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==Proposal: Abolish the non-steward suppressor right==

== Oversight role? ==

{{ping|MacFan4000|Void}} Do you think it'd be possible to get an oversight role? [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 14:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Seemplez}} I'm just gonna bump in here, but there's no need for it right now. From what I've seen, everything is fine, and the CheckUser right isn't really needed either, the only use for the Steward permission is that it can revoke bureaucrat permissions from a user. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 17:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

::I think we already have both kinds of oversight on this wiki, from google I saw https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/oversight which is revision deletion you should already be able to do the admin kind of revision deletion, there is also the suppress kind, which was done to a few entries a long time ago by MacFan4000, but for that you need to be in the [[Test Wiki:Suppress|suppress user group]] and only the stewards can assign that. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 18:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

:If a steward thinks you should have it, and assigns it to you, or you become a steward, then yes. Otherwise, no. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Fast|Justarandomamerican|BlackWidowMovie0}} Thanks. [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 11:29, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

This was already partly discussed in the Test Wiki Discord server, and I'm ultimately bringing it up here as a proposal for the community to comment on.

== CheckUser testing ==

Simply, I'd like to propose abolishing [[Test Wiki:Suppressors|non-steward suppressors]] on this wiki. We currently have two such users, me being one of them, but ultimately at this time, there is really not much need. There are mainly two factors to this, which I will be listing here.

Currently, as shown in [[Special:ListGroupRights]], it seems that only bureaucrats may use the <code>checkuser-limited</code> permission. This permission allows checking oneself for the purpose of testing out the tool. It may be a good idea to grant this permission to administrators as administrators is the primary for-testing group here and it should not be necessary to request bureaucratship for testing. In addition, when it is only possible to check oneself there is very little capacity for damage (checking others will still be limited to Stewards).

#The amount of suppressions, and especially suppression requests, are already low to this date. Except for two suppressions this month (one performed by me and the other by a steward), the last 50 suppressions date back to July last year, most of which were either reverted, performed as tests or performed for old edits/log entries.

#The community is too small, and not large enough to justify having independent suppressors or checkusers. On a wiki as small as this one, it is likely best to center the suppression task to the stewards, both since they already are experienced with CU/OS and personal information, and considering that they have already been the ones mainly handling suppressions on this wiki either way. This would also be a benefit for the security aspects as well, even if compromises are indeed rare here.

Potentially, the community could consider to instead elect new stewards with the inactivity of Dmehus and decreased activity of Justa and MacFan, but in the current state, there isn't really a need nor a community large enough to justify having NSS at this time, and I therefore propose to instead center this task to the stewards. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 13:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Opinions? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 22:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

:Agree <code>checkuser-limited</code> is not really that sensitive, and certainly has less potential for damage than many of the other rights bundled with administrator. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 03:50, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

:Agree. You can only test checkuser on yourself. Making a phabricator task..... [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:59, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

::[https://phabricator.testwiki.wiki/T43 Phabricator task] [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

*{{support}} - as proposer. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 13:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:CptViraj]] ==

*:Just for the record I would also be fine with Drummingman's suggestion to let current NSS keep the rights. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 05:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:Bunnypranav|~/Bunnypranav]]:<[[User talk:Bunnypranav|ping]]> 13:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Please delete my userpage, Thanks! -- [[User:CptViraj|CptViraj]] ([[User talk:CptViraj|talk]]) 05:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:VancityRothaug|'''VancityRothaug''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:00, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

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*{{~~Done~~}} --[[User:~~Q8j~~|~~Q8j~~]] ([[User talk:~~Q8j~~|~~talk~~]]) 08:26, 25 ~~December~~ ~~2020~~ (UTC)

:{{support}} -[[User:C1K98V|''C1K98V'']] ([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]]) 02:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} - However, my opinion is that the current two NSSs may retain their rights until they become stewards or resign, and that no new NSSs will be appointed. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} Per Drummingman [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} Drummingman’s alteration to the proposal. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:08, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

