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==UserRightsManager==
The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|the preferences]]. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


==Systemadministrator==


{{Ping|MacFan4000}} I would want to say that LisafBia, the two stewards (Drummingman and Justarandomamerican), and I, indicate that I voted, and all votes are oppose (formerly my vote was a neutral, but changed to oppose regarding most people's concerns). MacFan4000, you may have to close as unsuccessful. {{Ping|Justman10000}} If you have any further questions regarding this or want to vote on yourself, please state your questions below the votes in the "Questions by the candidate" section or take place of your vote here before MacFan4000 is closing it. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


== Name change request ==
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Good afternoon, {{Ping|MacFan4000}} & {{Ping|Dmehus}}.
I would like to be a system administrator so that I can also support at system configuration level... In addition to managing permissions, I would also keep the software, extensions and skins up to date and optimise the configurations!
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It would be really nice to get a chance 🙂 [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


I am requesting my Test Wiki username to be changed to '''Sav''' to closely reflect my personal name as Trayfel has no correlation to me.
:Did you know how to use Git, PHP, and SSH, and you are active on this wiki? Please see [[Project:System administrators]]. Also, it would be really nice for you to be a system administrator if you know understanding of Apache and a server (MariaDB/MySQL/PostgreSQL/SQLite). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::I already work with Linux Debian since 4 years! So yes 🙂 [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Are you aware that this very high trust permission can cause great damage if it's improperly used? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 17:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::I am aware of this! Yes [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::So, voting by the two stewards and by some users is required. If the votes are successful, then it goes to the system administrator to grant the permission or not. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::The votes are all oppose that it is likely to be unsuccessful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC) (sorry for the late signing)


Regards, [[User:Sav|Trayfel]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 13:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC).
===Voting===


