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| ==Merry Christmas!== | | ==Proposal== |
| Merry Christmas to all those here at The Test Wiki.
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| Have a wonderful day and all the best for 2024!
| | Hello, I happy to here to discuss on my new proposal to make a mediawikipage for this [[User:Aviram7/js/all-in-one.js|this]] JavaScript that help to easily block and oversight or suppress the revision of block user, spammers. etc, this script is originally based on [[metawikimedia:User:WhitePhosphorus/js/all-in-one.js|User:WhitePhosphorus/js/all-in-one.js]] of metawikimedia, but this script needed to modified them, then it's script ready for use on Tesrwiki. |
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| Lots of love, [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contributions/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:NewSection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 17:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC).
| | *I think [[User:Aviram7/js/all-in-one.js]] is move to mediawiki namespace, then add this script in gadget and allow to sysop, crats, stewards for use on you're preferences. |
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| ==userRightsManager gadget is broken== | | {{Ping|MacFan4000|Dmehus|Drummingman|Justarandomamerican}} |
| I tried to approve a user's permission request with the userRightsManager gadget and found that the gadget is not working properly. Can the interface administrators fix this issue? [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 19:07, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
| | Thanks ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 08:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| :I've reviewed the code and tested the script. It appears to be working for me. Could you please provide more details on what isn't working for you? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | | :I would be fine with adding this as a gadget, but not on the common.js. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
| :{{done|Fixed}}, the move to Request ''for'' permissions broke the script initially. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Makes sense, thanks for the fix. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ==Request for Suppressor right==
| | ::{{Ping|X}} Hello, Well! we have no probelm, If you like more gadgets for use, please see my common. js and this gadget is very helpful, firstly please test this js and then we think what can I do later?. |
| I request oversight rights from our community for 2 days. I will only use it for testing and I promise not to compromise anyone's privacy. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 21:05, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
| | Thanks ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 12:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| :{{not done}} as suppressor is not a test right and will not be given to those who are not stewards or community elected non-steward suppressors, for obvious privacy concerns. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC) | | :This gadget would likely need to be restricted to stewards due to just how powerful it is. Being able to revert all of a users edits, delete all the pages they've created, and block them in one click is simply a lot. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
| ::One question: as the suppressor right isn't a test right, is the non-steward suppressor right also a non-test right? – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 20:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :::Indeed. And therefore it is not meant to be tested. It is meant only for serious suppression.
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| :::The user right is not intended as a test flag like most roles here. It is intended only for serious suppression. System administrator, steward, checkuser, suppressor and non-steward suppressor are emphatically not test roles. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::Interface admin is also somewhere in the middle. It isn't a testing right, but some people do use it for that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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| | :::X, You're right this js script is very powerful Use of this JavaScript should only be allowed by stewards and not allowed to use by any other privileged persons. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 03:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::I've commented it out of your common.js page for the moment, as it could cause some serious mayhem if used improperly. Ask me if you need a test performed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| ==My IA right==
| | ::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] Hello, Thank you for removing this script from my common. js, I've already performed the after adding this script on my common. js, I think this js script is more useful for the stewards. {{Thank}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 15:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| Could a steward remove my IA permission, please? Thanks a lot, and goodbye! [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 06:23, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :Dear, @[[User:Username|Username]] {{done}}. Thank you for your edits, we look forward to seeing you again. Kind regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 10:21, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
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| | I've used it a lot in the past, and it saved a lot of time. But as of now, it's restricted to <u>stewards</u>. Why's that? [[User:Saint|Saint]] ([[User talk:Saint|talk]]) 04:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| I thought I was ready to go. But I guess I feel like staying longer considering I've worked so hard on keeping this wiki organized, and I have left some things that have yet to look completed. Can somebody grant me my rights back, please? Thank you! [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:43, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :{{ping|Username}} I have granted you back the crat and admin rights. A steward will have to do the IA bit. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 21:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC) | | :It was found that a vandal who gained sysop rights could vandalize the [[Main Page]] or similarly important Steward protected pages using ReplaceText. I know it has a lot of utility for you, so feel free to send me a message on my talk page, or Drummingman on his with a request, ensuring that original text, new text, and namespace(s) are provided. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| ::Glad to have you back. Courtesy ping @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] & @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC) | | ::Is it possible to allow interface administrators to use it? [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 13:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| :::{{done}}, welcome back. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC) | | :::I suggested that to MacFan when I originally opened a security task about the issue. Me personally, I think it would be better to create a separate group that's able to use it, as IA is ''primarily'' intended to allow editing of script pages, though I am fine with bundling it in to IA (and Stewards) along with creating a separate group. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:19, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| :{{outdent|2}} Thanks, all. [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ==Proposal to change an abuse filter warning== | | =='Crat sysop first requirement== |
