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{{ping|MacFan4000|Void}} Do you think it'd be possible to get an oversight role? [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 14:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
{{ping|MacFan4000|Void}} Do you think it'd be possible to get an oversight role? [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 14:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Seemplez}} I'm just gonna bump in here, but there's no need for it right now. From what I've seen, everything is fine, and the CheckUser right isn't really needed either, the only use for the Steward permission is that it can revoke bureaucrat permissions from a user. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 17:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Seemplez}} I'm just gonna bump in here, but there's no need for it right now. From what I've seen, everything is fine, and the CheckUser right isn't really needed either, the only use for the Steward permission is that it can revoke bureaucrat permissions from a user. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 17:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
::I think we already have both kinds of oversight on this wiki, from google I saw https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/oversight which is revision deletion you should already be able to do the admin kind of revision deletion, there is also the suppress kind, which was done to a few entries a long time ago by MacFan4000, but for that you need to be in the [[Test Wiki:Suppress|suppress user group]] and only the stewards can assign that. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 18:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
::I think we already have both kinds of oversight on this wiki, from google I saw https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/oversight which is revision deletion you should already be able to do the admin kind of revision deletion, there is also the suppress kind, which was done to a few entries a long time ago by MacFan4000, but for that you need to be in the [[Test Wiki:Suppressors|suppress user group]] and only the stewards can assign that. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 18:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:If a steward thinks you should have it, and assigns it to you, or you become a steward, then yes. Otherwise, no. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:If a steward thinks you should have it, and assigns it to you, or you become a steward, then yes. Otherwise, no. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Fast|Justarandomamerican|BlackWidowMovie0}} Thanks. [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 11:29, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Fast|Justarandomamerican|BlackWidowMovie0}} Thanks. [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 11:29, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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*Abstain While all my interactions so far with Justarandomamerican have been positive, I don't feel I know them (as well as their contributions here) well enough yet in order to be able to vote yes/no on this matter. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 19:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
*Abstain While all my interactions so far with Justarandomamerican have been positive, I don't feel I know them (as well as their contributions here) well enough yet in order to be able to vote yes/no on this matter. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 19:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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== Proposal: [[Test Wiki:No open proxies policy|No open proxies policy]] ==
== Proposal: [[Test Wiki:No open proxies|No open proxies policy]] ==
{{Discussion top|Involved closure, but consensus is unanimous here. Nobody had an opposing or neutral argument. Cheers, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)}}
{{Discussion top|Involved closure, but consensus is unanimous here. Nobody had an opposing or neutral argument. Cheers, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)}}


'''Community proposal:'''  To establish as official policy, subject to amendment at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]], [[Test Wiki:No open proxies policy|No open proxies policy]]. Such policy shall prohibit open proxies, somewhat broadly construed, VPNs, and web hosts from being used for anonymous editing or account creation. On discovery, a Steward shall soft block with account creation disabled and talk page access revoked said IP range(s) for a period of not less than three (3) and not more than twenty four (24) months. Logged in editors may use them, as is the case on [[mhmeta:No open proxies policy|Miraheze]], as at least the user will have been likely required to identify their personal IP to [[Special:CreateAccount|create an account]]. Where, upon discovery, an account was created by a VPN/open proxy, Steward discretion applies as to whether to block, or require a confirmation edit from a Wikimedia or Miraheze wiki. Steward discretion in terms of the length of the block/rangeblock applies, within the defined parameters, but the community recomments at least six (6) months for obvious cases. Where open proxies/VPNs are being used on this wiki by anonymous users, the open proxies/VPNs may be blocked by any <code>sysop</code>, subject to the same discretion as outlined above.
'''Community proposal:'''  To establish as official policy, subject to amendment at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]], [[Test Wiki:No open proxies|No open proxies policy]]. Such policy shall prohibit open proxies, somewhat broadly construed, VPNs, and web hosts from being used for anonymous editing or account creation. On discovery, a Steward shall soft block with account creation disabled and talk page access revoked said IP range(s) for a period of not less than three (3) and not more than twenty four (24) months. Logged in editors may use them, as is the case on [[mhmeta:No open proxies policy|Miraheze]], as at least the user will have been likely required to identify their personal IP to [[Special:CreateAccount|create an account]]. Where, upon discovery, an account was created by a VPN/open proxy, Steward discretion applies as to whether to block, or require a confirmation edit from a Wikimedia or Miraheze wiki. Steward discretion in terms of the length of the block/rangeblock applies, within the defined parameters, but the community recomments at least six (6) months for obvious cases. Where open proxies/VPNs are being used on this wiki by anonymous users, the open proxies/VPNs may be blocked by any <code>sysop</code>, subject to the same discretion as outlined above.


