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::Nope. It's a manual process. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
::Nope. It's a manual process. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Would be at least 3 months at least I can suggest. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Would be at least 3 months at least I can suggest. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

==Proposal==
{{Discussion top|I've decided my idea needs some work. Thanks to everyone for the advice. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC) }}

Just like we have a disqualification section in bureaucrat policy why don’t we have a steward policy that covers how does the rights of stewards and non-steward suppressor are removed.I have noticed that some users with advanced rights i.e, steward and NSS remain inactive most of the time and come by once to make some little changes or perform actions once in 1-2 months so they can retain their rights. For example EPIC Who is a Wikimedia steward and hold administrator right at Swedish Wikipedia, I think he’s a bit busy that he can actively contribute to this project and same goes with Doug a.k.a. Dmehus who is semi active at Miraheze and really inactive at this project.Additionally X has been active for past few days. With this in mind I think we definitely need a way where the community can remove such advanced rights from the users through voting. Such a resolution can be taken place when at least one or more steward and or 5 or more Crats are supporting that proposals.This way we can hold the users accountable for misuses also [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 14:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

:While this is happening, one of the bulk changes will be an addition of the consul permission, which can handle up to 6 months of inactivity to handle their rights and instead stewards can handle up to 9 months of inactivity to handle their rights. This may interfere with this discussion. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
:This needs to be fleshed out more: What sort of consensus is required to remove Steward rights? What sort of consensus is required to remove NSS rights? How will the system prevent trolls or people holding [[WP:WP:battleground|grudges]] from missing it? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 04:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::Well '''it is not remove Steward rights. It is to add Consul rights between Bureaucrat and Steward rights.''' {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 11:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] You should start a new section for discussion of consul permissions; please carry out only steward policy-related discussion here. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 14:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::'''Reasons for Removal'''
::The rights for stewards and NSS can be removed only under two circumstances:
::1.) Misuse of Rights: Any actions taken by a steward or NSS that are deemed as a misuse of their powers.
::2.) Inactivity: A period of inactivity that is less than that specified in the inactivity policy.
::'''Initiating a Resolution'''
::To initiate the removal of rights, a resolution must be started at the community portal. The specific requirements for starting such a resolution are as follows:
::For Stewards: The resolution must be supported by at least 2 stewards and/or 5 bureaucrats.
::For NSS: The resolution must be supported by at least 1 steward and/or 1 NSS and/or 4 bureaucrats.
::'''Discussion and Voting Period'''
::Once a resolution is initiated:
::''Discussion Period'': The discussion must last for a minimum of 14 days and can extend up to a maximum of 30 days. This period allows for a thorough and reflective conversation among community members.
::''Voting Period'': Voting will commence after one week of discussion.
::'''Voting Requirements'''
::In order to vote in the redesign, the user must have bureaucratic rights and have made 50 edits since acquiring admin rights
::'''To ensure the removal of rights:'''
::For Stewards: At least '''80%''' of the votes must support the removal.
::For NSS: At least '''70'''% of the votes must support the removal. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 14:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]],this isn't perfect and it is just an idea of what purpose this would serve, if there is community consensus for the policy then I will proceed further [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 18:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:::<s>I would {{support|support}} the idea of adding to the [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Stewards]] page or creating some sort of [[Test Wiki:Removal of non-test rights]] page to make such provisions. I prefer the former. I feel it would be useful. </s> [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::::In my opinions, I would {{Support}} this proposal. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 18:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Once I reach home I will make up the page as it seems there is community consensus for it [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 04:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::<s> I would {{support}} it, but with the following additional condition: Only users who have at least the bureaucratic right, and who have made at least 50 (non-vandalistic) edits two weeks before the start of the discussion period, can vote during the impeachment process. This is to prevent trolls/vandals or troublemakers etc. from deploying sock puppets and/or meat puppets. Of course, other users who cannot meet those requirements are allowed to keep participating in the discussion of course they are not allowed to use sock puppets, and they are not allowed to vote. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC) </s>