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| I propose moving <s>[[</s>MediaWiki:Newuser-externallinks<s>]]</s> to [[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-newuser-externallinks]], and changing the text of the filter warning message to something like this: | | {{ping|EPIC|X|DR}} as interested persons. |
| | Recently, upon DR requesting bureaucrat, they were given it without first being an administrator. EPIC removed the crat right, and X restored it, stating that the requirement was pointless. To prevent a wheel war, I think it's best to set down community consensus on the issue. What do you, the reader, think of the requirement to be a sysop before being a bureaucrat? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| '''Warning:''' An automated filter has identified this edit containing external links. Test Wiki may not be used as a vehicle for promotion, and may result in being blocked from editing. If this edit is constructive, you may click "Publish changes" again to confirm it. If you received this message in error, please inform an [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|administrator]] of what you were trying to do. | | :@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]: I've support you're thoughts, This is test wiki not Wikipedia, we are here to testing of specific permission, firstly If any new user request for both rights, then firstly grant only sysop permission but not crats, because sysop have more permission on his group, crats is most important permission on the wiki, I don't understand why both user's make editwar in removing or adding crats permission from @DR, who received both permission after reviewing his request by an other crats. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 04:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::I personally think that just like on other test wikis, there should some kind of requirement before being able to request crat, either an edit requirement (maybe something like 10 edits before being able to request bureaucrat would be a fair requirement if so?), or a requirement of a specific amount of days of having sysop before requesting crat (a day or two perhaps), or maybe a mix of both of those requirements. |
| | ::The reason I think so is because unlike on other test wikis, the crat permission is quite powerful and can remove both bureaucrat and sysop rights. If it's given very liberally it can be quite dangerous. Now, I know DR from Wikimedia and they are a trusted user who I certainly don't think would abuse the bureaucrat rights, so I have nothing against them having crat. But, I don't have any intents to wheel war, the permissions have been given back and it can remain so. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::My intention was also not to wheel war. I know EPIC mentioned some suggestions for "requirements" for the 'crat role. However, as of now, those do not exist, making the rule about being a sysop first pointless. There is some Wikimedia essay about not following the policies if doing so would prevent you from improving the site, but I can't remember what it was titled. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 11:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :You can remove the bureaucrat right from my account since I won’t be using it. I have MediaWiki installed on my local machine for testing purposes, and I already have all the advanced rights there. Here on this test wiki, my goal is to assist others by deploying some important and useful scripts and translating help pages. Initially, I thought that crats have access to grant the interface admin right, but it appears they do not, so I no longer require this role. Could any Steward please grant the interface admin right to my account? I would like to deploy some useful gadgets. Also, for granting requirements, I believe granting the bureaucrat role should be discretionary. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 09:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :We should definitely set requirements for gaining crat. It is a powerful position, and any disruptive user can easily misuse it. Since EPIC knew DR , there would not be a problem, but if a random user came and requested sysop and crat, there is a chance of vandalism or disruption. I propose that a user must wait 24 hours and make 10 edits before requesting crat rights [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 06:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| Any inputs or concerns about this? If there are no objections, I'll be happy to do those changes in a few days. Thanks. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
| | ==Permission revocation request== |
| :As the original creator of the customized warning, I {{support|support}} this change. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:08, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ==RFC: Clarify [[TW:IP|the inactivity policy]] for Non-steward suppressors==
| | Hello, I am currently suffering from high powerful stress which is impairing my ability to work on test wiki and elsewhere, hence, I request the admins of test wiki to please remove my sysop + crats permission on my account, I will try to come back and edit here. Thanks to all the editors of test wiki for giving me a chance to test the tools of sysop and crats and I hope I have not broken any rules and regulations of test wiki.. {{Thanks}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 04:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
| {{discussion top|{{done|Passes}}. Non-steward suppressors will be held to a 3 month inactivity requirement. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:54, 28 January 2024 (UTC)}} | |
| This is a rather simple proposal. Shall the inactivity policy:
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| #Be amended to include a 3 month inactivity period for Non-steward suppressors,
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| #Be amended to include a 1 year inactivity period for Non-steward suppressors; or
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| #Be amended to include another inactivity period for non-steward suppressors?
