User talk:Piccadilly

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My talk page archive: https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/User_talk:Seiyena/Archive

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thank for your reverts and deletions of blatant vandalism from 162.221.168.71, a cross-platform, cross-wiki long-term abuse case. Based on my initial Steward review of the situation, there was no further abuse, which is good, and you, DarkMatterMan4500, and LisafBia all handled the situation great. Dmehus (talk) 08:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

About the most recent filter 88 hit

Just making a note here that I definitely will not go back to using bad words or slurs here like I used to do. I actually didn't think that would be stopped by the filter; I intended to make that page and then delete it. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 12:29, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I’m just questioning why you did it anyway, even if it didn’t trigger, someone would notice and then fix filter 88. , Can you provide a reason as to why you tried to trigger it anyway. Zippybonzo (talk) 21:38, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Because I wanted to make a test page to delete, and at the time I was thiniking what I posted about something in real life. Since it wasn't insulting or name-calling, I didn't see anything wrong with using that on the test page. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 21:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Any explanation on the triggering on the 25th? Also, I put the request on hold until I get some opinions. (ping on reply)Zippybonzo (talk) 21:47, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

The one with the random letters was me doing something silly. Like I said above, I thought it wasn't too significant because I wasn't insulting anyone or using slurs. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 21:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I’m not in a position to answer the request without some other crat opinions, but I would probably lean towards granting if you don’t intentionally do something that you know triggers filter 88. I am pleased about there slurs stopping and I think you migh end up waiting another week just because the other crats want that. But I am quite lenient, also, are you FirstNoelle on PublicTestWiki, just because someone on Qualitypedia or whatever it’s called blocked FirstNoelle as a sock of your account there. And given most of the users here are also on that wiki, that might change things. Zippybonzo (talk) 22:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

No, I am not FirstNoelle on any wiki. But I am ApexAgunomu. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 22:10, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for telling me this stuff. Zippybonzo (talk) 22:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

You're welcome. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 22:18, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Your recent actions

May I ask why you felt it appropriate to upload pornographic content to TestWiki? — Arcversin (talk) 23:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I had that screenshot lying on my phone and since I intended to delete the image immediately after uploading it, I never thought anyone would see it. Thus, I thought there was no harm if I did that. But I won't upload any more pictures like that. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 23:27, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Why did you upload it in the first place? — Arcversin (talk) 23:29, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I was testing image uploading and since I didn't have a lot of time, I chose the first image I came across. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 23:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Seiyena. Your actions are inexcusable. Considering the countless chances we have given you, just for you to abuse them, I think it is fair to say you are no longer welcome to the Test Wiki's sysop permissions. However, if a Steward disagrees with this, then of course you can create a new RFP. There is no excuse to upload pornographic content to the TestWiki under any circumstances. Trayfel • ( Edits | Talk ) 00:29, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I admit it was not one of my best decisions. However, I still think that since I deleted it right afterwards, it didn't seem too serious. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 00:35, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Restored reasonable and limited use of your user talk page

Hi Seiyena,

Apologies for the delayed response. I have restored your use of your user talk page on your main account, to discourage continued illegitimate sockpuppetry, as well as reasonable use of Special:EmailUser, since you said you had issues e-mailing staff[at]testwiki.wiki directly. Given your recent sockpuppetry, I would strongly suggest waiting at least two weeks before appealing. When you appeal, I would suggest you clearly:

1. Articulate what you have done wrong and what's frustrated fellow community members (including the illegitimate sockpuppetry, of course, but what are the main reasons)
2. How you aim to improve and what control measures you require
3. What you propose in terms of progressive discipline for contraventions

Thanks,
Dmehus (talk) 02:29, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for allowing me to edit my talk page again. I will be thinking about the points you brought up and make an unblock appeal in a couple of weeks, which I hope I can use to show that I am more mature now. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 02:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Okay, that sounds good. Also, please avoid Miraheze for now. Let's work on reintegrating here first, then after the community here is satisfied, they can recommend your re-entry to Miraheze. :) Dmehus (talk) 03:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

All right, I'll stop trying to evade my lock on Miraheze and focus on actually changing my behavior so I can be welcome back there someday. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 04:03, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Things to note here

1. Issues
-Bad words and evading the abuse filter
-Continuing to repeat bad behavior even after saying I'd stop
-Editing filter 88 after being told to leave it alone
-I also uploaded an inappropiate image here as a test and even though I deleted it right afterwards, I never should have uploaded that kind of image to begin with
-Asking for permissions when I wasn't supposed to

2. I plan to improve my actions here by only testing on pages that are either in my userspace or marked clearly as test pages. I will not evade filter 88 in any shape or form, and I will acknowledge any correctiona or advice given, and follow that advice. And I will not repeat any of my misbehavior from before.

As for any control measures I think are needed, the only one I can think of right now is keeping filter 88 active, with perhaps the modification that I mention below.

A note about filter 88: Right now filter 88 is set to simply disallow the action that is trying to be performed. Maybe that should be changed to instead issue a 3-day block any time the filter is triggered as well as remove from any special groups like admin or bureaucrat. I think that might make it more effective at its job and also not cause it to be triggered. This proposal would need a steward's help to implement if it's approved since it involves adding restricted actions. But I do think this might be beneficial to the target of the filter.

