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==UserRightsManager==
The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|the preferences]]. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


==Extension of stewardship flag==
:We encourage bureaucrats, if you have last edited before June 2024, to re-enable its preferences. This user {{Support|supports}} this decision. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 
Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
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==Account rename==
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==
==Inactivity for AFAs==
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Should inactivity for [[Test Wiki:Abuse filter administrators|AFAs]] be measured in regular terms, or should it be measured by the last time an abuse filter was modified by an AFA, or perhaps even the last time a filter was modified to use a restricted action or a restricted filter was modified? I'd like to know consensus on this before I go and modify the [[TW: inactivity policy| inactivity policy]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)


:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:I would choose when the last time some AFA modified a regular abuse filter (without restricted actions). [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 02:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:We don't have a bot for it yet? That checks for inactivity? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one  to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
::Nope. It's a manual process. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Would be at least 3 months at least I can suggest. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:Abuse Filter Manager is less security-sensitive than Interface Administrator, which is entirely within Steward purview and generally accepted of at least 30 days of inactivity within relevant areas.
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:I would suggest the 3 month time limit proposed by Tailsultimatefan3891 is sufficient, but would add that it would be activity within [[Special:AbuseFilter]], not ''any'' wiki activity. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
::However, if it is determined that an abuse filter admin made their latest active action editing an abuse filter, also an bureaucrat, and administrator, and inactive for at least 3 months regardless of abuse filter activity or wiki activity, then all rights would be revocated. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
:::I'm {{support}} with 3 months [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 20:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Fair point, Tailsultimatefan3891, but I'd still favour codifying that is limited activity within the AbuseFilter space, as we could eventually subsequently amend the inactivity requirements for Bureaucrat and/or Administrator to, say, 6 months (I'd probably favour keeping Bureaucrat at 3 months and increase Administrator to 6 months, though). Also, while unlikely, it's ''possible'' someone may ''only'' request the AbuseFilter Manager permission. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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::::I'm saying to increase steward inactivity to 9 months, because you said to increase Administrator to 6 months. Also, System administrator rights can be re-granted within 6 hours of revocation due to inactivity, and steward rights can be re-granted within 24 hours of revocation due to inactivity. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 13:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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:::::Steward activity is currently set at 12 months, though. I think that's fair. System Administrator used to have either no inactivity limit or a 12 month limit. I think it should have an inactivity limit, but 12 months is fair.
:::::Administrator - 6 months
:::::Bureaucrat - 3-6 months (I support either, but maybe prefer 3 months)
:::::Steward - 12 months
:::::System Administrator - 12 months
:::::Interface Administrator - it's a steward-granted user group, so steward discretion applies, but generally speaking, the convention has been for 30 days of activity requiring the permission in MediaWiki or User namespace (i.e., other than their own userspace) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::Doug and TUF, I believe this would best be another discussion on a new thread, given that we've already come to a consensus on AFA inactivity (3 months of no abuse filter related activity). [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)


==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==
==Suppression Reports==


Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:
Not sure if this was ever officially announced, but you can go to [[Special:Report/REVID]] to report a revision that needs suppressed. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
:When I installed the extension, I announced it on Discord, but never made an announcement here. *facepalm* [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*sigh* *ahem*</nowiki> I agree on this feature. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 21:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
::You’re fine, no problem! [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:It's also included in the newsletter :) [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::Cool, right? {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


===Possible close?===
==Welcoming users==
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
We should welcome a newly-registered user when they make their first edit. Not before, but after. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 01:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)


====Support proposed close and involved closure====
:{{Support|Clear support}}. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 15:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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==Translations into Chinese==
====Object to proposed close====
Hi. I've been doing some translations lately and was wondering which variant of Chinese to translate to. Currently most pages are translated into regional dialects, such as zh-cn and zh-tw. What I think would be better is to translate only into zh-hans (simplified Chinese) and zh-hant (traditional Chinese) in order to reduce redundancy, as all Chinese dialects use one of the two character systems. Any thoughts? <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


==Requests for stewardship X==
:Well I think you should translate into the more popular dialect [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 12:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}
:Honestly, I think that we should only do the two main variants of Chinese (Traditional and Simplified). Regional dialects complicate things.. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
===Nomination===
::I lightly and honestly will {{Oppose|oppose}} reducing the variants of Chinese. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 21:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
:::For what reason? Regional dialects can be broken down into the two main dialects of Chinese. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
::::For some reason, variants of Chinese may be spoken may be many people, such as some people may speak a partial of Traditional and Simplified Chinese, they are multiple dialects of Chinese, 3 dialects of Chinese may be said by a person while others speak mainly only 1 dialect. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 11:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.
==Community Vote==
{{atop|result={{done}} per consensus below, now moved to [[Template:Emergency-bot-block]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 07:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC) }}


