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==Proposal: Abolish the non-steward suppressor right==

==Addition of interface admin protection level==

{{Discussion top|There is unanimous and clear consensus to abolish the non-steward suppressor (NSS) role going forward. While the original proposal called for immediate removal, Drummingman's suggestion—to allow the current NSS, namely [[User:X|X]], to retain their rights—received clear support. As such, X will retain their rights until they either resign or are appointed as a steward. No new NSS appointments will be made. This proposal is therefore closed as successful, with Drummingman's amendment adopted. [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 15:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)}}

{{discussion top|{{not done}}. Requester block and no consensus achieved. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:25, 16 October 2023 (UTC)}}

I am proposing that interface administrator protection is added to help protect sensitive interface pages, i.e the sidebar and sitenotice pages, and also for protecting highly used templates. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 06:47, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

*{{Oppose}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

*:@[[User:X|X]] With what rationale? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 12:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

This was already partly discussed in the Test Wiki Discord server, and I'm ultimately bringing it up here as a proposal for the community to comment on.

:*{{Oppose|Weak Oppose}} I don't see why bureaucrat/steward protection isn't enough, particularly for the sidebar.[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

*{{Oppose|Weak oppose}} Per Justarandomamerican. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Simply, I'd like to propose abolishing [[Test Wiki:Suppressors|non-steward suppressors]] on this wiki. We currently have two such users, me being one of them, but ultimately at this time, there is really not much need. There are mainly two factors to this, which I will be listing here.

==Block review of Piccadilly==

#The amount of suppressions, and especially suppression requests, are already low to this date. Except for two suppressions this month (one performed by me and the other by a steward), the last 50 suppressions date back to July last year, most of which were either reverted, performed as tests or performed for old edits/log entries.

#The community is too small, and not large enough to justify having independent suppressors or checkusers. On a wiki as small as this one, it is likely best to center the suppression task to the stewards, both since they already are experienced with CU/OS and personal information, and considering that they have already been the ones mainly handling suppressions on this wiki either way. This would also be a benefit for the security aspects as well, even if compromises are indeed rare here.

Potentially, the community could consider to instead elect new stewards with the inactivity of Dmehus and decreased activity of Justa and MacFan, but in the current state, there isn't really a need nor a community large enough to justify having NSS at this time, and I therefore propose to instead center this task to the stewards. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 13:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I'd like to determine whether consensus believes that Piccadilly creating a blank talk page for a test page is worthy of a 3 month block from talk namespaces. In my opinion a block from talk namespaces is unneeded but instead a final warning, and a filter to warn upon creation of talk pages with a size under 256 bytes (a signature and a few words). For the record, this wiki is a test wiki, not the English Wikipedia, meaning people can test, and they aren't random talk pages, they are talk pages of test pages. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 11:16, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

*{{support}} - as proposer. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 13:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:Or possibly limit the creation to exclude certain words (I.e hello, hi, guys), also, blocking at the request of a steward is mad, as the stewards can block for themselves, they are sysops too and I'd like to see their name in the block log if they authorised the block, as you don't see MacFan telling someone else to update the wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 11:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

*:Just for the record I would also be fine with Drummingman's suggestion to let current NSS keep the rights. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 05:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

::{{oppose}} changing the block. We’ve given Piccadilly so many changes and so many warnings. Why must we give another? I think the partial block is a good alternative to a indef full block. And there’s nothing wrong with blocking on the request of a steward because maybe they can’t get to a laptop or they’re very busy. I’ve done it before and there’s nothing wrong with it. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

:::{{oppose}} changing the block as per [[User:X|X]]'s [[Special:Diff/28972|comment]]. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 12:46, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

::::{{Comment}} -- The blockage was not entirely at my request, only the change from 1 year to three months was made by Justarandomamerican at my request. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:07, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