=== Support ===
=== Support ===
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=== Support ===
=== Support ===
*{{support}}. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 14:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{support}}. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 14:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
*<s>{{support}} --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 12:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC) <small>Comment: I agree with the proposer, the only extra testing possibilities are <code>deletelogentry</code>, <code>nuke</code> and <code>import</code>. If [[User:Blueexes]] would have been waiting 24 hours to get bureaucrat right and removed rights from every bureaucrat than waiting for a steward would have been necessary. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 20:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC); Recent block regarding me by [[User:Ronjapatch|Ronjapatch]] is also a perfect example why I support this proposal. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 21:17, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small></s>
*<s>{{support}} --[[User:CrazyFisherman|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 12:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC) <small>Comment: I agree with the proposer, the only extra testing possibilities are <code>deletelogentry</code>, <code>nuke</code> and <code>import</code>. If [[User:Blueexes]] would have been waiting 24 hours to get bureaucrat right and removed rights from every bureaucrat than waiting for a steward would have been necessary. --[[User:CrazyFisherman|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 20:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC); Recent block regarding me by [[User:Ronjapatch|Ronjapatch]] is also a perfect example why I support this proposal. --[[User:CrazyFisherman|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 21:17, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small></s>
*:Well, in that scenario, they wouldn't have been able to remove the <code>bureaucrat</code> bit from other bureaucrats, so worse case is there might've been some wheel-warring among bureaucrats and administrators (though hopefully not). Additionally, a steward is usually only a ping or two away. Even if MacFan4000 is away and Void isn't in the <code>#testadminwiki</code> channel on IRC, you need only ping me on IRC, and I can ping Void on Discord to take care of it. As I say, perhaps the requirements could be raised a bit, but this proposal isn't it. Best to close it and send it back to the drawing board and propose something else. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*:Well, in that scenario, they wouldn't have been able to remove the <code>bureaucrat</code> bit from other bureaucrats, so worse case is there might've been some wheel-warring among bureaucrats and administrators (though hopefully not). Additionally, a steward is usually only a ping or two away. Even if MacFan4000 is away and Void isn't in the <code>#testadminwiki</code> channel on IRC, you need only ping me on IRC, and I can ping Void on Discord to take care of it. As I say, perhaps the requirements could be raised a bit, but this proposal isn't it. Best to close it and send it back to the drawing board and propose something else. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*{{Support}}. --[[User:Anton|Anton]] ([[User talk:Anton|talk]]) 14:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
*{{Support}}. --[[User:Anton|Anton]] ([[User talk:Anton|talk]]) 14:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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=== Neutral/Abstain ===
=== Neutral/Abstain ===
* I agree that 50 edits is too high but an increase of requirements is still necessary. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 21:55, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
* I agree that 50 edits is too high but an increase of requirements is still necessary. --[[User:CrazyFisherman|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 21:55, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
=== Comments ===
=== Comments ===
* How to identify "trusted user"? By edits or others?<span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 04:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
* How to identify "trusted user"? By edits or others?<span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 04:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
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* Users need to show, that they are familiar with the [[Test Wiki:Policy|Test Wiki policies]] and that they have made edits/log entries recently that show that the users is working constructively.
* Users need to show, that they are familiar with the [[Test Wiki:Policy|Test Wiki policies]] and that they have made edits/log entries recently that show that the users is working constructively.
::Seems well. How about 7 days+50 edits like zhwp`s autoconfirmed user? Besides, remember to sign using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 13:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
::Seems well. How about 7 days+50 edits like zhwp`s autoconfirmed user? Besides, remember to sign using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 13:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Seems like a good time period and edit count. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 19:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Seems like a good time period and edit count. --[[User:CrazyFisherman|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 19:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
*Let`s start voting: Add following content to [[Test_Wiki:Bureaucrats]].
*Let`s start voting: Add following content to [[Test_Wiki:Bureaucrats]].
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* Users need to show, that they are familiar with the [[Test Wiki:Policy|Test Wiki policies]] and that they have made edits/log entries recently that show that the users is working constructively.}}
* Users need to show, that they are familiar with the [[Test Wiki:Policy|Test Wiki policies]] and that they have made edits/log entries recently that show that the users is working constructively.}}
<span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 14:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
<span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 14:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|Morneo06}} and {{re|ZhuofanWu}}, so you are saying <code>'crat</code> flag should be granted only to those users who have been here for a while and have made a dozens of helpful contributions? Why is it necessary?–[[User:Olipino|Olipino]] ([[User talk:Olipino|talk]])  12:42, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|CrazyFisherman|label1=Morneo06}} and {{re|ZhuofanWu}}, so you are saying <code>'crat</code> flag should be granted only to those users who have been here for a while and have made a dozens of helpful contributions? Why is it necessary?–[[User:Olipino|Olipino]] ([[User talk:Olipino|talk]])  12:42, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
:::{{re|Olipino}}Since BCs can grant him/herself <code>Bot</code> right, which can hide vandal edits or logs from recent changes unless you choose not to hide bot edits in the page. In a word, to prevent vandalism. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 12:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
:::{{re|Olipino}}Since BCs can grant him/herself <code>Bot</code> right, which can hide vandal edits or logs from recent changes unless you choose not to hide bot edits in the page. In a word, to prevent vandalism. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 12:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
::::In my opinion, 3 days and 50 edits would be more suitable. [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 02:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
::::In my opinion, 3 days and 50 edits would be more suitable. [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 02:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
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== Rename request ==
== Rename request ==


