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==Omnibus RfC: Unbundling abusefilter permissions from Administrators== | ==Omnibus RfC: Unbundling abusefilter permissions from Administrators== | ||
{{discussion top|Closing. The first proposal {{not done|has no consensus}}, and the second {{done|passes}}. Though there were alternates to the alternate proposal, they failed to gain sufficient consensus. I believe this is an action any reasonable Steward would take. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)}} | |||
<del> I would like to propose all of the following: 1: Unbundle all abusefilter-related (excluding basic rights already included in <code>*</code> or <code>user</code>) from the sysop group. | <del> I would like to propose all of the following: 1: Unbundle all abusefilter-related (excluding basic rights already included in <code>*</code> or <code>user</code>) from the sysop group. | ||
2. Bundle these rights into the Steward group. | 2. Bundle these rights into the Steward group. | ||
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:::::Are we circling back to the above proposal which was pile-on opposed? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC) | :::::Are we circling back to the above proposal which was pile-on opposed? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
::::::I meant the alternate proposal. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 04:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC) | ::::::I meant the alternate proposal. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 04:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
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Can anyone block me (until 5:00 UTC, May 12, 2024) as I have something important coming up and don't want to be distracted and kindly remove my permissions as well [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 15:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC) | Can anyone block me (until 5:00 UTC, May 12, 2024) as I have something important coming up and don't want to be distracted and kindly remove my permissions as well [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 15:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
:{{ping|Harvici}} Done.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 16:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC) | :{{ping|TheAstorPastor|label1=Harvici}} Done.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 16:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
==Phab help== | ==Phab help== | ||
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Is the "pywikibot" directory uploaded to the server? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 15:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC) | Is the "pywikibot" directory uploaded to the server? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 15:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
:And is it possible to get shell access? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 15:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC) | :And is it possible to get shell access? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 15:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
::{{ping|Harvici}} No.But you can use https://hub-paws.wmcloud.org/ for testing pwb.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 09:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC) | ::{{ping|TheAstorPastor|label1=Harvici}} No.But you can use https://hub-paws.wmcloud.org/ for testing pwb.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 09:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
::Not without becoming a [[Test Wiki:System administrators|system administrator]], no. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
==Harvici== | ==Harvici== | ||
{{userlinks|TheAstorPastor}} {{RfP apl}} | |||
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Recently [[User:Aviram7|Aviram7]] granted bureaucrat rights to his friend [[User:Rohit|Rohit]], but I removed it as it was a violation of the bureaucrat policy.Aviram7 is a trusted user with advanced rights like IA, and since he knew Rohit personally , I don't think there would be any disruption. Currently, the policy states that a {{tq|Steward may exempt a user they deem trustworthy from the above requirements}} and I propose that it should be changed to {{tq|A steward or a bureaucrat, as applicable, may exempt a user they deem trustworthy from the above requirements.}} [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 17:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC) | Recently [[User:Aviram7|Aviram7]] granted bureaucrat rights to his friend [[User:Rohit|Rohit]], but I removed it as it was a violation of the bureaucrat policy.Aviram7 is a trusted user with advanced rights like IA, and since he knew Rohit personally , I don't think there would be any disruption. Currently, the policy states that a {{tq|Steward may exempt a user they deem trustworthy from the above requirements}} and I propose that it should be changed to {{tq|A steward or a bureaucrat, as applicable, may exempt a user they deem trustworthy from the above requirements.}} [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 17:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
:No, I believe it's suitable staying as it is. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:There are 4 stewards. Ping us to request an exemption. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::{{Ping|Justarandomamerican|TheAstorPastor}} Hello there, I think it's need to change exemption, so, I request to you please change exemption. {{Thanks}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 02:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::You have your answer. Justa stated if you need someone exempted, ping a Steward. The policy won't be changed. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 11:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::Thank you for this information, so, I no need to request for exemption in crat's policy. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 11:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::If you want to request an exemption, you need to ping a Steward, as I have already said. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
==Rename request== | ==Rename request== | ||
Can my name be changed to "TheAstorPastor" as I adopted this name at Wikimedia projects and I plan to do so at Miraheze and similarly [[User: | Can my name be changed to "TheAstorPastor" as I adopted this name at Wikimedia projects and I plan to do so at Miraheze and similarly [[User:APBOT|Harvicibot]] to APBOT [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 17:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
:@[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]],@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 16:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC) | :@[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]],@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 16:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
::Done. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 17:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC) | ::Done. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 17:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC) | ||
:@[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], please change the name of the bot. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 05:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Also done now :). [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Thank you very much! [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:06, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
==Codename Noreste== | |||
{{userlinks|Codename Noreste}} {{RfP apl}} | |||
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'''Other comments''': Hello, everyone. I have been creating and modifying abuse filters for quite some time now, and I would like to apply for the abuse filter administrator right to assist in doing non-controversial changes (such as cleaning up unnecessary syntax) to filters that use restricted actions such as blocking, and to enable such actions to existing filters ''only'' when there's consensus to do so on the community portal. I understand that misusing this very high-trust permission may lead to revocation with or without warning, and outside of Test Wiki, I assist with abuse filters on some Wikimedia projects. Thank you. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 04:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:{{comment}} You should be a bit more active and make some more filter changes so that I know you know about the abuse filter. Thanks. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 08:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:{{oppose|Weakest oppose}} I know that you have experience with abusefilters here and on other wikis but I am only concerned about your activity levels, like in recent talk page messages to which you haven't responded [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 10:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:{{support|Weak support}} I know that @Codename Noreste has a fair amount of experience with the abuse filter tool, but his ability to work here on a regular basis is not very high; if he promises that he will work on the test wiki regularly, but I guess I'd be happy to see how he works with the abuse filter here, then he might be granted abuse-filter admin permission for a limited time. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 11:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:{{support}}. One of our most trusted filter editors. The permission can be revoked if not actively used. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
==Internal error== | |||
Hello guys, when you open [[Newsletter:TestWiki Admin Newsletter]] you will notice an internal error is displayed, Does any one know about this or maybe it is an error developed during the addition of abusefilter groups to LocalSettings.php? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 05:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:@[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ,please look into it [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 11:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Very strange. Unfortunately I'm not sure that I can fix it, I'm not seeing anything obvious. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::@[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] I think there is some issue with content serialization.Just check if the [[mw:Extension:Newsletter|Extension:Newsletter]] is upto date, and if possible, to get more insight to errors, please add the following lines to LocalSettings.php to enable detailed debugging | |||
:::$wgShowExceptionDetails = true; | |||
:::$wgShowSQLErrors = true; | |||
:::$wgDebugDumpSql = true; | |||
:::$wgDebugLogFile = "/path/to/debug.log"; [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 12:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
==Suggestions to the abuse filter administrator role and revocation criteria== | |||
Since the abuse filter administrator role has so many rights that administrators and stewards already have but the abusefilter-modify-restricted, I suggest we remove every right from that role but keep the abusefilter-modify-restricted right. I would also suggest the following to include the revocation criteria: | |||
*Has a pattern of activating restricted actions without first determining consensus | |||
*The abuse filter administrator fails to exercise sufficient care when creating or modifying filters with restricted actions, resulting in innocent users being blocked or their autoconfirmed rights revoked | |||
Any suggestions in addition to my criteria addition, as well as making the abuse filter page an official policy? Thank you. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 04:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I am supportive of those revocation criteria being applied in a reviewable manner by individual Stewards. However, I would like to suggest that more information be added to the page before it becomes an official policy/guideline. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC) | |||