:::Totally reasonable that they can somehow tell you to do it but not access their computer, I don’t think that’s a very good reason. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 02:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm neutral on the block, to be honest. I'm just glad it isn't an indefinite sitewide block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|My Contribs]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|Talk to me]]) 12:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:Bunnypranav|~/Bunnypranav]]:<[[User talk:Bunnypranav|ping]]> 13:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] May I ask why you tested on talk pages again after many warnings? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:02, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

:{{support}} [[User:VancityRothaug|'''VancityRothaug''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:00, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

::I'm not really sure to be honest. I can say that I wasn't thinking about possible consequences of my actions, which I know isn't an excuse. I think I need to make more of an effort to slow down and think about doing things rather than just rush into them like I tend to do. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|My Contribs]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|Talk to me]]) 13:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

:{{support}} -[[User:C1K98V|''C1K98V'']] ([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]]) 02:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

===Alternate proposal: Prevent creation of talk pages but allow editing===

I ~~have~~ an ~~alternative~~ ~~proposal,~~ to ~~use~~ an ~~edit~~ ~~filter~~ to ~~prevent~~ ~~creation~~ of ~~talk~~ ~~pages~~ ~~for~~ ~~the~~ ~~remainder~~ ~~of the~~ ~~block~~, ~~but~~ ~~allow~~ ~~editing.~~ ~~Any~~ ~~tampering with the filter~~ will ~~result in a desysop and 6 month block from all~~ ~~namespaces~~. [[User:~~Zippybonzo~~|~~Zippybonzo~~]] ([[User talk:~~Zippybonzo~~|talk]]) 12:29, 14 ~~July~~ ~~2023~~ (UTC)

:{{support}} - However, my opinion is that the current two NSSs may retain their rights until they become stewards or resign, and that no new NSSs will be appointed. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} Per Drummingman [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}} Drummingman’s alteration to the proposal. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:08, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

==Nomination of [[User:EPIC]] for Stewardship==

{{Discussion top|'''There is a clear, unanimous consensus to promote EPIC to steward. On behalf of the steward-team, congratulations.''' [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)}}

As with the NSS removal, this was already partly discussed in the Test Wiki Discord server and I would like to officially create this nomination here on the community portal. I am hereby nominating [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] for a stewardship here on Test Wiki. I believe that they have shown extreme dedication to all the hats they hold both on Test Wiki and other, notable wikis and that they would be a perfect fit to help oversee the administration of Test Wiki, alongside with the other 3 stewards. As many of you may know, EPIC is also a steward on Wikimedia which I find to be a great achievement, further improving his experience. Please let me know if you have any other questions in the discussion below. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''VancityRothaug''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{Neutral}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

:I stated it in the Discord server as well so I will partly repeat that here; I'm willing to serve if the community and current stewards are in favor of it, since I could bring some further useful experience and extra help especially now that Dmehus is not currently active and two of the other stewards have decreased activity. One of the stewards have expressed their endorsement beforehand, so I'm ultimately accepting. I shouldn't have a big issue with keeping up my activity either, though I'll otherwise resign if I end up not meeting my expected activity levels.

:Noting for transparency that I'm currently a steward for the Wikimedia projects as well as a sysop on the Swedish Wikipedia and Meta (and a CheckUser on the latter). [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

===Support===

:{{Support}} as the least restrictive method of preventing disruption at the moment. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:43, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

#{{Support}} as nominator. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''VancityRothaug''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

#{{support|strong}} Irrespective of the NSS removal proposal, EPIC is a clearly suitable candidate, and will definitely help this wiki. Highly trustworthy. [[User:Bunnypranav|~/Bunnypranav]]:<[[User talk:Bunnypranav|ping]]> 08:16, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} sure, good luck! [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} Good luck! [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 19:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} Keep up the good work. -[[User:C1K98V|''C1K98V'']] ([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]]) 02:35, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{s}} [[User:Bosco|Bosco]] ([[User talk:Bosco|talk]]) 08:51, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support}} [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support|strong}} Very trusted user and Steward on 2 wikifarms [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