:::::How does this apply to system administrators? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
::::::support provisionally crossed out due to practical concerns, from Justarandomamerican. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:TheAstorPastor|TheAstorPastor]] The only way I can think of is for stewards to have access to user rights and the server without being System administrators. This is to be able to add and remove rights; otherwise you have a system that is not foolproof. I honestly wonder if this is all well-thought-out now that I see these practical objections? We are a small community, this seems very difficult. A possible solution could also be, merge stewards and SA into the new users right 'Steward'. If 2 stewards or fewer remain, impeachment from the community is not possible. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I still would {{Support}} this proposal, but for the resolutions, for the stewards, 2 stewards and/or 4 NSS and/or 4 AFAs, and/or 5 bureaucrats and/or 15 administrators, and for the NSSes and AFAs, 1 steward, 2 AFAs and/or 2 NSS and/or 4 bureaucrats and/or 12 administrators. But I am not sure because the upcoming consul permission may interfere with the requirements. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 01:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Oppose}} the removal of system administrator right. As a steward combined they can be so powerful that they can lock the database or grant all user rights. However, later, I will announce the consul right as in between bureaucrat and steward, as an equivalent to sheriff on thetestwiki.org so system administrator rights will be slightly more rarely given than earlier to keep it balanced. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 01:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] and @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] Well SA rights can be removed in a similar fashion i.e, 2 steward, and or 5 bureaucrat .We are a small community with 4 Steward,2 NSS and 2 SA.If there is 2 steward then definitely the impeachment is not possible but there is another way that is 5 bureaucrats. Existing steward may check user the votes so there is no sockpuppetry or meat puppetry. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 11:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::Another possibility is that SA rights can't be removed for inactivity, which is less than specified in [[TW:IP]] because we only have 2 SA, out of which MacFan4000 remains inactive most of the time. But they can be removed for misuse. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 11:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{neutral}} at this point. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] Do you think that I should proceed with the policy or wait a little bit longer? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::It would need to be closed by an uninvolved user, and I would not say that consensus has been reached yet. I would suggest taking all the feedback you’ve received and create a user subpage of what the updated rights pages would look like and create a new thread for the community to vote on. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 15:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Thanks for the feedback. Would you care to close the thread? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am now also {{neutral}} because, no practical solution has been found for the SA combination stewards. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::Sorry to argue about this, but system administrator rights are very powerful and I oppose on this decision. Like again:
::::::::::::"I still would {{Support}} this proposal, but for the resolutions, for the stewards, 2 stewards and/or 4 NSS and/or 4 AFAs, and/or 5 bureaucrats and/or 15 administrators, and for the NSSes and AFAs, 1 steward, 2 AFAs and/or 2 NSS and/or 4 bureaucrats and/or 12 administrators. But I am not sure because the upcoming consul permission may interfere with the requirements."
::::::::::::And another statement I made:
::::::::::::"{{Oppose}} the removal of system administrator right. As a steward combined they can be so powerful that they can lock the database or grant all user rights. However, later, I will announce the consul right as in between bureaucrat and steward, as an equivalent to sheriff on thetestwiki.org so system administrator rights will be slightly more rarely given than earlier to keep it balanced."
::::::::::::In addition, non-bureaucrats can vote during the impeachment process as long as they made at least 70 (non-vandalism) edits 1 week prior to, has been registered for at least 1 month, and needs to be an administrator. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 22:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
{{Discussion bottom}}