Could a steward please rename me into ''CrazyFisherman''? Thanks. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 23:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Could a steward please rename me into ''CrazyFisherman''? Thanks. --[[User:CrazyFisherman|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 23:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
:[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] Do you intend to use the username '''CrazyFisherman''' for the long-term, and is this part of a synchronization of your username across other wiki farms/wikis? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
:[[User:CrazyFisherman|Morneo06]] Do you intend to use the username '''CrazyFisherman''' for the long-term, and is this part of a synchronization of your username across other wiki farms/wikis? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
::Yes, I entend to use it for a long term but it is not part of any synchronization. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 07:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
::Yes, I entend to use it for a long term but it is not part of any synchronization. --[[User:CrazyFisherman|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 07:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Okay, sounds good. I'll ping MacFan4000. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
:::Okay, sounds good. I'll ping MacFan4000. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
::::{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 22:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
::::{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 22:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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== Can my name be changed please? ==
== Can my name be changed please? ==


I'd like my name here to be changed to Seiyena please. Thank you! [[User:Fiona|Fiona]] ([[User talk:Fiona|talk]]) 01:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
I'd like my name here to be changed to Seiyena please. Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Fiona]] ([[User talk:Piccadilly|talk]]) 01:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


Can this be done? I like the name Seiyena more than Fiona because it seems more unique. [[User:Fiona|Fiona]] ([[User talk:Fiona|talk]]) 20:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Can this be done? I like the name Seiyena more than Fiona because it seems more unique. [[User:Piccadilly|Fiona]] ([[User talk:Piccadilly|talk]]) 20:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
: {{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
: {{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)


== Adding Archive Header to [[Test Wiki:Request permissions]] ==
== Adding Archive Header to [[Test Wiki:Request for permissions]] ==


Hello all, Currently i added an Archive Header for all archived Pages Current Version of [[User:Sakura emad/header|/header]], Posted to just let you know for censuses. Thank you [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 11:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello all, Currently i added an Archive Header for all archived Pages Current Version of [[User:Sakura emad/header|/header]], Posted to just let you know for censuses. Thank you [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 11:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
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== CheckUser request ==
== CheckUser request ==


[[User:Seiyena]] is  
[[User:Piccadilly]] is  
suspected sockpuppet of [[User:Bugambilia]]([https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/User:Agunomu] [[Special:Diff/19566]]), thanks! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 10:34, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
suspected sockpuppet of [[User:Bugambilia]]([https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/User:Agunomu] [[Special:Diff/19566]]), thanks! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 10:34, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
:CheckUser shows no connection to other accounts. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 01:47, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
:CheckUser shows no connection to other accounts. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 01:47, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Request for interface-admin ==
== Request for interface-admin ==


I'd like to deploy the [[mhtest:MediaWiki:Gadget-userRightsManagerTW.js|RfP helper gadget]] that I wrote onto this wiki, which can do things like automatically adding users to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-markadmins.json]]. [[mhtest:Special:Diff/41224|I am the Arcversin from Miraheze/publictestwiki]]. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 23:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to deploy the [[mhtest:MediaWiki:Gadget-userRightsManagerTW.js|RfP helper gadget]] that I wrote onto this wiki, which can do things like automatically adding users to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-markadmins.json]]. [[mhtest:Special:Diff/41224|I am the Arcversin from Miraheze/publictestwiki]]. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 23:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]], {{Done|[[Special:Redirect/logid/29648|done]]}}, with thanks both for your confirmation edit and for extending your volunteerism to Test Wiki. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 04:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]], {{Done|[[Special:Redirect/logid/29648|done]]}}, with thanks both for your confirmation edit and for extending your volunteerism to Test Wiki. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 04:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)


