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== Proposal: Bureaucrat rights only for trusted users == | == Proposal: Bureaucrat rights only for trusted users == | ||
{{Discussion top|{{Not done|Unsuccessful}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC)}} | |||
'''Proposal:''' Bureaucrat rights are not given to every user 24 h after admin rights request, rather trusted users. With 'crat rights there are not really any extra testing possibilities but currently it isn't possible to protect pages so that only experienced/trusted users ('crats), who aren't stewards can edit them because everybody can get bureaucrat within 24-48 hours. Since <code>checkuser-limited</code> is also available to sysops, nearly all test features are also possible for admins. Also currently there is only one (1) <small>I only counted stewards, not interface admins</small> user who is active (made edits/log enries in the last 30 days) who has a right that is not given out to everybody. | '''Proposal:''' Bureaucrat rights are not given to every user 24 h after admin rights request, rather trusted users. With 'crat rights there are not really any extra testing possibilities but currently it isn't possible to protect pages so that only experienced/trusted users ('crats), who aren't stewards can edit them because everybody can get bureaucrat within 24-48 hours. Since <code>checkuser-limited</code> is also available to sysops, nearly all test features are also possible for admins. Also currently there is only one (1) <small>I only counted stewards, not interface admins</small> user who is active (made edits/log enries in the last 30 days) who has a right that is not given out to everybody. | ||
=== Support === | === Support === | ||
*{{support}}. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 14:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC) | *{{support}}. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 14:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
*{{support}} --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 12:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC) <small>Comment: I agree with the proposer, the only extra testing possibilities are <code>deletelogentry</code>, <code>nuke</code> and <code>import</code>. If [[User:Blueexes]] would have been waiting 24 hours to get bureaucrat right and removed rights from every bureaucrat than waiting for a steward would have been necessary. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 20:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC); Recent block | *<s>{{support}} --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 12:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC) <small>Comment: I agree with the proposer, the only extra testing possibilities are <code>deletelogentry</code>, <code>nuke</code> and <code>import</code>. If [[User:Blueexes]] would have been waiting 24 hours to get bureaucrat right and removed rights from every bureaucrat than waiting for a steward would have been necessary. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 20:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC); Recent block regarding me by [[User:Ronjapatch|Ronjapatch]] is also a perfect example why I support this proposal. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 21:17, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small></s> | ||
*:Well, in that scenario, they wouldn't have been able to remove the <code>bureaucrat</code> bit from other bureaucrats, so worse case is there might've been some wheel-warring among bureaucrats and administrators (though hopefully not). Additionally, a steward is usually only a ping or two away. Even if MacFan4000 is away and Void isn't in the <code>#testadminwiki</code> channel on IRC, you need only ping me on IRC, and I can ping Void on Discord to take care of it. As I say, perhaps the requirements could be raised a bit, but this proposal isn't it. Best to close it and send it back to the drawing board and propose something else. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
*{{Support}}. --[[User:Anton|Anton]] ([[User talk:Anton|talk]]) 14:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC) | *{{Support}}. --[[User:Anton|Anton]] ([[User talk:Anton|talk]]) 14:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
*<s>{{Support}}. –[[User:Olipino|Olipino]] ([[User talk:Olipino|talk]]) 01:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)</s> | *<s>{{Support}}. –[[User:Olipino|Olipino]] ([[User talk:Olipino|talk]]) 01:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)</s> | ||
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* {{Oppose}} as the edit requirement is too high. Arbitrary edit count limits may actually encourage artificial or test edits in a sandbox. I'd be supportive of extending the timeframe from 24 hours to, say, 4 days, and require the user to have <code>autoconfirmed</code> privileges, but as written, though a [[w:WP:AGF|good-faith]] proposal, I can't support this. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC) | * {{Oppose}} as the edit requirement is too high. Arbitrary edit count limits may actually encourage artificial or test edits in a sandbox. I'd be supportive of extending the timeframe from 24 hours to, say, 4 days, and require the user to have <code>autoconfirmed</code> privileges, but as written, though a [[w:WP:AGF|good-faith]] proposal, I can't support this. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
* {{Oppose}} This is a test wiki. I am in favor of increasing the requirements but what is proposed is excessive. [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 00:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC); <small>'''(something like 3 days and 50 edits will be good)''' [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 21:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small> | * {{Oppose}} This is a test wiki. I am in favor of increasing the requirements but what is proposed is excessive. [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 00:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC); <small>'''(something like 3 days and 50 edits will be good)''' [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 21:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small> | ||
*:Not 50 edits, that's far too high. I'd support increasing the number of days to 4 days, but keep the edit requirements to 10-20. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
