Test Wiki:Community portal/Archive 6: Difference between revisions

==Request for edit==

Please mark on the [[MediaWiki:Gadget-MassRollback.js]] gadget page (using a comment (<code>//</code>) at the top of the script), that I am its author. User Xaloria copied my script from PTW ([https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/Gadget:MassRollback]) without my knowledge. Although it is not protected by copyright, I would like to be listed as the author :). Ping for recently active IA: @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], @[[User:Bhairava7|Kiteretsu]], @[[User:TheAstorPastor|TheAstorPastor]]. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 18:54, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

:Thank you for the notification! This will be done. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:56, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

:{{done}}. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

::Thank you! [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:02, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

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==CentralAuth==

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::Per Justarandomamerican, this is {{Not done}}. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ^{([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])} 02:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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I've suggested it in the past (I think), and I'm gonna suggest it again, but creating a second wiki, maybe testwikibeta or something, and having centralauth would allow for a lot more testing, and I think it would be good, I've looked into it and CA isn't *incredibly* hard to install, so I think it's possible. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

:I mean in all honesty I think it would be cool to eventually add a couple more wikis onto the site for testing and writing some content. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

::ZB, though this would be nice, neither MacFan nor I have the technical expertise to install the extension. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], there's a guide for installing createwiki/managewiki that a mirahezian wrote, which also covers installing CentralAuth [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Waki285/Install_CreateWiki_and_ManageWiki_on_your_wiki here], and I've done it before and am happy to provide assistance should problems occur. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 20:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

::::{{not done|Rejected}} for not being necessary and consuming too much time. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] -- re not being necessary, I think it would be good for adding testing, and re taking too much time, it takes about 30 minutes, the majority of work is in localsettings.php, and wouldn't take longer than an hour or two to complete at most. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 06:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::This would have been helpful if TestWiki was hosting one or more TestWikis, but there is only one.. So, why do we need to add CentralAuth for a single TestWiki, I don't think it can be of any use to TestWiki and we should not try to make TestWiki a Wikipedia.Happy testing!---''<span style="background:#7B68EE;border:1px solid #FF00FF;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FFD700">kítєrєtѕu</span>]]•[[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#00FA9A">[@píng mє]</span>]]</span>'' 16:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::::@[[User:Bhairava7|Kiteretsu]], my point is we could either branch out and provide other wikis, or create a second wiki for testing CentralAuth. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::::I'm opposed to this idea, one test wiki is good enough and as mentioned on discord centrelauth would be restricted which will make it untestable to users. [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 19:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::::::Just stopping by to lay out my thoughts on this:

:::::::::TestWiki should be committed to providing the best place to test the most amount of MediaWiki tools possible. Central Auth is a pretty integral part of many large Wikis and farms. Hence, allowing users to test its functions would be useful.

:::::::::I have heard some good points though: We don’t have a second wiki, it’s unneeded, it’s hard to install, etc.

:::::::::I would personally suggest that, if we were to implement this concept, that we could create a second wiki that is completely locked from editing, with a home page that describes its purpose is to simply be a second wiki for Central Auth testing.

:::::::::I don’t quite understand the logic of it being unnecessary. If we can provide a place to test tools other testwikis don’t have, that’s a huge positive. I do, however, understand the technical issue of actually installing it. Our two current SAs don’t have the time or ability to install it and I doubt they would be willing to allow a non-system admin install it.

:::::::::So in conclusion: If it is technically feasible, I {{s}}. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:43, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::::::Re the second wiki, it could be used as beta for testing extensions before deploying them to prod. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 19:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::Hi. Points taken. However, there isn't anything to test in CA that wouldn't have to be restricted to Stewards beyond simply viewing local accounts. As such, this is {{not done|rejected}}. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] I am sorry, but @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] is the global system administrator for Miraheze and a third-party SA for Wikimedia, so I am confused as to why MacFan4000 isn't capable of doing so. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 09:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::My mistake! MacFan has said in the past on phabricator that he doesn't have the expertise to do so, so I assumed that was also the case today. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 10:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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==Tailsultimatefan3891's sockpuppets==

Considering that Tailsultimatefan3891 has now been unblocked for a while, should I remove all of the sockpuppets from [[:Category:Test Wiki sockpuppets of Tailsultimatefan3891|this category]] and have them unblocked as well? [[User:Renamed user 159304387|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 159304387|talk]]) 06:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

:I don't see why we would unblock sockpuppets, but keeping the main unblocked seems fine. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 12:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

==Require 2FA for highly privileged groups==

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I'm proposing that we should require 2FA for Interface Admin, Steward and Sysadmin group members as security precautions, as IAs can edit pages that would allow them privilege escalation, and stewards/sysadmins can give such permissions out which could cause issues if their accounts were compromised. Additionally, I think bots with admin/iadmin perms should have 2FA required as they are probably less monitored security wise. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

:& it should probably be required for AFAs [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

:{{o}}: We haven’t had any issues with accounts with elevated permissions being compromised. If the community trusts them to hold the permissions, than they can also be trusted to make sure their account is secure. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 11:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

:{{o}}: I don't see a reason to add it since the rate of accounts being compromised has been vary low --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 14:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

:{{oppose}} There hasn't been a case where an account was compromised, so I don't see any reason to make 2FA mandatory [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 16:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

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==Name Change Request==

Hi, can my name please be changed to Skiyomi? (to match my Wikimedia name) Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">My Messages</span>]]) 19:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

:Going to go ahead and mark this as {{not done}}. Renaming would cause additional confusion, especially given the extraordinary circumstances that apply to you. Additionally, you [[Test Wiki:Community portal/Archive 4#Rename Request: Piccadilly to Fullegente|requested a rename in March]] saying "This will be my last rename request here." [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

::I can understand the concern about confusion, and I do accept this decision. But what "extraordinary circumstances" do you mean? [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">My Messages</span>]]) 20:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:::Your history as an LTA and no warning (straight block) upon abuse. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 22:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

==RFC: Remove Inactivity Clause==

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::{{done}} More than three weeks have passed since the discussion began.With three votes in support and only one in opposition, I am closing this discussion and removing the clause from the policy. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 10:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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The current [[Test Wiki: Inactivity policy| Inactivity policy]] states that "These [Steward or system administrator] rights may be restored within 1 hour of them being removed; otherwise, a reconfirmation vote will be held."