== Request to enable the [[mw:Extension:Purge|Purge]] extension ==
== Request to enable the [[mw:Extension:Purge|Purge]] extension ==
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:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''
:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''
::Though there is also a purgetab gadget as MacFan4000 notes, [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] is [[w:WP:SNOW|quite clear]], unanimous in fact, witb participating users ''all'' preferring the extension over the gadget. Once installed, we ''can'', and arguably [[rfc:2119|''should'']], uninstall the gadget. As a side note, I haven't been able to get the purgetab gadget to work, and suspect others have not as well. A Phabricator ticket will be opened [[phab:|here]], for [[Test Wiki:System Administrators|sysadmins]] to implement and which links to this consensus discussion. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
::Though there is also a purgetab gadget as MacFan4000 notes, [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] is [[w:WP:SNOW|quite clear]], unanimous in fact, witb participating users ''all'' preferring the extension over the gadget. Once installed, we ''can'', and arguably [[rfc:2119|''should'']], uninstall the gadget. As a side note, I haven't been able to get the purgetab gadget to work, and suspect others have not as well. A Phabricator ticket will be opened [[phab:|here]], for [[Test Wiki:System administrators|sysadmins]] to implement and which links to this consensus discussion. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
:::'''Link to Phabricator ticket:''' #[[phab:T59|T59]] [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:42, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
:::'''Link to Phabricator ticket:''' #[[phab:T59|T59]] [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:42, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
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This [[rfc:2119|''should'']] be non-controversial enough so as not to require a full discussion, though users are welcome to express comments if they wish (I suspect they will be supportive), but can we please install and enable the [[mw:Extension:Purge|Purge]] extension on Test Wiki? Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
This [[rfc:2119|''should'']] be non-controversial enough so as not to require a full discussion, though users are welcome to express comments if they wish (I suspect they will be supportive), but can we please install and enable the [[mw:Extension:Purge|Purge]] extension on Test Wiki? Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
: {{support}} Helpful extension; I don't see a reason why not to do so. [[User:Hellk77|Hellk77]] ([[User talk:Hellk77|talk]]) 02:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
: {{support}} Helpful extension; I don't see a reason why not to do so. [[User:Hellk77|Hellk77]] ([[User talk:Hellk77|talk]]) 02:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
: {{support}} Per above, purging pages is nice to do with a button and there's no reason not to. [[User:I_am_One|I am one]] ([[User_talk:I_am_One|as you are three]]) 03:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
: {{support}} Per above, purging pages is nice to do with a button and there's no reason not to. [[User:I am One|I am one]] ([[User talk:I am One|as you are three]]) 03:29, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
:{{support}} [[User:PorkchopGMX|PorkchopGMX]] ([[User talk:PorkchopGMX|talk]]) 22:54, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
:{{support}} [[User:PorkchopGMX|PorkchopGMX]] ([[User talk:PorkchopGMX|talk]]) 22:54, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
:{{Comment}} The purgetab gadget is enabled by default. I believe it accomplishes the same goal. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 03:53, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
:{{Comment}} The purgetab gadget is enabled by default. I believe it accomplishes the same goal. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 03:53, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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Hello, could <code><nowiki>wikt:</nowiki></code> be used as an active interwiki from here to Wiktionary? Requesting here for others' thoughts. [[User:Hellk77|Hellk77]] ([[User talk:Hellk77|talk]]) 17:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello, could <code><nowiki>wikt:</nowiki></code> be used as an active interwiki from here to Wiktionary? Requesting here for others' thoughts. [[User:Hellk77|Hellk77]] ([[User talk:Hellk77|talk]]) 17:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
:Should already be an interwiki, ex: [[wikt:example]]. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 20:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
:Should already be an interwiki, ex: [[wikt:example]]. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 20:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] Then why doesn't [https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/wikt:Main_Page this] work, but [https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/c:Main_Page this] does? They're both interwikis. [[User:Hellk77|Hellk77]] ([[User talk:Hellk77|talk]]) 21:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] Then why doesn't [https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/wikt:Main_Page this] work, but [https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/c:Main_Page this] does? They're both interwikis. [[User:Hellk77|Hellk77]] ([[User talk:Hellk77|talk]]) 21:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
::: And why doesn't [https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/commons:Main_Page this] work either? [[User:Hellk77|Hellk77]] ([[User talk:Hellk77|talk]]) 21:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
::: And why doesn't [https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/commons:Main_Page this] work either? [[User:Hellk77|Hellk77]] ([[User talk:Hellk77|talk]]) 21:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Hellk77}} That's because they don't have the "forward" flag enabled (under [[Special:Interwiki]]). —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 21:58, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Hellk77}} That's because they don't have the "forward" flag enabled (under [[Special:Interwiki]]). —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 21:58, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
::::: Is it OK if it is enabled, seeing as others are also enabled (like <code>c:</code>)? [[User:Hellk77|Hellk77]] ([[User talk:Hellk77|talk]]) 03:24, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
::::: Is it OK if it is enabled, seeing as others are also enabled (like <code>c:</code>)? [[User:Hellk77|Hellk77]] ([[User talk:Hellk77|talk]]) 03:24, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::: It's fine to enable it, especially if it's already enabled in another prefix. Generally the concern with enabling "forward" is whether the site is trusted enough to assume it's not going to be hosting phishing attacks. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 13:19, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::: It's fine to enable it, especially if it's already enabled in another prefix. Generally the concern with enabling "forward" is whether the site is trusted enough to assume it's not going to be hosting phishing attacks. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 13:19, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::: Okay, thank you! It's enabled now. [[User:Hellk77|Hellk77]] ([[User talk:Hellk77|talk]]) 01:05, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::: Okay, thank you! It's enabled now. [[User:Hellk77|Hellk77]] ([[User talk:Hellk77|talk]]) 01:05, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


