Test Wiki:Community portal: Difference between revisions

==Drummingman for stewardship==

::With no one notionally ''opposed'' to [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s election, and the only concern having been raised been related to activity levels, there is clear [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] to promote [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]. On the activity note, while MacFan4000's and my own activity levels is, admittedly, low, we've empowered trusted bureaucrats to functionally assist Stewards in non-test administrative actions and enforcement of our few policies, so there is a lower level ''need'' for high activity. As well, Drummingman's current activity levels, together with my commitment to remain active at least biweekly if not weekly [rfc:2119 ''should''] help to maintain sufficient Steward coverage. On behalf of the Steward team, as well as the Test Wiki community, congratulations! [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

===Support===

*He meets all the requirements to be a Steward. It is also active and reliable. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 17:30, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

*completely supported for this request. [[User:Antonius6317nlwiki|Antonius6317nlwiki]] ([[User talk:Antonius6317nlwiki|talk]]) 10:37, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

*Trusted and experienced user, Drummingman can help as steward. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 17:21, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

===Oppose===

:'''R:''' Thank you for your questions. I will treat people as kindly and politely as I have so far. And offer any explanation and help if they ask. Until proven otherwise, I will assume [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume good faith]] as much as possible. Because Test Wiki is, after all, a test wiki, for administrators tools. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:34, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

:'''R:''' I will only use it in situations such as, removing personal information, copyright infringement, serious personal attacks or other grossly offensive material, as also indicated [[Test_Wiki:Suppress|here]]. Furthermore, I will use my common sense and handle it carefully. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:34, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

:'''R:''' Dear X, I am an [https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal:Gebruikersrechten&uselang=en&user=Drummingman administrator] on the Dutch Wikipedia. In addition, I have several other [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Drummingman (global) rights] on Wikimedia. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

=====Result=====

*'''Promoted to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)'''

:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''</div>

==Newest Block Appeal==

::There is clear [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] from the community here, and, indeed, unanimity in many respects, that Seiyena (ApexAgunomu), by their act of ''not'' [[w:WP:SOCK|socking]], together with their behavioural improvements on other test wiki(s), has demonstrated enough improvement to at least extend another chance here by way of a conditional block. That being said, the community's patience is not endless, and so, per the terms of the conditional unblock described below, to ensure trusted [[Test Wiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrats]], who are also [[Test Wiki:Administrators|administrators]] are able to warn, guard against, or discipline for serious recidivism from their usual infractions and general nonsense, Seiyena is subject, indefinitely, to a community-advised, Steward-imposed user restriction prohibiting them from engaging in racist or racially-insensitive nonsense commentary anywhere and to patent nonsense/gibberish edits outside of their own userspace, as well as limiting them to one (1) user account of their choosing on Test Wiki. What this means is Stewards can tweak or modify the terms and conditions of the restriction, but [rfc:2119 ''should''] seek the community's input, ideally via [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] before a blanket removal of the restriction is undertaken. Should recidivism occur, those trusted bureaucrat-administrators, may employ progressive discipline, on behalf of Stewards, taking the form of a formal warning, temporary rights revocation (i.e., <code>sysop</code>), and short blocks ranging from three days to two weeks. Still, bureaucrat-administrators are encouraged to measure the severity of the infraction with the type of discipline and [rfc:2119 ''should''] recommend changes to the specially-designed [[Special:AbuseFilter|abuse filter]] designed to assist Seiyena in understanding the type of behaviour the community does ''not'' tolerate, rather proceeding immediately to a rights revocation or short block. Where more than three forms of progressive discipline have occurred, they may be reblocked, indefinitely, ideally by a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]. That being said, I recognize Stewards are not always active, so if a Steward does not show up, a bureaucrat-administrator may reblock, temporarily, for as long as necessary until a Steward shows up to reblock. Regarding the progressive discipline, as described below, should one bureaucrat-administrator disagree with another bureaucrat-administrator's form of formal discipline, they may involve either a Steward or another uninvolved bureaucrat-administrator to assess whether the issuance of progressive discipline was fair and reasonable. [[User:Q8j|Q8j]], should you have additional comments or suggestions to add, please feel free to add them below this close, within this section. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

:'''Procedural comment:''' I have been in communication with Seiyena since March on IRC and encouraged them to articulate an appeal, via their user talk page, and be sure to specify conditions under which they may be reblocked and by ''whom'' should they violate their own conditions and, crucially, their time for minimum appeal. I apologize to [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] for my delay in following up here, but I will aim to review this community discussion together with their appeal on their user talk page this weekend. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:11, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

*Seiyena is a difficult case, she has caused quite a bit of disruption cross-wiki, besides, she has already had many opportunities on this Test Wiki. I am taking a '''neutral stance''' on it. Should it be decided that she may be unblocked, <s>this does seem to me to be the very last chance</s>. Anyway, I think one of the current stewards should make the decision, since Dmehus already gave her a chance. To which it can be said that he only opened the talk page for [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=35209 her]. Then later I closed [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=35550 it] for [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Seiyena&diff=prev&oldid=26060 abuse]. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:18, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

*'''Proposed terms of conditional unblock.''' It looks like '''''most''''' of the participants here are in favour of some form of a conditional unblock, so I think we can move forward with proposed terms. For starters, and to be abundantly clear, I've seen some user(s) mention a "final unblock," I am never in favour of a "final chance" unblock. Rather, what I ''am'' in favour of is strict terms under which the user may be unblocked and reblocked as necessary. Any reblock [rfc:2119 should ''not''] be a final block, either, but rather, to ensure Stewards' and, where applicable, the community's time are not wasted, I believe it's important to specify the minimum timeframe before subsequent appeals are considered.

