User talk:BlackWidowMovie0: Difference between revisions

::::Thanks for your answer. Now let's discuss the obstacles in the path there.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>As a quick point, Naleksuh is absolutely right, while not block evasion the new account was indeed a [[:meatball:SockPuppet|SockPuppet]], and your creation of it furthers the notion in others that you lack a solid understanding of community norms and expectations.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>Thus far you have demonstrated a desire (and I'm only talking about your history here), to exercise the tools you've been allotted outside of a testing environment, however in so doing you have occasionally employed them in an inappropriate manner thereby unintentionally disrupting the normal workflow of the wiki and creating more work for others. Further you sometimes demonstrate excessive pique even verging on a "my way or the highway" attitude when your fellow community members try to find a way forward to allow you to continue to use the tools while avoiding problems by setting some explicit limits on your activities.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>This brings us to why the community is reluctant to grant you the crat flag. It's important to understand that the crat flag doesn't really offer that many additional tools (the complete list is [[Special:ListGroupRights#bureaucrat|here]]), and some of the ones it does have similar functionality to the tools already in the sysop kit (e.g. <code>deletelogentry</code> works in essentially the same manner as <code>deleterevision</code>). So there isn't much to be gained by testing them. The ones that are kind of differrent like <code>editinterface</code> and <code>editsitejson</code>, could in the hands of someone who makes well-intentioned but nonetheless erronous use of them cause considerable problems. Since there is neither confidence that you will voluntarily confine your use of these tools to testing, nor that you will be willing to accept limitations on their use, others are uncomfortable giving them to you.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>It's important to remember that trust is not static, it can change over time. In addition trust is situational, I may trust a mechanic to operate on my engine, but not my heart. I don't think people are going to be comfortable with you using sensitive tools outside the testing environment anytime soon. But with some clear limitations you may be regranted them for testing in the near future, but only after its evident you won't randomly run off and use them incorrectly. So I hope I've fairly explained the concerns here.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>Part of offering fair process is engagement I want to let yet have input here, but my initial suggestion is to just pause for now (what cause have you to hurry?). You can continue to test things here like templates and scripts that don't require any tools; we can discuss the exact timetable, because you should have a clear expectation of when it's OK to ask for more, and if there are no issues we put the sysop flag back on your account with clear limitations on the use of tools, set a another timetable, and if everything looks good go ahead and grant 'crat for a day or so and assuming that goes well, and you still feel the need to test things here on an ongoing basis then we can address giving the flag with no strings attached, I think this is reasonable, but I'm open to further suggestion.<div style="margin-top:.5em"></div>So I understand that conflicts are no fun, but please [[:CommunityWiki:DontHateThePlayer|don't take it personally]]; everyone wants to help you become a better WikiCitizen, we're just not quite sure how. Best, [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 00:17, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|Fast}} I don't see an issue with that. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 20:22, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

== Sysop permissions ==

:: {{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} Put simply, you ''were'' given multiple chances. You certainly had multiple chances to stop editing disruptively and did not take them, exhausting multiple warnings and even reinstating undone disruptive edits. Any new user would have been blocked for that as well. In addition, your sockpuppet accounts such as [[User_talk:Quarter4VCS]] also received such warnings even when others were not aware it was you (although it was identified as a sockpuppet of you before enough had been exhausted to warrant a block). You have been given what is frankly far too many chances, and used up all of them. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Cocopuff2018}} I will note that you hadn't entered this wiki when I joined, so I don't see a need for you to comment on anything before the point of time in which you joined this community. You don't know the history, so you cannot contribute constructively to this conversation as of this moment. I am not going to remove your comment, even though I am well within my own rights, per [[w:WP:TALK|talk page guidelines]], as I believe you may be able to comment constructively in the future. For now, though, please refrain from messaging here, as this is outside your area of knowledge. Best, - [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 23:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

{{ping|BlackWidowMovie0}} but you were given multiple Chances and have done nothing to improve except Disruptive edit, And we have proof of your long term disruptive edit's also please be aware Removing Comments is unacceptable and this conversation is not debatable as i mentioned above you can edit when your block expires..  Also I am allowed to be in this Conversation As I am an admin --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 00:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

: Simply stating that you "have reviewed policies" is rather unconvincing, ideally you would address the reason for the block and show why the incidents will not occur again. Regardless if there was only a day left, it would have been simpler for you to wait the rest of it out. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 18:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

::Please note that I have decided to extend your block to indefinite as well as revoke talk page access. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ^{([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])} 21:27, 5 January 2021 (UTC)