If a user holding this level of advanced permissions has been inactive for six months, a one hour request-back, without community input, does not make a lot of sense. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

===Discussion===

*{{s}} as requester. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

*:Just a clarification: I am proposing removing the clause completely; they would have to re-RfS. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

*{{comment}} instead of a one-hour reconfirmation request, does one who lose their advanced permission must run through another community vote? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 15:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

*:I think they should if they want to regain their rights [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

*{{o}} 1 hour is a bit short, but I feel 24 hours is more reasonable. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

*:Not sure you understand the purpose of this request. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

*::I do, I feel that if you've been inactive, within 24 hours it's perfectly reasonable to request them back. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 08:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

*{{Support}}, agree with proposal. [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 16:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

*I guess one hour makes no sense, due to the fact that no one can be 24/7 online. That's why I {{s}} this request. --[[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 17:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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==Rename request==

Please change my username and my bot ([[User:PB08-bot|PB08-bot]]) to Bosco and Bosco-bot respectively, thanks. [[User:Bosco|PB2008]] ([[User talk:Bosco|talk]]) 12:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:This is now {{on hold}} awaiting Steward decision - you should receive a response soon. [[User:VancityRothaug|VancityRothaug]] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]]) 16:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

::{{done}}. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 17:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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==Internal error==

The following error is displayed when visting [[Newsletter:Administrators' newsletter]]

[ba26798e8f169f81e1f6821f] /wiki/Newsletter:Administrators%27_newsletter MWContentSerializationException: The Newsletter content is invalid.

Backtrace:

from /var/www/html/extensions/Newsletter/includes/Content/NewsletterContentHandler.php(72)

#0 /var/www/html/includes/Revision/RevisionStore.php(1227): MediaWiki\Extension\Newsletter\Content\NewsletterContentHandler->unserializeContent()

#1 /var/www/html/includes/Revision/RevisionStore.php(1510): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStore->loadSlotContent()

#2 [internal function]: MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionStore->MediaWiki\Revision\{closure}()

#3 /var/www/html/includes/Revision/SlotRecord.php(324): call_user_func()

#4 /var/www/html/includes/Revision/RevisionRecord.php(183): MediaWiki\Revision\SlotRecord->getContent()

#5 /var/www/html/includes/Revision/RenderedRevision.php(229): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionRecord->getContentOrThrow()

#6 /var/www/html/includes/Revision/RevisionRenderer.php(226): MediaWiki\Revision\RenderedRevision->getSlotParserOutput()

#7 /var/www/html/includes/Revision/RevisionRenderer.php(164): MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionRenderer->combineSlotOutput()

#8 [internal function]: MediaWiki\Revision\RevisionRenderer->MediaWiki\Revision\{closure}()

#9 /var/www/html/includes/Revision/RenderedRevision.php(199): call_user_func()

#10 /var/www/html/includes/poolcounter/PoolWorkArticleView.php(91): MediaWiki\Revision\RenderedRevision->getRevisionParserOutput()

#11 /var/www/html/includes/poolcounter/PoolWorkArticleView.php(73): MediaWiki\PoolCounter\PoolWorkArticleView->renderRevision()

#12 /var/www/html/includes/poolcounter/PoolCounterWork.php(171): MediaWiki\PoolCounter\PoolWorkArticleView->doWork()

#13 /var/www/html/includes/page/ParserOutputAccess.php(328): MediaWiki\PoolCounter\PoolCounterWork->execute()

#14 /var/www/html/includes/page/Article.php(760): MediaWiki\Page\ParserOutputAccess->getParserOutput()

#15 /var/www/html/includes/page/Article.php(563): Article->generateContentOutput()

#16 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ViewAction.php(78): Article->view()

#17 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(733): ViewAction->show()

#18 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(510): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->performAction()

#19 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(145): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->performRequest()

#20 /var/www/html/includes/MediaWikiEntryPoint.php(199): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->execute()

#21 /var/www/html/index.php(58): MediaWiki\MediaWikiEntryPoint->run()

#22 {main}

I believe since PB2008 has been renamed recently and he was a subscriber of the newsletter - his account needs to removed from the list ; kindly look at this similar [[phab:T102|error]] reported at phabricator [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 20:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:pinging @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] and @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] as they are Sys admins [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 20:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

::Fixed [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

==Requesting permissions removal from TenWhile6==

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::I am assuming [[WP:AGF|good faith]] in this case—that [[User:VancityRothaug]] made this request with the right intentions. However, it’s important to understand that we do not remove rights from users simply because we believe they might not use them in the near future. Rights are removed only if users meet the criteria outlined in the [[TW:IP|inactivity policy]]. Since reinstating rights to an account is considered a logged-in action, the user is considered active. I encourage VancityRothaug to carefully review [[User:TheAstorPastor/Admins|the list]] showing users’ most recent logged actions and to apply grace periods only after thoroughly checking the dates of those actions. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 18:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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Dear community, I hope this request finds you all well. On the 9th December I have filed a inactivity grace period against @[[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] for being inactive for a period of 2 months, and set their rights to expire in 2 weeks, when the inactivity would reach 3 months as per the inactivity policy. The user has proceeded to make their rights permanent 3 minutes after the grace period notification was left on their talk page. Upon checking their user contributions I have seen that the user has received a grace period warning on the 23rd September, to which they responded wishing to keep their roles however after checking the users contributions further I have noticed that they have not edited '''at all''' since their reply to their first grace period notice. From my point of view, I believe this user is not showing any intent to use his permissions in the near future therefore I am beginning this community vote to have the users permissions removed. [[User:VancityRothaug|VancityRothaug]] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]]) 17:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:You may read the [[Test Wiki:inactivity policy]] again. ''no edits or logged actions within the last three months'' means that your actions on 9th december ([https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=56269] and [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=56271]) were a clear violation of the policy, because my last logged action was [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=56054 on 6th december]. I know you are pretty new here, sysop since two weeks, but please try to be more careful.