:{{Ping|MacFan4000}} & {{Ping|Dmehus}} - Can this be done, please? [[User:Sav|Trayfel]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
::{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 19:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
== Restoration of my admin rights ==
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::Closed as per [[Special:Diff/23493|Mac's comment]] [[User:Sav|Trayfel]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:31, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
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Hello, a few days ago I had uploaded a screenshot I had taken of a porn site as a test of the upload function. I do admit that image was questionable and I probably should have used better judgement before deciding to upload it. However, I will not upload any images like that ever again and will continue to be clean in all my other tests here. May I please have my admin privileges back (they were revoked due to this situation)? [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 00:32, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:{{on hold}} - Considering this situation occurred this day, I do not feel you are ready. Can '''2''' other 'crats and/or a Steward please voice their opinion on this. [[User:Sav|Trayfel]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 00:34, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:: See [[Special:Diff/23468/23478]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 01:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::: I have also modified AF#88 so as to prevent future uploads, if any. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 01:20, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
*I don't trust her. And it's not matter of time. How many times do we have to be betrayed trust we put on her? I won't trust her unless she proves she '''changed''', and again, '''it's not matter of time'''.
*Since she's "'''[[Special:Diff/21214|Steward-managed]]'''" case and we [[Special:Diff/21619|can't]] make "community block"(even if we could, she would evade blocking anyway, as she did [[Special:PermaLink/22321#Sierpnia|here]]), I'm not inclined to be involved in her anymore. If steward think she should be granted permission, then they can do it as their responsibility. If she causes any trouble, then steward should take care of it as their responsibility. After all, she's "Steward-managed" user, isn't she?
*I think further RFP request shouldn't be handled. But since "I'm not inclined to be involved in her", I don't insist. If steward/community decides otherwise, then it's fine.--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 01:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
So if I ask for admin or bureaucrat, only a steward should handle those requests? [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 13:42, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
:Due to continued misuse of tools and ignoring of people, I have decided to apply an indefinite block. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:26, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you Mac, much appreciated. [[User:Sav|Trayfel]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:31, 27 June 2022 (UTC){{discussionbottom}}
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== Proposed amendment to [[Test Wiki:Bots]] ==
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::No consensus and insufficient participation to form consensus. While there are sound reasons for this to be added, this seems to be a bit of putting the proverbial cart before the horse. In other words, until we have clear bot approval criteria, how do we enforce this, which is what I suspect [[User:Chrs|Chrs]] means by this (at least in part). [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:47, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
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=== Proposal ===
I propose that [[Template:Emergency-user-block|this]] template be added to every [[Test Wiki:Bots|Bot]] account that is created.
<br>This would be in line with [[W:Template:Emergency-bot-shutoff|Wikipedia's bot shutoff]] template. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 20:00, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
'''Rationale:'''
* Provides Administrators & 'crats with a simple way to block a malfunctioning bot account.
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==== Neutral/Abstain ====
==== Oppose ====
:{{Oppose}} While such templates can be helpful, I don't see a compelling need to enforce this as policy. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Chrs]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 04:01, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
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== Stewardship request (LisafBia) ==
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::A [[w:WP:AGF|good-faith]] request by [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] for [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Stewardship]]; however, as several participants have noted, they are not sufficiently satisified as to LisafBia's ''reason'' for requesting Stewardship and, by extension of the same token, to there not being a sufficient ''need''. Given that the only other participant, '''Matttest''', who asked questions but has not yet expressed a view either way, is now [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] blocked for abusing multiple accounts in a duplicitous manner, this is unlikely to be successful. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:52, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, there are few stewards on the wiki, I want to help the wiki, please vote! [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 12:14, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
=== Support ===
=== Oppose ===
{{oppose}} You have not given a plausible reason for you wanting Stewardship. I believe, in my honest opinion, we do not need another Steward. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:04, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
:: {{reply|Sav}} There are few stewards on the wiki and I want to be able to help this wiki, I know the policies. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 17:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
::: {{reply|LisafBia}} You have '''still not''' given reasoning for your request for stewardship. Saying things like "I want to be able to help this wiki, I know the policies" does not convince me you are suitable for Stewardship. I will not be changing my vote, you are not suitable for the rights in my opinion. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 06:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
{{oppose}} No use case was presented to my question/comment, and this wiki is not in urgent need of more stewards, who have extremely advanced permissions. The ability to help out with the wiki is already granted to sysops and bureaucrats, while being test permissions, have broad authority to take non-test action. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
=== Comment ===
#{{comment}} and '''Question''': Stewards have highly advanced permissions such as access to a user's IP and previously suppressed edits, along with the ability to suppress edits. Do you specifically need those highly advanced permissions for a particular use case? Or do you simply wish to help out? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:35, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
#:: {{reply|Justarandomamerican}} I would prefer to use those powers '''only when needed.''' [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 10:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
# In what situation will you use the CheckUser tools? What's the purpose of CheckUser? --[[User:Matttest|Matttest]] ([[User talk:Matttest|talk]]) 07:57, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
# With the bureaucrat rights, you can already execute lpts of non-test actions. Which exact areas are you going to help out as a steward? --[[User:Matttest|Matttest]] ([[User talk:Matttest|talk]]) 07:57, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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== Technical question ==
Hello! On August 25th, I had undo the vandalism from a vandalism-only account. I deleted the user created pages with [[Special:Nuke]]. But I noticed in a CheckUser I did on myself for testing this week that at that moment the IP address changed automatically. Why did this happen? [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 18:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], with apologies for the delay in responding, can you clarify what you mean by this? If you're referring to your IP address being associated to other users and system users, this is a known issue, as far as I'm aware, and occurs with some extension (can't remember the details off the top of my head at the moment). I'll try and dig up the Wikimedia Phabricator task about it. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:53, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Dmehus}} Hello and welcome back! The hostname of one IP is "testwiki.wiki" and the ISP of some others is "Huawei International Pte. Ltd" and my device is Huawei. My normal IP was online from 9:48-10:06, just in between it also showed those system IPs every time I did a mass delete. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 19:59, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