It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon, everyone.
<br>I request a vote on the following proposal: When a bot is created, [<nowiki/>[User:Sav/Templates/Emergency-user-block|this]] template could be automatically added to their user page. The process would check for accounts with the 'bot' permission and confirm whether or not the user page has content. If it does, the template would be placed at the top; if it doesn’t, the template would be placed regardless. The template is a quick and easy way to block bot accouts that may not be functioning properly. Thank you for your consideration. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)


'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
===Support===
===Support===
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s>
*{{support}} Why not? --[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 12:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} Don't see any problems with this.... --[[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} Makes sense to me. --[[User:Bonnedav|Bonnedav]] ([[User talk:Bonnedav|talk]]) 06:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} I agree with this. --[[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 23:29, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support|Clear support}} No complaints from this template. --{{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 15:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit.  [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s>
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s>
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s>
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


*{{Support}}  [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
===Oppose===
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


===Oppose===
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s>
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s>
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a  longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
===Neutral===
===Neutral===
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s>
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s>
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


===Questions===
===Questions===
===Result===
Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).
{{Discussion bottom}}
==[[User:Example]]==
Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.
I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==
Status: {{done}}
*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])
==Block numberous proxies==
<b>Status:</b> {{Done}}
I am not an admin.
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]
*[[Special:Block/107.181.230.227|107.181.230.227]]
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s>
==Proxy bot==
{{discussion top}}
<b>Status:</b> {{not done|Not done and withdrawn}}
===Nomination===
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
===Signature that belongs to the user that will own the proxy bot===
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===Username for the proxy bot===
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===Support===
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===Oppose===
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===Neutral===
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===Comments===
===Comments===
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This has been put before the community previously. See [[Test Wiki:Community portal/Archive 8#Proposed amendment to Test Wiki:Bots]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 10:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:It has indeed, however this time it seems to have more consensus and support. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 04:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
{{abot}}
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
===Result===
<!---- Only if the nomination is finished ---->
Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 
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==Rename Request==
 
Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 
==Possible sockpuppetry==


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==[[Special:PageLanguage]] enabled==
Multiple groups have the pagelang permission, but the page wasn't enabled until I set $wgPageLanguageUseDB to true. You can now change page languages. The default is still English. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)


{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks?
==Rename==
Steward can rename rafdodobot on DodoBot please. Thanks --[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 19:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}} [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 09:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)


If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
==[[MediaWiki:Gadget-OnlineAdmins.js]] edited==
OnlineAdmins.js has been edited slightly to reflect formatting, you may need to reinstall this gadget. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:There has been one final change to the code, please reinstall this gadget to reflect the changes. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 06:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:I honestly think we should just replace this with [[mw:Extension:WhosOnline]]. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 07:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Putting on my sysadmin hat here, to say that this has been previously rejected, and I will probably reject it again. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 09:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Possibly, Gadget-OnlineAdmins.js and WhosOnline should be implemented altogether. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)


:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
==Abuse filter to prevent legal threats==
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


{{Discussion bottom}}
I had implemented filter 164 to prevent legal threats and I also tried testing filter 164 by using filter 165 but it didn't work. Would you help me on this? {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 11:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)


==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==
:I implemented another abuse filter, numbered 166, leaving that more simple. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)


Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]
==API==


Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
what is the url of the API(for creating DodoBot)[[User:DodoBot|DodoBot]] ([[User talk:DodoBot|talk]]) 09:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)


==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==
:See https://mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
{{Discussion top}}
Status: {{not done}}


Change from: Example user
==Proposal to modify the block durations for filter 92==


Change to: Example user, blocked from chat
As the title says, I propose modifying the block durations (IP addresses and accounts) from three months down to whatever block duration limit (whether shorter or not) is appropriate. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 03:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC)


Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.
==MediaWiki internal error on [[Special:SpecialPages]]==


Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
[b3226bde47e2affaf7622a8e] /wiki/Special:SpecialPages TypeError: Cannot assign APCUBagOStuff to property MediaWiki\Extension\Translate\Statistics\LanguageStatsSpecialPage::$cache of type Wikimedia\ObjectCache\BagOStuff
Backtrace:
from /var/www/html/extensions/Translate/src/Statistics/LanguageStatsSpecialPage.php(84)
#0 /var/www/html/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory.php(240): MediaWiki\Extension\Translate\Statistics\LanguageStatsSpecialPage->__construct()
#1 /var/www/html/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory.php(149): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory::getObjectFromSpec()
#2 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1501): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory->createObject()
#3 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1539): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->getPage()
#4 /var/www/html/includes/specials/SpecialSpecialPages.php(64): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->getUsablePages()
#5 /var/www/html/includes/specials/SpecialSpecialPages.php(53): MediaWiki\Specials\SpecialSpecialPages->getPageGroups()
#6 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(719): MediaWiki\Specials\SpecialSpecialPages->execute()
#7 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1669): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPage->run()
#8 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(504): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath()
#9 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(145): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->performRequest()
#10 /var/www/html/includes/MediaWikiEntryPoint.php(199): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->execute()
#11 /var/www/html/index.php(58): MediaWiki\MediaWikiEntryPoint->run()
#12 {main}
{{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 22:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)


:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]
{{Discussion bottom}}
:You could try modifying the LanguageStatsSpecialPage.php file at line 84, where the cache assignment occurs, to handle the cache object
:if ($cache instanceof Wikimedia\ObjectCache\BagOStuff) {
:$this->cache = $cache;
:} else {
:// Handle error or set default cache.
:}
:But before that, check if the translation extension is compatible with the the MW version because of now-translation extension >= 1.42.0 [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)


==Add IPBE privilege==  
==Steward==
{{atop|result={{Not done}} - Retired (Giving up) --[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 18:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)}}
Even though not too much time has passed, I am still candidate as steward... Let's face it, there is simply nothing or hardly anything left for me to do and I rather could prove myself as steward than as bureaucrat! I could also help better as steward...


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I hope for a chance... [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''
::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
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===Nomination===
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:
 
*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code>
 
Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.
 
From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


===Support===
===Support===
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}} We currently have '''{{color|red|4}}''' Stewards, with 2 being active ([[Special:Log/Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] & [[Special:Log/Drummingman|Drummingman]]). Alongside this, your reasoning of '''Let's face it, there is simply nothing or hardly anything left for me to do and I rather could prove myself as steward than as bureaucrat!''' does not reflect a clear understanding of the Steward role. Instead, it suggests an interest in [[wp:Wikipedia:Hat_collecting|hat collecting]], rather than having a clear understand of what a Steward does. Good luck with your request! [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 09:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*:As I wrote below, no steward, nothing to do! [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::You're clearly not understanding what a Steward does, Justman. You don't just apply for Stewardship because you are "bored" or "have nothing to do". [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])
*:::No, but I would also do what stewards do [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 14:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::Besides, I want to be a system administrator! And since one said that it was helpful to be a steward first... [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*::There is plenty to do without having the steward tools. You can continue to translate pages into German, which is of great importance. Test Wiki is multilingual, and your efforts are valued as a translator. You can fight the occasional vandalism and spam that comes through. Beyond non-test actions, you can also keep testing the admin and bureaucrat tools! See what you can do with them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
 
*:::It won't take long, then I won't have anything left to translate either [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
===Neutral===
*{{oppose}} I don't think that you understand the policies well, and [[User:Sav|Sav]]'s point is also valid. Steward right is a right that requires great dedication and knowledge. It also requires the user to be trustworthy. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 10:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
 
*:If one don't try, one won't find out! And as I already said in my candidacy, as a bureaucrat I have nothing more to do! And just sitting dumb around is not the sence either. [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 11:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
===Comments===
*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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==Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha==


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*{{oppose}}: Stewards privileges is very sensitive and most important role than other privileges, I believe other stewards are doing her job and not need to grant stewardship to others users.Happy testing!---''<span style="background:#7B68EE;border:1px solid #FF00FF;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Kiteretsu|<span style="color:#FFD700">kítєrєtѕu</span>]]•[[User talk:Kiteretsu|<span style="color:#00FA9A">[@píng mє]</span>]]</span>'' 16:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''
::Moot. A reasonable request for [[Test Wiki:System Administrators|system administrators]] to consider at some point in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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===Nomination===
*{{oppose}} and suggest a restriction for Justman10000 on opening another RfS that wastes volunteer/community time. This request shows a lack of understanding of the role of stewards and does not give me confidence in the candidate. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 16:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
 
Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha.  [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:Also, MacFan4000 can choose a dark or light theme of hCaptcha box, and normal or compact size of hCaptcha box. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 20:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 
===Support===
 
===Oppose===


===Neutral===
===Neutral===
{{abot}}


===Comments===
==Grace periods==
*This [rfc:2119 should not] need a full community discussion, as it's (a) a technical change and (b) quite a non-controversial one. We haven't had many issues with reCAPTCHA here, like Miraheze has/had, so it's not that urgent. I think we can let MacFan4000 decide when/if to switch to hCAPTCHA. I personally would have no objections to that change. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
One of my pet peeves is that people are establishing the grace period for users' rights too early. People should wait a little longer to do it so that the day of the new grace period and expiration date are close to each other. Thus, I might revert the grace period that was added to [[User:London|London]]'s rights earlier today, despite the expiration date being entirely correct, but too far from today. But, with grace periods (PLUS CORRECTIONS) comes an [[Special:Log/rights|extremely clogged log]] so likely I won't this time.
 
===Result===
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:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''</div>


==Potential RfS candidate==
Now that I think about it, I will probably retire from doing grace periods soon (most likely today), and I will try notifying users about their rights differently, via their talk pages two weeks before supposedly But this idea isn't final. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 21:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:We've had this system for a while and it's both fair and useful. No reverts should be made unless a Steward agrees with the decision, as up until now there have been no issues. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 01:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
:I think we should add a section to the inactivity policy about grace periods (how long they should be, when they should be set, etc.) I don't think we should retire the practice, as it's quite useful to both bureaucrats and users having their rights removed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)


Hello. I'm considering running for Stewardship sometime in the near future. I would be assisted greatly by the Steward tools, given that my main edits and logged actions consist of preventing abuse.
On second thought, never mind. I going to stick with the practice as I still enjoy doing/using it. And about the inactivity policy, I agree. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 16:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
I also think the community needs another Steward due to the fact that we have 3 Stewards, and only 1 is fully active, and a person cannot manage every Steward-reserved matter by themselves. I would add additional coverage to spot and prevent complex disruption, such as by [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|users who lack the skills necessary to edit]]. My question is, what does the community think? Add feedback here in the Survey section below. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


===Survey===
===RFC: Adding a section to the inactivity policy on grace periods===
I would support. You have handled your tools well here and on other wikis, and are trustworthy. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:32, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
I propose that the following section be added to the inactivity policy: "Grace periods are an optional way of enforcing this policy. Grace periods involve making the inactive user's rights expire in 2 weeks when they would have otherwise been removed in 2 weeks. It adds extra notification to the inactive user, who can always change their rights back." [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{support}}: This explains it all. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 00:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)


I would not have any opposition to a potential run at some point in the near- to medium-term future. I would just recommend you articulate a clear need, invite questions from the community, and, perhaps, provide several situation-based examples to which you would articulate how you would handle those situations. As a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] and an administrator of such elections, I will refrain from an expressing a view and stay neutral, so as to be impartial in any potential close. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
==[[User:Kiteretsu/RequestSolver|RequestSolver]]==


:“With Drummingman's recent election to Steward, they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient need for an additional Steward.” How is that different here? “I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be trusted.” How is that different either @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:45, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi.Everyone, I've keeping on here a proposal of RequestSolver using on the permission page and community portal for marking request manually as done, not done, already done and on hold.etc, I've feel happy if known to what think about this proposal of others users for this proposal.Happy testing ---''<span style="background:#7B68EE;border:1px solid #FF00FF;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Kiteretsu|<span style="color:#FFD700">kítєrєtѕu</span>]]•[[User talk:Kiteretsu|<span style="color:#00FA9A">[@píng mє]</span>]]</span>'' 05:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
::The former: I have articulated a need for Stewards based on activity, as well as an individual need for the tools. The latter: I'm Justarandomamerican on Miraheze and Wikimedia, and collaborated with Dmehus on Miraheze. Note that this comment are my thoughts on the matter, not his. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:06, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::I know, but @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] has expressed that he doesn’t think we need another steward, so I’m asking for clarification. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
::::I said I think it would need to be well-articulated on what the requesting user plans to do. While ideally some sort of global role would be nice to demonstrate the user is trusted, I actually thought Justarandomamerican was a Wikimedia Global Rollbacker, but I think I was thinking of JavaHurricane, with whom I've also collaborated on Miraheze and Public Test Wiki. IMHO, it [rfc:2119 ''should''] be some sort of local or global role on Miraheze, Wikimedia, or Fandom that demonstrates the user is sufficiently ''trusted''. For Wikimedia, it can probably be a ''local'' role, whereas on Miraheze, I'd say either a Miraheze Meta Wiki local role, Public Test Wiki Consul, or a Miraheze global role (other than global IP block exemption). For Fandom, it should be a Fandom global community or staff role. Hope that clarifies. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::I'm not a global rollbacker on WM as I have no need for that right at the moment, but I am an enwiki and simplewiki local rollbacker. I'm relatively trusted to prevent abuse. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
I would weak oppose, as you aren't super trusted on wikimedia, and there isn't a need, though I would consider supporting if you held a higher trust role on wikimedia (i.e template editor, massmessage sender, new pages reviewer, edit filter helper, page mover, file mover, autopatrol), or a high trust global role, as I'd rather see some form of trustworthy role, as rollback isn't that highly sanctioned. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)