:As an explanation why I am not really active here: I am an active member of the wikimedia community, currently serving as a global sysop and sysop in two wikis. Sometimes I need to test things and thats the exact moment when I need my permissions here, that's why I want to keep them and why I will clearly use these permissions in the future. [[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 17:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

===Discussion===

*{{s}} as requester. [[User:VancityRothaug|VancityRothaug]] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]]) 17:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

*I will not "vote" here, because I am obviously involved. But imo this is not backed up by any policy, as explained above. I am an active member of the [[m:User:TenWhile6|Wikimedia Community]] and there is basically no reason to make this complicated. This is a test wiki and I could literally request the permissions again, if they get removed. This request is one of the funniest and most unnecessary things that happend to me this year. --[[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 17:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

::This is nonsensical and completely against the wiki’s goal and purpose. {{not done}} [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 17:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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==Request for Rename==

Hello, I would like to request that this account be renamed to Alachuckthebuck, my username on wikimedia projects. [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Alachuckthebuck&oldid=971206504| link to userpage]. [[User:0hD33r!|0hD33r!]] ([[User talk:0hD33r!|talk]]) 00:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

:{{done}} by [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] (log id 56662) <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-weight:bold;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px cyan">[[User:Tester|Tester]]</span> ([[User_talk:Tester|ᴛ]]•[[Special:Contributions/Tester|ᴄ]]) 15:01, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

{{section resolved|1=<span style="font-family:Courier New;font-weight:bold;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px cyan">[[User:Tester|Tester]]</span> ([[User_talk:Tester|ᴛ]]•[[Special:Contributions/Tester|ᴄ]]) 11:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)}}

==Delegated rights and the [[TW:IP|inactivity policy]]==

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::{{done|Clause kept}} per unanimous community consensus ''against'' removing it. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 02:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

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Currently, for rights that are very high trust and delegated from Stewards or the community (such as NSS and AFA), those rights can be re-requested at any time. I would propose removing that clause, but I would like to hear the ideas of others: What should happen if a person holding one of those rights loses them due to inactivity and then re-requests them? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

===Discussion===

I {{Support}} the removal of this clause from the inactivity policy. I believe that an inactivity removal should be treated as a normal removal and hence require another community vote to regain their position. [[User:VancityRothaug|VancityRothaug]] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]]) 15:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

:{{withdraw}} vote, switching to {{o}} per @LisaBia @Tester and Bhairava7. [[User:VancityRothaug|VancityRothaug]] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]]) 02:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

{{Oppose}}, if the user already got approval to get those rights in the first place (i.e. they are trusted to handle sensitive role(s)), why over-complicate things just because of inactivity? If someone has a concern, they can just share it when the user re-requests the rights. There may be some exceptions but I'd otherwise support keeping the clause in. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-weight:bold;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px cyan">[[User:Tester|Tester]]</span> ([[User_talk:Tester|ᴛ]]•[[Special:Contributions/Tester|ᴄ]]) 15:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

{{o}} As @[[User:Tester|Tester]] said, it would be better to request permission again without a community vote. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 21:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

{{o}} per @LisafBia and @Tester. --- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 01:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

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==Utility of [[Test Wiki:Bots/Requests for approval]]==

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::There is no consensus to delete the utility page at this time. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 16:57, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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Howdy! I thought the bots request page should be discussed by the community, as it doesn’t seem very necessary in my option. We have an extremely low number of [[special:listusers/bot|bots]], in fact there are only three that are not system bots/system admin operated. The amount of bots that need crat rights is incredibly low. I propose that users looking to create a bot that needs crat permissions simply posts on a stewards talk page. To be honest, I don’t see this type of request happening in the near future. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 02:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

:I {{support}} the removal of this page per X - it is currently very rare for a steward to receive a request to give a bot crat permissions and if this were ever to happen they could just leave their request on the talk page of a Steward. [[User:VancityRothaug|VancityRothaug]] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]]) 07:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

::{{withdraw}} to change to {{oppose}} per @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 20:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{oppose}}. I don't see anything wrong with having a dedicated page&mdash;a bot being given Bureaucrat permissions is pretty notable in my opinion and so there should be a publicly-viewable and '''easy-to-access''' place. Even though the approval may not require community consensus, anyone can just go to the page to know more about the bot and any relevant discussions, rather than scouting recent changes or looking at stewards' talk pages. Additionally, the administrator newsletter doesn't appear to go into much depth on the tasks of the bot so I think this page should be kept. Thanks. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-weight:bold;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px cyan">[[User:Tester|Tester]]</span> ([[User_talk:Tester|ᴛ]]•[[Special:Contributions/Tester|ᴄ]]) 04:04, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

::I would completely agree with you, if this was something that happened often. However, I cannot find anywhere that it has occurred besides '''once''' in TestWikis entire history. One time. That is completely not worth having a request page about. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 15:41, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

:::While I appreciate the intention to limit extra pages which have no substantial use, I still think keeping a dedicated page would be better. Plus, it is scalable. Thanks! <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-weight:bold;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px cyan">[[User:Tester|Tester]]</span> ([[User_talk:Tester|ᴛ]]•[[Special:Contributions/Tester|ᴄ]]) 04:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} Reasons are already given.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 12:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{o}} per [[User:Tester|Tester]] and it's reason is clear indicate why the page should not be delete.Happy Testing! --- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 16:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

::Neither you or Tester has addressed the sole concern of the discussion, the fact that this request has only occurred once. Additionally, as the creator of the page, you have a [[WP:WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 17:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