:::[[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], thanks for the welcome! it's hard to know, specifically. I'm not sure if your ISP is Huawei International or not, and I suspect the CheckUser data retention on Test Wiki is only three months, so wouldn't have any way of confirming that now. I know there's an issue with importing pages whereby you import or transwiki pages from another another wiki and choose to assign edits locally where the same username exists on Test Wiki. Those imported usernames will show up associated to ''your'' IP address. Could that be the issue? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:03, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Dmehus}} I believe the error is because the pages I deleted were translations (created by the vandal) and had to be deleted manually. I don't think it's too serious but I support fixing the bug if there is one. Thanks! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 18:06, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
== False positives ==
{{ping|MacFan4000|Dmehus}} 52 filter constantly block users incorrectly. Please disable this filter.
[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 11:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]], I'd be fine with disabling this filter, if it's generating too many false positives, and I plan to be more active here, so can focus on running CheckUser on the obvious spambots and soft rangeblocking open proxies. Would anyone have any objections to this? [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:Q8j|Q8j]], [[User:Sav|Sav]], [[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]], and anyone else active here? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Dmehus}} I have no objection, I totally agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 13:22, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Dmehus}} No objection from me, I agree. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 16:32, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
== Can't log in to Phorge even with exactly the same password that I use there? ==
...see topic name. I tried it like 3 times, but it failed. I wanted to request merging of <code>autopatrol</code> and <code>autoreview</code> user groups. — [[User:Cruster|Cruster]] 19:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
* {{ping|MacFan4000}} — [[User:Cruster|Cruster]] 19:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
:You have to use the button that says sign in with mediawiki. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 22:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
== Stewardship request (Tm8150switch88) ==
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::No consensus along with the requester being blocked from the Wiki. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 09:55, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
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===Nomination===
I want to access advanced tools on The Test Wiki and to protect pages that allow only stewards, please vote. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 16:35, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
===Comments===
===Discussion===
===Votes===
====Support====
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*{{Oppose|Weak Oppose}} Hi, thanks for volunteering. Unfortunately, I must weakly oppose your request at this time due to lack of necessary trust or track record. I do not think you would take the site down, abuse your power in some other way, or go inactive suddenly, but you do not hold Stewardship here or administratorship elsewhere, and you don't have that long of a track record, so I cannot be sure. Consider this a moral support of sorts; I have no objection to another run in the medium-term future. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}} I don't see an actual need for the tools. — [[User:Cruster|Cruster]] 09:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
*:Like I said, I'd be happy to get a chance, and if you don't think I would abuse my power (which I wouldn't too), then what's the problem? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}} As Cruster, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 10:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
*::This permission is very powerful, can lock the database and have access to PHP, SSH, Git, and Github and even Apache and the server (MariaDB/MySQL/PostgreSQL/SQLite). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}} As Cruster and Drummingman. You could be a steward in a month or two. [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
*::System administratorship is a very powerful position. I prefer to err on the side of caution. Can you describe your previous experience with FiveM and Minecraft servers? Do you have PHP experience? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
#{{Oppose}} You are nowhere near active enough nor trusted enough to be granted such permissions. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 09:52, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
*:::For the networks, I installed and configured web applications and Minecraft plugins [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*::::Please refer to the following questions:
*::::*Do you have PHP experience?
*::::*Do you have SSH experience?
*::::*Do you have Git/Github experience?
*::::*To make it easier, it is recommended to use MariaDB, MySQL, SQLite, or PostgreSQL server and use Apache. Do you have experience and understanding of that?
*::::[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::::*Yes
*:::::*Yes
*:::::*Yes
*:::::*I have already used all of the mentioned database systems early, so... yes
*:::::[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 05:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{oppose}} Hi, nice that you signed up and want to get more involved, I can only appreciate that. But unfortunately, here and for this reason, I want to cast my dissenting vote. I am very reluctant to assign this role to someone I don't know well. Anyway, are you already a system administrator, steward or admin on a major wiki project somewhere? On a Wikimedia, Miraheze or other large wikifarm. On these wikis, you become one only after a thorough review and vote. To me, that is a hard requirement for a system administrator. SA has the unlimited power to shut down an entire wiki (database lock and unlock) block anyone and deny  or grant anyone user rights. Therefore, this right can only be granted to highly trusted users. Of course, this is separate from the technical side, which is also important. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 17:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*:Of course, yes, I agree. I absolutely vote and agree on {{Oppose}} but I gave the very strong oppose, biggest, strongest, ever. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{oppose|Strongly oppose}} It doesn't make much sense to give a user who has been a member for less than 1 month a higher level of authority than even the stewards such as the system administrator. You need to have 3 or more months of activity history. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 18:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*:Nowhere does it say anything about that... So... And is it so difficult to give someone a chance? It's not really motivating [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 18:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*::See what the text LisafBia and the 2 stewards said, plus the vote from me right below. Not satisfying and broken trust. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{oppose|Strongly, very strong, extreme, intense, super, mega, kilo, peta, peta, tera, tera, mega, mega, very strong, strongly, bigger, longer, and absolute oppose that is the biggest, longest, and strongest oppose that I will ever give}} Seriously?!? This user has no long history, new to this wiki, despite knowing PHP, SSH, and Git and needs more experience with Apache and a server (PostgreSQL, MariaDB, MySQL, SQLite). System administrator is a very powerful right, even more than interface administrator and especially intended to be more powerful than regular stewards, including grant or revocate anyone user rights, disable OAuth for a user, locking the database and have access to PHP, site-sensitive files, SSH, and Git as well as the server such as MySQL, MariaDB, PostgreSQL, and SQLite and Apache. They'll have access to DefaultSettings.php, LocalSettings.php, and NoLocalSettings.php. This right is extremely powerful. I hope this will be absolutely rejected. You'll hear no complaints from me. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{oppose|Strong oppose}} per {{tq|Drummingman and Justarandomamerican}}; Justaman10000 joined on test wiki sice 28 May 2024 (7 days) and I don't think they are really eligible for system administrator privileges for at this time and I don't think they are currently fulfill system admin's requirements. Happy testing ~~''<span style="background:#800080;border:1px solid #F62817;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Infinity|<span style="color:#00FF00">ínfínítу</span>]] • [[User talk:Infinity|<span style="color:#FF0000">[@píng mє]</span>]]</span>'' 03:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


