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::Consensus in favor of extending the (non-steward/sysadmin) inactivity period to 3 months. — <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 22:58, 6 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
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Instead of having your access to the admin tools after 1 month goes by without activity, why not just have it be 3 months instead? I'd say that 1 month is a bit too short, and I'm not sure how one month would be enough of a reason. --[[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]] ([[User talk:DarkMatterMan4500|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/DarkMatterMan4500|contribs]]) 13:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC) | Instead of having your access to the admin tools after 1 month goes by without activity, why not just have it be 3 months instead? I'd say that 1 month is a bit too short, and I'm not sure how one month would be enough of a reason. --[[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]] ([[User talk:DarkMatterMan4500|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/DarkMatterMan4500|contribs]]) 13:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
:{{Ping|MacFan4000}} {{Ping|Dmehus}} Hello! How long will the proposal close? [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 12:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
==== Supports ==== | ==== Supports ==== | ||
: {{Support}} I like this idea, and can't see any drawbacks to it. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 16:27, 17 April 2022 (UTC) | : {{Support}} I like this idea, and can't see any drawbacks to it. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 16:27, 17 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
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=== Neutral === | === Neutral === | ||
:{{neutral}}--[[User:S871|S871]] ([[User talk:S871|talk]]) 00:09, 1 May 2022 (UTC) | :{{neutral}}--[[User:S871|S871]] ([[User talk:S871|talk]]) 00:09, 1 May 2022 (UTC) | ||
=== Other Comments === | |||
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== Should the policy be updated now? == | == Should the policy be updated now? == | ||
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== CheckUser request == | == CheckUser request == | ||
* [[User:七海娜娜米2b]] | |||
*[[User:七海娜娜米2b]] | * [[User:七海娜娜米3b]] | ||
*[[User:七海娜娜米3b]] | * [[User:想舞花]] | ||
*[[User:想舞花]] | |||
These 2 users are blocked intefinite on Chinese Wikipedia and locked on Wikimedia foundation and [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=30118 this action] is suspected. Thanks! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 16:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC) | These 2 users are blocked intefinite on Chinese Wikipedia and locked on Wikimedia foundation and [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=30118 this action] is suspected. Thanks! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 16:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
:{{Ping|想舞花}} Could you explain the reason for [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=30118 this action] please? [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 20:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC) | :{{Ping|想舞花}} Could you explain the reason for [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=30118 this action] please? [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 20:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
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:Maybe it's their test account. Also, I don't know why being indefinitely blocked on Wikipedia or globally locked on Wikimedia matters here. My Wikimedia account is globally locked and blocked indefinitely on English Wikipedia, but as long as people behave here, I think they should be welcome here. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 20:16, 22 April 2022 (UTC) | :Maybe it's their test account. Also, I don't know why being indefinitely blocked on Wikipedia or globally locked on Wikimedia matters here. My Wikimedia account is globally locked and blocked indefinitely on English Wikipedia, but as long as people behave here, I think they should be welcome here. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 20:16, 22 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
::{{Ping|Seiyena}} I don't think is a test account because he had requested administrator rights, while the test accounts don't need to be requested. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a sockpuppet issue. It's better steward see the issue and let our know if he needs CheckUser. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 07:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC) | ::{{Ping|Seiyena}} I don't think is a test account because he had requested administrator rights, while the test accounts don't need to be requested. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a sockpuppet issue. It's better steward see the issue and let our know if he needs CheckUser. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 07:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
:::I saw it again and maybe I was wrong. In the Chinese Wikipedia there are daily blocked for sockpuppetry and 想舞花 was banned from the Wikimedia foundation while 七海娜娜米 wasn't. I know that even if someone is blocked on Wikimedia they can contribute here and sorry if I was wrong. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 20:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
:七海娜娜米2b and 七海娜娜米3b, are technically identical, 想舞花 is not connected to the other two, but the CU results were interesting. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 14:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
::{{Ping|MacFan4000}} Thank you! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 17:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::I'm block they account.--[[User:想舞花|想舞花]] ([[User talk:想舞花|talk]]) 05:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
::::They had been blocked with autoblock disabled. I've modified block setting and enabled autoblock.--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 07:32, 6 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
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Hi, can I please get my name changed to Bastrop? Thanks! [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 19:16, 30 April 2022 (UTC) | Hi, can I please get my name changed to Bastrop? Thanks! [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 19:16, 30 April 2022 (UTC) | ||