:Functionally, I propose the following, as a '''community-advised [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] conditional unblock and indefinite user restriction'''. Functionally, what does this mean versus a community block? In practice, there is not much difference, except that it's a Steward conditional unblock and indefinite user restriction, so they are free to manage terms, rather than have the community micro-manage minor aspects. They [rfc:2119 ''should''] still seek the community's input before removal of the blanked user restriction and/or complete removal of the terms of the unblock conditions. It ''does'' provide for some flexibility in terms of removing said conditions, though.

:*Refrain from using racist or racially-insensitive commentary in the wikitext of pages, templates, etc., broadly construed;

:*Refrain from using gibberish or patent nonsense, also fairly broadly construed, outside of community sandboxes, fairly narrowly construed, or their own userspace (including subpages of their own userspace);

:*Be limited to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> user group for at least '''two (2) to four (4) weeks''' following closing of this discussion, after which they ''may'' be given <code>[[Test Wiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]]</code> when two (2) or more Test Wiki bureaucrats in good standing agree to grant the group. [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] may also agree to grant the group, but for this purpose, as I will be closing this discussion, should that be ''me'', I will gain concurrence from at lease one other bureaucrat; and,

:*Be limited to one (1) user account, indefinitely, on Test Wiki, being [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]].

:*The specific abuse filter(s) that [[User:Chrs|Chrs]] created be maintained, and Test Wiki bureaucrat-sysops are encouraged to request enhancements, as required, where such nonsense/gibberish filters through.

:*Where such nonsense/gibberish ''does'' seep through, bureaucrat-sysops ''are'' encouraged to guide them, by giving them a friendly reminder on their [[User talk:Seiyena|user talk page]], including noting the next-level consequence.

:*Next-level consequences would include rights removal for a short period of between three (3) days and two weeks (14) days. Where <code>sysop</code> rights are removed, they may still be granted appropriate rights below <code>sysop</code>, if useful (i.e., ability to view deleted revisions to analyze their mistakes)

:*Short blocks, ideally consented to by two bureaucrat-sysops, a Steward, or a Steward and bureaucrat-sysop (if me) of the same duration as the rights removal are considered appropriate next-level consequences

:*Once three next-level consequences, including the rights removal, are received, two bureaucrat-sysops may reblock for one-month until a Steward can indefinitely block them. If they are reblocked indefinitely by a Steward, that is ''not'' their "last chance," but rather, appeals will '''not''' be considered for at least three months.

:*'''Important note:''' Where sockpuppetry is suspected, the suspected socks ''may'' be blocked indefinitely (but ''do'' use [[w:WP:DUCK|obvious]] evidence!) and a warning immediately issued to their [[User talk:Seiyena|user talk page]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

:*'''Opportunity for others to comment and, hopefully, Sav, Q8j, and Drummingman''' will weigh in.

:*'''[[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]]'s agreement (signature and timestamp); a bureaucrat-sysop can please copy over from their [[User talk:Seiyena|user talk page]], linking to the [[Special:Diff|diff]] there in the wikitext of this page ''and'' an edit summary:'''

:*:I have read the conditions of the proposed unblock and agree to them. [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 23:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC), <small>'''copied per [[Special:Diff/26933|this diff]]''' by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)</small>

:*::Dear, [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] I agree with you, and am now also ''against a last chance'' and have therefore crossed out my comment above. I find the proposals reasonable and agree with them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 09:24, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''</div>

==[[User:X|X]]'s request for stewardship==

*::The reason is that I also see [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Euphoria&oldid=26877 edits] on this wiki that I don't expect from a steward. "Copied from talk page". ''Re-instated but changed to 15 day grace period to line up with June 3rd. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:16, 19 May 2023 (UTC)'' Reducing an admin period from indefinite to 2 weeks when the 3 months are not yet up, is neither friendly nor polite in my opinion. I had [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test%20Wiki:Community%20portal&diff=prev&oldid=26878 changed] my vote from support to neutral when I saw that. But I don't think it's enough to oppose it because there are too few stewards, I kindly ask X to be more careful in the future. Maybe at a later time I will possibly be willing to support it. But for now, neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 06:29, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

==Potential Rename for Me==

=="Grace Period"==

:::::::::{{Ping|X}} That sounds good. I don't like conflict, either :-). What is most important to me is to respect each other's authority and not start a wheel war over this. I look forward to your opinions, feel free to add anything? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] ^{[[User talk:Summer|talk]]} 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

*'''Partrially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)