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==Proposal==


==Extension of stewardship flag==
Hello, I happy to here to discuss on my new proposal to make a mediawikipage for this [[User:Aviram7/js/all-in-one.js|this]] JavaScript that help to easily block and oversight or suppress the revision of block user, spammers. etc, this script is originally based on [[metawikimedia:User:WhitePhosphorus/js/all-in-one.js|User:WhitePhosphorus/js/all-in-one.js]] of metawikimedia, but this script needed to modified them, then it's script ready for use on Tesrwiki.
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
*I think [[User:Aviram7/js/all-in-one.js]] is move to mediawiki namespace, then add this script in gadget and allow to sysop, crats, stewards for use on you're preferences.
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
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{{Ping|MacFan4000|Dmehus|Drummingman|Justarandomamerican}}
Thanks ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  08:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


==Account rename==
:I would be fine with adding this as a gadget, but not on the common.js. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==
::{{Ping|X}} Hello, Well! we have no probelm, If you like more gadgets for use, please see my common. js and this gadget is very helpful, firstly please test this js and then we think what can I do later?.
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Thanks ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  12:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)


:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:This gadget would likely need to be restricted to stewards due to just how powerful it is. Being able to revert all of a users edits, delete all the pages they've created, and block them in one click is simply a lot. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==
:::X, You're right this js script is very powerful Use of this JavaScript should only be allowed by stewards and not allowed to use by any other privileged persons. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  03:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
::::I've commented it out of your common.js page for the moment, as it could cause some serious mayhem if used improperly. Ask me if you need a test performed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)


Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:
::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] Hello, Thank you for removing this script from my common. js, I've already performed the after adding this script on my common. js, I think this js script is more useful for the stewards. {{Thank}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  15:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
==Replace text==
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
I've used it a lot in the past, and it saved a lot of time. But as of now, it's restricted to <u>stewards</u>. Why's that? [[User:Saint|Saint]] ([[User talk:Saint|talk]]) 04:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


===Possible close?===
:It was found that a vandal who gained sysop rights could vandalize the [[Main Page]] or similarly important Steward protected pages using ReplaceText. I know it has a lot of utility for you, so feel free to send me a message on my talk page, or Drummingman on his with a request, ensuring that original text, new text, and namespace(s) are provided. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::Is it possible to allow interface administrators to use it? [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 13:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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:::I suggested that to MacFan when I originally opened a security task about the issue. Me personally, I think it would be better to create a separate group that's able to use it, as IA is ''primarily'' intended to allow editing of script pages, though I am fine with bundling it in to IA (and Stewards) along with creating a separate group. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:19, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
:Filed pull request. So {{partially done}} [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


====Support proposed close and involved closure====
=='Crat sysop first requirement==
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{{ping|EPIC|X|DR}} as interested persons.
====Object to proposed close====
Recently, upon DR requesting bureaucrat, they were given it without first being an administrator. EPIC removed the crat right, and X restored it, stating that the requirement was pointless. To prevent a wheel war, I think it's best to set down community consensus on the issue. What do you, the reader, think of the requirement to be a sysop before being a bureaucrat? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