== [[MediaWiki:Gadget-markadmins.js]] ==
== [[MediaWiki:Gadget-markadmins.js]] ==
Can someone (preferably an IA/S/SA) review [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh/Gadget-markadmins.js|my version]] of the gadget and then merge it? I tweaked it so as to automate the ''get''ting process. That being said, if my version is approved, we will no longer have to edit [[MediaWiki:Gadget-markadmins.json|the JSON page]] manually. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 19:59, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Can someone (preferably an IA/S/SA) review [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh/Gadget-markadmins.js|my version]] of the gadget and then merge it? I tweaked it so as to automate the ''get''ting process. That being said, if my version is approved, we will no longer have to edit [[MediaWiki:Gadget-markadmins.json|the JSON page]] manually. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 19:59, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]], though this exceeds my level of JS scripting expertise, this ''seems'' reasonable and, looking at your code, there does not seem to be any potential issues. As such, I've <br /> {{Done|[[Special:Diff/20691|done]]}} this request for you. However, I'd like [[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] to take a second look, though, making any tweaks/revisions, as required. Also, I know I've asked you to confirm your Miraheze account on Wikimedia, but can you also provide a Wikimedia confirmation edit for your Test Wiki account? Thanks. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:48, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]], though this exceeds my level of JS scripting expertise, this ''seems'' reasonable and, looking at your code, there does not seem to be any potential issues. As such, I've <br /> {{Done|[[Special:Diff/20691|done]]}} this request for you. However, I'd like [[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] to take a second look, though, making any tweaks/revisions, as required. Also, I know I've asked you to confirm your Miraheze account on Wikimedia, but can you also provide a Wikimedia confirmation edit for your Test Wiki account? Thanks. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:48, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Looking over the new script, it's fine, however there are a few small mistakes in terms of compatibility. MediaWiki only supports ECMAScript 5 (as opposed to 6) in most places (notably, this does not apply to scripts loaded directly from a URL), which means that you need to use the <code>var</code> keyword instead of <code>let</code>, which I've fixed. Also, making use of <code>mw.Api</code> requires that a dependency on <code>mediawiki.api</code> be added in [[MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition]], which has been done. Apart from that, the code works quite well. Do note that it would need an update should TestWiki grow to >500 sysops. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 01:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Looking over the new script, it's fine, however there are a few small mistakes in terms of compatibility. MediaWiki only supports ECMAScript 5 (as opposed to 6) in most places (notably, this does not apply to scripts loaded directly from a URL), which means that you need to use the <code>var</code> keyword instead of <code>let</code>, which I've fixed. Also, making use of <code>mw.Api</code> requires that a dependency on <code>mediawiki.api</code> be added in [[MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition]], which has been done. Apart from that, the code works quite well. Do note that it would need an update should TestWiki grow to >500 sysops. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 01:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
{{od|2}} Thanks to Arcversin for the fix, and for Dmehus: [[:metawikimedia:vi:Special:Permalink/66430817]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
{{od|2}} Thanks to Arcversin for the fix, and for Dmehus: [[:metawikimedia:vi:Special:Permalink/66430817]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 16:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)


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staff[at]testwiki.wiki seemed to be invalid? Could anyone have a test on it?[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 16:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
staff[at]testwiki.wiki seemed to be invalid? Could anyone have a test on it?[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 16:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
:This should probably be requested on the [https://phabricator.testwiki.wiki Test Wiki Phabricator]], as it is in scope of the [[Test Wiki:System Administrators|system administrator(s)]]. I'll try and file a request soon. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
:This should probably be requested on the [https://phabricator.testwiki.wiki Test Wiki Phabricator]], as it is in scope of the [[Test Wiki:System administrators|system administrator(s)]]. I'll try and file a request soon. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
{{ping|Dmehus}}I'm so sorry that I forget my password, I will use this account to communicate with you here.[[User:Pavlov2~alternative|Pavlov2~alternative]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2~alternative|talk]]) 16:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
{{ping|Dmehus}}I'm so sorry that I forget my password, I will use this account to communicate with you here.[[User:Pavlov2~alternative|Pavlov2~alternative]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2~alternative|talk]]) 16:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


