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I would like to propose a site ban of Piccadilly for an indefinite period of time, as the person who posted the block appeal and found CheckUser evidence. Piccadilly, you should take a break from wikis and prove you can stop socking. The fact that you used IPs to evade your block is utterly unacceptable, as you know the consequences of block evasion and sockpuppetry. You also seem to lack the ability to stop yourself, which is [[WP:WP:CIR|required]] if you want to be here, and you lacking it has caused severe disruption. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC) | I would like to propose a site ban of Piccadilly for an indefinite period of time, as the person who posted the block appeal and found CheckUser evidence. Piccadilly, you should take a break from wikis and prove you can stop socking. The fact that you used IPs to evade your block is utterly unacceptable, as you know the consequences of block evasion and sockpuppetry. You also seem to lack the ability to stop yourself, which is [[WP:WP:CIR|required]] if you want to be here, and you lacking it has caused severe disruption. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC) | ||
* '''Support''' as such behavior is really unacceptable. [[User: | * '''Support''' as such behavior is really unacceptable. [[User:Codename Norte|64andtim]] ([[User talk:Codename Norte|talk]]) 08:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC) | ||
* I don't know the circumstances that gave rise to their original block, or whether the block was imposed by a mainly testing permissions [[Test Wiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]] or [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]. '''''If''''', and '''''only if''''', the original indefinite block was either (a) made by a Steward directly or (b) reviewed thoroughly and endorsed by a Steward, '''''then''''' I '''support''' an indefinite block (you can call it a ''ban'', if you want, but I don't personally like the word ''ban'' as that implies permanence here and we also don't have a "site ban" policy (nor do I think we need one), provided it's a steward-imposed indefinite block/''ban'' that carries the community's endorsement but would '''oppose''' any sort of "community ban" as, fundamentally, I tend to oppose community bans for the following several reasons, notably: | * I don't know the circumstances that gave rise to their original block, or whether the block was imposed by a mainly testing permissions [[Test Wiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]] or [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]. '''''If''''', and '''''only if''''', the original indefinite block was either (a) made by a Steward directly or (b) reviewed thoroughly and endorsed by a Steward, '''''then''''' I '''support''' an indefinite block (you can call it a ''ban'', if you want, but I don't personally like the word ''ban'' as that implies permanence here and we also don't have a "site ban" policy (nor do I think we need one), provided it's a steward-imposed indefinite block/''ban'' that carries the community's endorsement but would '''oppose''' any sort of "community ban" as, fundamentally, I tend to oppose community bans for the following several reasons, notably: | ||
*# Philosophically speaking, we elect amongst ourselves Stewards, whom we entrust to make these decisions. Each Steward has different criteria for effecting certain user control measures in terms of restriction, severity, and duration. Users are always provided an opportunity to appeal, then an uninvolved Steward should review the circumstances and decide whether the sanction is appropriate, restorative and protective but, crucially, ''not'' punitive. If we're to then second guess ourselves and defer to the community on every major user control decision, what is the purpose of Stewards after all? | *# Philosophically speaking, we elect amongst ourselves Stewards, whom we entrust to make these decisions. Each Steward has different criteria for effecting certain user control measures in terms of restriction, severity, and duration. Users are always provided an opportunity to appeal, then an uninvolved Steward should review the circumstances and decide whether the sanction is appropriate, restorative and protective but, crucially, ''not'' punitive. If we're to then second guess ourselves and defer to the community on every major user control decision, what is the purpose of Stewards after all? | ||
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:{{not done}} as suppressor is not a test right and will not be given to those who are not stewards or community elected non-steward suppressors, for obvious privacy concerns. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC) | :{{not done}} as suppressor is not a test right and will not be given to those who are not stewards or community elected non-steward suppressors, for obvious privacy concerns. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
::One question: as the suppressor right isn't a test right, is the non-steward suppressor right also a non-test right? – [[User: | ::One question: as the suppressor right isn't a test right, is the non-steward suppressor right also a non-test right? – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 20:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::Indeed. And therefore it is not meant to be tested. It is meant only for serious suppression. | :::Indeed. And therefore it is not meant to be tested. It is meant only for serious suppression. | ||
:::The user right is not intended as a test flag like most roles here. It is intended only for serious suppression. System administrator, steward, checkuser, suppressor and non-steward suppressor are emphatically not test roles. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC) | :::The user right is not intended as a test flag like most roles here. It is intended only for serious suppression. System administrator, steward, checkuser, suppressor and non-steward suppressor are emphatically not test roles. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
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Any inputs or concerns about this? If there are no objections, I'll be happy to do those changes in a few days. Thanks. – [[User: | Any inputs or concerns about this? If there are no objections, I'll be happy to do those changes in a few days. Thanks. – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:As the original creator of the customized warning, I {{support|support}} this change. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | :As the original creator of the customized warning, I {{support|support}} this change. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | ::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
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:{{support}} 1 as proposer. 3 months seems plenty enough, rather than the 1 year inactivity period granted to Stewards and Sysadmins. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | :{{support}} 1 as proposer. 3 months seems plenty enough, rather than the 1 year inactivity period granted to Stewards and Sysadmins. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:{{support}} option #1 per Justa. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | :{{support}} option #1 per Justa. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:{{support}} the #1 option. – [[User: | :{{support}} the #1 option. – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
{{discussion bottom}} | {{discussion bottom}} | ||
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I was thinking if I could import the Edit filter warning template from the English Wikipedia, but leave out the report error since there is no edit filter false positive page on Test Wiki. Any inputs, concerns or objections? | I was thinking if I could import the Edit filter warning template from the English Wikipedia, but leave out the report error since there is no edit filter false positive page on Test Wiki. Any inputs, concerns or objections? | ||
When triggering an abuse filter, it shows a red box with text; maybe we could add that proposed template under the name "Abuse filter warning", and protect it under an appropriate protection as a high-risk template? Thank you. – [[User: | When triggering an abuse filter, it shows a red box with text; maybe we could add that proposed template under the name "Abuse filter warning", and protect it under an appropriate protection as a high-risk template? Thank you. – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:We can also redirect people to here (the community portal) to report false positives, or to contact an administrator directly. I think having some form of template would make things easier, so no objections. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | :We can also redirect people to here (the community portal) to report false positives, or to contact an administrator directly. I think having some form of template would make things easier, so no objections. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