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| [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :{{support}} 1 as proposer. 3 months seems plenty enough, rather than the 1 year inactivity period granted to Stewards and Sysadmins. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | | :{{d}} — You are free to reapply for user permissions when you return. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
| :{{support}} option #1 per Justa. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :{{support}} the #1 option. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ==Another proposal to import Edit filter warning template== | | == Interface Right == |
| I was thinking if I could import the Edit filter warning template from the English Wikipedia, but leave out the report error since there is no edit filter false positive page on Test Wiki. Any inputs, concerns or objections?
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| When triggering an abuse filter, it shows a red box with text; maybe we could add that proposed template under the name "Abuse filter warning", and protect it under an appropriate protection as a high-risk template? Thank you. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
| | Hello everyone, I try to re- modifying Twinkle tool for use, but I don't think Twinkle Tool are working on Test Wiki; If you like I like to fix Twinkle tool for working on Test Wiki, so, I needed, please grant me Interface right for permanently for successfully complete this work.{{Thank}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 16:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | : I think that for the moment you can rework this script into personal subpages and we will see later about the rights because other interface admins will be able to add it as a gadget.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 16:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::{{Ping|DodoMan}} Hello, Do you know Twinkle Tool are not currently available in gadgets section and it's subpages are not currently exist here, We recreating those pages and interface admin right are more help to edit and create js pages on Test Wiki.Cheers!~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 17:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::{{Ping|Aviram7}}Yes I know the tool it’s inavailable but you can rework script on your subpages. At worst, I will create these mediawiki pages and rework them with you. And also you need to request rights to Test Wiki:Request Permissions.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 17:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| :We can also redirect people to here (the community portal) to report false positives, or to contact an administrator directly. I think having some form of template would make things easier, so no objections. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC) | | :::{{re|DodoMan}} That's Great! well I going to request for Interface permission on request page and try to creating twinkle subpages on userspace and I beleive our hard struggle will be positive result proved.~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 17:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
| ::One more question: is bureaucrat protection appropriate when protecting a high-risk template? – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :::In this case, it would be, since the template would be used in the interface, and not protecting it as such would allow users without the edit interface right to edit the interface. You can use discretion when protecting pages. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::Fine by me! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :::::Since there are no objections, I'll implement them, but do we keep the report error button that can redirect here to the community portal or not? – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 15:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::::Yes, you can redirect it to the community portal. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:44, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :{{done}}, but it took a little bit of trial and error for the url to actually work. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 16:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ==Mobile edit==
| | ::::I requested for Interface permission on [[TW:RfP]]. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 17:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
| Does anyone have an idea why [[Special:Diff/35138|this]] and [[Special:Diff/35122|this]] was marked as mobile web edits, considering that I am on a computer? [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 19:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :That is weird, never heard of that happening before. Were you using mobile view when making the edits? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:21, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :It's possible you switched to mobile view and didn't realize it, like X said above. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::I was using the normal desktop view, but checking e.g. [[Special:Contributions/FuzzyBot|FuzzyBot]], it seems to be the same for some of those edits as well. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 19:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC) | |
| :::As far as I know, FuzzyBot uses the same tags as the edit/log entry that was made to cause it to perform an action. I'm not sure what could have caused that software-wise. {{ping|MacFan4000}} Not urgent at all, but this is an odd technical situation. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:28, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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| Today, I have decided to make filter 121 which prevents personal attacks or harassment on user/user talk pages, and filter 122, which prevents new users from editing others' user pages.
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| Confirmed users and sysops may edit user pages, but they may not add {{tl|unlocked userpage}} on a random user page; it may only be done by the user themselves or a steward.