===Abstain===

:{{Support}} [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|My Contribs]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|Talk to me]]) 12:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

:{{Neutral}}. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 15:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

:I believe this can be implemented now, and anyone may remove the block as soon as it is implemented. If they edit existing talk pages to test editing functions, the block may be reinstated by any Bureaucrat. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:19, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

::Implementing... could take a while as I haven't used filters like this in a while. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 04:04, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

:::Should be done, give me a bit of time to test it and I'll be back with a full result. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 04:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

::::{{done}} [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 04:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

===Oppose===

==Proposal: Non steward CheckUser & Oversight/Suppressors==

{{Discussion top|Clear community opposition and proposer blocked. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)}}

Hello, I am proposing non-steward check user and oversight/suppressors, whilst there isn't an active need for extra check users or suppressors as of now, in my opinion, if there are enough people able to perform the role, then they should be in the role as it's always better to have more people when you don't need them but to have none when you need them. Because the two roles are quite high trust, I am proposing the following requirements for each role.

==IA changes==

Checkuser:

Hello.

In response to my [[Test Wiki:Request for permissions#BZPN|request]] for Interface Administrator rights, I have been asked (by @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]) to provide a list of at least three planned changes for review by other Interface Administrators. Below are the changes I intend to implement:

#Basic understanding of IP addresses and ranges and CIDR syntax.

#In MediaWiki:Gadget-UserInfo.js, I plan to fix the electionadmin display so that it includes a link to [[TW:EADMIN]]. Additionally, the links in the script currently redirect to the title in the user's language instead of the correct translation of the page. I will fix this issue.

#Pass a vote on the community portal with either 80% support, or 70-80% at a steward's discretion.

#The Twinkle gadget does not function at all. I intend to replace its content to load via mw.loader.load.

#Have a good understanding of account security.

#I would like to convert my script for finding unused pages and files into a gadget.

#Performing unnecessary or abusive checks will result in having your access revoked.

#I plan to update my MassRollback gadget to a newer version.

#Similar to Twinkle, I would also like to replace the content of MediaWiki:Gadget-RedWarn.js to load via mw.loader.load, as it does not currently work properly.

I welcome any feedback or additional suggestions from the community. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:57, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Suppressor:

:LGTM. Per my comments on Discord, I don’t have any concerns regarding your knowledge or skill with IA tools, simply curious why you were socking on Miraheze. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:25, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

#Basic understanding of suppression criteria.

:I believe stewards should grant you IA on a temporary basis at least. You clearly understand what you're doing, though the socking on Miraheze is a red flag. However, I don't think you'll cause immediate disruption to this project. [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 01:54, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

#Pass a vote on the community portal with either 80% support, or 70-80% at a steward's discretion.

::That's (partially) right. Stewards ''may'' grant the interface administrator permission to trusted users with a defined ''need''; however, it isn't limited to temporary grants. Note, though, that the permission may be removed if inactive after 30 days (i.e., no usage in MediaWiki CSS/JS space). It's limited to granting by stewards for security reasons. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:37, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

#Have a good understanding of account security.

:{{interface administrator granted}} [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you :). I'll get to work soon. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 13:56, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

==UserRightsManager==

I believe that this is also a way for users to gain additional trust.

Hello. Is it just me that the UserRightsManager gadget doesn't work (only the button is displayed, but doesn't respond to clicking), or do other users have this problem too? I'd like to know if it's a problem with the gadget or maybe it's something on my end. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 18:08, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Being that the implementation of this could result in a lack of transparency with the community, I think that 2 additional groups should be added. These groups may not be added immediately,

:It directs to [[Special:UserRights]]. [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 13:25, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

==Proposals: [[Newsletter:Administrators' newsletter|Administrators' newsletter]] and Newsletter extension==

<code>non-steward-suppressor</code>Non-steward suppressor

I looked through the current subscribers to the [[Newsletter:Administrators'_newsletter|Administrators' newsletter]], and I don't see evidence of subscribers opting in (versus being subscribed involuntarily).