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: {{Oppose}} Thank you, Trayfel, for the [[Special:Diff/21000|properly formatted]] confirmation edit of your [[metawikimedia:Special:CentralAuth/Trayfel|Trayfel]] account on Wikimedia (though you [[rfc:2119|''should'']] still confirm your account on Miraheze as well (''especially'' if it's the same username as on here). Nonetheless, I thank Trayfel for putting their name forward for [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Stewardship]]; unfortunately and regrettably, I [[rfc:2119|'''must''']] oppose this (and not a weak oppose, per the articulated reason). For one thing, your account is ''barely'' [[Special:Redirect/logid/29359|two months old]]. ''Account age'', on its own, is not necessarily a prerequisite, but taken together with your [[metawikimedia:Special:CentralAuth/Trayfel|confirmed Wikimedia global account]] having ''only'' ~300 global edits in the past twelve months since it's been created, almost all of which are either (a) userspace sandbox edits and/or (b) counter-vandalism remediation on [[w:Special:Contributions/Trayfel|English Wikipedia]], I am unable to ascertain your overall technical ability. Additionally, and perhaps more crucially, you have '''zero (0)''' patrol log entries on Test Wiki, only '''three (3)''' [[Special:Log/Sav|user rights log entries]], one of which was [[Special:Redirect/logid/29954|an incorrect interpretation]] of the [[Test Wiki:Inactivity policy|inactivity policy]] and [[Special:Redirect/logid/29956|correctly overturned]] by [[User:PorkchopGMX|PorkchopGMX]]. Granted, I ''will'' say that [[Test Wiki:Inactivity policy]] is, admittedly, a ''bit'' unclear, but nevertheless, the preceding in a manner the user thought they were ''certain'' they were correct when they were ''not'' is at least a bit problematic. Other than a few test blocks, there's really no other edits and log actions to assess the user's understanding of, and ability to ''apply'', our policies, so I am unable to get any real clear ''sense'' of that. Finally, the user identified wanting to assist MacFan4000 and I with user renames and checking for sockpuppetry. In terms of the former, there have been only '''[[Special:Log/renameuser|fifteen (15) renames]]''' in the preceding six (6) calendar years and, seeing as I have only had to add my <code>checkuser</code> hat in the more than one month since I've been a Steward and since I am also active daily here, in terms of daily review of the community portal, permission requests, and recent changes, I don't feel there's a sufficient rationale here ''either''. It'd ''potentially'' be, ''if'' I had a better sense of the user's technical and policy-based abilities. Finally, I noted that you've only very recently joined our IRC channel, which I'd also like to have seen you be more active as well. You no doubt seem helpful and constructive, but nevertheless and, as such, this is, as I say, regrettably, at least a bit [[w:WP:TOOSOON|too soon]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
: {{Oppose}} Thank you, Trayfel, for the [[Special:Diff/21000|properly formatted]] confirmation edit of your [[metawikimedia:Special:CentralAuth/Trayfel|Trayfel]] account on Wikimedia (though you [[rfc:2119|''should'']] still confirm your account on Miraheze as well (''especially'' if it's the same username as on here). Nonetheless, I thank Trayfel for putting their name forward for [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Stewardship]]; unfortunately and regrettably, I [[rfc:2119|'''must''']] oppose this (and not a weak oppose, per the articulated reason). For one thing, your account is ''barely'' [[Special:Redirect/logid/29359|two months old]]. ''Account age'', on its own, is not necessarily a prerequisite, but taken together with your [[metawikimedia:Special:CentralAuth/Trayfel|confirmed Wikimedia global account]] having ''only'' ~300 global edits in the past twelve months since it's been created, almost all of which are either (a) userspace sandbox edits and/or (b) counter-vandalism remediation on [[w:Special:Contributions/Trayfel|English Wikipedia]], I am unable to ascertain your overall technical ability. Additionally, and perhaps more crucially, you have '''zero (0)''' patrol log entries on Test Wiki, only '''three (3)''' [[Special:Log/Sav|user rights log entries]], one of which was [[Special:Redirect/logid/29954|an incorrect interpretation]] of the [[Test Wiki:Inactivity policy|inactivity policy]] and [[Special:Redirect/logid/29956|correctly overturned]] by [[User:PorkchopGMX|PorkchopGMX]]. Granted, I ''will'' say that [[Test Wiki:Inactivity policy]] is, admittedly, a ''bit'' unclear, but nevertheless, the preceding in a manner the user thought they were ''certain'' they were correct when they were ''not'' is at least a bit problematic. Other than a few test blocks, there's really no other edits and log actions to assess the user's understanding of, and ability to ''apply'', our policies, so I am unable to get any real clear ''sense'' of that. Finally, the user identified wanting to assist MacFan4000 and I with user renames and checking for sockpuppetry. In terms of the former, there have been only '''[[Special:Log/renameuser|fifteen (15) renames]]''' in the preceding six (6) calendar years and, seeing as I have only had to add my <code>checkuser</code> hat in the more than one month since I've been a Steward and since I am also active daily here, in terms of daily review of the community portal, permission requests, and recent changes, I don't feel there's a sufficient rationale here ''either''. It'd ''potentially'' be, ''if'' I had a better sense of the user's technical and policy-based abilities. Finally, I noted that you've only very recently joined our IRC channel, which I'd also like to have seen you be more active as well. You no doubt seem helpful and constructive, but nevertheless and, as such, this is, as I say, regrettably, at least a bit [[w:WP:TOOSOON|too soon]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:: Thank you, Dmehus. I appreciate your input.[[User:Sav|Tray]] ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Message me</span>]]) 19:39, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:: Thank you, Dmehus. I appreciate your input.[[User:Sav|Tray]] ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Message me</span>]]) 19:39, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
:: Did you possibly mean [[W:WP:NOTQUITEYET|not quite yet]] and not [[w:WP:TOOSOON|too soon]]? WP:TOOSOON is about article notability, while WP:NOTQUITEYET is about denial for moderately experienced members. [[User:I_am_One|I am one]] ([[User_talk:I_am_One|as you are three]]) 14:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
:: Did you possibly mean [[W:WP:NOTQUITEYET|not quite yet]] and not [[w:WP:TOOSOON|too soon]]? WP:TOOSOON is about article notability, while WP:NOTQUITEYET is about denial for moderately experienced members. [[User:I am One|I am one]] ([[User talk:I am One|as you are three]]) 14:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, this is Pavlov2, unfortunately, I forgot the password of the previous account. Please desysop it and lock that user. Thanks a lot[[User:Pavlov2~alternative|Pavlov2~alternative]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2~alternative|talk]]) 16:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi, this is Pavlov2, unfortunately, I forgot the password of the previous account. Please desysop it and lock that user. Thanks a lot[[User:Pavlov2~alternative|Pavlov2~alternative]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2~alternative|talk]]) 16:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