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| Any opinions or input? Thanks. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 19:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :LGTM. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Mind if I test adding the unlocked userpage template on your userpage if this can be prevented by the filter? – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 19:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :::Go ahead. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::Per [[Special:AbuseLog/5852]], the filter is working as intended. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 19:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ==Piccadilly socks==
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| I'm going to be combing over the logs and trying to compile a list of all the account Piccadilly has used and block them all with the same reason. I then might make some LTA pages like Wikipedia has to inform people of a little more about how to detect and deal with specific LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :Maybe should we disable filter 92? The target of the filter hasn't returned since 2022. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 23:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::It is very specific and isn't hurting anything as is so I don't know if there's really a need to disable it. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 23:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :::You know what? I agree, maybe we should keep it enabled. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 23:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::Yeah, they were a pretty big issue "back in the day". Would hate to have them come back because they know our protection has been disabled. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 23:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :::::{{done}}, feel free to improve. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:22, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ==RFC: Allow non-steward suppressors to perform "steward actions"==
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| {{discussion top}}
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| ::Resolved. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| Hi all,
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| Looking back in my original proposal to create the non-steward suppressor group, I found that I forgot to add the ability to perform steward actions to the list. I think this is quite needed as suppression blocks are a large part of the job, in addition to evidence for blocks being hidden behind a suppression. For transparency, see [[User talk:Justarandomamerican#Suppression log]] for part of the reason why this is being proposed. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 00:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| '''Discussion:'''
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| :Steward actions and other special types of blocks are mainly governed by long standing practice. In this case, [[Test Wiki:Blocks and bans|our information page on these practices]] includes a suitable alternative meant for suppression reasons, such as completely inappropriate vandalism or personal information without consent that has to be suppressed. If this proposal is about allowing the group to basically become steward-lite through formal capacity, then {{oppose}}. NSSs should stay within their scope of suppression. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::No, that is not at all the goal of the proposal. It is strictly to allow them to call blocks steward actions. My apologies, I should have worded that better. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 00:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :::Withdrawn per Justa's solution. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 00:11, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ==Abuse filter request==
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| I'm not quite confident in using <del>regex</del> <ins>the abuse filter rules</ins> yet, so can someone who is create an abuse filter that disallows common phrases used by [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]? Check their deleted contributions for details (and most things they do that need to be disallowed need no exceptions.) [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC) edited to correct 02:40, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :I'm not really familiar with regex, but I can design the code and body of said filter. Will create it, but someone else may need to create the regex. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 02:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Thanks! I'm not too inclined in the specifics, so likely made a mistake in saying regex, AbuseFilter rules are a custom language. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:34, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :::I have done a lot of trial and error with abuse filters, so I've managed to gather a little knowledge. I can help too! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::Will create the message later targeted not just for the intended target, but for all LTAs. In addition, another special message if the filter is set to both disallow and block. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 02:42, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :::::Never mind, looks like filter 88 is active. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 05:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ==[[User:Void]]==
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| Void's userpage is still steward protected even though they are not a steward. Please unprotect. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:03, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :{{done}} by @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 23:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ==RecentChanges pages==
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| Here, I've put this page as a candidate for deletion:
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| *Test Wiki:RecentChanges
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| I don't see a need for this page considering it has always been unused. Additionally, we have always been maintaining [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext|this message]] and it has existed slightly longer than the link listed above. [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:45, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :Fine by me. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:28, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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| {{done|[[Special:Redirect/logid/42572|Done]]}} by Justarandomamerican. [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:50, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ==Proposal to upload higher quality user rights icons==
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| I am proposing to update the user right icons to their higher quality versions. Anybody has opinions or concerns? Thanks. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 23:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :Seems fairly uncontroversial, go ahead. {{done| }} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::{{done}}. – [[User:64andtim|<span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#0024FF;">'''''64andtim'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:64andtim|<span style="color:#0F2298">talk</span>]])</sup> 17:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :::Thank you, much better. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 23:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ==Faulty wikilink==
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| On [[Test Wiki:Bureaucrats]], it says "Bureaucrat rights are required for any user seeking to gain [[<tvar name="SA">Special:MyLanguage/Test Wiki:System administrators</tvar>|system administrator]], [[<tvar name="SA">Special:MyLanguage/Test Wiki:Suppressors</tvar>|suppressor]], or [[<tvar name="S">Special:MyLanguage/Test Wiki:Stewards</tvar>|steward]]".