==Requests for stewardship X==
:@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]: I've support you're thoughts, This is test wiki not Wikipedia, we are here to testing of specific permission, firstly If any new user request for both rights, then firstly grant only sysop permission but not crats, because sysop have more permission on his group, crats is most important permission on the wiki, I don't understand why both user's make editwar in removing or adding crats permission from @DR, who received both permission after reviewing his request by an other crats. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  04:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}
::I personally think that just like on other test wikis, there should some kind of requirement before being able to request crat, either an edit requirement (maybe something like 10 edits before being able to request bureaucrat would be a fair requirement if so?), or a requirement of a specific amount of days of having sysop before requesting crat (a day or two perhaps), or maybe a mix of both of those requirements.
===Nomination===
::The reason I think so is because unlike on other test wikis, the crat permission is quite powerful and can remove both bureaucrat and sysop rights. If it's given very liberally it can be quite dangerous. Now, I know DR from Wikimedia and they are a trusted user who I certainly don't think would abuse the bureaucrat rights, so I have nothing against them having crat. But, I don't have any intents to wheel war, the permissions have been given back and it can remain so. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
:::My intention was also not to wheel war. I know EPIC mentioned some suggestions for "requirements" for the 'crat role. However, as of now, those do not exist, making the rule about being a sysop first pointless. There is some Wikimedia essay about not following the policies if doing so would prevent you from improving the site, but I can't remember what it was titled. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 11:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
:You can remove the bureaucrat right from my account since I won’t be using it. I have MediaWiki installed on my local machine for testing purposes, and I already have all the advanced rights there. Here on this test wiki, my goal is to assist others by deploying some important and useful scripts and translating help pages. Initially, I thought that crats have access to grant the interface admin right, but it appears they do not, so I no longer require this role. Could any Steward please grant the interface admin right to my account? I would like to deploy some useful gadgets. Also, for granting requirements, I believe granting the bureaucrat role should be discretionary. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 09:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
:We should definitely set requirements for gaining crat. It is a powerful position, and any disruptive user can easily misuse it. Since EPIC knew DR , there would not be a problem, but if a random user came and requested sysop and crat, there is a chance of vandalism or disruption. I propose that a user must wait 24 hours and make 10 edits before requesting crat rights [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 06:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.
==Permission revocation request==


It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I am currently suffering from high powerful stress which is impairing my ability to work on test wiki and elsewhere, hence, I request the admins of test wiki to please remove my sysop + crats permission on my account, I will try to come back and edit here. Thanks to all the editors of test wiki for giving me a chance to test the tools of sysop and crats and I hope I have not broken any rules and regulations of test wiki.. {{Thanks}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  04:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''
:{{d}} — You are free to reapply for user permissions when you return. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
===Support===
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s>
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit.  [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s>
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s>
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s>
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)


*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
== Interface Right ==
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


===Oppose===
Hello everyone, I try to re- modifying Twinkle tool for use, but I don't think Twinkle Tool are working on Test Wiki; If you like I like to fix Twinkle tool for working on Test Wiki, so, I needed, please grant me Interface right for permanently for successfully complete this work.{{Thank}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  16:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
: I think that for the moment you can rework this script into personal subpages and we will see later about the rights because other interface admins will be able to add it as a gadget.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 16:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::{{Ping|DodoMan}} Hello, Do you know Twinkle Tool are not currently available in gadgets section and it's subpages are not currently exist here, We recreating those pages and interface admin right are more help to edit and create js pages on Test Wiki.Cheers!~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 17:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s>
:::{{Ping|Aviram7}}Yes I know the tool it’s inavailable but you can rework script on your subpages. At worst, I will create these mediawiki pages and rework them with you. And also you need to request rights to Test Wiki:Request Permissions.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 17:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s>
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a  longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
===Neutral===
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s>
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s>
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


===Questions===
:::{{re|DodoMan}} That's Great! well I going to request for Interface permission on request page and try to creating twinkle subpages on userspace and I beleive our hard struggle will be positive result proved.~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  17:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


===Result===
::::I requested for Interface permission on [[TW:RfP]]. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 17:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).
{{Discussion bottom}}
 
==[[User:Example]]==
 
Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.
 
I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 
:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 
==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==
 
Status: {{done}}
*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])
 
==Block numberous proxies==
 
<b>Status:</b> {{Done}}
 
I am not an admin.
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]
*[[Special:Block/107.181.230.227|107.181.230.227]]
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s>
 
==Proxy bot==
{{discussion top}}
 
<b>Status:</b> {{not done|Not done and withdrawn}}
 
===Nomination===
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
===Signature that belongs to the user that will own the proxy bot===
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===Username for the proxy bot===
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===Support===
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===Oppose===
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===Neutral===
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===Comments===
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
===Result===
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 
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==Rename Request==
 
Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 
==Possible sockpuppetry==
 
{{Discussion top}}
 
{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks?
 
If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==
 
Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]
 
Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 
==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==
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Status: {{not done}}
 
Change from: Example user
 
Change to: Example user, blocked from chat
 
Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.
 
Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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==Add IPBE privilege==
 
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::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
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===Nomination===
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:
 
*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code>
 
Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.
 
