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==Proposal: Abolish the non-steward suppressor right==

{{Discussion top|There is unanimous and clear consensus to abolish the non-steward suppressor (NSS) role going forward. While the original proposal called for immediate removal, Drummingman's suggestion—to allow the current NSS, namely [[User:X|X]], to retain their rights—received clear support. As such, X will retain their rights until they either resign or are appointed as a steward. No new NSS appointments will be made. This proposal is therefore closed as successful, with Drummingman's amendment adopted. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)}}

This was already partly discussed in the Test Wiki Discord server, and I'm ultimately bringing it up here as a proposal for the community to comment on.

Simply, I'd like to propose abolishing [[Test Wiki:Suppressors|non-steward suppressors]] on this wiki. We currently have two such users, me being one of them, but ultimately at this time, there is really not much need. There are mainly two factors to this, which I will be listing here.

#The amount of suppressions, and especially suppression requests, are already low to this date. Except for two suppressions this month (one performed by me and the other by a steward), the last 50 suppressions date back to July last year, most of which were either reverted, performed as tests or performed for old edits/log entries.

#The community is too small, and not large enough to justify having independent suppressors or checkusers. On a wiki as small as this one, it is likely best to center the suppression task to the stewards, both since they already are experienced with CU/OS and personal information, and considering that they have already been the ones mainly handling suppressions on this wiki either way. This would also be a benefit for the security aspects as well, even if compromises are indeed rare here.

Potentially, the community could consider to instead elect new stewards with the inactivity of Dmehus and decreased activity of Justa and MacFan, but in the current state, there isn't really a need nor a community large enough to justify having NSS at this time, and I therefore propose to instead center this task to the stewards. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 13:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}} - as proposer. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 13:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

*:Just for the record I would also be fine with Drummingman's suggestion to let current NSS keep the rights. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 05:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 13:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:00, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} -[[User:C1K98V|<b style="color:#FF0000">''C1K98V''</b>]] ^{([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]])} 02:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} - However, my opinion is that the current two NSSs may retain their rights until they become stewards or resign, and that no new NSSs will be appointed. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} Per Drummingman [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} Drummingman’s alteration to the proposal. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:08, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

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==Nomination of [[User:EPIC]] for Stewardship==

{{Discussion top|'''There is a clear, unanimous consensus to promote EPIC to steward. On behalf of the steward-team, congratulations.''' [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)}}

As with the NSS removal, this was already partly discussed in the Test Wiki Discord server and I would like to officially create this nomination here on the community portal. I am hereby nominating [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] for a stewardship here on Test Wiki. I believe that they have shown extreme dedication to all the hats they hold both on Test Wiki and other, notable wikis and that they would be a perfect fit to help oversee the administration of Test Wiki, alongside with the other 3 stewards. As many of you may know, EPIC is also a steward on Wikimedia which I find to be a great achievement, further improving his experience. Please let me know if you have any other questions in the discussion below. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:I stated it in the Discord server as well so I will partly repeat that here; I'm willing to serve if the community and current stewards are in favor of it, since I could bring some further useful experience and extra help especially now that Dmehus is not currently active and two of the other stewards have decreased activity. One of the stewards have expressed their endorsement beforehand, so I'm ultimately accepting. I shouldn't have a big issue with keeping up my activity either, though I'll otherwise resign if I end up not meeting my expected activity levels.

:Noting for transparency that I'm currently a steward for the Wikimedia projects as well as a sysop on the Swedish Wikipedia and Meta (and a CheckUser on the latter). [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

===Support===

#{{Support}} as nominator. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

#{{support|strong}} Irrespective of the NSS removal proposal, EPIC is a clearly suitable candidate, and will definitely help this wiki. Highly trustworthy. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 08:16, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} sure, good luck! [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} Good luck! [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} Keep up the good work. -[[User:C1K98V|<b style="color:#FF0000">''C1K98V''</b>]] ^{([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]])} 02:35, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} [[User:Bosco|Bosco]] ([[User talk:Bosco|talk]]) 08:51, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support}} [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support|strong}} Very trusted user and Steward on 2 wikifarms [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

===Abstain===

===Oppose===

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==IA changes==

Hello.

In response to my [[Test Wiki:Request for permissions#BZPN|request]] for Interface Administrator rights, I have been asked (by @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]) to provide a list of at least three planned changes for review by other Interface Administrators. Below are the changes I intend to implement:

#In MediaWiki:Gadget-UserInfo.js, I plan to fix the electionadmin display so that it includes a link to [[TW:EADMIN]]. Additionally, the links in the script currently redirect to the title in the user's language instead of the correct translation of the page. I will fix this issue.