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*<s>{{Neutral}} Used Linux Debian and may be trusted, but I don't know if completely trusted.[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</s>
 
*:I would be! I have already system-administered around 20 Minecraft and FiveM networks! Sure, this has nothing to do with MediaWiki itself, but it's about the principle! As I said, I would be happy to get a chance [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
=== Result ===
*::Possibly some enhanced trust would be needed. Try to think when you become a system administrator. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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*:::Vote since changed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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== User rights amendment ==
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::No consensus and insufficient participation, along with the OC being blocked from the Wiki. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 09:52, 7 November 2022 (UTC)  
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===Proposal===
{{ping|MacFan4000}} See if you could add extended confirmed to the wiki. They are automatically given to users at least 30 days and 500 edits. They could revoke or be given, even if it's less than 30 days and/or less than 500 edits. Revoking the extended confirmed status by the abuse filter action is given to abuse filters as well. Extended confirmed users could be able to edit pages with extended confirmed (or 30/500) protection. Administrators can also edit those pages, even those that are not have reached 30 days and 500 edits. They could be given by any administrator. If you have questions, leave it to my talk page. Thank you! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 16:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 
:See if you also could add template editor user right to the wiki. They are given to users per requests, but also be revoked. They are able to make pages that are template-protected. They could be given by any administrator. If you have questions, leave it to my talk page. Thank you!  [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 13:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


::See if you also could add edit filter managers and edit filter helpers to the wiki. They could be given or revoked even to someone that are not  admins. Edit filter helpers could help edit filter managers (but not to edit filter managers, a) (they could look at the spamlist log, b) (they could look at private filters, c) while edit filter managers could edit filters (and all edit filter managers are given edit filter helpers rights, d). They could be given by any administrator. If you have questions, leave it to my talk page. Thank you! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 13:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
====Comments====


:::See if you also could add the founder to the wiki. Those could edit all user rights, lock and unblock the database, and OAuth CAPTCHA pass. They are only given to system administrator and should not be added to anyone except the legitimate account [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]].  If you have questions, leave it to my talk page. Thank you! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 13:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
===Questions by the candidate===


::::See if you also could add test accounts to the wiki so they are used for testing purposes. They could be given by any administrator. If you have questions, leave it to my talk page. Thank you! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 13:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
What is actually so damn hard to understand about the sentence, ''It would be really nice to get a chance''? If you're only ever rejected, there comes a day when you don't want to do anything anywhere! Just give it a damn chance and let someone prove themselves... Is that so hard?