==Nomination of [[User:EPIC]] for Stewardship==

== Spam abuse filters ==

As with the NSS removal, this was already partly discussed in the Test Wiki Discord server and I would like to officially create this nomination here on the community portal. I am hereby nominating [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] for a stewardship here on Test Wiki. I believe that they have shown extreme dedication to all the hats they hold both on Test Wiki and other, notable wikis and that they would be a perfect fit to help oversee the administration of Test Wiki, alongside with the other 3 stewards. As many of you may know, EPIC is also a steward on Wikimedia which I find to be a great achievement, further improving his experience. Please let me know if you have any other questions in the discussion below. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''VancityRothaug''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

I'd like to propose that we enable automatic blocking on our anti-spam abuse filters, as they have a rare false positive rate (and we can just unblock if there is a false positive). [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

:I stated it in the Discord server as well so I will partly repeat that here; I'm willing to serve if the community and current stewards are in favor of it, since I could bring some further useful experience and extra help especially now that Dmehus is not currently active and two of the other stewards have decreased activity. One of the stewards have expressed their endorsement beforehand, so I'm ultimately accepting. I shouldn't have a big issue with keeping up my activity either, though I'll otherwise resign if I end up not meeting my expected activity levels.

:Noting for transparency that I'm currently a steward for the Wikimedia projects as well as a sysop on the Swedish Wikipedia and Meta (and a CheckUser on the latter). [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

===Support===

{{Support}} I Do think we could use filter for that. --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 18:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

#{{Support}} as nominator. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''VancityRothaug''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:: Good idea, I had considered proposing this for a while but had never got around to it. Blocking is a restricted action though, so this will need to be closed by a stewards. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

#{{support|strong}} Irrespective of the NSS removal proposal, EPIC is a clearly suitable candidate, and will definitely help this wiki. Highly trustworthy. [[User:Bunnypranav|~/Bunnypranav]]:<[[User talk:Bunnypranav|ping]]> 08:16, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

::: We also need it because there is no way in hell I am doing [https://testwiki.wiki/images/a/a6/Spambots.png this] again. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 00:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

#{{s}} sure, good luck! [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:::: Geez, I normally mop up the mess the spambots make, and never have I had to give myself the bot flag, nor flood the log like that. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

#{{s}} Good luck! [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 19:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:'''Agree''', and prompt autoblocks will also prevent the spambots from creating new accounts on the same IP for 24 hours reducing the hit rate and making it easier to find any false positives. We can always tweak the filters that result in immediate blocks if problems occur. It may be advisable to limit blocks only to registered accounts for now since they are so far responsible for nearly all edits that trip the filter. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 23:15, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

#{{s}} Keep up the good work. -[[User:C1K98V|''C1K98V'']] ([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]]) 02:35, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} [[User:Bosco|Bosco]] ([[User talk:Bosco|talk]]) 08:51, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support}} [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support|strong}} Very trusted user and Steward on 2 wikifarms [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

===Abstain===

It looks like we had another Hell load of Bot accounts today and don't worry Nalekshu I can always do mass blocking if you need me to or want me to do it just Message me and I'll do it 🙂 --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 04:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]]) 12:59, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

===Oppose===

== Help, abuse filter blocked me ==

==IA changes==

Hi, this is administrator [[User:PorkchopGMX]] editing under a VPN, a different browser, and a new account. I was editing [[user:PorkchopGMX/researchertest|one of my subpages]], planning to delete it and use my [[User:PorkchopGMX test|test account]] to see what it would look like with the “researcher” user group, when the abuse filter thought I was spamming and blocked me indefinitely with autoblock. The only thing I can do right now (besides having to use a VPN) is to email somebody. I don’t know who I should email, so I’m doing this instead. If anybody is skeptical that this is really me, I do have access to my account and can email somebody if they need proof. [[User:PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once|PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once]] ([[User talk:PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once|talk]]) 16:15, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello.