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| However, there seems to be a problem with the "system administrator" wikilink on that page - instead it leads me to [[Test Wiki:Suppressors]]. What could be the problem here? I don't know if I exclusively have this issue, or if it is the same for all users. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 15:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :{{done|Fixed}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:20, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::{{comment}} Also, found the issue; both links had <nowiki><tvar name=SA></nowiki> at the beginning. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 17:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::This fix seems to have removed the MyLanguage variable entirely, I have instead specified another variable. Thanks for the temp fix, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ==EPIC==
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| {{Discussion top|
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| {{done}}. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2024 (UTC)}}
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| {{userlinks|EPIC}} {{RfP apl}}
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| *'''Requested right''': Non-steward suppressor
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| *'''Link to your account in other projects, e.g. Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom''' (optional): [[meta:User:EPIC]]
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| *[yes] I am familiar with all of [[:Category:Test Wiki policies|Test Wiki's policies]] and agree to follow them completely.
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| *[yes] I agree that I am entirely responsible for all actions done under this account, including actions performed under this account by someone other than myself.
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| *[yes] I agree that if I misuse the tools, my access might be revoked and I may be banned from Test Wiki without prior warning.
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| '''Other comments''': Hello there! Might seem odd, but now that our first non-steward suppressor has been chosen, I would like to offer my help and assist as the second one. I'm willing to help with suppression when needed, and I am available/contactable at most times of the day. I go by the same username on the Wikimedia projects, where I am an administrator at two larger wikis, and I have experience with handling sensitive information as a member of the [[meta:VRT|Wikimedia VRT]]. Beforehand I have read [[Test Wiki:Suppressors]], and the [[Test Wiki:Privacy policy|privacy policy]]. Also courtesy pinging {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} and {{ping|Drummingman}}. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 00:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :Just in case, I have made a confirmation edit on Wikimedia: [[:wikipedia:Special:Diff/1200184340|see here]] [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 00:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :<del>{{neutral}} Though you are a perfectly qualified candidate, I'd like to see the answer to one question, can you explain the need for another suppressor? There are currently 3 active people who are able to handle suppression. If there's a good need, I'll be supporting, as more than qualified! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)</del> <ins>See weak support comment below.</ins> [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Hello [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]! There isn't necessarily the need, but it gives additional value, especially since two of the current stewards are less active, and as mentioned a bit further up, also gives different hours of coverage. FYI, my mainly available times are at most hours within the UTC+1 time zone (since I'm quite a night owl) with the exception for the early morning hours, and I regularly check my mail inbox, so I'm able to quickly act when needed. So, I am of course aware that this is not a role for testing, and I hope my answer is sufficient - feel free to ask further questions if needed. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 09:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :::Addition: If both stewards choose to approve this, I would suggest also checking that X is not completely against this :) [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 15:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :{{neutral}}, leaning oppose. Well qualified on other wikis, but has only had an account here for about a month. Also not sure if we need another but I can be swayed. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::After considering the comments of both stewards, I still think I am going to stand at neutral (leaning oppose). They're no doubt qualified, but the 1 month of having an account is simply a deal breaker for me. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 23:54, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :{{support|Weakest possible support}} I don't see much harm in you being given the tools purely to have an extra suppressor available. Perfectly qualified. <ins>However, the lack of time spent here is a bit concerning to me.</ins> [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :{{support}} leaning neutral, I don't really have any objections, but think a month is a bit early. I do take note that EPIC has [[meta:Stewards/Elections 2024/Statements/EPIC|applied]] to be a steward on Wikimedia, if he is elected, it could be an advantage in fighting cross-wiki vandalism. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :I am also curious how this will turn out. If it is successful, it will likely also take most of EPIC's time. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| ::I will see how it goes, but I hope to be able to split my activity between different wikis like I've been able to so far, and I should be able to work it out - and if not, I would of course be removed for inactivity per Test Wiki policy. Either way, right now this is mostly depending on Justarandomamerican, so I suggest pending his reply to begin with. If this is successful I do of course plan to take it easy at first, and ask a steward if in doubt. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 17:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
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| :{{support}} Per above. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 19:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :At the moment, there seems to be a weak consensus. Relisting. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::There are two weak supports, one regular support, and one neutral. Averaging this out gets you around a roughly 75% support ratio. (S = 100, WS = 75, N = 50, WO = 25, O = 0) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 00:34, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ==Clearly define suppression criteria in policy==
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| {{Discussion top|
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| :{{On hold}} for internal discussion [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:43, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::{{done|Resolved}}. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:15, 8 February 2024 (UTC)}}
