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CU Request

Extension of stewardship flag


Account rename

Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity

Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward

Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:

  • Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;
  • The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;

This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. X (talk) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Support - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. Drummingman (talk) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
  Support AlPaD (talk) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
  Support as proposer. X (talk) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
  Oppose viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk,   Support the rest. Zippybonzo (talk) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @Drummingman requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. X (talk) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. Drummingman (talk) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. Dmehus (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. Zippybonzo (talk) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
  Support: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. Justarandomamerican (talk) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
  Oppose per Zippybonzo. Dmehus (talk) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
So would you support it without view suppressed? X (talk) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Yes. There does seem to be unanimous consensus here to at least checkuser-log being added. Dmehus (talk) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
  Neutral - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) (contribs) (rights) (block) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Possible close?

Drummingman, AlPaD, X, Zippybonzo, Justarandomamerican, and Tailsultimatefan3891, I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as successful with checkuser-log added to the steward group and all other user groups remaining the same? Dmehus (talk) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

I agree. Drummingman (talk) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
I agree Zippybonzo (talk) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
I agree. AlPaD (talk) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Support proposed close and involved closure

Object to proposed close

  • I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. X (talk) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to suppression-log is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
    X and Justarandomamerican, I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's Special:Log/suppress displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the steward user group. For all or most pages in (Main) namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think Zippybonzo was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within User: and User talk: namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's CheckUser hat. Dmehus (talk) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
    You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. X (talk) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
    That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) Dmehus (talk) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
    Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
    Agreed. :) Dmehus (talk) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
    I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
    On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? Dmehus (talk) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
    Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… X (talk) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
    A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Requests for stewardship X

User:Example

Greetings, @Drummingman: @Dmehus:.

I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. X (talk) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. Drummingman (talk) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Block proxy 159.89.228.253

Status:   Done

  • 159.89.228.253 - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).

Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) (contribs) (rights) (block)

Block numberous proxies

Status:   Done

I am not an admin.

Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) (contribs) (rights) (block) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Also block: 13.81.217.201. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) (contribs) (rights) (block) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Done X (talk) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Also block: 51.38.191.151. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) (contribs) (rights) (block) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Done X (talk) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Also block: 162.144.233.16. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) (contribs) (rights) (block) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Done X performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) (contribs) (rights) (block) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Also block: 72.195.34.59. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) (contribs) (rights) (block) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Done performed by X. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) (contribs) (rights) (block) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Also block: 98.188.47.132. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) (contribs) (rights) (block) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) Reply

Proxy bot

Rename Request

Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Support as it will create consistency with other projects. X (talk) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Pinging @MacFan4000: @Dmehus: @Drummingman: Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) (contribs) (rights) (block) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Done MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thank you so much! Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Possible sockpuppetry

Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below

Block proxies, users, and IPs: User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests

Note: I am not an admin. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) (contribs) (rights) (block) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Change group membership for user Example

Add IPBE privilege

Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha

Nomination

Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha. Tailsultimatefan3891 (T | C | UR | B) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Also, MacFan4000 can choose a dark or light theme of hCaptcha box, and normal or compact size of hCaptcha box. Tailsultimatefan3891 (T | C | UR | B) 20:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Support

Oppose

Neutral

Comments

  • This should not need a full community discussion, as it's (a) a technical change and (b) quite a non-controversial one. We haven't had many issues with reCAPTCHA here, like Miraheze has/had, so it's not that urgent. I think we can let MacFan4000 decide when/if to switch to hCAPTCHA. I personally would have no objections to that change. Dmehus (talk) 20:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Result

Potential RfS candidate

Hello. I'm considering running for Stewardship sometime in the near future. I would be assisted greatly by the Steward tools, given that my main edits consist of preventing abuse. I also think the community needs another Steward due to the fact that we have 3 Stewards, and only 1 is fully active, and people cannot manage every Steward-reserved matter by themselves. I would add additional coverage to spot and prevent complex disruption, such as by users who lack the skills necessary to edit. My question is, what does the community think? Add feedback here in the Survey section below. Justarandomamerican (talk) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Reply