==Bureaucracy of Tailsultimatefan3891==
{{Discussion top|{{not done}}. Consensus is clearly against TUF receiving 'crat rights. I suggest to Tailsultimatefan to take the feedback to heart and wait 2 weeks to a month before requesting crat here or to a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)}}
{{userlinks|Tailsultimatefan3891}} {{RfP apl}}
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*'''Requested right''': <!-- Add the right you are requesting here (Administrator, Bureaucrat, Interface administrator) --> Bureaucrat (indef or until inactive for 3 months)
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*[I agree] I am familiar with all of [[:Category:Test Wiki policies|Test Wiki's policies]] and agree to follow them completely.
*[I also agree] I agree that I am entirely responsible for all actions done under this account, including actions performed under this account by someone other than myself.
*[I also agree] I agree that if I misuse the tools, my access might be revoked and I may be banned from Test Wiki without prior warning.
*[I also agree] Note this right can only be granted by stewards.

'''Other comments''': <!-- You may use this space to insert other comments relevant to your request --> I would suggest passing a vote here. I know what are the risks here. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

===Support===
*{{Support|Suppose}}, like mines! [[User:MihaiAdmin1|MihaiAdmin1]] ([[User talk:MihaiAdmin1|talk]]) 20:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::Sockpuppetry suspected. I assume the stewards are investigating. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 20:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:::No relation between Mihai and Tailsultimatefan. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it was not me who did it by confirmation. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 16:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Is the vote still valid? Said user is blocked [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 20:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
*{{support|Weak support}} They haven't created any problems since acquiring the rights. Let's give them a temporary crat bit which can later be extended to permanent [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
*:What is the duration recommended? {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 16:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
*::One month, at the minimum? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 03:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
*::That's for stewards to decide [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::Maybe so. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 22:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{support}} If I recall correctly, this user has not done anything wrong recently, in the sense of violating policies. However, pretty much of what X said is true. But me personally, I don't have any problems with giving this user bureaucrat rights, but I'd also like to see them address the problems X has stated from the oppose and neutral sections. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 08:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
*:Are you aware of the problems caused by the requester and still give your support? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 20:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

===Oppose===
*{{Oppose|Strongly oppose}} Acts like he's a steward (always wants to lecture me), even if he means good, it's kind of annoying... For example [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=next&oldid=45107 this] or especially [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=next&oldid=45126 this]! As I said, even if it's meant good, one don't have to act like a steward if one isn't one! Furthermore, the requester assumes that he would be exempt from the inactivity policy (see behind '''Requested right''') --[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 20:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}} I haven’t seen a clear demonstration of maturity and knowledge of wiki norms to feel comfortable supporting this. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 17:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
*:Why? {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
*::For one, you “supported” your own rights request above. You also left a comment saying you supported a users block, which I reverted. I’ve been back from my wiki break for only 2 days and have already seen two things that don’t show knowledge of community norms. That is why I am not comfortable at this time. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::OK. You can change your vote at any time before voting ends. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 01:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
*::::I am aware, yes. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::::I got it! OK. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 02:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::::I think he meant, that you ''should'' change your vote [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 20:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
*::::::As I said, I just think [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 20:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}} The user needs to get to know the policies for a while. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 15:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
*:I already know it. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 23:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}} Per X's comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 06:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
*:I already know it. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 23:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{o}} [[User:Gepard|<span style="color:grey;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Gepard</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Gepard|''talk'']]</sub> 14:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

===Neutral/Abstain===
*{{neutral}} Per X. [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
*:Please note that this is a vote from a non-sysop. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 01:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
*::This, yet again, shows a lack of understanding of our policies. Non-sysops are permitted to voice their opinion in community discussions and their user rights hold no weight on their voting ability. Also, username is the alternative account of @[[User:Tsukushi|Jody]], a crat. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::I got it! OK. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 02:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

===Comments===
:Sometimes, I see some (if not most) of their edits in [[Abuse filter test]] trying to trigger and test some filters. Maybe you should do other non-test work here. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 23:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::It is just a test. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 23:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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==Suppression Reports==
==Suppression Reports==
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==Welcoming users==
==Welcoming users==
We should welcome a newly-registered user when they make their first edit. Not before, but after. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 01:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
We should welcome a newly-registered user when they make their first edit. Not before, but after. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 01:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

==Requests for approval (bot)==

{{Discussion top|{{done}}! Was granted [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 00:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)}}
Hello all, I have created a bot account named [[User:DR bot]] for maintenance tasks on this wiki. The first task I want to perform with this bot is to archive discussions on pages like the community portal, user talk pages, and other discussion venues. Therefore, I am requesting approval from the community. I'm also happy to assist with other tasks as needed. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 16:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