With the following rights:

Test Wiki is, by its name and definition, a place to test gadgets, scripts, and permission sets in MediaWiki software. As such, Administrators and Bureaucrats on Test Wiki are primarily testing permissions, so there will be frequent changes to users with the permission (it changes daily, in most cases). As a result of this, the utility of such a newsletter is very low, versus, say, a content wiki like English Wikipedia.

<code>unblockable</code>

At the same time, the Newsletter extension is a useful extension, particularly for sending out important notices like inactivity notices, or perhaps notices of community discussions (stewards should primarily handle the latter; any bureaucrat can handle the former).

Add groups to own account: Suppressor

To ensure users do not become overwhelmed with e-mail notices, I therefore propose the following:

Remove groups from own account: Suppressor

-- [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:59, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

===Proposal 1: [[Newsletter:Administrators' newsletter|Administrators' newsletter]] is made opt-in===

The [[Newsletter:Administrators' newsletter|Administrators' newsletter]] is made opt-in and the subscriber list reset to 0 upon this proposal being closed as adopted. Before resetting the subscriber list to 0, the closing steward shall send one administrative newsletter instructing current subscribers they need to re-add their names to the newsletter's subscriber list if they wish to continue receiving the newsletters.

<code>non-steward-checkuser</code> Non-steward CheckUser

*{{Support}} as proposer. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}}. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:51, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}} as proposer. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 20:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

===Proposal 2: Newsletters extension should be removed===

With the following rights:

The Newsletters extension should be removed.

NOTE: The recommendation is to '''oppose''', to provide a reverse affirmation of support to its installation. In other words, it's a vote of confidence. A majority of support with valid arguments would be a vote of non-confidence and would result in its removal.

<code>unblockable</code>

<code>checkuser-log</code>

*{{Oppose}} ratification of support as proposer. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*This is entirely unnecessary. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:49, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*{{oppose}} as no apparent reason to. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 20:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

===Proposal 3: Mandatory newsletters===

Add groups to own account: Check user

The following newsletters are made mandatory (i.e., non-opt-in; opt-out is allowed).

*'''Inactivity notices.''' Trusted bureaucrats and stewards may send out the notice, typically no more than once per month.

Remove groups from own account: Check user

*'''Notices of community discussions.''' Stewards, or any current or future steward-delegated role, may send these newsletters, typically consolidated in digest format such that there are no more than 1-2 per month.

NOTE: This proposal is conditional upon '''Proposal 2''' failing.

Thank you, [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

*<s>{{support}}: This is a reasonable proposal, and allows trusted community members to assist Stewards in maintaining the wiki if they don't want or need the full steward toolset. Although, if someone is trusted enough for either of these, they should have at least part of the privileges of a Steward, such as the ability to [[Test Wiki: Bureaucrats|indefinitely block in difficult cases, being exempt from the recommendations for bureaucrats]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:52, 28 July 2023 (UTC)</s>

*{{oppose}}: Why do both sets of rights need the <code>unblockable</code> right? [[User:Dusti|Dusti]] ([[User talk:Dusti|talk]]) 14:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

*{{Support}} as logical and sound as proposer. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*{{oppose}} as written, why should non-steward functionaries have the unblockable user right? If an emergency happens, a Bureaucrat should be able to block them from editing. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

*{{oppose|Oppose-ish}}. I’m not entirely sure how doing mass messaged inactivity notices would work. It’s not like people stop editing on the same day(s) so it doesn’t really apply. I think we’ve tried this and it didn’t really work, if I remember correctly. For the community discussion notifications, I would support those if they were opt-in. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*{{oppose}}. Why do they need unblockable? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:21, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

