User talk:BlackWidowMovie0: Difference between revisions

:::{{ping|Naleksuh}} My goal is to get the 'crat right so I can test the advanced tools on there that sysop perms cannot. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 19:15, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

::::Thanks for your answer. Now let's discuss the obstacles in the path there.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>As a quick point, Naleksuh is absolutely right, while not block evasion the new account was indeed a [[:meatball:SockPuppet|SockPuppet]], and your creation of it furthers the notion in others that you lack a solid understanding of community norms and expectations.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>Thus far you have demonstrated a desire (and I'm only talking about your history here), to exercise the tools you've been allotted outside of a testing environment, however in so doing you have occasionally employed them in an inappropriate manner thereby unintentionally disrupting the normal workflow of the wiki and creating more work for others. Further you sometimes demonstrate excessive pique even verging on a "my way or the highway" attitude when your fellow community members try to find a way forward to allow you to continue to use the tools while avoiding problems by setting some explicit limits on your activities.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>This brings us to why the community is reluctant to grant you the crat flag. It's important to understand that the crat flag doesn't really offer that many additional tools (the complete list is [[Special:ListGroupRights#bureaucrat|here]]), and some of the ones it does have similar functionality to the tools already in the sysop kit (e.g. <code>deletelogentry</code> works in essentially the same manner as <code>deleterevision</code>). So there isn't much to be gained by testing them. The ones that are kind of differrent like <code>editinterface</code> and <code>editsitejson</code>, could in the hands of someone who makes well-intentioned but nonetheless erronous use of them cause considerable problems. Since there is neither confidence that you will voluntarily confine your use of these tools to testing, nor that you will be willing to accept limitations on their use, others are uncomfortable giving them to you.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>It's important to remember that trust is not static, it can change over time. In addition trust is situational, I may trust a mechanic to operate on my engine, but not my heart. I don't think people are going to be comfortable with you using sensitive tools outside the testing environment anytime soon. But with some clear limitations you may be regranted them for testing in the near future, but only after its evident you won't randomly run off and use them incorrectly. So I hope I've fairly explained the concerns here.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>Part of offering fair process is engagement I want to let yet have input here, but my initial suggestion is to just pause for now (what cause have you to hurry?). You can continue to test things here like templates and scripts that don't require any tools; we can discuss the exact timetable, because you should have a clear expectation of when it's OK to ask for more, and if there are no issues we put the sysop flag back on your account with clear limitations on the use of tools, set a another timetable, and if everything looks good go ahead and grant 'crat for a day or so and assuming that goes well, and you still feel the need to test things here on an ongoing basis then we can address giving the flag with no strings attached, I think this is reasonable, but I'm open to further suggestion.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>So I understand that conflicts are no fun, but please [[:CommunityWiki:DontHateThePlayer|don't take it personally]]; everyone wants to help you become a better WikiCitizen, we're just not quite sure how. Best, [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 00:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)