In response to my [[Test Wiki:Request for permissions#BZPN|request]] for Interface Administrator rights, I have been asked (by @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]) to provide a list of at least three planned changes for review by other Interface Administrators. Below are the changes I intend to implement:

Hello i already unblocked your main account please Do not use a Vpn i will GO ahead and Unblock your ip aswell so you can edit --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 16:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

#In MediaWiki:Gadget-UserInfo.js, I plan to fix the electionadmin display so that it includes a link to [[TW:EADMIN]]. Additionally, the links in the script currently redirect to the title in the user's language instead of the correct translation of the page. I will fix this issue.

:Thank you Cocopuff2018, I’m unblocked now. [[User:PorkchopGMX|PorkchopGMX]] ([[User talk:PorkchopGMX|talk]]) 16:43, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

#The Twinkle gadget does not function at all. I intend to replace its content to load via mw.loader.load.

#I would like to convert my script for finding unused pages and files into a gadget.

== Proposal : Remove SocialProfile ==

#I plan to update my MassRollback gadget to a newer version.

#Similar to Twinkle, I would also like to replace the content of MediaWiki:Gadget-RedWarn.js to load via mw.loader.load, as it does not currently work properly.

Does anyone even like it? I would certainly support it being removed [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 22:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

:<s>I '''honestly don't care''' if it's removed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</s>

:Actually, I '''weakly oppose''' just for the communications options (userboard and such), if somebody wants a wiki user page, they get one, as there's a switch to toggle wiki userpages on. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:24, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

:: {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} No, it still leaves that stupid banner which people might not want and does random crap like auto-creating user pages and other clutter. It is simply a nuisance to this wiki. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 06:28, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

:I '''strongly support''' removing this extension, at least until such time as [[mw:Extension:SocialProfile|SocialProfile]]'s extension developers migrate the social profiles to a <code>UserProfile</code> namespace and move wiki user pages where they rightly belong, in <code>User</code> namespace. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

== "High chance of spam" filters and false positives ==

The spam filters have recently falsely blocked two users ([[User:PorkchopGMX]] and [[User:Dmehus]]) as spammers that were not. As a temporary solution [[User:MacFan4000]] has set them to just disallow again, but [https://testwiki.wiki/images/a/a6/Spambots.png they clearly need to block] provided we can remove false positives.

I suggest requiring 0 edits for block. Generally spambots trip this filter on their first edit, so anyone who has made any successful edits is likely not a spambot. Any other ideas? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

: The filter should also require the creation of a new page. It already does for one of the filters, but it should for the other too. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

: I'm a bit confused, perhaps. Wouldn't requiring 0 edits to block ''increase'' the false positive blocks? Administrators are active here, and can revert spam quickly. I'd suggest just setting it to either warn or disallow permanently, with anyone with <code>autopatrol</code> in their '''user_rights''' exempted from the filter. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

::I don't think so. Most administrators have more than 1 edit. I support requiring 0 edits. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

::: {{ping|Dmehus}} How would narrowing when blocks are placed increase false positives? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 00:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

:::: Well, in my case, I only had one edit, and maybe I'm not understanding the central idea idea, but wouldn't ''reducing'' the edit requirement mean I would've been blocked when I made my permission request? Note that I never tried to add an external link—it was just an [[Special:Interwiki|interwiki]] link. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

:::::No, because your permissions request didn’t contain anything that would trip the filter. Also, I just tested that change, and it doesn’t work because most spambots are seeming to first make a change to their SocialProfile, which I guess counts as an edit. Or at least & user_editcount == 0 nothing trips the filter when I test it. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]]) 13:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

::::::Oh, okay, well, I suppose it doesn't hurt to try it then, since you've tested the filter against recent edits. Plus, yeah, spam only accounts ''do'' tend add spammy links into their social profiles. Having said that, on some wikis on Miraheze what we do is simply add the SocialProfile-related rights to <code>autoconfirmed</code>, and that stops the spam only accounts cold, with minimal impacts on legitimate users. Also, if the above community proposal passes, this may end up being moot. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 15:57, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

:::::::If the above community proposal fails, I '''support''' moving updateprofile into autoconfirmed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