:The supposedly higher trust roles you describe are for a need and competency in entirely different areas: I'm not experienced enough to be a template editor, have no need to be a mass message sender, NPR is a user group assisting in dealing with content, not conduct, etc. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:15, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
==Retirement==
::That makes sense. I’d say wait. Given that my RfS just failed with multiple people expressing that they don’t think a 4th steward is needed at all. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Well, there appears to be, given the fact that there are only 3 Stewards and only 1 is fully active. I plan on waiting a bit anyways. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:39, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
::Well, there are plenty of roles that aren't for an explicit need, they show you can be trusted, you have 2500 edits on wikimedia, which isn't very many, and I'd rather you had higher trust levels on other wikis. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 19:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
:::How is making 2500 edits not very many? [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Wikipedians#User permissions|Only 30% of registered Wikipedia users ever make one.]] [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:39, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
::::I've got around 6000 which isn't very many, I'd expect more like 7500. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:49, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::I was inviting you to explain why that isn't enough, as that's more than [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Wikipedians#User permissions|99.5% of all registered contributors]], and I am seeking the position for an individual need for tools to prevent abuse. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:56, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::You don’t have a need for the tools, you have full access to the suite of admin tools which is enough to prevent abuse. I’m simply saying, that rollback isn’t that high trust, as they give it out to anyone who has a history of anti vandalism and meets the requirements, and 2500 edits is more than most users, but for a right giving access to look at IP addresses, I’d expect more trust on other wikis when the right isn’t entirely required. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 12:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::I could say that nobody actually requires the tools. Dmehus doesn't actually have a ''need'' to look up IPs, but was given the toolkit anyways. Cross-wiki trust barely matters in a small community, or even a large one. Nobody judges a scowiki admin candidate on the basis that they only have rollback on enwiki. Nobody judges an enwiki admin for only having rollback and patroller on metamiraheze. Why is this required when I have a track record right here of making perfectly fine decisions? Simply put: if a candidate has a track record of making good decisions on the wiki they are requesting permissions, they are trusted, even if they have a bit lower trust elsewhere. Rollback on enwiki? Sure, it's a bit lower trust, but only adds to a case of a totality of the circumstances trustworthiness [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


==Amend [[Test Wiki:No open proxies]] to include [[Wikipedia: colocation providers|colocation providers]]==
Since my work is neither recognised or even accepted of, and also because no one wants to give me a chance, I feel compelled to stop my work here... As system administrator, I could have done a lot of work... However, since I was already rejected there and told to become a steward first... So I wanted to do this, and?


Colocation providers also hide IPs, like proxies and webhosts, so they should logically be included. Change: "No open proxies, web hosts, or VPNs..." to "No open proxies, web hosts, VPNs, or [[Wikipedia:Colocation providers|colocation providers]]..." [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
PS: If I really wanted to harm this project, I would have done it long ago! [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)


:{{done}} as this is pretty uncontroversial and doesn’t warrant further discussion. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:I'm sorry. Your contributions are valued. They always have been. Nobody thinks you're going to harm the project, there are just already 2 active stewards, which people think is enough. I sincerely hope you come back soon! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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UserRightsManager

Latest comment: 24 June2 comments2 people in discussion

The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in the preferences. LisafBia (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

We encourage bureaucrats, if you have last edited before June 2024, to re-enable its preferences. This user  supports this decision. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Inactivity for AFAs