:::{{Ping|X}} I have not problem to the deletion of bot approval page but I've created this page after private discussion with an Stewards, If stewards saying to me, I'll be going to delete this page because I have no problem.Happy testing! --- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 17:31, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} removal, due to little utility. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

::{{withdraw}} to change to {{oppose}}. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{oppose}} having this page makes everything easier to find and organize. Personally, I see no reason to remove it. [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 00:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}}, as requester. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:31, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{oppose}}, I see the usefulness of this page. I was also the steward who recommended this page so that there is a public place for this type of request. As rare as it is, I think it is a good idea to have such a page. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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==DodoBot==

Hello, im re-active now.I have a little question, my bot now work, but just for fix typos for the moment, what features do you want for my bot.I prefer basic actions but if i have to code a script, i code it.Thanks.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 17:33, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

==Confirming resignation as system administrator==

Hello. It's been quite a while since I've taken any technical action. I have become rusty in the meantime, so have resigned as a system administrator. I may return, but only after a community confirmation vote. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you for your service! [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

::Thank for your service as System admin. Happy testing!--- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 03:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:Procedural note: User has returned to their system admin position. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 17:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

==Piccadilly Appeal Terms==

{{Discussion top|Both proposals successful. Piccadilly may not be unblocked unless a year has passed and the community (in addition to Stewards) accept an appeal. I will add to this in my sole discretion: Piccadilly may not be unblocked unless concrete evidence of actual change has been submitted, either in the form of proof of attendance in a therapy program, or if there has been at least 1 year of good behavior in another community. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)}}

The following is a community request for comment about Piccadilly’s appeal timeframe and form as the user has been blocked again. Please express your opinion on each proposal. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

===Extend appeal timeframe===

Piccadilly is currently prohibited from appealing their ban for a period of 6 months, per Drummingman’s initial unblock conditions. I propose extending this time to one year as the user has made it clear to us over and over that they will not change. They keep coming back every 3-6 months with no behavioral difference. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}}: As proposer. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}}: --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 04:35, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:29, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}} --[[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 08:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

===Community appeal only===

Additionally, I propose requiring that, for Piccadilly to be unblocked, there is a community appeal discussion. Piccadilly has abused the community enough to where they deserve a direct say in any appeal. The process would look like this: Piccadilly waits the selected timeframe. Piccadilly appeals to the steward email address. Stewards discuss appeal internally, and if approved, forward it to the community for a discussion on the community portal. I and others are frustrated with how this continues to be handled and the leniency to which we give LTAs. This proposal would give some say back to the community. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}}, as proposer. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:46, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}}: --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 04:35, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{Support|Strong Support}} -Piccadilly always Violate Test Wiki policy and every time blocked by Stewards and Bureaucrats for violation of Test Wiki's policy and also for it's work. I'll be suggesting please avoid unblocked for Piccadilly because I have special concerns to them after unblocking they 'll be trying to violated again Test Wiki's policy and {{Ping|Drummingman}} is great guy and they think and decided to grant a chance again to Piccadilly for it's unblocking. Happy testing!--- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>''

*{{support}} - I have reviewed their activity on Test Wiki in detail and I see no attempts to change behavior, leading me to the conclusion that this proposal would fit the community better. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 11:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}} Unfortunately Piccadilly hasn't changed her behaviour. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}} --[[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 08:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

*I weakly {{support}} with special recommendations to Stewards, as someone who has dealt with this user for some time. This issue resembles exactly what happened with Apex (previous name) on Miraheze, viewable at Miraheze: Global ban for ApexAgunomu in the RfC section. This RfC was after Apex was poorly managed at Steward level and given many many many chances only to squash them all. So it became necessary for the community to opine where it realistically shouldn't have to, in ideal circumstances stewards will have reasonable expectations and only unblock when evidence suggests the pattern will not repeat. If stewards are to humor/pass through an appeal, they should do so with one of two expectations (neither involving how much time has passed or how much Apex promises to do better). They should see a pattern at some other community of Apex contributing without outbursts or being blocked long term. Or there should be reasonable evidence that Apex has sought professional help and growth for these outbursts that have plagued her across several platforms. Nothing less in this circumstance would make sense. If an appeal is forwarded to the community without assurances of either, the community should take up the task of looking for this evidence. --'''[[User:Raidarr|raidarr]]''' '''('''[[User_talk:Raidarr|💬]]''')''' 18:19, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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==Restrict abusefilter-access-protected-vars and abusefilter-protected-vars-log to AFAs and stewards?==

{{discussion top|Doing, as there have been no objections within 4 days. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:24, 18 January 2025 (UTC)}}

Because <code>abusefilter-access-protected-vars</code> have the potential for regular administrators (who might not be familiar with abuse filters) to mark a filter as permanently protected without the ability to reverse it, I suggest we should restrict it to only abuse filter administrators and stewards who have the trust of the community to work with filters that might cause huge disruption if configured incorrectly, the same way as <code>abusefilter-modify-restricted</code>. Similarly, the log for abuse filter regarding protected variables might also have to be restricted to those two groups, since they might deal with personal information. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 18:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

===Discussion===

*{{support}} as the proposer. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 18:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}} due to this user right having the power to make sensitive and irreversible changes to abuse filters. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 19:03, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}} --[[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 08:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

*{{Support|Strong support}} per Tenwhile --- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 09:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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==‪DisambiguousMonths==

Can a steward remove he all his rights because he unblocked self, and re-give to bureaucrats there rights.And re-block it.Sorry for my bad english but i repeat i'm french.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 08:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}} by DrummingMan. [[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 08:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:all actions reversed. --[[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 08:45, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

::Because of this, we should restrict giving bureaucrat rights to only stewards. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 08:47, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:::I don't think thats the right answer to this abuse. [[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 08:49, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

::::Perhaps not that, but we should maybe restrict removing bureaucrat rights to stewards, and remove the unblockself right from Bureaucrats? It would certainly prevent the abuse, but then Stewards would have to manage the inactivity policy with Bureaucrats. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 08:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::I agree with those options. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 09:00, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::::I agree with Justa's comment. --- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 09:01, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::To be honest, we have never really had an issue with crat abuse before, I feel like making multiple rights changes is a little brash. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 11:14, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

::::::I disagree. It's not rash to implement preventative measures after a problem occurs. I'm not sure what the alternative is. Wait until the problem occurs more?[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Justa's idea (''restrict removing bureaucrat rights to stewards'') is something we can discuss. I'd suggest to create a new section and do a community vote on this. [[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 14:45, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::If stewards are up to taking on the role of managing bureaucrats' inactivity, I have no problem with supporting!