== Justarandomamerican request for stewardship (2) ==

Statement by requestor: I'd like to request the globe again. I've been active and taking out the trash, and now my account is not newly registered. CU and Oversight rights would be helpful in performing maintenance and counter-vandalism and spam. (which I regularly do) It's been approximately a month since my last request, and I feel I have addressed the opposing argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

===Support===

'''Procedural support''' as requestor and per my requesting argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

===Oppose===

I welcome any feedback or additional suggestions from the community. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:57, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

===Neutral/Abstain===

* I'm not familiar with this wiki's policy requirements on access to personally identifying information. If <code>suppressor</code> can be granted independent of <code>checkuser</code>, this is something I could potentially support. My interactions with you, assuming you're the same Justarandomliberal on Miraheze, have been fine, though I don't know you well enough to support for Steward on this wiki. At the same time, MacFan4000 and Void are active enough on this wiki to perform any CheckUser functions, I think. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:56, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

*'''Comment''':The requirements for PII here are just pretty much pass a RfS and follow the privacy policy. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

** {{ping|Dmehus}} Personally I think Oversight is a ''more'' larger deal than CheckUser. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

*** {{ping|Naleksuh}} Potentially, yes, that's true, though I'm not sure what information may have been suppressed. If it is IP addresses, largely, of users who edited while logged out, then it's probably the same. If it's grossly insulting and potentially libelous or defamatory information requiring suppression, then the concern for me is whether the user will be trusted not to divulge that information. The same is true of CheckUser, certainly, though. It's probably a wash, really, with you believing Oversight is the greater concern and me believing CheckUser is the greater concern. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

:LGTM. Per my comments on Discord, I don’t have any concerns regarding your knowledge or skill with IA tools, simply curious why you were socking on Miraheze. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:25, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I agree with Dmehus I feel we don't need more Stewards Sorry

:I believe stewards should grant you IA on a temporary basis at least. You clearly understand what you're doing, though the socking on Miraheze is a red flag. However, I don't think you'll cause immediate disruption to this project. [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 01:54, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{interface administrator granted}} [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you :). I'll get to work soon. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 13:56, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