Latest comment: 15 September12 comments6 people in discussion

Should inactivity for AFAs be measured in regular terms, or should it be measured by the last time an abuse filter was modified by an AFA, or perhaps even the last time a filter was modified to use a restricted action or a restricted filter was modified? I'd like to know consensus on this before I go and modify the inactivity policy. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would choose when the last time some AFA modified a regular abuse filter (without restricted actions). Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 02:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
We don't have a bot for it yet? That checks for inactivity? Justman10000 (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Nope. It's a manual process. Justarandomamerican (talk) 16:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Would be at least 3 months at least I can suggest. Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Abuse Filter Manager is less security-sensitive than Interface Administrator, which is entirely within Steward purview and generally accepted of at least 30 days of inactivity within relevant areas.
I would suggest the 3 month time limit proposed by Tailsultimatefan3891 is sufficient, but would add that it would be activity within Special:AbuseFilter, not any wiki activity. Dmehus (talk) 18:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
However, if it is determined that an abuse filter admin made their latest active action editing an abuse filter, also an bureaucrat, and administrator, and inactive for at least 3 months regardless of abuse filter activity or wiki activity, then all rights would be revocated. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm  Support with 3 months AlPaD (talk) 20:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Fair point, Tailsultimatefan3891, but I'd still favour codifying that is limited activity within the AbuseFilter space, as we could eventually subsequently amend the inactivity requirements for Bureaucrat and/or Administrator to, say, 6 months (I'd probably favour keeping Bureaucrat at 3 months and increase Administrator to 6 months, though). Also, while unlikely, it's possible someone may only request the AbuseFilter Manager permission. Dmehus (talk) 23:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm saying to increase steward inactivity to 9 months, because you said to increase Administrator to 6 months. Also, System administrator rights can be re-granted within 6 hours of revocation due to inactivity, and steward rights can be re-granted within 24 hours of revocation due to inactivity. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 13:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Steward activity is currently set at 12 months, though. I think that's fair. System Administrator used to have either no inactivity limit or a 12 month limit. I think it should have an inactivity limit, but 12 months is fair.
Administrator - 6 months
Bureaucrat - 3-6 months (I support either, but maybe prefer 3 months)
Steward - 12 months
System Administrator - 12 months
Interface Administrator - it's a steward-granted user group, so steward discretion applies, but generally speaking, the convention has been for 30 days of activity requiring the permission in MediaWiki or User namespace (i.e., other than their own userspace) Dmehus (talk) 18:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Doug and TUF, I believe this would best be another discussion on a new thread, given that we've already come to a consensus on AFA inactivity (3 months of no abuse filter related activity). Justarandomamerican (talk) 19:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Suppression Reports

Latest comment: 26 June6 comments4 people in discussion

Not sure if this was ever officially announced, but you can go to Special:Report/REVID to report a revision that needs suppressed. X (talk + contribs) 21:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

When I installed the extension, I announced it on Discord, but never made an announcement here. *facepalm* Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
*sigh* *ahem* I agree on this feature. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 21:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
You’re fine, no problem! X (talk + contribs) 21:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's also included in the newsletter :) The AP (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Cool, right? Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Welcoming users

Latest comment: 29 July2 comments2 people in discussion

We should welcome a newly-registered user when they make their first edit. Not before, but after. Tsukushi (talk) 01:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

 Clear support. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 15:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Translations into Chinese

Latest comment: 18 July6 comments4 people in discussion

Hi. I've been doing some translations lately and was wondering which variant of Chinese to translate to. Currently most pages are translated into regional dialects, such as zh-cn and zh-tw. What I think would be better is to translate only into zh-hans (simplified Chinese) and zh-hant (traditional Chinese) in order to reduce redundancy, as all Chinese dialects use one of the two character systems. Any thoughts? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Well I think you should translate into the more popular dialect The AP (talk) 12:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Honestly, I think that we should only do the two main variants of Chinese (Traditional and Simplified). Regional dialects complicate things.. Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I lightly and honestly will  oppose reducing the variants of Chinese. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 21:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
For what reason? Regional dialects can be broken down into the two main dialects of Chinese. Justarandomamerican (talk) 20:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
For some reason, variants of Chinese may be spoken may be many people, such as some people may speak a partial of Traditional and Simplified Chinese, they are multiple dialects of Chinese, 3 dialects of Chinese may be said by a person while others speak mainly only 1 dialect. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 11:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Community Vote