#The Twinkle gadget does not function at all. I intend to replace its content to load via mw.loader.load.

#I would like to convert my script for finding unused pages and files into a gadget.

#I plan to update my MassRollback gadget to a newer version.

#Similar to Twinkle, I would also like to replace the content of MediaWiki:Gadget-RedWarn.js to load via mw.loader.load, as it does not currently work properly.

I welcome any feedback or additional suggestions from the community. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:57, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:LGTM. Per my comments on Discord, I don’t have any concerns regarding your knowledge or skill with IA tools, simply curious why you were socking on Miraheze. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:25, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:I believe stewards should grant you IA on a temporary basis at least. You clearly understand what you're doing, though the socking on Miraheze is a red flag. However, I don't think you'll cause immediate disruption to this project. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 01:54, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

::That's (partially) right. Stewards ''may'' grant the interface administrator permission to trusted users with a defined ''need''; however, it isn't limited to temporary grants. Note, though, that the permission may be removed if inactive after 30 days (i.e., no usage in MediaWiki CSS/JS space). It's limited to granting by stewards for security reasons. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:37, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{interface administrator granted}} [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you :). I'll get to work soon. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 13:56, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

==UserRightsManager==

Hello. Is it just me that the UserRightsManager gadget doesn't work (only the button is displayed, but doesn't respond to clicking), or do other users have this problem too? I'd like to know if it's a problem with the gadget or maybe it's something on my end. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 18:08, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:It directs to [[Special:UserRights]]. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 13:25, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

==Proposals: [[Newsletter:Administrators' newsletter|Administrators' newsletter]] and Newsletter extension==

I looked through the current subscribers to the [[Newsletter:Administrators'_newsletter|Administrators' newsletter]], and I don't see evidence of subscribers opting in (versus being subscribed involuntarily).

Test Wiki is, by its name and definition, a place to test gadgets, scripts, and permission sets in MediaWiki software. As such, Administrators and Bureaucrats on Test Wiki are primarily testing permissions, so there will be frequent changes to users with the permission (it changes daily, in most cases). As a result of this, the utility of such a newsletter is very low, versus, say, a content wiki like English Wikipedia.

At the same time, the Newsletter extension is a useful extension, particularly for sending out important notices like inactivity notices, or perhaps notices of community discussions (stewards should primarily handle the latter; any bureaucrat can handle the former).

To ensure users do not become overwhelmed with e-mail notices, I therefore propose the following:

-- [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:59, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

===Proposal 1: [[Newsletter:Administrators' newsletter|Administrators' newsletter]] is made opt-in===

The [[Newsletter:Administrators' newsletter|Administrators' newsletter]] is made opt-in and the subscriber list reset to 0 upon this proposal being closed as adopted. Before resetting the subscriber list to 0, the closing steward shall send one administrative newsletter instructing current subscribers they need to re-add their names to the newsletter's subscriber list if they wish to continue receiving the newsletters.

<!--- PLEASE ADD YOUR VOTE, COMMENTS, AND SIGNATURE LIKE THE BELOW SAMPLE. THANKS! --->

<!--- * {{Support}} <Your comments here.> --->

*{{Support}} as proposer. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}}. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:51, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}} as proposer. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 20:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

===Proposal 2: Newsletters extension should be removed===

The Newsletters extension should be removed.

NOTE: The recommendation is to '''oppose''', to provide a reverse affirmation of support to its installation. In other words, it's a vote of confidence. A majority of support with valid arguments would be a vote of non-confidence and would result in its removal.

<!--- PLEASE ADD YOUR VOTE, COMMENTS, AND SIGNATURE LIKE THE BELOW SAMPLE. THANKS! --->

<!--- * {{Oppose}} <Your comments here.> --->

*{{Oppose}} ratification of support as proposer. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*This is entirely unnecessary. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:49, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*{{oppose}} as no apparent reason to. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 20:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

===Proposal 3: Mandatory newsletters===

The following newsletters are made mandatory (i.e., non-opt-in; opt-out is allowed).

*'''Inactivity notices.''' Trusted bureaucrats and stewards may send out the notice, typically no more than once per month.

*'''Notices of community discussions.''' Stewards, or any current or future steward-delegated role, may send these newsletters, typically consolidated in digest format such that there are no more than 1-2 per month.

NOTE: This proposal is conditional upon '''Proposal 2''' failing.