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+==Proposal: Abolish the non-steward suppressor right==
-== Oversight role? ==
-{{ping|MacFan4000|Void}} Do you think it'd be possible to get an oversight role? [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 14:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
-:{{ping|Seemplez}} I'm just gonna bump in here, but there's no need for it right now. From what I've seen, everything is fine, and the CheckUser right isn't really needed either, the only use for the Steward permission is that it can revoke bureaucrat permissions from a user. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 17:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
-::I think we already have both kinds of oversight on this wiki, from google I saw https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/oversight which is revision deletion you should already be able to do the admin kind of revision deletion, there is also the suppress kind, which was done to a few entries a long time ago by MacFan4000, but for that you need to be in the [[Test Wiki:Suppress|suppress user group]] and only the stewards can assign that. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 18:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
-:If a steward thinks you should have it, and assigns it to you, or you become a steward, then yes. Otherwise, no. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
-:{{ping|Fast|Justarandomamerican|BlackWidowMovie0}} Thanks. [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 11:29, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
+This was already partly discussed in the Test Wiki Discord server, and I'm ultimately bringing it up here as a proposal for the community to comment on.
-== CheckUser testing ==
+Simply, I'd like to propose abolishing [[Test Wiki:Suppressors|non-steward suppressors]] on this wiki. We currently have two such users, me being one of them, but ultimately at this time, there is really not much need. There are mainly two factors to this, which I will be listing here.
-Currently, as shown in [[Special:ListGroupRights]], it seems that only bureaucrats may use the <code>checkuser-limited</code> permission. This permission allows checking oneself for the purpose of testing out the tool. It may be a good idea to grant this permission to administrators as administrators is the primary for-testing group here and it should not be necessary to request bureaucratship for testing. In addition, when it is only possible to check oneself there is very little capacity for damage (checking others will still be limited to Stewards).
+#The amount of suppressions, and especially suppression requests, are already low to this date. Except for two suppressions this month (one performed by me and the other by a steward), the last 50 suppressions date back to July last year, most of which were either reverted, performed as tests or performed for old edits/log entries.
+#The community is too small, and not large enough to justify having independent suppressors or checkusers. On a wiki as small as this one, it is likely best to center the suppression task to the stewards, both since they already are experienced with CU/OS and personal information, and considering that they have already been the ones mainly handling suppressions on this wiki either way. This would also be a benefit for the security aspects as well, even if compromises are indeed rare here.
+Potentially, the community could consider to instead elect new stewards with the inactivity of Dmehus and decreased activity of Justa and MacFan, but in the current state, there isn't really a need nor a community large enough to justify having NSS at this time, and I therefore propose to instead center this task to the stewards. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 13:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
-Opinions? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 22:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
-:Agree <code>checkuser-limited</code> is not really that sensitive, and certainly has less potential for damage than many of the other rights bundled with administrator. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 03:50, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
-:Agree. You can only test checkuser on yourself. Making a phabricator task..... [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:59, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
-::[https://phabricator.testwiki.wiki/T43 Phabricator task] [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
+*{{support}} - as proposer. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 13:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
-== [[User:CptViraj]] ==
+*:Just for the record I would also be fine with Drummingman's suggestion to let current NSS keep the rights. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 05:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
+:{{support}} <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 13:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
-Please delete my userpage, Thanks! -- [[User:CptViraj|CptViraj]] ([[User talk:CptViraj|talk]]) 05:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
+:{{support}} [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:00, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
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-*{{Done}} --[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 08:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
+:{{support}} -[[User:C1K98V|<b style="color:#FF0000">''C1K98V''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]])</sup> 02:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
+:{{support}} - However, my opinion is that the current two NSSs may retain their rights until they become stewards or resign, and that no new NSSs will be appointed. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
+:{{support}} Per Drummingman [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
+:{{support}} Drummingman’s alteration to the proposal. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:08, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
+==Nomination of [[User:EPIC]] for Stewardship==
-== Spam abuse filters ==
+As with the NSS removal, this was already partly discussed in the Test Wiki Discord server and I would like to officially create this nomination here on the community portal. I am hereby nominating [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] for a stewardship here on Test Wiki. I believe that they have shown extreme dedication to all the hats they hold both on Test Wiki and other, notable wikis and that they would be a perfect fit to help oversee the administration of Test Wiki, alongside with the other 3 stewards. As many of you may know, EPIC is also a steward on Wikimedia which I find to be a great achievement, further improving his experience. Please let me know if you have any other questions in the discussion below. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