Latest comment: 31 July9 comments8 people in discussion

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Good afternoon, everyone.
I request a vote on the following proposal: When a bot is created, [[User:Sav/Templates/Emergency-user-block|this]] template could be automatically added to their user page. The process would check for accounts with the 'bot' permission and confirm whether or not the user page has content. If it does, the template would be placed at the top; if it doesn’t, the template would be placed regardless. The template is a quick and easy way to block bot accouts that may not be functioning properly. Thank you for your consideration. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 15:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

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This has been put before the community previously. See Test Wiki:Community portal/Archive 8#Proposed amendment to Test Wiki:Bots. Justarandomamerican (talk) 10:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

It has indeed, however this time it seems to have more consensus and support. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 04:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Special:PageLanguage enabled

Latest comment: 27 July1 comment1 person in discussion

Multiple groups have the pagelang permission, but the page wasn't enabled until I set $wgPageLanguageUseDB to true. You can now change page languages. The default is still English. Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Rename

Latest comment: 29 July2 comments2 people in discussion

Steward can rename rafdodobot on DodoBot please. Thanks --DodoMan (talk) 19:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

 Done Justarandomamerican (talk) 09:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

MediaWiki:Gadget-OnlineAdmins.js edited

Latest comment: 18 August5 comments4 people in discussion

OnlineAdmins.js has been edited slightly to reflect formatting, you may need to reinstall this gadget. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 03:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

There has been one final change to the code, please reinstall this gadget to reflect the changes. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 06:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I honestly think we should just replace this with mw:Extension:WhosOnline. Tsukushi (talk) 07:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Putting on my sysadmin hat here, to say that this has been previously rejected, and I will probably reject it again. Justarandomamerican (talk) 09:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Possibly, Gadget-OnlineAdmins.js and WhosOnline should be implemented altogether. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Abuse filter to prevent legal threats

Latest comment: 18 August2 comments1 person in discussion

I had implemented filter 164 to prevent legal threats and I also tried testing filter 164 by using filter 165 but it didn't work. Would you help me on this? Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 11:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I implemented another abuse filter, numbered 166, leaving that more simple. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

API

Latest comment: 19 August2 comments2 people in discussion

what is the url of the API(for creating DodoBot)DodoBot (talk) 09:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

See https://mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Proposal to modify the block durations for filter 92

Latest comment: 23 August1 comment1 person in discussion

As the title says, I propose modifying the block durations (IP addresses and accounts) from three months down to whatever block duration limit (whether shorter or not) is appropriate. Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 03:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

MediaWiki internal error on Special:SpecialPages

Latest comment: 27 August2 comments2 people in discussion

[b3226bde47e2affaf7622a8e] /wiki/Special:SpecialPages TypeError: Cannot assign APCUBagOStuff to property MediaWiki\Extension\Translate\Statistics\LanguageStatsSpecialPage::$cache of type Wikimedia\ObjectCache\BagOStuff Backtrace: from /var/www/html/extensions/Translate/src/Statistics/LanguageStatsSpecialPage.php(84)

  1. 0 /var/www/html/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory.php(240): MediaWiki\Extension\Translate\Statistics\LanguageStatsSpecialPage->__construct()
  2. 1 /var/www/html/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory.php(149): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory::getObjectFromSpec()
  3. 2 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1501): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory->createObject()
  4. 3 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1539): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->getPage()
  5. 4 /var/www/html/includes/specials/SpecialSpecialPages.php(64): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->getUsablePages()
  6. 5 /var/www/html/includes/specials/SpecialSpecialPages.php(53): MediaWiki\Specials\SpecialSpecialPages->getPageGroups()
  7. 6 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(719): MediaWiki\Specials\SpecialSpecialPages->execute()
  8. 7 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1669): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPage->run()
  9. 8 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(504): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath()
  10. 9 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(145): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->performRequest()
  11. 10 /var/www/html/includes/MediaWikiEntryPoint.php(199): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->execute()
  12. 11 /var/www/html/index.php(58): MediaWiki\MediaWikiEntryPoint->run()
  13. 12 {main}

Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 22:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Justarandomamerican
You could try modifying the LanguageStatsSpecialPage.php file at line 84, where the cache assignment occurs, to handle the cache object
if ($cache instanceof Wikimedia\ObjectCache\BagOStuff) {
$this->cache = $cache;
} else {
// Handle error or set default cache.
}
But before that, check if the translation extension is compatible with the the MW version because of now-translation extension >= 1.42.0 The AP (talk) 17:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Steward

Latest comment: 15 September13 comments6 people in discussion

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Even though not too much time has passed, I am still candidate as steward... Let's face it, there is simply nothing or hardly anything left for me to do and I rather could prove myself as steward than as bureaucrat! I could also help better as steward...

