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:As X and Justa have already stated: "Once chance and no appeals if conditions are at all broken." [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
:As X and Justa have already stated: "Once chance and no appeals if conditions are at all broken." [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
::I have re-revoked TPA, stewards can reverse at will. [[User:Seawolf35|Seawolf35]] ([[User talk:Seawolf35|talk]]) 22:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
::I have re-revoked TPA, stewards can reverse at will. [[User:Seawolf35|Seawolf35]] ([[User talk:Seawolf35|talk]]) 22:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
:Steward note, evidence has been received of this user targeting a racial slur at Miraheze stewards and CVT members in an apparent attempt to badger them into an unlock of her account. Therefore, she is indefinitely blocked from Test Wiki. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:02, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for this update. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 17:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
:::Talk page revocation is reasonable. Ideally, I prefer talk page revocation via page protection, so a reasonable protection level timeframe (usually 30-60 days) can be set. I have also allowed the user limited, reasonable use of [[Special:EmailUser]] to appeal their block (no more than one appeal within thirty days) and so discourage them from creating sockpuppet accounts. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
::::Dmehus, Piccadilly should not be permitted to appeal their indefinite block. As per Justarandomamerican's comment stating '''she is indefinitely blocked from Test Wiki''', along with '''evidence has been received of this user targeting a racial slur at Miraheze stewards and CVT members''', it is clear that rehabilitation into the community should not be considered. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::It is possible that you could convince the community to [[Test Wiki:Blocks and bans|ban]] her on [[Test Wiki:Community portal]], which would require an appeal to be forwarded to the community. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
::::::She is already community banned. Per [[Test Wiki:Blocks and bans]], "Bans may be implied (most often by the community declining an unblock request) or explicit." Thus, the community '''must''' be consulted before unblocking [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 11:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{Ping|X|Sav}} I'd have to disagree with you, X. The community has never declined an unblock request or explicitly banned her, and a reasonable administrator may be willing to unblock her. You'd need to request a ban on the community portal, Sav/X. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I'll request a ban on the community portal, thank you. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 01:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::[[Test_Wiki:Community_portal#Request_for_Block_Against_Piccadilly|Done]] [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 01:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::[[User:Sav|Sav]], I think you misunderstood. Being ''allowed'' to appeal a currently indefinite block '''does not''' mean the appeal will be ''successful''. They appealed their block over a month ago (or so), and it's ''not'' been removed, fundamentally, because, as Stewards, we agree they're '''not ready'''. When we ''do'' feel they're ready, I'd be happy, and am sure Justarandomamerican and Drummingman would be happy to ''consult'' with the community on what restrictions are needed, the duration of such restrictions, and a timeline for a gradual removal, as well as penalties for contravention. Allowing appeals is an important part of '''due process'''; to ''not'' allow an appeal, we'd be no better than, say, a totalitarian state like North Korea or even Russia, for that matter. At the end of the day, it's about balancing both '''due process''' as well as getting community feedback to ensure the user can be reintegrated. As to the racist slurs and racially insensitive comments, I am well of those. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] goes by [[w:User:Skiyomi|Skiyomi]] on English Wikipedia. I've told them before it's '''not''' acceptable behaviour, will be revision deleted, and is grounds for immediate rights revocation and/or blocking or partial blocking as necessary. I know they don't ''mean'' them, and the user has said in our <code>#testadminwiki</code> IRC channel that they struggle with autism. I take them at face value and am happy to extend [[w:WP:AGF|good-faith]] and grace, to a point. We're at the point right now where they need to remain blocked for an extended period of time, to demonstrate to Stewards, and, by extension, the community, they have the ''capacity'' to learn. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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