:::::I suppose removing unblockself could cause inconveniences, as that could prevent one from undoing a test block on oneself. Also, if someone else with rights goes rogue and blocks a bureaucrat, they would then have to wait for someone else to undo their block. Why not just remove privileges when blocking someone? <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-weight:bold;text-shadow:1px 1px 1px cyan">[[User:Tester|Tester]]</span> ([[User_talk:Tester|ᴛ]]•[[Special:Contributions/Tester|ᴄ]]) 14:46, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:::{{Ping|TenWhile6}} Hi there, What is the exact answer of this abuse.😅--- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 08:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

It is not necessarily a good idea to restrict bureaucrat assignment and removal because of two main factors. One is that it's plainly quite rare an instance, although Justa is correct that if there is an issue then it should be patched and we shouldn't hope that people won't do it again. That is burying one's head in the sand. The other factor is that restricting bureaucrat grant/removal without altering standards is that a future abuser can simply do it again and change their tactics. They can make a different stream of hard to reverse actions and not be easily handled by a fellow bureaucrat. A Steward's intervention will be required in one example, in the other it might but won't necessarily be required. Removing permissions is relatively simple to undo and this incident was dealt with quite expediently. The train of abuse goes deep in a rabbit hole: to pick apart another suggestion, not permitting unblockself means a rogue bureaucrat can simply block everyone else first and then that's another problem that's harder to resolve. On top of the inconvenience already suggested.

Instead, it seems to me a reasonable answer is to increase the surface of people who can deal with the problem. Perhaps there should be an autopatrolled type access for more senior testers/bureaucrats, whom's access cannot be removed by 'mere' bureaucrats. This lets more established bureaucrats or even trusted but not very active community members deal with rogues and make it harder to sneak in and gain destructive, harder to reverse access with the minimum standard of autoconfirmed that bureaucrats currently have. This would be their only access and it could be assigned at the trust of stewards so there are more people who could respond to an incident like this, but wouldn't complicate everyday operation by requiring a steward step in for every instance of bureaucrat addition and removal and going rogue. This answer might have problems but I think it's a more elegant place to start.

My 2c,

--'''[[User:Raidarr|raidarr]]''' '''('''[[User_talk:Raidarr|💬]]''')''' 17:23, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

==Restrict removing bureaucrat rights to Stewards==

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::The proposal is Withdrawn by the requester. --- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 16:11, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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<s> Due to recent abuse, I propose restricting removing bureaucrat rights to Stewards, with Bureaucrats still able to resign through removing the right from themselves. This ensures that Bureaucrats cannot be removed by rogue Bureaucrats. If this proposal passes, please notify a Steward for any bureaucrat inactivity. </s>[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 15:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

::{{withdraw}} per recent discussion on discord. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 16:00, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:Raidarr has pointed out disadvantages with this proposal on Discord, mainly that Bureaucrats cannot remove rogue Bureaucrats if this goes into effect. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:Proposal withdrawn. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:01, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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==Crat Abuse RFC==

{{Discussion top|There is no clear consensus, therefore no action will be taken at this time. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ^{([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])} 20:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)}}

What should we do about the recent abuse of crat rights? '''Option 1''': Do nothing.

'''Option 2''': Add the ability to remove crat rights to non-steward suppressors.

'''Option 3''': Create a Trusted user group, as described [[User:Justarandomamerican/Trusted users|here]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:56, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} Doing nothing, {{oppose|Weak oppose}} option 2, {{oppose|Strong oppose}} Option 3. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:05, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

::But what if the vandal goes at the peak of their rogue and no one takes action? Number 1 is a possible issue. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 18:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{Support|Strong}} option 2 --- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 18:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{Support|strongest}} Option 1, {{Oppose}} 2 and 3. Given that this is the first such incident, I don't think we need to do anything right now. If this starts happening more often in the future, then maybe. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ^{([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])} 20:25, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support|strong}} per MacFan4000. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 22:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

::Hey @[[User:VancityRothaug|VancityRothaug]], can you make it clear which option you support? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 18:27, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:::I am supporting exactly what MacFan4000 says. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 19:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{oppose}} for option one, but {{support|strong}} on options 2 and 3. It's better to be safe than sorry. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 15:20, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:1 ~ 3 ~ 2 : Doing nothing in this case is the best option as it was the first incident and I don't think that there would be more such incidents in future. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 02:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{Oppose}} option 1; {{support|strong}} Option 2. Self removal of crat should exist, and removal of others crat should only be done by stewards. {{Support}} for option 3, that can also work. ''Prevention is better than cure'', something should be done. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 10:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{Oppose|Weak oppose}} option 1, {{Support}} option 2 or 3. It would be useful to have more users capable of taking action quickly if this kind of abuse happens again in the future. --'''[[User:Brewster239|<span style="color:#002F6C;">Brewster</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Brewster239|<span style="color:white;background:#002F6C;">239</span>]]^{[[User talk:Brewster239#top|<span style="color:#002F6C;">''talk''</span>]]}''' 17:15, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:Since Drummingman is going to close this anyways, {{oppose}} option 1, {{support|weak}} option 2, {{support}} option 3. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:22, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} option 1, {{oppose}} option 2, {{support|weak}} option 3. --[[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 23:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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==SecurePoll on Test Wiki==

{{Discussion top|Consensus seems to be for option #4 (install only for testing, will not be used for community discussions/votes. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ^{([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])} 20:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)}}

There has recently been a discussion on Phorge regarding the addition of the SecurePoll Extension to Test Wiki. @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] said that community consensus is required to add the extension so I would like to ask the community on how they would like to see the extension accommodated in 2 easy options to select:

'''Option 1''' - SecurePoll is a Steward-only tool used for hosting community discussions. '''Option 2''' - SecurePoll is a tool usable by everyone, for both community discussions and for testing purposes. '''Option 3 ''' Dont add SecurePoll to Test Wiki. With kind regards, [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 14:13, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

===Option 1===

This would involve adding SecurePoll as a steward-only extension.