I hope for a chance... Justman10000 (talk) 17:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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  •  Oppose We currently have 4 Stewards, with 2 being active (Justarandomamerican & Drummingman). Alongside this, your reasoning of Let's face it, there is simply nothing or hardly anything left for me to do and I rather could prove myself as steward than as bureaucrat! does not reflect a clear understanding of the Steward role. Instead, it suggests an interest in hat collecting, rather than having a clear understand of what a Steward does. Good luck with your request! Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 09:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    As I wrote below, no steward, nothing to do! Justman10000 (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    You're clearly not understanding what a Steward does, Justman. You don't just apply for Stewardship because you are "bored" or "have nothing to do". Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    No, but I would also do what stewards do Justman10000 (talk) 14:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Besides, I want to be a system administrator! And since one said that it was helpful to be a steward first... Justman10000 (talk) 16:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    There is plenty to do without having the steward tools. You can continue to translate pages into German, which is of great importance. Test Wiki is multilingual, and your efforts are valued as a translator. You can fight the occasional vandalism and spam that comes through. Beyond non-test actions, you can also keep testing the admin and bureaucrat tools! See what you can do with them. Justarandomamerican (talk) 13:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    It won't take long, then I won't have anything left to translate either Justman10000 (talk) 16:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •  Oppose I don't think that you understand the policies well, and Sav's point is also valid. Steward right is a right that requires great dedication and knowledge. It also requires the user to be trustworthy. LisafBia (talk) 10:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    If one don't try, one won't find out! And as I already said in my candidacy, as a bureaucrat I have nothing more to do! And just sitting dumb around is not the sence either. Justman10000 (talk) 11:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •  Oppose and suggest a restriction for Justman10000 on opening another RfS that wastes volunteer/community time. This request shows a lack of understanding of the role of stewards and does not give me confidence in the candidate. X (talk + contribs) 16:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Neutral

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Grace periods

Latest comment: Monday at 00:196 comments3 people in discussion

One of my pet peeves is that people are establishing the grace period for users' rights too early. People should wait a little longer to do it so that the day of the new grace period and expiration date are close to each other. Thus, I might revert the grace period that was added to London's rights earlier today, despite the expiration date being entirely correct, but too far from today. But, with grace periods (PLUS CORRECTIONS) comes an extremely clogged log so likely I won't this time.

Now that I think about it, I will probably retire from doing grace periods soon (most likely today), and I will try notifying users about their rights differently, via their talk pages two weeks before supposedly But this idea isn't final. Tsukushi (talk) 21:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

We've had this system for a while and it's both fair and useful. No reverts should be made unless a Steward agrees with the decision, as up until now there have been no issues. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 01:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think we should add a section to the inactivity policy about grace periods (how long they should be, when they should be set, etc.) I don't think we should retire the practice, as it's quite useful to both bureaucrats and users having their rights removed. Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

On second thought, never mind. I going to stick with the practice as I still enjoy doing/using it. And about the inactivity policy, I agree. Tsukushi (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

RFC: Adding a section to the inactivity policy on grace periods

I propose that the following section be added to the inactivity policy: "Grace periods are an optional way of enforcing this policy. Grace periods involve making the inactive user's rights expire in 2 weeks when they would have otherwise been removed in 2 weeks. It adds extra notification to the inactive user, who can always change their rights back." Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

 Support: This explains it all. Tsukushi (talk) 00:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

RequestSolver

Latest comment: 13 September1 comment1 person in discussion

Hi.Everyone, I've keeping on here a proposal of RequestSolver using on the permission page and community portal for marking request manually as done, not done, already done and on hold.etc, I've feel happy if known to what think about this proposal of others users for this proposal.Happy testing ---kítєrєtѕu•[@píng mє] 05:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Retirement

Latest comment: 15 September2 comments2 people in discussion

Since my work is neither recognised or even accepted of, and also because no one wants to give me a chance, I feel compelled to stop my work here... As system administrator, I could have done a lot of work... However, since I was already rejected there and told to become a steward first... So I wanted to do this, and?

PS: If I really wanted to harm this project, I would have done it long ago! Justman10000 (talk) 17:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm sorry. Your contributions are valued. They always have been. Nobody thinks you're going to harm the project, there are just already 2 active stewards, which people think is enough. I sincerely hope you come back soon! Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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