3. Proposed handling of further issues here
-First Instance: Warning (plus adding to the abuse filter if needed)
-Second Instance: Removal of Permissions for 2 weeks (which may be enforced with a block from the Request Permissions page)
-Third Instance: Block (either timed or indefinite, will leave to discretion, but preferably with talk page access on)

P.S. If anyone else has any comments on what I'm writing here, feel free to add.

Question About My Appeal

@Dmehus:, when I do appeal my block, can any admin or bureaucrat review and take action on the appeal, or can only a steward do that? Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 01:19, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Seiyena, Thank you for your response, and thank you for making some notes above. That shows positive progress, [rfc:2119 should] help in your appeal. With regard to your appeal, in addition to noting your problems, I strongly recommend you include easy and swift consequences that could be taken, potentially by bureaucrats and stewards alike. For example, if a problematic word is not in the abuse filter, I would recommend suggesting any bureaucrat to strengthen the abuse filter as well as provide you with an obligatory warning. If you repeat similar problematic behaviour, a one- or two-week desysop should follow. A third instance would be followed by a one- or two-week block, and a fourth instance would result in a Steward re-imposing a three-month or indefinite sitewide block, to last for a minimum of three months. Hope that helps. Dmehus (talk) 23:08, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply and tips, Dmehus. I do like the steps you propose, but I know one issue people have had is that I've had multiple chances here, and I guess they would like that to change, so that's why I had said "one warning, then indefinite block" above. But I think what you propose is reasonable, so I'll work that into my plan above. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 19:08, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Also, @Dmehus:, if I am unblocked, would there be any rules on when I can ask for permissions here again? Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 20:27, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Name Change Request

Hi @Dmehus:, is there any chance I could be renamed to ApexAgunomu please? Thanks! Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 01:28, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Block Appeal

Hi Mac, I understand your issue with my evasion of my lock on Miraheze, and I will not repeat that any more. However, I don't recall any times I've been inappropiate on IRC. I lurk in the miraheze overflow channel along with a few others, but I almost never say anything in those channels. And I am almost certain I have never said anything inappropiate or spammed anywhere on IRC. I just wanted to mention that because I honestly don't know what inappropiate IRC conduct you're talking about. But nevertheless, I will wait awhile longer before trying to get unblicked here again. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 15:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Seiyena: I suggest you quit trying to appeal your block. As Mac stated, you will not be unblocked anytime soon. Give it a rest please. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 10:33, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

I won't ask to be unblocked for a while, and I'll try to improve my behavior in other places so I show that I can be trusted here. I just have one question: how long should I wait before asking to be unblocked? Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 19:22, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Don't ask at all. When the Stewards and Bureaucrats feel you are ready to rejoin the community, you will be notified. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 13:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Could someone please look at my appeal?

I apologize if I sound impatient, but if possible I would really appreciate it if someone could review my appeal and either accept or decline it. I don't know if only a steward can act on this appeal, but since both stewards are mostly inactive here, I don't think it would hurt if maybe another active admin or bureaucrat makes the call on whether to unblock me or not. I will accept and abide by any conditions or restrictions that might be put in place. Thanks. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 02:51, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Talk page access restored

Hello Apex/Seiyena,

I have enabled your ability to edit your talk page. This page may be used for appeals only and any abuse will result in an immediate removal of TPA. X (talk) 16:41, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Newest Block Appeal

Moved to Test Wiki:Community portal. If you wish to comment to someone on the CP, let me know and I'll copy it there. X (talk) 13:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

As per Dmehus' encouragement, here is my proposal for handling future issues here, should they arise.

-First Instance: Removal of Permissions for 2 weeks (which may be enforced with a block from the Request Permissions page) -Second Instance: Block by any admin, bureaucrat or steward (either timed or indefinite, will leave to discretion, but preferably with talk page access on)

I am also willing to accept any conditions that may be placed on my being unblocked. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 11:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

 Unblocked. Contact a bureaucrat if you would like to be granted administrator rights. I also suggest you read the conditions of your unblock in full (posted by Dmehus) on the community portal. X (talk) 12:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, and yes I would like admin rights. I will go read the community portal now. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 12:17, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done. X (talk) 12:33, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the proposed unblock conditions

I have read the conditions of the proposed unblock and agree to them. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 23:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Can someone please copy my agreement above to the Community Portal so it's plainly visible to everyone that I'm okay with the proposed conditions? (Or maybe I could be temporarily unblocked to exclusively take part in the discussion there?) Thanks. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 01:27, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done. X (talk) 01:51, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Rename Request

@Dmehus:}, could my name be changed to Piccadilly please? It's my name on another test wiki and the name I hope to use eventually on Miraheze. Thank you! Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 00:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Seiyena, I'm willing to proceed with this, but I would like to have two or three recently active members of the community endorse this rename request. As well, per my message to you on IRC, it may actually be desirable for you to use the same name on Miraheze here (ApexAgunomu), so as for Miraheze community members to more easily assess your recent edits and behaviour, but I guess that is not essential. That will be up to you. :) Dmehus (talk) 00:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for being willing to do this, and I would like to proceed with this if two or three others agree. Should I bring this to the community portal? Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 00:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