===Discussion===
It is the unlimited power, yes! But that way I could have proved myself directly! It's extremely unmotivating to first have to do what I know how many weeks or even months of preparatory work, only to probably be rejected again! --[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 05:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
I don't know why would this will ever be used on the test wiki, most "articles" on here are for tests only [[User:Lolkikmoddi|Lolkikmoddi]] ([[User talk:Lolkikmoddi|talk]])
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== question ==
:Hey there, I understand that it may be frustrating to you that you aren't getting a chance to be a system administrator, but this isn't the case for you alone. @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] had his request for stewardship denied once and withdrawn also.@[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] also had their request denied.I suggest you mingle with the community and try to spend more time here.Then, if you gain a fair position in the community, I will nominate you myself. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 06:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


what is "push subscription manager" group, thats all i have [[User:Lolkikmoddi|Lolkikmoddi]] ([[User talk:Lolkikmoddi|talk]])
===Questions for the candidate===
:I checked your user groups and nothing of the sort appears there. Can you elaborate? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 16:52, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Lolkikmoddi}} Information about that group is [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Push_subscription_managers here]. [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 16:58, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
::Whoever was using the [[User:Example|Example]] account to reply to this question, please refrain from doing so. The Example account is only for testing, not replying to users / editing pages. Know this for next time. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 07:08, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in the preferences. LisafBia (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Systemadministrator

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@MacFan4000: I would want to say that LisafBia, the two stewards (Drummingman and Justarandomamerican), and I, indicate that I voted, and all votes are oppose (formerly my vote was a neutral, but changed to oppose regarding most people's concerns). MacFan4000, you may have to close as unsuccessful. @Justman10000: If you have any further questions regarding this or want to vote on yourself, please state your questions below the votes in the "Questions by the candidate" section or take place of your vote here before MacFan4000 is closing it. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 20:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would like to be a system administrator so that I can also support at system configuration level... In addition to managing permissions, I would also keep the software, extensions and skins up to date and optimise the configurations!

It would be really nice to get a chance 🙂 Justman10000 (talk) 16:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Did you know how to use Git, PHP, and SSH, and you are active on this wiki? Please see Project:System administrators. Also, it would be really nice for you to be a system administrator if you know understanding of Apache and a server (MariaDB/MySQL/PostgreSQL/SQLite). Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 17:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I already work with Linux Debian since 4 years! So yes 🙂 Justman10000 (talk) 17:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Are you aware that this very high trust permission can cause great damage if it's improperly used? Codename Noreste 🤔 La Suma 17:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am aware of this! Yes Justman10000 (talk) 17:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So, voting by the two stewards and by some users is required. If the votes are successful, then it goes to the system administrator to grant the permission or not. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 17:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The votes are all oppose that it is likely to be unsuccessful. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC) (sorry for the late signing)Reply[reply]