:I am against a bot archiving user talk pages, people should and do have the freedom to archive whenever. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 20:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
::I would assume such a bot would be opt-in, as I would oppose mandatory archival myself. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
:::This seems very uncontroversial if user talks are opt-in. We don’t have a RfBA here, @[[User:DR|DR]], so you are welcome to move forward with your bot. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 23:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], @[[User:Sav|Sav]], @[[User:X|X]] This bot will not archive user talk page messages on its own. It will only do so if the following template is present. Users can add this template if they want to archive messages automatically.
::::<code>
::::<nowiki>{{User:DR/config</nowiki>
::::|archive = User talk:DR/Archive %(counter)d
::::|algo = old(1d)
::::|counter = 1
::::|maxarchivesize = 10k
::::|archiveheader =
::::|minthreadstoarchive = 1
::::|minthreadsleft = 1
::::<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
::::</code> [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 02:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in that case, I'll go ahead and give your bot the green flag. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, that changes my opinion. All good with me :) [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::Great, I will work on the documentation for this template. After that, we can set up auto-archiving for the community portal and the permissions request page. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 15:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:DR|DR]] Can you shed light on other tasks this bot will perform? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 12:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
::I currently don't have any other tasks, but I am available to help with anything if someone needs. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 12:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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==Interface administrator==
==Interface administrator==

Since there is nothing more for me to do here, I would like to be a {{MediaWiki:group-interface-admin-member}}... I would mainly take care of the gadgets, adding or removing scripts (if desired) there and translating them... Since I seem to have plenty of time until candidate as steward/system administrator, I would at least to do this!
Since there is nothing more for me to do here, I would like to be a {{MediaWiki:group-interface-admin-member}}... I would mainly take care of the gadgets, adding or removing scripts (if desired) there and translating them... Since I seem to have plenty of time until candidate as steward/system administrator, I would at least to do this!


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::::::[[File:Yes check.svg|18px]] [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 01:07, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::[[File:Yes check.svg|18px]] [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 01:07, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


==My rights==
{{Discussion top|{{Done}}, rights revoked}}
Please remove all my rights except patroller. Thank you. [[User:PB2008|PB2008]] ([[User talk:PB2008|talk]]) 08:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{D}} by Justman10000. Thanks for your work here! [[User:Gepard|<span style="color:grey;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Gepard</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Gepard|''talk'']]</sub> 08:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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==Translations into Chinese==
==Translations into Chinese==

Hi. I've been doing some translations lately and was wondering which variant of Chinese to translate to. Currently most pages are translated into regional dialects, such as zh-cn and zh-tw. What I think would be better is to translate only into zh-hans (simplified Chinese) and zh-hant (traditional Chinese) in order to reduce redundancy, as all Chinese dialects use one of the two character systems. Any thoughts? <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi. I've been doing some translations lately and was wondering which variant of Chinese to translate to. Currently most pages are translated into regional dialects, such as zh-cn and zh-tw. What I think would be better is to translate only into zh-hans (simplified Chinese) and zh-hant (traditional Chinese) in order to reduce redundancy, as all Chinese dialects use one of the two character systems. Any thoughts? <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


:Well I think you should translate into the more popular dialect [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 12:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:Well I think you should translate into the more popular dialect [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 12:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:Honestly, I think that we should only do the two main variants of Chinese (Traditional and Simplified). Regional dialects complicate things.. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:Honestly, I think that we should only do the two main variants of Chinese (Traditional and Simplified). Regional dialects complicate things.. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

==Why are my crat permissions not granted?==

{{Discussion top}}
I wanted to know. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 23:10, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

:Hi. You were not granted bureaucrat because there was community consensus against granting you the permission. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::Fine, but I would say I would wait until 90 days, (oh, actually 3 months) passed. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 23:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
:Because the majority of votes were against [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 23:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

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UserRightsManager

Latest comment: 24 June2 comments2 people in discussion

The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in the preferences. LisafBia (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

We encourage bureaucrats, if you have last edited before June 2024, to re-enable its preferences. This user  supports this decision. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Inactivity for AFAs

Latest comment: 11 June5 comments4 people in discussion

Should inactivity for AFAs be measured in regular terms, or should it be measured by the last time an abuse filter was modified by an AFA, or perhaps even the last time a filter was modified to use a restricted action or a restricted filter was modified? I'd like to know consensus on this before I go and modify the inactivity policy. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would choose when the last time some AFA modified a regular abuse filter (without restricted actions). Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 02:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
We don't have a bot for it yet? That checks for inactivity? Justman10000 (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Nope. It's a manual process. Justarandomamerican (talk) 16:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Would be at least 3 months at least I can suggest. Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Suppression Reports

Latest comment: 26 June6 comments4 people in discussion

Not sure if this was ever officially announced, but you can go to Special:Report/REVID to report a revision that needs suppressed. X (talk + contribs) 21:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