::One more question: is bureaucrat protection appropriate when protecting a high-risk template? – [[User: | ::One more question: is bureaucrat protection appropriate when protecting a high-risk template? – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::In this case, it would be, since the template would be used in the interface, and not protecting it as such would allow users without the edit interface right to edit the interface. You can use discretion when protecting pages. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | :::In this case, it would be, since the template would be used in the interface, and not protecting it as such would allow users without the edit interface right to edit the interface. You can use discretion when protecting pages. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
::::Fine by me! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | ::::Fine by me! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::::Since there are no objections, I'll implement them, but do we keep the report error button that can redirect here to the community portal or not? – [[User: | :::::Since there are no objections, I'll implement them, but do we keep the report error button that can redirect here to the community portal or not? – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 15:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
::::::Yes, you can redirect it to the community portal. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:44, 27 January 2024 (UTC) | ::::::Yes, you can redirect it to the community portal. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:44, 27 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:{{done}}, but it took a little bit of trial and error for the url to actually work. – [[User: | :{{done}}, but it took a little bit of trial and error for the url to actually work. – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 16:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
==Mobile edit== | ==Mobile edit== | ||
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Confirmed users and sysops may edit user pages, but they may not add {{tl|unlocked userpage}} on a random user page; it may only be done by the user themselves or a steward. | Confirmed users and sysops may edit user pages, but they may not add {{tl|unlocked userpage}} on a random user page; it may only be done by the user themselves or a steward. | ||
Any opinions or input? Thanks. – [[User: | Any opinions or input? Thanks. – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 19:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:LGTM. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | :LGTM. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
::Mind if I test adding the unlocked userpage template on your userpage if this can be prevented by the filter? – [[User: | ::Mind if I test adding the unlocked userpage template on your userpage if this can be prevented by the filter? – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 19:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::Go ahead. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | :::Go ahead. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
::::Per [[Special:AbuseLog/5852]], the filter is working as intended. – [[User: | ::::Per [[Special:AbuseLog/5852]], the filter is working as intended. – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 19:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
==Piccadilly socks== | ==Piccadilly socks== | ||
I'm going to be combing over the logs and trying to compile a list of all the account Piccadilly has used and block them all with the same reason. I then might make some LTA pages like Wikipedia has to inform people of a little more about how to detect and deal with specific LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | I'm going to be combing over the logs and trying to compile a list of all the account Piccadilly has used and block them all with the same reason. I then might make some LTA pages like Wikipedia has to inform people of a little more about how to detect and deal with specific LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:Maybe should we disable filter 92? The target of the filter hasn't returned since 2022. – [[User: | :Maybe should we disable filter 92? The target of the filter hasn't returned since 2022. – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 23:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
::It is very specific and isn't hurting anything as is so I don't know if there's really a need to disable it. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 23:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ::It is very specific and isn't hurting anything as is so I don't know if there's really a need to disable it. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 23:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::You know what? I agree, maybe we should keep it enabled. – [[User: | :::You know what? I agree, maybe we should keep it enabled. – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 23:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
::::Yeah, they were a pretty big issue "back in the day". Would hate to have them come back because they know our protection has been disabled. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 23:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ::::Yeah, they were a pretty big issue "back in the day". Would hate to have them come back because they know our protection has been disabled. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 23:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::::{{done}}, feel free to improve. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | :::::{{done}}, feel free to improve. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
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==Abuse filter request== | ==Abuse filter request== | ||
I'm not quite confident in using <del>regex</del> <ins>the abuse filter rules</ins> yet, so can someone who is create an abuse filter that disallows common phrases used by [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]? Check their deleted contributions for details (and most things they do that need to be disallowed need no exceptions.) [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC) edited to correct 02:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | I'm not quite confident in using <del>regex</del> <ins>the abuse filter rules</ins> yet, so can someone who is create an abuse filter that disallows common phrases used by [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]? Check their deleted contributions for details (and most things they do that need to be disallowed need no exceptions.) [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC) edited to correct 02:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:I'm not really familiar with regex, but I can design the code and body of said filter. Will create it, but someone else may need to create the regex. – [[User: | :I'm not really familiar with regex, but I can design the code and body of said filter. Will create it, but someone else may need to create the regex. – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 02:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
::Thanks! I'm not too inclined in the specifics, so likely made a mistake in saying regex, AbuseFilter rules are a custom language. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | ::Thanks! I'm not too inclined in the specifics, so likely made a mistake in saying regex, AbuseFilter rules are a custom language. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::I have done a lot of trial and error with abuse filters, so I've managed to gather a little knowledge. I can help too! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | :::I have done a lot of trial and error with abuse filters, so I've managed to gather a little knowledge. I can help too! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
::::Will create the message later targeted not just for the intended target, but for all LTAs. In addition, another special message if the filter is set to both disallow and block. – [[User: | ::::Will create the message later targeted not just for the intended target, but for all LTAs. In addition, another special message if the filter is set to both disallow and block. – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 02:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
:::::Never mind, looks like filter 88 is active. – [[User: | :::::Never mind, looks like filter 88 is active. – [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 05:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC) | ||
==[[User:Void]]== | ==[[User:Void]]== | ||