Voting

Support

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  •   Weak Oppose Hi, thanks for volunteering. Unfortunately, I must weakly oppose your request at this time due to lack of necessary trust or track record. I do not think you would take the site down, abuse your power in some other way, or go inactive suddenly, but you do not hold Stewardship here or administratorship elsewhere, and you don't have that long of a track record, so I cannot be sure. Consider this a moral support of sorts; I have no objection to another run in the medium-term future. Justarandomamerican (talk) 17:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Like I said, I'd be happy to get a chance, and if you don't think I would abuse my power (which I wouldn't too), then what's the problem? Justman10000 (talk) 17:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This permission is very powerful, can lock the database and have access to PHP, SSH, Git, and Github and even Apache and the server (MariaDB/MySQL/PostgreSQL/SQLite). Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 17:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    System administratorship is a very powerful position. I prefer to err on the side of caution. Can you describe your previous experience with FiveM and Minecraft servers? Do you have PHP experience? Justarandomamerican (talk) 17:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    For the networks, I installed and configured web applications and Minecraft plugins Justman10000 (talk) 17:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Please refer to the following questions:
    • Do you have PHP experience?
    • Do you have SSH experience?
    • Do you have Git/Github experience?
    • To make it easier, it is recommended to use MariaDB, MySQL, SQLite, or PostgreSQL server and use Apache. Do you have experience and understanding of that?
    Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 01:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Yes
    • Yes
    • Yes
    • I have already used all of the mentioned database systems early, so... yes
    Justman10000 (talk) 05:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •   Oppose Hi, nice that you signed up and want to get more involved, I can only appreciate that. But unfortunately, here and for this reason, I want to cast my dissenting vote. I am very reluctant to assign this role to someone I don't know well. Anyway, are you already a system administrator, steward or admin on a major wiki project somewhere? On a Wikimedia, Miraheze or other large wikifarm. On these wikis, you become one only after a thorough review and vote. To me, that is a hard requirement for a system administrator. SA has the unlimited power to shut down an entire wiki (database lock and unlock) block anyone and deny or grant anyone user rights. Therefore, this right can only be granted to highly trusted users. Of course, this is separate from the technical side, which is also important. Drummingman (talk) 17:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Of course, yes, I agree. I absolutely vote and agree on   Oppose but I gave the very strong oppose, biggest, strongest, ever. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 01:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •   Strongly oppose It doesn't make much sense to give a user who has been a member for less than 1 month a higher level of authority than even the stewards such as the system administrator. You need to have 3 or more months of activity history. LisafBia (talk) 18:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Nowhere does it say anything about that... So... And is it so difficult to give someone a chance? It's not really motivating Justman10000 (talk) 18:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    See what the text LisafBia and the 2 stewards said, plus the vote from me right below. Not satisfying and broken trust. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 20:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •   Strongly, very strong, extreme, intense, super, mega, kilo, peta, peta, tera, tera, mega, mega, very strong, strongly, bigger, longer, and absolute oppose that is the biggest, longest, and strongest oppose that I will ever give Seriously?!? This user has no long history, new to this wiki, despite knowing PHP, SSH, and Git and needs more experience with Apache and a server (PostgreSQL, MariaDB, MySQL, SQLite). System administrator is a very powerful right, even more than interface administrator and especially intended to be more powerful than regular stewards, including grant or revocate anyone user rights, disable OAuth for a user, locking the database and have access to PHP, site-sensitive files, SSH, and Git as well as the server such as MySQL, MariaDB, PostgreSQL, and SQLite and Apache. They'll have access to DefaultSettings.php, LocalSettings.php, and NoLocalSettings.php. This right is extremely powerful. I hope this will be absolutely rejected. You'll hear no complaints from me. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 20:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •   Strong oppose per Drummingman and Justarandomamerican; Justaman10000 joined on test wiki sice 28 May 2024 (7 days) and I don't think they are really eligible for system administrator privileges for at this time and I don't think they are currently fulfill system admin's requirements. Happy testing ~~ínfínítу • [@píng mє] 03:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neutral

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Questions by the candidate

What is actually so damn hard to understand about the sentence, It would be really nice to get a chance? If you're only ever rejected, there comes a day when you don't want to do anything anywhere! Just give it a damn chance and let someone prove themselves... Is that so hard?

It is the unlimited power, yes! But that way I could have proved myself directly! It's extremely unmotivating to first have to do what I know how many weeks or even months of preparatory work, only to probably be rejected again! --Justman10000 (talk) 05:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey there, I understand that it may be frustrating to you that you aren't getting a chance to be a system administrator, but this isn't the case for you alone. @Justarandomamerican had his request for stewardship denied once and withdrawn also.@LisafBia also had their request denied.I suggest you mingle with the community and try to spend more time here.Then, if you gain a fair position in the community, I will nominate you myself. The AP (talk) 06:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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