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 :{{oppose}} for option one, but {{support|strong}} on options 2 and 3. It's better to be safe than sorry. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 15:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
 :1 ~ 3 ~ 2 : Doing nothing in this case is the best option as it was the first incident and I don't think that there would be more such incidents in future. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 02:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
-:{{Oppose}} option 1; {{support|strong}} Option 2. Self removal of crat should exist, and removal of others crat should only be done by stewards. {{Support}} for option 3, that can also work. ''Prevention is better than cure'', something should be done. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 10:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
+:{{Oppose}} option 1; {{support|strong}} Option 2. Self removal of crat should exist, and removal of others crat should only be done by stewards. {{Support}} for option 3, that can also work. ''Prevention is better than cure'', something should be done. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 10:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
 :{{Oppose|Weak oppose}} option 1, {{Support}} option 2 or 3. It would be useful to have more users capable of taking action quickly if this kind of abuse happens again in the future. --'''[[User:Brewster239|<span style="color:#002F6C;">Brewster</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Brewster239|<span style="color:white;background:#002F6C;">239</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Brewster239#top|<span style="color:#002F6C;">''talk''</span>]]</sup>''' 17:15, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
 :Since Drummingman is going to close this anyways, {{oppose}} option 1, {{support|weak}} option 2, {{support}} option 3. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:22, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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 :<s>{{support}} as requester.</s> [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 14:16, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
 ::{{withdraw}} [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 17:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
-:{{oppose|Strong oppose}} The whole reason I requested this extention in [[phab:T117]] is because this is heavily restricted in Wikimedia wikis, and will be useful for the community as a whole to test. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 15:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
+:{{oppose|Strong oppose}} The whole reason I requested this extention in [[phab:T117]] is because this is heavily restricted in Wikimedia wikis, and will be useful for the community as a whole to test. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 15:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
 :{{oppose|Strong oppose}} This extension should not be used for non testing reasons, like community discussions. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:17, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
 :{{oppose}} --[[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 00:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
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 This would involve adding SecurePoll for everyone.
 :{{support|strongest}} as requester. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 14:16, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
-:<s>{{support|Strong}} See my above comment. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 15:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
+:<s>{{support|Strong}} See my above comment. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 15:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)</s>
 ::I am a little confused. On another proposal you said that you did not want this to be used for community discussions. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
-:::@[[User:X|X]] Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this option to grant the rights to create/edit polls to everyone for testing? <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 03:11, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
+:::@[[User:X|X]] Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this option to grant the rights to create/edit polls to everyone for testing? <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 03:11, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
 ::::This one is for testing AND community discussion. Option four is just testing. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 17:20, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
-:::::If that's the case, I have striked my vote. Other comments by me should clarify my stance. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 17:56, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
+:::::If that's the case, I have striked my vote. Other comments by me should clarify my stance. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 17:56, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
 :{{support}} would be helpful, assuming the PII issue with election admins gets fixed. [[User:Alachuckthebuck|Alachuckthebuck]] ([[User talk:Alachuckthebuck|talk]]) 17:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
 :{{oppose|Strong oppose}} This extension should not be used for non testing reasons, like community discussions. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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 ::{{withdraw}}. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 17:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
 :{{support}}, avoiding redundant votes in other headers to explain my piece here. I do not believe SecurePoll brings anything to TestWiki. It is meant for specific use which I challenge even being overly suitable for Miraheze let alone a far smaller project. There is effectively nothing to be tested, nothing that is practical in the everyday life of MediaWiki that TestWiki is available for. There is less in this respect to test than say, CentralAuth, which itself has a host of (admittedly somewhat different) reasons it would not be suitable. Other extensions or features would make sense to me before this one. So SecurePoll is neither suitable for testing ''or'' non testing purposes. --'''[[User:Raidarr|raidarr]]''' '''('''[[User_talk:Raidarr|💬]]''')''' 23:47, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
-::@[[User:Raidarr|Raidarr]] There is stuff to be tested right? SecurePoll has various poll types and voter suffrage requirements to name a couple. Could you explain how it'll harm by adding this extension? Thanks. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 03:16, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
+::@[[User:Raidarr|Raidarr]] There is stuff to be tested right? SecurePoll has various poll types and voter suffrage requirements to name a couple. Could you explain how it'll harm by adding this extension? Thanks. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 03:16, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
 :::My question with this extension is twofold; what is there worth to test, and what value is it to be tested. In the case of most other extensions there are utilities for everyday sysops where it makes sense to get the ins and outs of the behavior. SecurePoll is an obscure, involved extension best involved when keys are being handled by trusted third parties for poll integrity, and since this relates to PII and tech duty I don't see this being meaningfully tested in any graphical way. The result is a point and click extension with extremely low market use. Hence not much brought to the table for testing purposes to merit the care of addition and whatever quirks, known or unknown its inclusion may bring.