I don't think a total lock is possible but I can desysop the account and block it for you. [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[User talk:Seiyena|talk]]) 16:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
I don't think a total lock is possible but I can desysop the account and block it for you. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[User talk:Piccadilly|talk]]) 16:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


{{ping|Seiyena}} Thanks a lot[[User:Pavlov2~alternative|Pavlov2~alternative]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2~alternative|talk]]) 17:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
{{ping|Piccadilly}} Thanks a lot[[User:Pavlov2~alternative|Pavlov2~alternative]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2~alternative|talk]]) 17:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Pavlov2~alternative}} You can request that your old account be renamed so that you can retrieve your old username. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 17:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Pavlov2~alternative}} You can request that your old account be renamed so that you can retrieve your old username. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 17:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{Ping|AlPaD}} thanks a lot, Could I request to change to my old name?[[User:Pavlov2~alternative|Pavlov2~alternative]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2~alternative|talk]]) 17:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{Ping|AlPaD}} thanks a lot, Could I request to change to my old name?[[User:Pavlov2~alternative|Pavlov2~alternative]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2~alternative|talk]]) 17:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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::The outcome here is that, yes, [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]]'s behaviour was indeed inappropriate, and the racially insensitive and homophobic comments also inappropriate, [[User:Kazrok4545|Kazrok4545]]'s [[Special:Redirect/logid/30479|block]] was also inappropriate for a few reasons. Firstly, as it was quite clear at [[Test Wiki:Request permissions]] that this was a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]-managed user conduct case, the block was inappropriate. Secondly, administrators here are, fundamentally, non-test administrators. Blocking open proxies, deleting spam, or reverting vandalism is fine, but serious user conduct issues [[rfc:2119|'''must''']] be left to Stewards, unless they've explicitly delegated certain aspects (i.e., my saying that <code>[[Test Wiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]]</code> could be revoked if the conditions were breached, for example). Finally, and philosophically, part of developing good [[Test Wiki:Administrators|administrator]] skills beyond technical capability is developing the diplomatic skills and engaging with users to think of other, creative and, crucially, long-term solutions that are at least somewhat amenable to all. I ''had'' meant to ask [[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] to import the abuse filter from [[mhtest:|Public Test Wiki]], but my other responsibilities precluded that until now, so I ''do'' take that responsibility for not having done that sooner. Nevertheless, this is the solution I believe is the best. If, after a month or so (from now), it's clear Seiyena needs another time away from Test Wiki, I will make that call. Nevertheless, [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]], to be clear, you ''can'' curse, though I encourage you ''not'' to. What you '''cannot''' do is make racist, racially insensitive, xenophobic, or homophobic comments. Thus, [[User:Kazrok4545|Kazrok4545]]'s rights revocation is {{Done|endorsed}} by this [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]. You may re-apply for administrator after a minimum of 5-7 days, if a bureaucrat is satisfied with your good edits and log actions. You may then re-apply for bureaucrat on or after May 1st, again under the same terms. I have added several minor user groups, with a particular emphasis on <code>researcher</code>, which [[rfc:2119|''should'']] allow you review your revision deleted [[Special:DeletedContributions/Seiyena|contributions]] and log actions, to help you understand what you '''cannot''' do here and make good edits. Together with [[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]]'s abuse filter, hopefully this should guide you to constructive editing here. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 03:50, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
::The outcome here is that, yes, [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]'s behaviour was indeed inappropriate, and the racially insensitive and homophobic comments also inappropriate, [[User:Kazrok4545|Kazrok4545]]'s [[Special:Redirect/logid/30479|block]] was also inappropriate for a few reasons. Firstly, as it was quite clear at [[Test Wiki:Request for permissions]] that this was a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]-managed user conduct case, the block was inappropriate. Secondly, administrators here are, fundamentally, non-test administrators. Blocking open proxies, deleting spam, or reverting vandalism is fine, but serious user conduct issues [[rfc:2119|'''must''']] be left to Stewards, unless they've explicitly delegated certain aspects (i.e., my saying that <code>[[Test Wiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]]</code> could be revoked if the conditions were breached, for example). Finally, and philosophically, part of developing good [[Test Wiki:Administrators|administrator]] skills beyond technical capability is developing the diplomatic skills and engaging with users to think of other, creative and, crucially, long-term solutions that are at least somewhat amenable to all. I ''had'' meant to ask [[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] to import the abuse filter from [[mhtest:|Public Test Wiki]], but my other responsibilities precluded that until now, so I ''do'' take that responsibility for not having done that sooner. Nevertheless, this is the solution I believe is the best. If, after a month or so (from now), it's clear Seiyena needs another time away from Test Wiki, I will make that call. Nevertheless, [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]], to be clear, you ''can'' curse, though I encourage you ''not'' to. What you '''cannot''' do is make racist, racially insensitive, xenophobic, or homophobic comments. Thus, [[User:Kazrok4545|Kazrok4545]]'s rights revocation is {{Done|endorsed}} by this [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]. You may re-apply for administrator after a minimum of 5-7 days, if a bureaucrat is satisfied with your good edits and log actions. You may then re-apply for bureaucrat on or after May 1st, again under the same terms. I have added several minor user groups, with a particular emphasis on <code>researcher</code>, which [[rfc:2119|''should'']] allow you review your revision deleted [[Special:DeletedContributions/Piccadilly|contributions]] and log actions, to help you understand what you '''cannot''' do here and make good edits. Together with [[User:Chrs|Arcversin]]'s abuse filter, hopefully this should guide you to constructive editing here. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 03:50, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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P.S: Sorry for the translation.
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[[User:Kazrok4545|Kazrok4545]] ([[User talk:Kazrok4545|talk]]) 13:19, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
[[User:Kazrok4545|Kazrok4545]] ([[User talk:Kazrok4545|talk]]) 13:19, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
:They've asked for the following statement to be copied from [[User talk:Seiyena|their talk page]]: <pre>I realize that my edits were very wrong and inexcusable, and I am very sorry for putting such bad things here. I realize that at least a temporary block is warranted in this case, but if at all possible, could my current block be set to expire automatically, after which I can have one last chance to test admin and bureaucrat powers here?</pre> —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 14:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
:They've asked for the following statement to be copied from [[User talk:Piccadilly|their talk page]]: <pre>I realize that my edits were very wrong and inexcusable, and I am very sorry for putting such bad things here. I realize that at least a temporary block is warranted in this case, but if at all possible, could my current block be set to expire automatically, after which I can have one last chance to test admin and bureaucrat powers here?</pre> —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 14:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)