* {{Oppose}} –[[User:Olipino|Olipino]] ([[User talk:Olipino|talk]]) 00:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC) | * {{Oppose}} –[[User:Olipino|Olipino]] ([[User talk:Olipino|talk]]) 00:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
* <s>{{Oppose}} I am favourable of increasing said requirements, but as [[User:LocoSalas|@LocoSalas]] said, this is excessive. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Ronja</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Ronjapatch|u]] • [[User talk:Ronjapatch|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ronjapatch|c]])''</small> 06:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC) </s> <small> Blocked user [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 21:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small> | * <s>{{Oppose}} I am favourable of increasing said requirements, but as [[User:LocoSalas|@LocoSalas]] said, this is excessive. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Ronja</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Ronjapatch|u]] • [[User talk:Ronjapatch|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ronjapatch|c]])''</small> 06:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC) </s> <small> Blocked user [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 21:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small> | ||
=== Neutral/Abstain === | === Neutral/Abstain === | ||
* I agree that 50 edits is too high but an increase of requirements is still necessary. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 21:55, 2 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
=== Comments === | === Comments === | ||
* How to identify "trusted user"? By edits or others?<span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 04:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | * How to identify "trusted user"? By edits or others?<span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 04:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
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:::{{re|Olipino}}Since BCs can grant him/herself <code>Bot</code> right, which can hide vandal edits or logs from recent changes unless you choose not to hide bot edits in the page. In a word, to prevent vandalism. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 12:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC) | :::{{re|Olipino}}Since BCs can grant him/herself <code>Bot</code> right, which can hide vandal edits or logs from recent changes unless you choose not to hide bot edits in the page. In a word, to prevent vandalism. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 12:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
::::In my opinion, 3 days and 50 edits would be more suitable. [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 02:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC) | ::::In my opinion, 3 days and 50 edits would be more suitable. [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 02:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
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== Rename request == | == Rename request == | ||
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::Yes, I entend to use it for a long term but it is not part of any synchronization. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 07:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC) | ::Yes, I entend to use it for a long term but it is not part of any synchronization. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 07:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
:::Okay, sounds good. I'll ping MacFan4000. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC) | :::Okay, sounds good. I'll ping MacFan4000. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
::::{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 22:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Question == | == Question == | ||
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Hi, I have a question. Templates [[Template:Citation Style documentation/agency|like this]] are necessary? They are not used on any page, as this is not Wikipedia. It seems to me that the appropriate thing would be to delete these types of templates. What do you think? [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 07:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC) | Hi, I have a question. Templates [[Template:Citation Style documentation/agency|like this]] are necessary? They are not used on any page, as this is not Wikipedia. It seems to me that the appropriate thing would be to delete these types of templates. What do you think? [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 07:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
:They are orphaned, if nobody opposes, feel free to delete the templates. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Ronja</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Ronjapatch|u]] • [[User talk:Ronjapatch|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ronjapatch|c]])''</small> 10:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC) | :They are orphaned, if nobody opposes, feel free to delete the templates. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Ronja</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Ronjapatch|u]] • [[User talk:Ronjapatch|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ronjapatch|c]])''</small> 10:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC) | ||
== Can my name be changed please? == | |||
I'd like my name here to be changed to Seiyena please. Thank you! [[User:Fiona|Fiona]] ([[User talk:Fiona|talk]]) 01:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
Can this be done? I like the name Seiyena more than Fiona because it seems more unique. [[User:Fiona|Fiona]] ([[User talk:Fiona|talk]]) 20:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
: {{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Adding Archive Header to [[Test Wiki:Request permissions]] == | |||
Hello all, Currently i added an Archive Header for all archived Pages Current Version of [[User:Sakura emad/header|/header]], Posted to just let you know for censuses. Thank you [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 11:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
just need some help with Main Page button cuz it does not work properly | |||
:and i can't fix it for now thank you [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 12:21, 26 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