-I'd like to propose that we enable automatic blocking on our anti-spam abuse filters, as they have a rare false positive rate (and we can just unblock if there is a false positive). [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
+:I stated it in the Discord server as well so I will partly repeat that here; I'm willing to serve if the community and current stewards are in favor of it, since I could bring some further useful experience and extra help especially now that Dmehus is not currently active and two of the other stewards have decreased activity. One of the stewards have expressed their endorsement beforehand, so I'm ultimately accepting. I shouldn't have a big issue with keeping up my activity either, though I'll otherwise resign if I end up not meeting my expected activity levels.
+:Noting for transparency that I'm currently a steward for the Wikimedia projects as well as a sysop on the Swedish Wikipedia and Meta (and a CheckUser on the latter). [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
+===Support===
-{{Support}} I Do think we could use filter for that. --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 18:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
+#{{Support}} as nominator. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
-:: Good idea, I had considered proposing this for a while but had never got around to it. Blocking is a restricted action though, so this will need to be closed by a stewards. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
+#{{support|strong}} Irrespective of the NSS removal proposal, EPIC is a clearly suitable candidate, and will definitely help this wiki. Highly trustworthy. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 08:16, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
-::: We also need it because there is no way in hell I am doing [https://testwiki.wiki/images/a/a6/Spambots.png this] again. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 00:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
+#{{s}} sure, good luck! [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
-:::: Geez, I normally mop up the mess the spambots make, and never have I had to give myself the bot flag, nor flood the log like that. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
+#{{s}} Good luck! [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
-:'''Agree''', and prompt autoblocks will also prevent the spambots from creating new accounts on the same IP for 24 hours reducing the hit rate and making it easier to find any false positives. We can always tweak the filters that result in immediate blocks if problems occur. It may be advisable to limit blocks only to registered accounts for now since they are so far responsible for nearly all edits that trip the filter. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 23:15, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
+#{{s}} Keep up the good work. -[[User:C1K98V|<b style="color:#FF0000">''C1K98V''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]])</sup> 02:35, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{s}} [[User:Bosco|Bosco]] ([[User talk:Bosco|talk]]) 08:51, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{support}} [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{support|strong}} Very trusted user and Steward on 2 wikifarms [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
+===Abstain===
-It looks like we had another Hell load of Bot accounts today and don't worry Nalekshu I can always do mass blocking if you need me to or want me to do it   just Message me and I'll do it  🙂 --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 04:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
-:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 12:59, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
+===Oppose===
-== Help, abuse filter blocked me ==
+==IA changes==
-Hi, this is administrator [[User:PorkchopGMX]] editing under a VPN, a different browser, and a new account. I was editing [[user:PorkchopGMX/researchertest|one of my subpages]], planning to delete it and use my [[User:PorkchopGMX test|test account]] to see what it would look like with the “researcher” user group, when the abuse filter thought I was spamming and blocked me indefinitely with autoblock. The only thing I can do right now (besides having to use a VPN) is to email somebody. I don’t know who I should email, so I’m doing this instead. If anybody is skeptical that this is really me, I do have access to my account and can email somebody if they need proof. [[User:PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once|PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once]] ([[User talk:PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once|talk]]) 16:15, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
+Hello.
+In response to my [[Test Wiki:Request for permissions#BZPN|request]] for Interface Administrator rights, I have been asked (by @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]) to provide a list of at least three planned changes for review by other Interface Administrators. Below are the changes I intend to implement:
-Hello i already unblocked your main account please Do not use a Vpn i will  GO ahead and Unblock your ip aswell so you can edit --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 16:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
+#In MediaWiki:Gadget-UserInfo.js, I plan to fix the electionadmin display so that it includes a link to [[TW:EADMIN]]. Additionally, the links in the script currently redirect to the title in the user's language instead of the correct translation of the page. I will fix this issue.
-:Thank you Cocopuff2018, I’m unblocked now. [[User:PorkchopGMX|PorkchopGMX]] ([[User talk:PorkchopGMX|talk]]) 16:43, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
+#The Twinkle gadget does not function at all. I intend to replace its content to load via mw.loader.load.
+#I would like to convert my script for finding unused pages and files into a gadget.
-== Proposal : Remove SocialProfile ==
+#I plan to update my MassRollback gadget to a newer version.
+#Similar to Twinkle, I would also like to replace the content of MediaWiki:Gadget-RedWarn.js to load via mw.loader.load, as it does not currently work properly.
-Does anyone even like it? I would certainly support it being removed [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 22:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
-:<s>I '''honestly don't care''' if it's removed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</s>
-:Actually, I '''weakly oppose''' just for the communications options (userboard and such), if somebody wants a wiki user page, they get one, as there's a switch to toggle wiki userpages on. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:24, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