While I supported a rename on For-test wiki, I  Oppose a rename here. We have specific restrictions on your ability to edit and request rights, so renaming would cause a lot of confusion. If/when these restrictions are removed, I would  Support an unblock. X (talk) 00:17, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Seiyena, you can post a note at Test Wiki:Community portal inviting users to consider expressing any arguments for/against a rename here, if you want, but I think this is a fine venue. Stewards will consider the arguments made (it won't be a community !vote) in determining whether to allow a rename. Dmehus (talk) 00:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

All right, I'll let them know and ask them to comment on this page so we can keep the discussion in one place. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 00:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Your bureaucrat rights request

Please be sure you review the closure of your conditional unblock, specifically Dmehus's comment which outlines your restrictions. One of these is as follows:

• Be limited to the sysop user group for at least two (2) to four (4) weeks following closing of this discussion, after which they may be given bureaucrat when two (2) or more Test Wiki bureaucrats in good standing agree to grant the group.

That is why I declined your request. X (talk) 17:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll go review that section. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 17:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Warning - testing on talk pages

Like I have already reminded you cross-wiki, don’t test on talk pages, unless there is a specific reason. They are considered non-test pages, used for discussion of the actual testing page. I trust your FTW block doesn’t need to extend here. X (talk) 11:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

No the block doesn't need to be extended. I'll test only on the appropiate pages here. Seiyena (My Contribs | Talk to me) 11:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Last Warning- Testing on Talk Pages

You have been told once to stop doing this, and as per the terms of your conditional unblock, this is a formal warning, and any further disruption may be prevented by rights revocation or blocks. Justarandomamerican (talk) 17:46, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

I do apologise for butting in but how many chances are we going to give this user? They clearly are reverting back to their old ways, even when promising they have changed. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 03:19, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

This is a last warning. I thought that a block may not yet be absolutely necessary to prevent disruption, so this warning was given. I am merely using every available method to deter the disruption before blocking, as I treat blocks as an absolute last resort to prevent said disruption, even if the user has a long history. Justarandomamerican (talk) 10:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with @Justarandomamerican‘s approach to this. Upon any further abuse, an indefinite block will be placed. X (talk) 10:59, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Blocking then is indeed an option, but indefinite time was mentioned by Dmehus as the last option and seems to me to be going a bit too far here. Quote:

• Next-level consequences would include rights removal for a short period of between three (3) days and two weeks (14) days. Where sysop rights are removed, they may still be granted appropriate rights below sysop, if useful (i.e., ability to view deleted revisions to analyze their mistakes)
• Short blocks, ideally consented to by two bureaucrat-sysops, a Steward, or a Steward and bureaucrat-sysop (if me) of the same duration as the rights removal are considered appropriate next-level consequences
• Once three next-level consequences, including the rights removal, are received, two bureaucrat-sysops may reblock for one-month until a Steward can indefinitely block them. If they are reblocked indefinitely by a Steward, that is not their "last chance," but rather, appeals will not be considered for at least three months.

Drummingman (talk) 14:45, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I am aware of what was discussed, but part of the reason @Seiyena was unblocked was because of their positive behavior on For-Test Wiki. They have since been blocked for 1 week there and on a last warning. X (talk) 17:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

While a next-level consequence may have indeed been warranted here, and the duration is reasonable, if the problem was occurring in Talk: related namespaces, why was a partial block not considered, and why was the rights removal also done? In my view, if Seiyena unblocked themselves, then the rights removal would have been justified. Dmehus (talk) 19:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Dmehus I didn’t partial block because I didn’t want to deviate from the guidelines you initially set out. Feel free to change the block as you see fit. For the rights removal, I removed right’s because they have unblocked themselves cross wiki when I didn’t revoke sysop. Just thought it best to take precautions here. X (talk) 20:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, that's fair regarding the rights removal, though we really shouldn't take into consideration their behaviour on For Test Wiki. Thank you for your response regarding not using the partial block; that is definitely taking my guidelines very literally and a narrow interpretation. For greater clarity, where I write block, I meant partial block or sitewide block. Justarandomamerican, since you blocked Seiyena first, did you consider a partial block? Dmehus (talk) 21:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Um, I definitely want to here @Justarandomamerican‘s opinion, but they didn’t place the block. X (talk) 21:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Dmehus: I have not blocked Seiyena once on this wiki, although as the person giving this formal warning, I recommend a partial block from all talk namespaces for around 2 weeks, and then if the disruption continues in the talk namespaces or elsewhere, an indefinite sitewide block should be placed by a Steward or a trusted Bureaucrat. I think that the nature of the abuse calls for it: Seiyena has been warned twice about disruptive behavior since her conditional unblock was placed, and has already been blocked numerous times. To continue disruption would demonstrate an incapability or refusal to stop disruptive behavior when asked, warranting an indefinite block pending explanation and proof of actual competency. Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)