From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 
===Support===
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 
===Oppose===
*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 
===Neutral===
 
===Comments===
*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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==Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha==
 
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::Moot. A reasonable request for [[Test Wiki:System Administrators|system administrators]] to consider at some point in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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===Nomination===
 
Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha.  [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:Also, MacFan4000 can choose a dark or light theme of hCaptcha box, and normal or compact size of hCaptcha box. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 20:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 
===Support===
 
===Oppose===
 
===Neutral===
 
===Comments===
*This [rfc:2119 should not] need a full community discussion, as it's (a) a technical change and (b) quite a non-controversial one. We haven't had many issues with reCAPTCHA here, like Miraheze has/had, so it's not that urgent. I think we can let MacFan4000 decide when/if to switch to hCAPTCHA. I personally would have no objections to that change. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 
===Result===
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==Potential RfS candidate==
 
Hello. I'm considering running for Stewardship sometime in the near future. I would be assisted greatly by the Steward tools, given that my main edits and logged actions consist of preventing abuse.
I also think the community needs another Steward due to the fact that we have 3 Stewards, and only 1 is fully active, and a person cannot manage every Steward-reserved matter by themselves. I would add additional coverage to spot and prevent complex disruption, such as by [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|users who lack the skills necessary to edit]]. My question is, what does the community think? Add feedback here in the Survey section below. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 
===Survey===
I would support. You have handled your tools well here and on other wikis, and are trustworthy. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:32, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 
I would not have any opposition to a potential run at some point in the near- to medium-term future. I would just recommend you articulate a clear need, invite questions from the community, and, perhaps, provide several situation-based examples to which you would articulate how you would handle those situations. As a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] and an administrator of such elections, I will refrain from an expressing a view and stay neutral, so as to be impartial in any potential close. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:38, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:“With Drummingman's recent election to Steward, they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient need for an additional Steward.” How is that different here? “I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be trusted.” How is that different either @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:45, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
::The former: I have articulated a need for Stewards based on activity, as well as an individual need for the tools. The latter: I'm Justarandomamerican on Miraheze and Wikimedia, and collaborated with Dmehus on Miraheze. Note that this comment are my thoughts on the matter, not his. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:06, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::I know, but @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] has expressed that he doesn’t think we need another steward, so I’m asking for clarification. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
::::I said I think it would need to be well-articulated on what the requesting user plans to do. While ideally some sort of global role would be nice to demonstrate the user is trusted, I actually thought Justarandomamerican was a Wikimedia Global Rollbacker, but I think I was thinking of JavaHurricane, with whom I've also collaborated on Miraheze and Public Test Wiki. IMHO, it [rfc:2119 ''should''] be some sort of local or global role on Miraheze, Wikimedia, or Fandom that demonstrates the user is sufficiently ''trusted''. For Wikimedia, it can probably be a ''local'' role, whereas on Miraheze, I'd say either a Miraheze Meta Wiki local role, Public Test Wiki Consul, or a Miraheze global role (other than global IP block exemption). For Fandom, it should be a Fandom global community or staff role. Hope that clarifies. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::I'm not a global rollbacker on WM as I have no need for that right at the moment, but I am an enwiki and simplewiki local rollbacker. I'm relatively trusted to prevent abuse. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
I would weak oppose, as you aren't super trusted on wikimedia, and there isn't a need, though I would consider supporting if you held a higher trust role on wikimedia (i.e template editor, massmessage sender, new pages reviewer, edit filter helper, page mover, file mover, autopatrol), or a high trust global role, as I'd rather see some form of trustworthy role, as rollback isn't that highly sanctioned. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:The supposedly higher trust roles you describe are for a need and competency in entirely different areas: I'm not experienced enough to be a template editor, have no need to be a mass message sender, NPR is a user group assisting in dealing with content, not conduct, etc. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:15, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
::That makes sense. I’d say wait. Given that my RfS just failed with multiple people expressing that they don’t think a 4th steward is needed at all. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Well, there appears to be, given the fact that there are only 3 Stewards and only 1 is fully active. I plan on waiting a bit anyways. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:39, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