:<s>{{support}} as requester.</s> [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 14:16, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

::{{withdraw}} [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 17:57, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{oppose|Strong oppose}} The whole reason I requested this extention in [[phab:T117]] is because this is heavily restricted in Wikimedia wikis, and will be useful for the community as a whole to test. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 15:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{oppose|Strong oppose}} This extension should not be used for non testing reasons, like community discussions. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:17, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{oppose}} --[[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 00:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

===Option 2===

This would involve adding SecurePoll for everyone.

:{{support|strongest}} as requester. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 14:16, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:<s>{{support|Strong}} See my above comment. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 15:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)</s>

::I am a little confused. On another proposal you said that you did not want this to be used for community discussions. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:::@[[User:X|X]] Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this option to grant the rights to create/edit polls to everyone for testing? <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 03:11, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

::::This one is for testing AND community discussion. Option four is just testing. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 17:20, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::If that's the case, I have striked my vote. Other comments by me should clarify my stance. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 17:56, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} would be helpful, assuming the PII issue with election admins gets fixed. [[User:Alachuckthebuck|Alachuckthebuck]] ([[User talk:Alachuckthebuck|talk]]) 17:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{oppose|Strong oppose}} This extension should not be used for non testing reasons, like community discussions. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

::The “for everyone” part implies that everyone would be granted access to this extension though. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 18:59, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Your original statement was “ SecurePoll is a tool usable by everyone, for both community discussions and for testing purposes” As long as the extension is being used for non-testing purposes, I oppose. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 20:13, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

::::You’re most certainly right hence why I have switched my support to the 4th option which excludes all usage from non-testing purposes. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 21:40, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

===Option 3===

This involves voting against the addition of SecurePoll.

:<s>{{support}} as requester.</s> [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 14:16, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

::{{withdraw}}. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 17:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}}, avoiding redundant votes in other headers to explain my piece here. I do not believe SecurePoll brings anything to TestWiki. It is meant for specific use which I challenge even being overly suitable for Miraheze let alone a far smaller project. There is effectively nothing to be tested, nothing that is practical in the everyday life of MediaWiki that TestWiki is available for. There is less in this respect to test than say, CentralAuth, which itself has a host of (admittedly somewhat different) reasons it would not be suitable. Other extensions or features would make sense to me before this one. So SecurePoll is neither suitable for testing ''or'' non testing purposes. --'''[[User:Raidarr|raidarr]]''' '''('''[[User_talk:Raidarr|💬]]''')''' 23:47, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

::@[[User:Raidarr|Raidarr]] There is stuff to be tested right? SecurePoll has various poll types and voter suffrage requirements to name a couple. Could you explain how it'll harm by adding this extension? Thanks. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 03:16, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:::My question with this extension is twofold; what is there worth to test, and what value is it to be tested. In the case of most other extensions there are utilities for everyday sysops where it makes sense to get the ins and outs of the behavior. SecurePoll is an obscure, involved extension best involved when keys are being handled by trusted third parties for poll integrity, and since this relates to PII and tech duty I don't see this being meaningfully tested in any graphical way. The result is a point and click extension with extremely low market use. Hence not much brought to the table for testing purposes to merit the care of addition and whatever quirks, known or unknown its inclusion may bring.

:::This is a single vote, perhaps two when considering Justa paired with five, so if this logic does not compell the mass it is fine, and I do not feel strongly enough to persist further as nothing is necessarily harmed by adding it. I simply wish for more than the slim explanation and 'meh why not' to merit addition.

:::As a completely off topic point I recommend withdrawn/modified votes be struck by the original voter when this is done, as the reply with 'withdraw' or reply that starts with a withdraw and makes a barely noticeable change to the vote strength can be mildly confusing. --'''[[User:Raidarr|raidarr]]''' '''('''[[User_talk:Raidarr|💬]]''')''' 09:40, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:I was planning to close this, but I am going to support this option now, per the articulate reasoning of Raidarr. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:09, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

===Option 4===

This would involve installing SecurePoll and using it only for testing, not community discussion.

:{{support}} [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 14:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} Community discussion is a '''discussion''' for a reason, SecurePoll is a '''vote'''. With the limited participants (''not in the order of hundreds'') in discussions/sensitive perm requests here setting up a SecurePoll is a waste of time. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 15:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support|strong}} per Bunnypranav. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 19:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

::{{withdraw}}, switching to {{support|strongest}}. There’s no point in using SecurePoll for discussions. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 21:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{Support|strongest}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ^{([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])} 21:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support|strongest}} [[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 07:53, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} --[[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] 00:00, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

===Discussion===

{{ping|VancityRothaug}} How are you supporting both option 1, 2 and 3, which from my understanding are completely opposite viewpoints. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 15:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:These are only my opinions on this matter. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 17:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

::now that you mention this my votes don’t make sense. I have now corrected my votes. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 17:58, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:::have you seen [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T301180|this phab task about PII]?[[User:Alachuckthebuck|Alachuckthebuck]] ([[User talk:Alachuckthebuck|talk]]) 18:04, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

::::Yes, I have - I’ll be leaving the rights assignments to the System Administrators. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 21:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:::@[[User:VancityRothaug|VancityRothaug]] Could you also strike the votes using <nowiki><s> and </s></nowiki> for clear clarity. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 11:38, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

::::{{Done}} [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 13:57, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

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==NSS Removal Discussion: Bhairava7==

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:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''

::The NSS permission was removed from Bhairava7 (by Drummingman) per the former user's own request. <small>(non-steward closure)</small> <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 15:43, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

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Hello everyone. After a conversation with the steward team, I am opening a discussion about the removal of non-steward suppressor rights from {{noping|Bhairava7}} with the rationale that the user doesn't fully understand the purpose of suppression and what should be suppressed vs. public. Additionally, they have leaked their own information (not realizing that it is PII) and created more work for the rest of the suppression team. I would also note that warnings were issued privately to the user. I'll lay out a brief summary of some things that have happened, but it is difficult as the matter contains non-public log information.