<!--- PLEASE ADD YOUR VOTE, COMMENTS, AND SIGNATURE LIKE THE BELOW SAMPLE. THANKS! --->

<!--- * {{Support}} <Your comments here.> --->

*{{Support}} as logical and sound as proposer. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*{{oppose|Oppose-ish}}. I’m not entirely sure how doing mass messaged inactivity notices would work. It’s not like people stop editing on the same day(s) so it doesn’t really apply. I think we’ve tried this and it didn’t really work, if I remember correctly. For the community discussion notifications, I would support those if they were opt-in. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*:Technically speaking, neither is ''mandatory'', since 'opt-out' is still permitted. We wouldn't be mass-adding all current users to these two newsletters, but rather just allowing the existing members to continue, regardless of whether they had opted in or not. So, in that sense, in kind of 'is' opt-in. Hope that clarifies. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*::That does clarify, thank you. I {{support}} for community discussions. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:31, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}} for community discussions, at least. As far as I know we don't really send out inactivity notices and rather resort to grace periods for inactive admins, in which case they already receive a notification that way. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 20:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*:Yeah, for clarity, on the inactivity notices, I ''wasn't'' proposing to mass add every Test Wiki user to the newsletter distribution list, but rather just allowing for users to have been added without having to explicitly subscribe. If recently active users were added to the list (i.e., those not currently blocked who were active in the last ninety (90) calendar days or so), that would also be permitted, but we wouldn't want to actively ''encourage'' that and probably should be a steward (unless they've given explicit permission on Discord, IRC, or on-wiki to be added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:37, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

==SecurePoll permission set==

Hi all:

I'm glad to see we've enabled the SecurePoll extension. I'm wondering, though, to reduce the number of testing permission groups, if we might want to either:

*A. Add the <code>securepoll-create-poll</code> and <code>securepoll-edit-poll</code> user rights into either of:

:1. The <code>bureaucrat</code> user group (would require an additional level of trust); or,

:2. The <code>sysop</code> user group

*B. Merge the two permissions into the <code>interwiki-admin</code> user group, then rename the group Election and Interwiki Administrator (<code>election-interwiki-admin</code>)

*C. Maintain the <code>election-admin</code> user group, but instead merge the <code>interwiki-admin</code> permissions into either of:

:1. The <code>bureaucrat</code> user group (would require an additional level of trust); or,

:2. The <code>sysop</code> user group

*D. Something else? Elaborate.

What are your thoughts?

Cheers,

<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:I would support merging both interwiki-admin and SecurePoll admin to the standard bureaucrat permission set. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

::I will note that the "electionadmin" group was added, because in the upstream code, a check is hardcoded for membership in the "electionadmin" group. This was fixed in master, and has not been backported. Master requires MediaWiki 1.44+, so switching to that is not an option. I suppose we could try and cherry pick [https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-SecurePoll/commit/636e167885355010f774739862f261623af66a99#diff-c682d89300c58b325fe3999cb9b82ff980dd70b8fb6ad7f64a8afa22f7ffc8ed this commit], but unless that happens, this cannot be done for technical reasons. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ^{([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])} 22:29, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Ah yes, I remember when the extension was initially installed we had that issue. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 23:06, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

==Piccadilly: How do we handle this situation?==

Hello. Yesterday, an email was sent to staff@testwiki.wiki. It was Piccadilly, asking for their talk page to be unprotected for an appeal. The community has imposed a site ban on Piccadilly, which requires any appeal to be directed to the community, along with a 1 year appeal timeframe. I would like to propose something new: a mentorship. Piccadilly can attend a mentorship for 1 month, with no violations of our rules (otherwise the site ban is reinstated and the appeal timeframe is reset) provided by a steward or other trusted community member. I would also like to propose lifting the ban for 2 months to allow this mentorship process to take place. Any concerns? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:While I appreciate the community consultation before moving forward, I have to say I have my concerns and doubts about the efficacy of this “mentorship.” I applaud the efforts of the stewards, but given the extensive history of the user in question, I find it hard to believe that change will ever occur. Given that the community already unanimously and overwhelmingly voted to not allow any appeals until a year as passed, I suggest we continue to honor that. If a steward would like to mentor them on another project, (ex:Drummingman and WikiMedia) <small> (@[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] simply using you as an example, feel no obligation :)</small> I think that would be beneficial as we approach the one year mark to show growth. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:01, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::What about this: the mentorship is their last chance. Completely serious. If they go through it, and then break our rules again, we ban them indefinitely. No chance for appeal for 2 years. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I would be fine with that… but we have also had a lot of “last chances” with her. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:21, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::::I'm also possibly fine with that, but as I've already expressed several times, I feel like there should be some kind of wider community support for something like this. There has already been a bunch of final chances, so if this goes through this should be the actual final chance, and no further such opportunities after that. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:16, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::I support this mentorship, but I will not be the one to carry it out. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)