-:: {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} No, it still leaves that stupid banner which people might not want and does random crap like auto-creating user pages and other clutter. It is simply a nuisance to this wiki. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 06:28, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
-:I '''strongly support''' removing this extension, at least until such time as [[mw:Extension:SocialProfile|SocialProfile]]'s extension developers migrate the social profiles to a <code>UserProfile</code> namespace and move wiki user pages where they rightly belong, in <code>User</code> namespace. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
-== "High chance of spam" filters and false positives ==
-The spam filters have recently falsely blocked two users ([[User:PorkchopGMX]] and [[User:Dmehus]]) as spammers that were not. As a temporary solution [[User:MacFan4000]] has set them to just disallow again, but [https://testwiki.wiki/images/a/a6/Spambots.png they clearly need to block] provided we can remove false positives.
-I suggest requiring 0 edits for block. Generally spambots trip this filter on their first edit, so anyone who has made any successful edits is likely not a spambot. Any other ideas? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
-: The filter should also require the creation of a new page. It already does for one of the filters, but it should for the other too. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
-: I'm a bit confused, perhaps. Wouldn't requiring 0 edits to block ''increase'' the false positive blocks? Administrators are active here, and can revert spam quickly. I'd suggest just setting it to either warn or disallow permanently, with anyone with <code>autopatrol</code> in their '''user_rights''' exempted from the filter. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
-::I don't think so. Most administrators have more than 1 edit. I support requiring 0 edits. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
-::: {{ping|Dmehus}} How would narrowing when blocks are placed increase false positives? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 00:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
-:::: Well, in my case, I only had one edit, and maybe I'm not understanding the central idea idea, but wouldn't ''reducing'' the edit requirement mean I would've been blocked when I made my permission request? Note that I never tried to add an external link&mdash;it was just an [[Special:Interwiki|interwiki]] link. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
-:::::No, because your permissions request didn’t contain anything that would trip the filter. Also, I just tested that change, and it doesn’t work because most spambots are seeming to first make a change to their SocialProfile, which I guess counts as an edit. Or at least & user_editcount == 0 nothing trips the filter when I test it. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 13:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
-::::::Oh, okay, well, I suppose it doesn't hurt to try it then, since you've tested the filter against recent edits. Plus, yeah, spam only accounts ''do'' tend add spammy links into their social profiles. Having said that, on some wikis on Miraheze what we do is simply add the SocialProfile-related rights to <code>autoconfirmed</code>, and that stops the spam only accounts cold, with minimal impacts on legitimate users. Also, if the above community proposal passes, this may end up being moot. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 15:57, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
-:::::::If the above community proposal fails, I '''support''' moving updateprofile into autoconfirmed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
-== Justarandomamerican request for stewardship (2) ==
-Statement by requestor: I'd like to request the globe again. I've been active and taking out the trash, and now my account is not newly registered. CU and Oversight rights would be helpful in performing maintenance and counter-vandalism and spam. (which I regularly do) It's been approximately a month since my last request, and I feel I have addressed the opposing argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
-===Support===
-'''Procedural support''' as requestor and per my requesting argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
-===Oppose===
+I welcome any feedback or additional suggestions from the community. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:57, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
-===Neutral/Abstain===
-* I'm not familiar with this wiki's policy requirements on access to personally identifying information. If <code>suppressor</code> can be granted independent of <code>checkuser</code>, this is something I could potentially support. My interactions with you, assuming you're the same Justarandomliberal on Miraheze, have been fine, though I don't know you well enough to support for Steward on this wiki. At the same time, MacFan4000 and Void are active enough on this wiki to perform any CheckUser functions, I think. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:56, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
-*'''Comment''':The requirements for PII here are just pretty much pass a RfS and follow the privacy policy. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
-** {{ping|Dmehus}} Personally I think Oversight is a ''more'' larger deal than CheckUser. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
-*** {{ping|Naleksuh}} Potentially, yes, that's true, though I'm not sure what information may have been suppressed. If it is IP addresses, largely, of users who edited while logged out, then it's probably the same. If it's grossly insulting and potentially libelous or defamatory information requiring suppression, then the concern for me is whether the user will be trusted not to divulge that information. The same is true of CheckUser, certainly, though. It's probably a wash, really, with you believing Oversight is the greater concern and me believing CheckUser is the greater concern. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
+:LGTM. Per my comments on Discord, I don’t have any concerns regarding your knowledge or skill with IA tools, simply curious why you were socking on Miraheze. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:25, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
-I'm sorry but I agree with Dmehus I feel we don't need more Stewards Sorry
+:I believe stewards should grant you IA on a temporary basis at least. You clearly understand what you're doing, though the socking on Miraheze is a red flag. However, I don't think you'll cause immediate disruption to this project. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 01:54, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
+:{{interface administrator granted}} [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
+::Thank you :). I'll get to work soon. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 13:56, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

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