 :::This is a single vote, perhaps two when considering Justa paired with five, so if this logic does not compell the mass it is fine, and I do not feel strongly enough to persist further as nothing is necessarily harmed by adding it. I simply wish for more than the slim explanation and 'meh why not' to merit addition.
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 This would involve installing SecurePoll and using it only for testing, not community discussion.
 :{{support}} [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 14:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
-:{{support}} Community discussion is a '''discussion''' for a reason, SecurePoll is a '''vote'''. With the limited participants (''not in the order of hundreds'') in discussions/sensitive perm requests here setting up a SecurePoll is a waste of time. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 15:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
+:{{support}} Community discussion is a '''discussion''' for a reason, SecurePoll is a '''vote'''. With the limited participants (''not in the order of hundreds'') in discussions/sensitive perm requests here setting up a SecurePoll is a waste of time. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 15:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
 :{{support|strong}} per Bunnypranav. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 19:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
 ::{{withdraw}}, switching to {{support|strongest}}. There’s no point in using SecurePoll for discussions. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 21:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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 ===Discussion===
-{{ping|VancityRothaug}} How are you supporting both option 1, 2 and 3, which from my understanding are completely opposite viewpoints. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 15:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
+{{ping|VancityRothaug}} How are you supporting both option 1, 2 and 3, which from my understanding are completely opposite viewpoints. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 15:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
 :These are only my opinions on this matter. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 17:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
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 :::have you seen [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T301180|this phab task about PII]?[[User:Alachuckthebuck|Alachuckthebuck]] ([[User talk:Alachuckthebuck|talk]]) 18:04, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
 ::::Yes, I have - I’ll be leaving the rights assignments to the System Administrators. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 21:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
-:::@[[User:VancityRothaug|VancityRothaug]] Could you also strike the votes using <nowiki><s> and </s></nowiki> for clear clarity. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 11:38, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
+:::@[[User:VancityRothaug|VancityRothaug]] Could you also strike the votes using <nowiki><s> and </s></nowiki> for clear clarity. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 11:38, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
 ::::{{Done}} [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 13:57, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
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 *:Just for the record I would also be fine with Drummingman's suggestion to let current NSS keep the rights. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 05:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
-:{{support}} <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 13:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
+:{{support}} <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 13:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
 :{{support}} [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:00, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
 :{{support}} -[[User:C1K98V|<b style="color:#FF0000">''C1K98V''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]])</sup> 02:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
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 ===Support===
 #{{Support}} as nominator. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
-#{{support|strong}} Irrespective of the NSS removal proposal, EPIC is a clearly suitable candidate, and will definitely help this wiki. Highly trustworthy. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 08:16, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
+#{{support|strong}} Irrespective of the NSS removal proposal, EPIC is a clearly suitable candidate, and will definitely help this wiki. Highly trustworthy. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Renamed user 24583278|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 08:16, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
 #{{s}} sure, good luck! [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
 #{{s}} Good luck! [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

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