::Well, there are plenty of roles that aren't for an explicit need, they show you can be trusted, you have 2500 edits on wikimedia, which isn't very many, and I'd rather you had higher trust levels on other wikis. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 19:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
:::How is making 2500 edits not very many? [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Wikipedians#User permissions|Only 30% of registered Wikipedia users ever make one.]] [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:39, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
::::I've got around 6000 which isn't very many, I'd expect more like 7500. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:49, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::I was inviting you to explain why that isn't enough, as that's more than [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Wikipedians#User permissions|99.5% of all registered contributors]], and I am seeking the position for an individual need for tools to prevent abuse. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:56, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::You don’t have a need for the tools, you have full access to the suite of admin tools which is enough to prevent abuse. I’m simply saying, that rollback isn’t that high trust, as they give it out to anyone who has a history of anti vandalism and meets the requirements, and 2500 edits is more than most users, but for a right giving access to look at IP addresses, I’d expect more trust on other wikis when the right isn’t entirely required. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 12:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::I could say that nobody actually requires the tools. Dmehus doesn't actually have a ''need'' to look up IPs, but was given the toolkit anyways. Cross-wiki trust barely matters in a small community, or even a large one. Nobody judges a scowiki admin candidate on the basis that they only have rollback on enwiki. Nobody judges an enwiki admin for only having rollback and patroller on metamiraheze. Why is this required when I have a track record right here of making perfectly fine decisions? Simply put: if a candidate has a track record of making good decisions on the wiki they are requesting permissions, they are trusted, even if they have a bit lower trust elsewhere. Rollback on enwiki? Sure, it's a bit lower trust, but it does add to a case of a totality of the circumstances trustworthiness, which I say exists based on my track record here and elsewhere. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::IMO a few of your decisions are far from good, which is why I’d want a right on another wiki that needs you to make good decisions. You still have no need for the right though, as there is 1 active steward, 1 semi-active steward, and a rarely active steward. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 02:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Please point me to a diff of a poor decision I made so that I can improve. A semi-active steward and one rarely active steward? That's why I'm requesting, there needs to be at least a duo of active stewards to handle any requests, as 1 person who is active isn't enough in any circumstance involving CU evidence, LTAs, and other forms of abuse that cannot be combated with the admin toolkit alone. People need other people to ask for review actively, not just a pair of semi-active stewards.[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::No, I also said an active steward as well, they are enough, the decision that was not great IMO was on FTW when you and X decided to take away IP privacy from abusive users, I’m not going to use it against you as I heavily doubt that you came up with the idea of it, but, there are a few conditions under which I’d support stewardship.
::::::::::If any of the following conditions are met.
::::::::::#The wiki grows to the point where MacFan, Dmehus and Drummingman can’t prevent abuse.
::::::::::#You are more highly trusted on other wikis (not test ones or ones that just give out high trust permissions).
::::::::::#You show that you can perform actions similar to steward actions without significant opposition.
::::::::::However IMO, 1 is so close to being met, that I’d probably support. Though I do consider this discussion to be pre discussion canvassing, you are a pretty highly qualified candidate, who inevitably I would have to support. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 06:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::Relating to the privacy policy change, if you had a problem with the change, you should’ve said so in the waiting time before the policy took effect. I don’t consider this to be canvassing, given that they weren’t asking for support and it’s all public. I was looking on Wikipedia and it appears to be similar to [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll]]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:56, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::I did air the concern but it was ignored. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 11:48, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I believe your concern was addressed by compromise: We replaced IP addresses with ranges, which are vague as to specific location, and cannot be used to identify 1 person in particular. I understand the concern about privacy, but some form of amendment was required to prevent disruption, and immediately after your feedback I realized that blocking IP addresses may not be the best way to go about preventing disruption from sockpuppetry, so now the PP allows for range blocks of CU-found IPs, not specific ones like was originally planned by X. I used rather vague wording whilst discussing the topic of preventing disruption from sockpuppetry, resulting in a privacy concern. My apologies. I certainly didn't mean for specific IPs to be blocked. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 
==Amend [[Test Wiki:No open proxies]] to include [[Wikipedia: colocation providers|colocation providers]]==
 
Colocation providers also hide IPs, like proxies and webhosts, so they should logically be included. Change: "No open proxies, web hosts, or VPNs..." to "No open proxies, web hosts, VPNs, or [[Wikipedia:Colocation providers|colocation providers]]..." [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:{{done}} as this is pretty uncontroversial and doesn’t warrant further discussion. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
 