First, Bhairava7 leaked their location information on an alt with [[special:diff/55733|this edit]], which is now hidden from public view. For additional context, the user seemingly randomly said and described the area and city/country in which they live. This is an extremely poor example for a NSS to set, and Drummingman had to suppress the edit.

Second, he [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=59012 blocked his own IP address], which again leaked his personal information, including his location. (You can very easily geolocate IP addresses) When confronted about this, he seemed unaware of the consequences of such action. I had to suppress this one.

Thirdly, Bhairava has suppressed edits that don't require suppression, which is generally a simple mistake that we discuss as a team (I myself am guilty of this). However, combined with our other concerns of incompetence regarding suppression, this is concerning.

In conclusion, I am requesting that the non-steward suppression rights of Bhairava7 are removed for the above reasons. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

===Vote explanation===

{{s}} - You support removing NSS permissions

{{o}} - You oppose removing NSS permissions

===Discussion===

:{{support}}, as proposer. -[[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:02, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} per X. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 21:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{oppose|Strong oppose}}; I have never abused the non-steward suppressor, and I am the person who blocked [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=58747 DisambiguousMonths] first when they were trying to abuse their users permissions, and in order to block them, I added suppressor rights to your user accounts because they removed my admin and manager rights along with other members. I admit I made a mistake, which I shouldn't have done as a suppressor, because I didn't know about it, but it doesn't mean that my rights should be removed, but I tried to correct my mistake. I think X has some concerns regarding me. I was appointed as NSS after [https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/Test_Wiki:Request_for_permissions/Archive_14#Kiteretsu_2 full community consensus], and if I felt I wasn't worthy of this right, I would have left it myself, and humans make mistakes. I should be given one last chance... Also, it is up to the will of the stewards and test wiki community... but one more thing: please remove my other rights also and block me from here. Happy testing! --- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 03:07, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

::Your actions in the situation with DisambiguousMonths didn’t reflect your use of the suppression tools. I have no doubt in your ability to perform regular actions, like blocking and rights changes. You were elected by community consensus, but based on your actions in the role, it is up to the community again to decide your suitability for the position. All of us make mistakes, but your show a lack of understanding of suppression, and an inability to recognize that lack of understanding.

::Also, your last sentence is confusing, you want someone to remove all your rights, except NSS, and block you? [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 03:31, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:::What I mean to say is that I was not a suppressor on any other wiki before TestWiki. I meant that all my rights should be removed if I do not get a final opportunity to prove myself as a trustworthy member. One does not gain experience only by staying in his mother's womb, one gains experience by coming into this world.. I feel a little unhappy but I can prove that I've not use this right to prove anything wrong or to prove my own actions. And as far as the block is concerned, you have already raised a finger on my character and actions, so I will block myself of my own will forever.Happy testing!--- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 04:03, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

::::I am not asking or saying that you should leave or be blocked from the site. Nor did I ever question your character. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 11:31, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{Oppose}}. I had said yesterday, in a private channel on Discord, that I think he should be given a last chance. And said that we should not go to the community portal, but apparently, that is not understood.That has now happened and I deeply regret that. So, I am against revoked his right in that way. He himself with his NSS right hindered that rights vandal until I could stop him. Let me say, that I also see that Bhairava makes mistakes, but I would like to help him learn. I therefore, ask the community to give him chance to learn. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:30, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

::How many warnings/final warnings/last warnings are we going to give people? This is a fundamental issue with the leadership of this wiki, that spans back to the Piccidally issue.

::Additionally, I had the approval of another steward when making the request, which you were also aware of, but failed to mention.

::'''Suppression tools are not learning opportunities''', they are sensitive and deal with user data and information. I am in no way saying you can’t make mistakes, I’ve openly admitted in my initial statement that I have made some. But he doesn’t fundamentally understand the permission and that is something that should not have to be taught/learned.

::Additionally, threatening to leave the wiki if a single permission of yours is removed shows me [[wp:wp:Hat collecting|wp:Hat collecting]] is involved as well. I’ve seen them do it on other wikis too. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 11:44, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:::So you think that I am collecting [[Wikipedia:Hat collecting|hats]], this is wrong. I am very troubled in my real life, so I can leave the wiki, but I did not say that I will leave the wiki. You may feel bad about what I said, but the truth is that you do not like my contribution and the fact that I have the rights to NSS. I know that the Supressor tool is a very sensitive tool. I know how to use it very well. I made a mistake unknowingly, for which I apologize.Happy testing!--- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 13:04, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, I must {{support|weakly}} this request. There are threefold issues with Bhairava7's use of the suppression tools, as described above. I ''am'' inclined to give him another chance, but thinking on it, I believe the best thing for the wiki is to remove his suppression rights. This is not because of his moral character, merely because he is unsuitable for the right at this time. Thanks, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:20, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

::Comment, I have just [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=59289 revoked] his NSS right at Bahavia's request. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:18, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Dear, @[[User:X|X]] I think this discussion can be closed? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:30, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

::::How about that I can close this discussion since I wasn't involved? <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 15:31, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::That, is fine by me. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:32, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

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==[[MediaWiki:Gadget-markadmins.js]]==

Please update markadmins.js as shown [[User:Bosco/markadmins.js|here]], thanks. [[User:Bosco|Bosco]] ([[User talk:Bosco|talk]]) 07:50, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. --- ''<span style="background:#000000;border:1px solid #FF0080;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#F70D1A">Bhairava7</span>]] • [[User talk:Bhairava7|<span style="color:#FF6700">(@píng mє-tαlk mє)</span>]]</span>'' 08:09, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