:{{ping|Seiyena}} Pings will only work if you add your signature in the same edit in which you add the ping. — <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 13:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC) | :{{ping|Seiyena}} Pings will only work if you add your signature in the same edit in which you add the ping. — <span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 13:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC) | ||
Now I realize I messed up the ping yet again lol. Trying this again. {{ping|MacFan4000}} or {{ping|Dmehus}} Thanks! [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 08:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Proposed amendment to [[Test Wiki:Bots]] == | == Proposed amendment to [[Test Wiki:Bots]] == | ||
=== Proposal === | |||
It is proposed that [[Test Wiki:Bots]] be amended [[Special:Diff/22074|as described]] at [[Test Wiki:Bots|the policy page]]. The <code>bot</code> flag [[rfc:2119|'''must not''']] be granted by [[Test Wiki:Stewards|non-test administrators]] on Test Wiki permanently. Requests for permanent/indefinite <code>bot</code> flags [[rfc:2119|''should'']] be made at [[Test Wiki:Bot approval requests]]. Requests should articulate the described particulars, at minimum. Bureaucrats may grant themselves the <code>bot</code> temporarily, for no more than twenty-four (24) hours, provided they state a clear and valid reason in their log summary. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC) | It is proposed that [[Test Wiki:Bots]] be amended [[Special:Diff/22074|as described]] at [[Test Wiki:Bots|the policy page]]. The <code>bot</code> flag [[rfc:2119|'''must not''']] be granted by [[Test Wiki:Stewards|non-test administrators]] on Test Wiki permanently. Requests for permanent/indefinite <code>bot</code> flags [[rfc:2119|''should'']] be made at [[Test Wiki:Bot approval requests]]. Requests should articulate the described particulars, at minimum. Bureaucrats may grant themselves the <code>bot</code> temporarily, for no more than twenty-four (24) hours, provided they state a clear and valid reason in their log summary. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC) | ||
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* Provides overall clarity. | * Provides overall clarity. | ||
=== Support === | ==== Support ==== | ||
*{{Support}} I agree with it. <del>Though I don't oppose it, [[#Counter-proposal]] seems bit complicated to me.</del> | |||
**Still, I'm confused about 1 sentence. "The bot flag '''must not''' be granted by '''non-test administrators''' on Test Wiki permanently". "non-test administrators" means steward, correct? Must '''not''' steward grant permanent bot flag? I'm not good at English, so I may have mistranslated that(I'm terribly sorry if so), but could you recheck that sentence, please?--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 08:00, 2 May 2022 (UTC) <small>Modify. On second thought.--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 09:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</small> | |||
*{{Support}} Per nom. [[User:I_am_One|I am one]] ([[User_talk:I_am_One|as you are three]]) 12:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
=== Neutral/Abstain === | ==== Neutral/Abstain ==== | ||
=== Oppose === | ==== Oppose ==== | ||
* {{Oppose}} –[[User:CrazyFisherman|CrazyFisherman]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 20:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC) isn't necessary at all | |||
== Counter-proposal == | === Counter-proposal === | ||
As an alternative to the above primary proposal, the primary proposal is adopted ''except'' the <code>bot</code> flag is restricted technically to being granted by [[Test Wiki:Stewards|stewards]] and a new <code>[[Test Wiki:Pseudobots|pseudobot]]</code> or <code>[[Test Wiki:Flooders|flood]]</code> group is created for temporary uses, which may be granted by bureaucrats along the same terms as the primary propose. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC) | As an alternative to the above primary proposal, the primary proposal is adopted ''except'' the <code>bot</code> flag is restricted technically to being granted by [[Test Wiki:Stewards|stewards]] and a new <code>[[Test Wiki:Pseudobots|pseudobot]]</code> or <code>[[Test Wiki:Flooders|flood]]</code> group is created for temporary uses, which may be granted by bureaucrats along the same terms as the primary propose. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC) | ||
'''Note:''' It is possible for you to support both the primary and counter-proposals and for both to pass. | '''Note:''' It is possible for you to support both the primary and counter-proposals and for both to pass. | ||
=== Support === | ==== Support ==== | ||
* {{support}} creation of the <code>flood</code> user group and {{oppose}} restricting the <code>bot</code> group to steward-only. However, I also {{support}} <em>disallowing</em> bureaucrats from granting themself <code>bot</code> (or <code>flood</code>) indefinitely unless they promises to revoke it after a short while (less than 24 hours, after which another crat may revoke the flag(s)). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 03:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
*: By the way, presuming <code>flood</code> consists of only one rights, <code>bot</code>, an admin-flooder will be able to do everything a bot can, apart from preventing notification when marking an edit as minor (<code>minornotalk</code>). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 03:46, 2 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
*{{Support}} As Public TestWiki. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 14:31, 10 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
==== Neutral/Abstain ==== | |||
{{Neutral}} [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 11:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
{{Neutral}} --[[User:想舞花|想舞花]] ([[User talk:想舞花|talk]]) 05:53, 6 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
{{Neutral}} — Regards, [[U:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''Kazrok4545'''''</span>]] [[UT:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''<small>Talk</small>'''''</span>]] 13:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
=== Oppose === | {{Neutral}} - Although complicated and long winded, I do prefer and agree with [[#Counter-proposal]]. [[User:Trayfel|Trayfel]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 10:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC) | ||
==== Oppose ==== | |||
* {{Oppose}} –[[User:CrazyFisherman|CrazyFisherman]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 20:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC) per abvoe | |||
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