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| Steward-defined suppression practices seems to have only worked in the past when only stewards and sysadmins had access to the tool, but it seems to only lead to inner confusion now that non-Stewards can have access to the bit. Therefore, there needs to be a set of clearly defined suppression criteria. Perhaps we could base these off [https://www.thetestwiki.org/wiki/The_Test_Wiki:Suppression_policy The Test Wiki]? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :<del>{{ping|Dmehus|Username}}</del> Your input is invited. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:08, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::There is simply a disagreement on how to define serious vandalism. We have no disagreements with PII, copyright, and other suppressible edits. I don't see how using The Test Wiki's criteria would help at all as it doesn't address this. I don't see why there isn't simply an ''internal'' discussion about the definition. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:31, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ==RFC: Redo [[Test Wiki:Suppress|suppression]] page==
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| {{discussion top|{{Done}}. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:36, 10 February 2024 (UTC)}}
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| I propose replacing [[Test Wiki:Suppressors]] with [[User:X/Suppression guide]]. Let me know your thoughts. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 12:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :LGTM. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:48, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Great, super happy to hear that. Glad we could come to a consensus. @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] just verifying that you're okay with this? [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 14:50, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :::I'm okay with it. :) [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 17:00, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ==Sav==
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| {{userlinks|Sav}} {{RfP apl}}
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| *'''Requested right''': Non-steward suppressor <!-- Add the right you are requesting here (Administrator, Bureaucrat, Interface administrator) -->
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| *'''Link to your account in other projects, e.g. Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom''' (optional): <!-- Please make a confirmation edit on the other wiki referring to your current account on Test Wiki, then paste the diff link here: e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Example/sandbox?diff=prev&oldid=000000 -->
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| *[Yes] I am familiar with all of [[:Category:Test Wiki policies|Test Wiki's policies]] and agree to follow them completely.
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| *[Yes] I agree that I am entirely responsible for all actions done under this account, including actions performed under this account by someone other than myself.
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| *[Yes] I agree that if I misuse the tools, my access might be revoked and I may be banned from Test Wiki without prior warning.
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| '''Other comments''': As a trusted and well-known user within the Test Wiki space, I believe I am qualified to be the next Non-steward suppressor. I believe being granted Non-steward suppressor would help X and the Steward team with lessening the load of work they may have to do in the future. As I live in the UK, I would be able to actively provide suppressions without compromising privacy. Please feel free to ask questions below.<!-- You may use this space to insert other comments relevant to your request --> [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:32, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :Hi Sav! One question that I assume the stewards will ask is this: Do you feel there is sufficient need for another NSS, given that we currently have three active and one pending application? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 23:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Hello, X. As stated, this RfP is for Non-steward suppressor. I shall assume that is what you meant. I do feel there is sufficient need for another Non-steward suppressor due to the fact that having those with said rights from multiple timezones, is better than having a few all in the same. Regards, [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 23:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :::Yes, that is what I mean't. ''facepalm''. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 23:38, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::Thank you for the clarification, X. My above statement remains valid then. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 23:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :Hello! Just a quick question: Will you take long hiatuses in the future? Thanks, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:57, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Hello, Justarandomamerican. I do not plan or see myself taking a long hiatus in the near future. As of now, I plan to be active. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 00:06, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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| *{{oppose}} I don't think we need a new non steward supressor. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 16:35, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Hello, {{Ping|LisafBia}}. Can you elaborate on why you think The Test Wiki doesn't need a new non steward supressor? As far as I know, there is only 1 and that is [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:07, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :::Considering that the Stewards also have Supress authority, there are 5 suppressors in total and most of them are active. Therefore we don't need a new supressor. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 15:25, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::::*Dmehus {{not done| }}
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| ::::*X {{d| }}
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| ::::*Justarandomamerican {{done| }}
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| ::::*Drummingman {{done| }}
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| ::::Is the current list. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 16:16, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :::::Thank you, X. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 16:31, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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| :{{o|Weak oppose}}, for the moment, we have enough active suppressors with the recent appointment of EPIC. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ::Thank you for your explanation. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:01, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
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| ==Name Change Request==
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| Hi, could my name here be changed to Fullegente please? It's a name I've begun using elsewhere, such as Filmpedia and Wikimedia, and I'd like it to be my name here as well, as it's more unique than Piccadilly. Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 15:39, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
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| Hello, stewards. I would appreciate if you could also change my username to Saint. Thank you! [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:12, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
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Thanks ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 15:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Done — You are free to reapply for user permissions when you return. Drummingman (talk) 08:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)