment

 Support Trusted and active user. AlPaD (talk) 09:06, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

 Support / Question: @Q8j:, other than dealing with steward needed actions, what else will you contribute towards the site / community? Trayfel • ( Edits | Talk ) 19:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

@Trayfel:Thank you for the question. Even if I gain steward right, my main activity here would be tasks that doesn't require steward permissions. Such as handling RFP.--Q8j (talk) 23:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

@Q8j: Thank you for your response. I am changing my vote to  Support as you are a trusted user and we would benefit greatly having you as a Steward. Trayfel • ( Edits | Talk ) 12:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Currently Neutral, but you should really reconsider if sending messages like "Please choose me!" to user talk pages is adequate. –CrazyFisherman (talk) 22:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

@CrazyFisherman:I don't remember doing that. Would you mind clarifying which edit do you mean?--Q8j (talk) 23:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

@CrazyFisherman:Uh, I found it. You mean this, correct? then, the message is sent by LisafBia(Log), not me and "There is currently a selection" refers to #Stewardship_request. I guess there's misunderstanding.--Q8j (talk) 07:31, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Right now I'm Neutral. You seem responsible but I'm not really sure if we need another steward... Best, Hellk77 (talk) 22:15, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

 Support Q8j seems to be here a lot more frequently than the current stewards, both of whom have duties on other sites, and would most likely be able to handle any pressing issues within a short time. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 11:36, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm also Neutral leaning weak  Oppose as I think there's no need for another steward on this test wiki. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 14:17, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

•  Support You are very active on the wiki. I think you can do this task.

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• Thanks to everyone involved in this election.--Q8j (talk) 07:48, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

How do you modify the block reasons drop-down menu?

I wanted to move the "Steward action" reason to the section of reasons to only be used by stewards, as I think it belongs there. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 23:32, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Moved. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 14:19, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, @Seiyena:! To do this, you need to write a separate module, since I do not know the parameter at the software level. — Regards, Kazrok4545 Talk 08:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Skins and mobile view problem

Hello! I installed timeless skin in my preferences, but it didn't change the skin on the mobile screen. Why? Thanks! AlPaD (talk) 10:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

I will look into this. The mobile skin is handled by the MobileFrontend extension. MacFan4000 ^{(Talk Contribs)} 12:08, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I requested new skin. AlPaD (talk) 14:02, 3 June 2022 (UTC)