:{{ping|U:Arcversin}} Thanks for the transfer! — Regards, [[U:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''Kazrok4545'''''</span>]] [[UT:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''<small>Talk</small>'''''</span>]] 14:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Chrs|label1=Arcversin}} Thanks for the transfer! — Regards, [[User:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''Kazrok4545'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''<small>Talk</small>'''''</span>]] 14:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
::Hello! I suggest blocking some domain namespaces [[mhtest:Special:BlockList/ApexAgunomu|like Public TestWiki]], because she has some good edits and actions. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 17:18, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
::Hello! I suggest blocking some domain namespaces [[mhtest:Special:BlockList/ApexAgunomu|like Public TestWiki]], because she has some good edits and actions. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 17:18, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
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== Filter #52 ==
== Filter #52 ==


{{ping|Dmehus}} Could you or another Steward please add <code>& page_id == 702</code> to [[Special:AbuseFilter/52|abuse filter 52]], as the second to last line? This would help prevent false positives (which result in no-warning indef blocks) by excluding [[Test Wiki:Request permissions]] from said filter. Also, is there any way for non-Stewards to get edit access to those filters? —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 01:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
{{ping|Dmehus}} Could you or another Steward please add <code>& page_id == 702</code> to [[Special:AbuseFilter/52|abuse filter 52]], as the second to last line? This would help prevent false positives (which result in no-warning indef blocks) by excluding [[Test Wiki:Request for permissions]] from said filter. Also, is there any way for non-Stewards to get edit access to those filters? —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 01:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]], sure. My other plan here is to create a non-test [[Test Wiki:Abuse filter helpers|abuse filter helpers]] user group, to be granted by [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Stewards]], that would allow technically capable abuse filter editors to be granted this permission and be able to edit restricted abuse filters. Users ''may'' request the permission from a Steward, but [[rfc:2119|should]] provide some evidence of technical capability in this area. It would be subject to the [[Test Wiki:Inactivity|inactivity policy]], and could be revoked if an abuse filter helper either (a) repeatedly made unconstructive changes to restricted abuse filters or (b) otherwise demonstrated to Stewards they either (i) not [[w:WP:CIR|technically competent]] or (ii) not trusted. Anyone have any objections to this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 04:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]], sure. My other plan here is to create a non-test [[Test Wiki:Abuse filter helpers|abuse filter helpers]] user group, to be granted by [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Stewards]], that would allow technically capable abuse filter editors to be granted this permission and be able to edit restricted abuse filters. Users ''may'' request the permission from a Steward, but [[rfc:2119|should]] provide some evidence of technical capability in this area. It would be subject to the [[Test Wiki:Inactivity|inactivity policy]], and could be revoked if an abuse filter helper either (a) repeatedly made unconstructive changes to restricted abuse filters or (b) otherwise demonstrated to Stewards they either (i) not [[w:WP:CIR|technically competent]] or (ii) not trusted. Anyone have any objections to this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 04:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|Dmehus}} Not sure how, but I mistyped what should be added, it should be <code>!=</code> not <code>==</code>. As to your latter point, I would support that idea , but I would suggest it be named something other than "helpers", since Wikimedia uses that to refer to read-only access to private filters. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 11:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|Dmehus}} Not sure how, but I mistyped what should be added, it should be <code>!=</code> not <code>==</code>. As to your latter point, I would support that idea , but I would suggest it be named something other than "helpers", since Wikimedia uses that to refer to read-only access to private filters. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 11:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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