When I installed the extension, I announced it on Discord, but never made an announcement here. *facepalm* Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
*sigh* *ahem* I agree on this feature. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 21:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
You’re fine, no problem! X (talk + contribs) 21:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's also included in the newsletter :) The AP (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Cool, right? Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Welcoming users

Latest comment: 2 July1 comment1 person in discussion

We should welcome a newly-registered user when they make their first edit. Not before, but after. Tsukushi (talk) 01:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Interface administrator

Latest comment: 13 July23 comments7 people in discussion

Since there is nothing more for me to do here, I would like to be a interface administrator... I would mainly take care of the gadgets, adding or removing scripts (if desired) there and translating them... Since I seem to have plenty of time until candidate as steward/system administrator, I would at least to do this!

As I said, without this I would have nothing more to do here! And we don't want me to just sit here and wait Justman10000 (talk) 08:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Not a steward but this attitude isn’t encouraging to me. I don’t have confidence that you will be a suitable IA, mainly due to WP:CIR. Do you have any previous work in this area? X (talk + contribs) 02:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
As I said, I would mainly manage the gadgets... Justman10000 (talk) 08:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
IA is a sensitive right, in the hands of people who don't know what they are doing, it can even be dangerous. Can you convince me that you know what you are doing and have experience with the interface? Drummingman (talk) 09:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Well, I've already looked into the configuration syntax of the gadget extension! If necessary, I'll just look in the MediaWiki documentation Justman10000 (talk) 09:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Drummingman There? Justman10000 (talk) 06:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
What coding languages do you know? Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 06:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's still all about the gadgets, so I wouldn't need any coding experience! I would mainly import scripts from other wikis, tidy up the gadgets and translate them Justman10000 (talk) 06:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Interface Administrator requires coding knowledge. So, for me, this is an  Oppose. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 07:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I said I didn't need it! I would only manage gadgets! And if one were finally able to give me a chance, I could prove it too... Justman10000 (talk) 07:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
So how you plan to manage gadgets without coding experience? The AP (talk) 11:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't get what one is getting at? Where do I need coding experience for this:

Selective Rollback[ResourceLoader|rights=rollback]|Selective Rollback.js Justman10000 (talk) 12:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Justman10000 That's just MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition and you said "mainly import scripts from other wikis,", and how do you plan to make scripts compatible to our wiki. The AP (talk) 13:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
No need to! Practically every script that I use here in my common.js is also compatible with this wiki! I just don't import the rest! I would possibly find more! I would test each script first, however Justman10000 (talk) 14:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Now having experience as an Iinterface admin I don’t trust him too much.@Justman1000: Now having experience as an Interface admin I don’t trust you too much. And in addition if you do not know any coding language this will be mission hard.Could you give me a mini JS script to say hello?(you should at least know this to be interface admin)DodoMan (talk) 17:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Apologies, but this  will not be done for the time being, due to Drummimgman's and the various IAs' discomfort. Justarandomamerican (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Do I actually speak Turkish? Or against a wall? Without these permissions I have nothing more to do here! Is that so difficult to understand? I'm getting really fed up! No one is able to give me a chance! Justman10000 (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Besides, you said I should convince YOU? So what does that have to do with the other IAs? Justman10000 (talk) 23:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
As a Steward, I am a community representative. I cannot ignore IA or any community thoughts, especially on a topic posted here. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I see... But as already mentioned, without the said permissions... Justman10000 (talk) 00:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Would it be possible to assign these at least temporarily? Justman10000 (talk) 00:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I will consider a 3 day trial, so long as you agree stick to importing and making gadgets. Justarandomamerican (talk) 00:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Justman10000 (talk) 01:07, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Translations into Chinese

Latest comment: 11 July3 comments3 people in discussion

Hi. I've been doing some translations lately and was wondering which variant of Chinese to translate to. Currently most pages are translated into regional dialects, such as zh-cn and zh-tw. What I think would be better is to translate only into zh-hans (simplified Chinese) and zh-hant (traditional Chinese) in order to reduce redundancy, as all Chinese dialects use one of the two character systems. Any thoughts? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Well I think you should translate into the more popular dialect The AP (talk) 12:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Honestly, I think that we should only do the two main variants of Chinese (Traditional and Simplified). Regional dialects complicate things.. Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
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