==Addition of interface admin protection level==
 
I am proposing that interface administrator protection is added to help protect sensitive interface pages, i.e the sidebar and sitenotice pages, and also for protecting highly used templates. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 06:47, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
*:@[[User:X|X]] With what rationale? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 12:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:*{{Oppose|Weak Oppose}} I don't see why bureaucrat/steward protection isn't enough, particularly for the sidebar.[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
*{{Oppose|Weak oppose}} Per Justarandomamerican. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 
==Block review of Piccadilly==
 
I'd like to determine whether consensus believes that Piccadilly creating a blank talk page for a test page is worthy of a 3 month block from talk namespaces. In my opinion a block from talk namespaces is unneeded but instead a final warning, and a filter to warn upon creation of talk pages with a size under 256 bytes (a signature and a few words). For the record, this wiki is a test wiki, not the English Wikipedia, meaning people can test, and they aren't random talk pages, they are talk pages of test pages. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 11:16, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:Or possibly limit the creation to exclude certain words (I.e hello, hi, guys), also, blocking at the request of a steward is mad, as the stewards can block for themselves, they are sysops too and I'd like to see their name in the block log if they authorised the block, as you don't see MacFan telling someone else to update the wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 11:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
::{{oppose}} changing the block. We’ve given Piccadilly so many changes and so many warnings. Why must we give another? I think the partial block is a good alternative to a indef full block. And there’s nothing wrong with blocking on the request of a steward because maybe they can’t get to a laptop or they’re very busy. I’ve done it before and there’s nothing wrong with it. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
:::{{oppose}} changing the block as per [[User:X|X]]'s [[Special:Diff/28972|comment]]. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 12:46, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
::::{{Comment}} -- The blockage was not entirely at my request, only the change from 1 year to three months was made by Justarandomamerican at my request. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:07, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Totally reasonable that they can somehow tell you to do it but not access their computer, I don’t think that’s a very good reason. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 02:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm neutral on the block, to be honest. I'm just glad it isn't an indefinite sitewide block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 12:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:@[[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] May I ask why you tested on talk pages again after many warnings? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:02, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
::I'm not really sure to be honest. I can say that I wasn't thinking about possible consequences of my actions, which I know isn't an excuse. I think I need to make more of an effort to slow down and think about doing things rather than just rush into them like I tend to do. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 13:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
===Alternate proposal: Prevent creation of talk pages but allow editing===
I have an alternative proposal, to use an edit filter to prevent creation of talk pages for the remainder of the block, but allow editing. Any tampering with the filter will result in a desysop and 6 month block from all namespaces. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 12:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:{{Neutral}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:{{Support}} as the least restrictive method of preventing disruption at the moment. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:43, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:{{Support}} [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 12:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{Neutral}}. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
:I believe this can be implemented now, and anyone may remove the block as soon as it is implemented. If they edit existing talk pages to test editing functions, the block may be reinstated by any Bureaucrat. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:19, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
::Implementing... could take a while as I haven't used filters like this in a while. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 04:04, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Should be done, give me a bit of time to test it and I'll be back with a full result. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 04:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
::::{{done}} [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 04:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 
==Proposal: Non steward CheckUser & Oversight/Suppressors==
 
Hello, I am proposing non-steward check user and oversight/suppressors, whilst there isn't an active need for extra check users or suppressors as of now, in my opinion, if there are enough people able to perform the role, then they should be in the role as it's always better to have more people when you don't need them but to have none when you need them. Because the two roles are quite high trust, I am proposing the following requirements for each role.
 
Checkuser:
 
#Basic understanding of IP addresses and ranges and CIDR syntax.
#Pass a vote on the community portal with either 80% support, or 70-80% at a steward's discretion.
#Have a good understanding of account security.
#Performing unnecessary or abusive checks will result in having your access revoked.
 
Suppressor:
 
#Basic understanding of suppression criteria.
#Pass a vote on the community portal with either 80% support, or 70-80% at a steward's discretion.
#Have a good understanding of account security.
 