==Test page policy==

{{Discussion top|This policy was proposed in February, and there has been no activity for over a month. The policy is unnecessary, as the proposer themselves noted {{tq|that [the] test pages rarely come up}}. This proposal may be reconsidered for a vote in the future if its necessity is justified, but for now, it fails. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 18:35, 16 March 2025 (UTC)}}

I propose this to you all, the <s>[[</s>User:Renamed user 58678/Sandbox|test page policy<s>]]</s>. I know it's not a lot, but I believe that users should at least do it in an organized manner when it comes to testing. This policy is saying everything I should be telling you all here, but I'm giving it a chance to be read by you all to see if it is worthy of being a policy. [[User:Renamed user 58678|Faithful]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 58678|talk]]) 23:55, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

*{{oppose|Weak oppose}}, seems very unnecessary. We almost never have new test pages added, and if someone disagreed with one being added, they could simply just propose it be removed on the CP. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 23:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

**I see your point on the process of adding new test pages. This makes the process pointless from your POV because there could be someone who opposes it and has that page removed via the community portal. However, now I'm starting to believe that mainspace page creation should be restricted to a specific group level, so that users will not fill it with spam or vandalism, except on the abuse filter test. But primarily, because of the test pages. For now, since your point makes sense for the activity period of Test Wiki right now, which is that test pages rarely come up, I'll put it to the side. However, I do believe that users should properly do their test experiments on the right testing page. Hence, if you want to test deletion, go to [[Deletion test]]; if you want to test protection, go to [[Protection test]], and so forth. That should be a policy. [[User:Renamed user 58678|Faithful]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 58678|talk]]) 01:10, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{oppose}} per X. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 14:35, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

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==Proposal: Abolish the non-steward suppressor right==

{{Discussion top|There is unanimous and clear consensus to abolish the non-steward suppressor (NSS) role going forward. While the original proposal called for immediate removal, Drummingman's suggestion—to allow the current NSS, namely [[User:X|X]], to retain their rights—received clear support. As such, X will retain their rights until they either resign or are appointed as a steward. No new NSS appointments will be made. This proposal is therefore closed as successful, with Drummingman's amendment adopted. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)}}

This was already partly discussed in the Test Wiki Discord server, and I'm ultimately bringing it up here as a proposal for the community to comment on.

Simply, I'd like to propose abolishing [[Test Wiki:Suppressors|non-steward suppressors]] on this wiki. We currently have two such users, me being one of them, but ultimately at this time, there is really not much need. There are mainly two factors to this, which I will be listing here.

#The amount of suppressions, and especially suppression requests, are already low to this date. Except for two suppressions this month (one performed by me and the other by a steward), the last 50 suppressions date back to July last year, most of which were either reverted, performed as tests or performed for old edits/log entries.

#The community is too small, and not large enough to justify having independent suppressors or checkusers. On a wiki as small as this one, it is likely best to center the suppression task to the stewards, both since they already are experienced with CU/OS and personal information, and considering that they have already been the ones mainly handling suppressions on this wiki either way. This would also be a benefit for the security aspects as well, even if compromises are indeed rare here.

Potentially, the community could consider to instead elect new stewards with the inactivity of Dmehus and decreased activity of Justa and MacFan, but in the current state, there isn't really a need nor a community large enough to justify having NSS at this time, and I therefore propose to instead center this task to the stewards. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 13:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}} - as proposer. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 13:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

*:Just for the record I would also be fine with Drummingman's suggestion to let current NSS keep the rights. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 05:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 13:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:00, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} -[[User:C1K98V|<b style="color:#FF0000">''C1K98V''</b>]] ^{([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]])} 02:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} - However, my opinion is that the current two NSSs may retain their rights until they become stewards or resign, and that no new NSSs will be appointed. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} Per Drummingman [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} Drummingman’s alteration to the proposal. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:08, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

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==Nomination of [[User:EPIC]] for Stewardship==

{{Discussion top|'''There is a clear, unanimous consensus to promote EPIC to steward. On behalf of the steward-team, congratulations.''' [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)}}

As with the NSS removal, this was already partly discussed in the Test Wiki Discord server and I would like to officially create this nomination here on the community portal. I am hereby nominating [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] for a stewardship here on Test Wiki. I believe that they have shown extreme dedication to all the hats they hold both on Test Wiki and other, notable wikis and that they would be a perfect fit to help oversee the administration of Test Wiki, alongside with the other 3 stewards. As many of you may know, EPIC is also a steward on Wikimedia which I find to be a great achievement, further improving his experience. Please let me know if you have any other questions in the discussion below. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:I stated it in the Discord server as well so I will partly repeat that here; I'm willing to serve if the community and current stewards are in favor of it, since I could bring some further useful experience and extra help especially now that Dmehus is not currently active and two of the other stewards have decreased activity. One of the stewards have expressed their endorsement beforehand, so I'm ultimately accepting. I shouldn't have a big issue with keeping up my activity either, though I'll otherwise resign if I end up not meeting my expected activity levels.

:Noting for transparency that I'm currently a steward for the Wikimedia projects as well as a sysop on the Swedish Wikipedia and Meta (and a CheckUser on the latter). [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

===Support===

#{{Support}} as nominator. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

#{{support|strong}} Irrespective of the NSS removal proposal, EPIC is a clearly suitable candidate, and will definitely help this wiki. Highly trustworthy. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 08:16, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} sure, good luck! [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} Good luck! [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} Keep up the good work. -[[User:C1K98V|<b style="color:#FF0000">''C1K98V''</b>]] ^{([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]])} 02:35, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} [[User:Bosco|Bosco]] ([[User talk:Bosco|talk]]) 08:51, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support}} [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support|strong}} Very trusted user and Steward on 2 wikifarms [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

===Abstain===

===Oppose===

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