::{{done}} [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 17:21, 2 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Restriction of Administrator rights == | |||
Hello everyone | |||
I want to explain something important to the community, it's about verification and Users who should or shouldn't have the right of admin, as for testing we already know this is a Test wiki where you can Test administrator actions, I would like to ask should we recklessly give Admin and bureaucrat right to anyone without confirming if they're Known users on Wikipedia?, I think we should ask them to confirm their account on Meta to know whether they get to benefit from using MediaWiki Tools or just for Fun. | |||
what do you think? | |||
:Thanks [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 17:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
:{{comment}}This issue may be against of privacy, while I'd like to say some of them may not be really well-famed Wikipedia users.[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) | |||
:: {{comment|Reply}} i am not saying we should not give i am saying we just have to install the verification level to know about the Person we give those Rights, Because we don't know if the User is Vandal or Constructive, my Request is nothing but installing a level of verifiably that shows user's Account on Meta or other websites account. [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 14:35, 28 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::{{comment|Reply}} Even though they may be LTAs on metawiki or cross-wiki, you couldn't said they aren't come here for learning how to build castles in sandboxs as students. And some of them really don't want other known their account on Meta, for several reasons.[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 00:09, 29 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::{{comment|Reply}} ok let's hear other's opinion about that, thank you for the interest {{emoji|1F60A|size=28}} [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 01:33, 29 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
I don't think it is necessary or has any advantages to ask for meta confirmation. There was a proposal about restricting bureaucrat rights some months ago which wasn't successful. –[[User:CrazyFisherman|CrazyFisherman]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 22:05, 29 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
::{{ping|千村狐免}},please take a look of this change. | |||
::{{ping|千村狐免}},please take a look of this change. | |||
[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 10:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
:{{ping|Pavlov2}}What?--[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 12:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
:{{comment}}I don't think the administrator's authority should be restricted, even if it is the long-term abuse of meta-wiki or cross-wiki.--[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 12:40, 2 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
: discussion closed i withdraw.[[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 12:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Request Desysopped for Kapol1234 and a checkuser for sockpuppets == | |||
USER:Kapol1234 misused his administrator tools and blocked me wrongly said I'm using sockpuppets. But I can make a promise that these account such as Pavlov3 and MCC214 is definitely not controlled by me. Thus I came here to request for a desysopped for Kapol1234 and a check user between This account, Pavlov3, MCC214 and Kapol1234 himself.{{ping|MacFan4000}} | |||
[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 08:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{ping|MacFan4000}}, In addition, I will be appreciate if you or other Steward could take a look of Kapol1234's log of using administrator tools. Much thanks.[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 08:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{ping|Sakura emad}}[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 08:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
These sockpuppets is not controlled by me , and l think it is controlled by Pavlov2 , because he had using sockpuppets before in Uncyclopedia , lf you check the sockpuppets and my account , please check Pavlov2 same.[[User:Kapol1234|Kapol1234]] ([[User talk:Kapol1234|talk]]) 09:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC){{ping|Sakura emad}}{{ping|MacFan4000}} {{unsigned|kapol1234| 09:38, 11 October 2021}} | |||
i have no technical abilities to check any user's information. [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 13:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{ping|Kapol1234}}You should participate in the steward election to obtain Check user rights.--[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 12:38, 12 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
This discussion is closed，because the proposal is invalid.--[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 12:46, 12 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{reply|千村狐免}}，perhaps not as you said. The Check user rights may be held by Kapol1234 but without check user and said they are my sockpuppets and blocked me may seem as a misuse of administrator tools. For example, a sockpuppet [[User:MCC214]] leaves an attack message even on my talk page.[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 00:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{ping|Kapol1234}}{{ping|Pavlov2}}，Because I think this kind of proposal is disruptive, so I want to close this proposal,And I Think Those Sock puppets Can Duck. --[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 04:26, 13 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{ping|Pavlov2}}{{ping|千村狐免}}I repeat again, this sockpuppet is not held my me.[[User:Kapol1234|Kapol1234]] ([[User talk:Kapol1234|talk]]) 10:26, 13 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{ping|千村狐免}}Where can participate in the steward election to obtain Check user rights?[[User:Kapol1234|Kapol1234]] ([[User talk:Kapol1234|talk]]) 10:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{ping|Kapol1234}} The CheckUser and Oversight permissions here can only be authorized by Stewards and the system administrator, so the proposal you want to be Checkuser is invalid.--[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 09:27, 14 October 2021 (UTC) | |||