I believe that this is also a way for users to gain additional trust.
 
Being that the implementation of this could result in a lack of transparency with the community, I think that 2 additional groups should be added. These groups may not be added immediately,
 
 
<code>non-steward-suppressor</code>Non-steward suppressor
 
With the following rights:
 
<code>unblockable</code>
 
Add groups to own account: Suppressor
 
Remove groups from own account: Suppressor
 
 
<code>non-steward-checkuser</code> Non-steward CheckUser
 
With the following rights:
 
<code>unblockable</code>
 
<code>checkuser-log</code>
 
Add groups to own account: Check user
 
Remove groups from own account: Check user
 
Thank you, [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 
*{{support}}: This is a reasonable proposal, and allows trusted community members to assist Stewards in maintaining the wiki if they don't want or need the full steward toolset. Although, if someone is trusted enough for either of these, they should have at least part of the privileges of a Steward, such as the ability to[[Test Wiki: Bureaucrats|indefinitely block in difficult cases,  being exempt from the recommendations for bureaucrats]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:52, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 
==Please remove X'interface admin rights==
 
X writes on his user page, "I don't plan to be active here."  Interface admin privileges are very strong and inactive and can be hijacked and should be removed. [[User:Chqaz|Chqaz]] ([[User talk:Chqaz|talk]]) 08:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 
:I don't think that's necessary [[Special:MobileDiff/29357|anymore]]? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
:X has told me multiple times they would like to retain their rights. Not necessary... [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:56, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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Latest comment: 10 April7 comments3 people in discussion

Hello, I happy to here to discuss on my new proposal to make a mediawikipage for this this JavaScript that help to easily block and oversight or suppress the revision of block user, spammers. etc, this script is originally based on User:WhitePhosphorus/js/all-in-one.js of metawikimedia, but this script needed to modified them, then it's script ready for use on Tesrwiki.

  • I think User:Aviram7/js/all-in-one.js is move to mediawiki namespace, then add this script in gadget and allow to sysop, crats, stewards for use on you're preferences.

@MacFan4000, Dmehus, Drummingman, and Justarandomamerican: Thanks ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 08:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would be fine with adding this as a gadget, but not on the common.js. X (talk + contribs) 10:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@X: Hello, Well! we have no probelm, If you like more gadgets for use, please see my common. js and this gadget is very helpful, firstly please test this js and then we think what can I do later?.

Thanks ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 12:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This gadget would likely need to be restricted to stewards due to just how powerful it is. Being able to revert all of a users edits, delete all the pages they've created, and block them in one click is simply a lot. X (talk + contribs) 18:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
X, You're right this js script is very powerful Use of this JavaScript should only be allowed by stewards and not allowed to use by any other privileged persons. ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 03:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've commented it out of your common.js page for the moment, as it could cause some serious mayhem if used improperly. Ask me if you need a test performed. Justarandomamerican (talk) 14:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Justarandomamerican Hello, Thank you for removing this script from my common. js, I've already performed the after adding this script on my common. js, I think this js script is more useful for the stewards.  Thanks ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 15:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Replace text

Latest comment: 10 April4 comments3 people in discussion

I've used it a lot in the past, and it saved a lot of time. But as of now, it's restricted to stewards. Why's that? Saint (talk) 04:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It was found that a vandal who gained sysop rights could vandalize the Main Page or similarly important Steward protected pages using ReplaceText. I know it has a lot of utility for you, so feel free to send me a message on my talk page, or Drummingman on his with a request, ensuring that original text, new text, and namespace(s) are provided. Justarandomamerican (talk) 12:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is it possible to allow interface administrators to use it? X (talk + contribs) 13:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I suggested that to MacFan when I originally opened a security task about the issue. Me personally, I think it would be better to create a separate group that's able to use it, as IA is primarily intended to allow editing of script pages, though I am fine with bundling it in to IA (and Stewards) along with creating a separate group. Justarandomamerican (talk) 13:19, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

'Crat sysop first requirement

Latest comment: 12 April6 comments6 people in discussion

@EPIC, X, and DR: as interested persons. Recently, upon DR requesting bureaucrat, they were given it without first being an administrator. EPIC removed the crat right, and X restored it, stating that the requirement was pointless. To prevent a wheel war, I think it's best to set down community consensus on the issue. What do you, the reader, think of the requirement to be a sysop before being a bureaucrat? Justarandomamerican (talk) 03:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Justarandomamerican: I've support you're thoughts, This is test wiki not Wikipedia, we are here to testing of specific permission, firstly If any new user request for both rights, then firstly grant only sysop permission but not crats, because sysop have more permission on his group, crats is most important permission on the wiki, I don't understand why both user's make editwar in removing or adding crats permission from @DR, who received both permission after reviewing his request by an other crats. ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 04:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I personally think that just like on other test wikis, there should some kind of requirement before being able to request crat, either an edit requirement (maybe something like 10 edits before being able to request bureaucrat would be a fair requirement if so?), or a requirement of a specific amount of days of having sysop before requesting crat (a day or two perhaps), or maybe a mix of both of those requirements.
The reason I think so is because unlike on other test wikis, the crat permission is quite powerful and can remove both bureaucrat and sysop rights. If it's given very liberally it can be quite dangerous. Now, I know DR from Wikimedia and they are a trusted user who I certainly don't think would abuse the bureaucrat rights, so I have nothing against them having crat. But, I don't have any intents to wheel war, the permissions have been given back and it can remain so. EPIC (talk) 08:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My intention was also not to wheel war. I know EPIC mentioned some suggestions for "requirements" for the 'crat role. However, as of now, those do not exist, making the rule about being a sysop first pointless. There is some Wikimedia essay about not following the policies if doing so would prevent you from improving the site, but I can't remember what it was titled. X (talk + contribs) 11:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You can remove the bureaucrat right from my account since I won’t be using it. I have MediaWiki installed on my local machine for testing purposes, and I already have all the advanced rights there. Here on this test wiki, my goal is to assist others by deploying some important and useful scripts and translating help pages. Initially, I thought that crats have access to grant the interface admin right, but it appears they do not, so I no longer require this role. Could any Steward please grant the interface admin right to my account? I would like to deploy some useful gadgets. Also, for granting requirements, I believe granting the bureaucrat role should be discretionary. DR (talk) 09:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We should definitely set requirements for gaining crat. It is a powerful position, and any disruptive user can easily misuse it. Since EPIC knew DR , there would not be a problem, but if a random user came and requested sysop and crat, there is a chance of vandalism or disruption. I propose that a user must wait 24 hours and make 10 edits before requesting crat rights Harvici (talk) 06:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Permission revocation request

Latest comment: 16 April2 comments2 people in discussion

Hello, I am currently suffering from high powerful stress which is impairing my ability to work on test wiki and elsewhere, hence, I request the admins of test wiki to please remove my sysop + crats permission on my account, I will try to come back and edit here. Thanks to all the editors of test wiki for giving me a chance to test the tools of sysop and crats and I hope I have not broken any rules and regulations of test wiki..  Thanks ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 04:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done — You are free to reapply for user permissions when you return. Drummingman (talk) 08:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Interface Right

Latest comment: 18 April6 comments2 people in discussion

Hello everyone, I try to re- modifying Twinkle tool for use, but I don't think Twinkle Tool are working on Test Wiki; If you like I like to fix Twinkle tool for working on Test Wiki, so, I needed, please grant me Interface right for permanently for successfully complete this work. Thanks ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 16:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think that for the moment you can rework this script into personal subpages and we will see later about the rights because other interface admins will be able to add it as a gadget.DodoMan (talk) 16:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@DodoMan: Hello, Do you know Twinkle Tool are not currently available in gadgets section and it's subpages are not currently exist here, We recreating those pages and interface admin right are more help to edit and create js pages on Test Wiki.Cheers!~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 17:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Aviram7:Yes I know the tool it’s inavailable but you can rework script on your subpages. At worst, I will create these mediawiki pages and rework them with you. And also you need to request rights to Test Wiki:Request Permissions.DodoMan (talk) 17:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@DodoMan: That's Great! well I going to request for Interface permission on request page and try to creating twinkle subpages on userspace and I beleive our hard struggle will be positive result proved.~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 17:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I requested for Interface permission on TW:RfP. ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 17:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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