*:Technically speaking, neither is ''mandatory'', since 'opt-out' is still permitted. We wouldn't be mass-adding all current users to these two newsletters, but rather just allowing the existing members to continue, regardless of whether they had opted in or not. So, in that sense, in kind of 'is' opt-in. Hope that clarifies. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*::That does clarify, thank you. I {{support}} for community discussions. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:31, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}} for community discussions, at least. As far as I know we don't really send out inactivity notices and rather resort to grace periods for inactive admins, in which case they already receive a notification that way. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 20:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

*:Yeah, for clarity, on the inactivity notices, I ''wasn't'' proposing to mass add every Test Wiki user to the newsletter distribution list, but rather just allowing for users to have been added without having to explicitly subscribe. If recently active users were added to the list (i.e., those not currently blocked who were active in the last ninety (90) calendar days or so), that would also be permitted, but we wouldn't want to actively ''encourage'' that and probably should be a steward (unless they've given explicit permission on Discord, IRC, or on-wiki to be added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:37, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

==SecurePoll permission set==

==Please remove X's interface admin rights==

:''The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.'' {{not done}} - X has become active again, so that is no longer necessary. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:07, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

X writes on his user page, "I don't plan to be active here." Interface admin privileges are very strong and inactive and can be hijacked and should be removed. [[User:Chqaz|Chqaz]] ([[User talk:Chqaz|talk]]) 08:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi all:

:I don't think that's necessary [[Special:MobileDiff/29357|anymore]]? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

:X has told me multiple times they would like to retain their rights. Not necessary... [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:56, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

::I for one can vouch that X would prefer to retain their rights as per an email conversation. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 15:57, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm glad to see we've enabled the SecurePoll extension. I'm wondering, though, to reduce the number of testing permission groups, if we might want to either:

==Request for System Administrator: Zippybonzo==

{{Discussion top|{{Not done}} per block. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]]) 12:59, 6 August 2023 (UTC)}}

Hello TestWiki.Wiki Community,

*A. Add the <code>securepoll-create-poll</code> and <code>securepoll-edit-poll</code> user rights into either of:

I am proposing myself for the system administrator position, to help keep the server running and configured as we would like it, as our current sysadmin isn't as active as they could be, and I think I could help supplement them. My experience consists of having a pretty good understanding of MediaWiki and some PHP, and I am pretty experienced with GitHub and SSH.

:1. The <code>bureaucrat</code> user group (would require an additional level of trust); or,

:2. The <code>sysop</code> user group

*B. Merge the two permissions into the <code>interwiki-admin</code> user group, then rename the group Election and Interwiki Administrator (<code>election-interwiki-admin</code>)

*C. Maintain the <code>election-admin</code> user group, but instead merge the <code>interwiki-admin</code> permissions into either of:

:1. The <code>bureaucrat</code> user group (would require an additional level of trust); or,

:2. The <code>sysop</code> user group

*D. Something else? Elaborate.

What are your thoughts?

Thank you for your consideration, [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 19:07, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

===Questions:===

*Im not convinced there’s a huge need for another system administrator. If elected, what would your first action be, to prove there’s a need for an action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

::To close my open pull request on GH to add <code>checkuser-log</code> to the steward user group as per an above discussion. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 19:13, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

===Discussion:===

===Support===

===Oppose===

*{{Oppose}} -- I'm sorry to say it: To my knowledge, Zippybonzo is not (has not been) a steward or system administrator on a Wikimedia, Miraheze or other large wikifarm. On these wikis, you only become one after a thorough review and vote. To me, that is a hard requirement for a system administrator. SA has the unlimited power to shut down an entire wiki (database lock and unlock) block anyone and deny anyone user rights. Therefore, this right can only be granted to highly trusted users. At the moment, I am not convinced that Zippybonzo meets this requirement. Of course, technical competence is also very important. But I think that is secondary to the above requirement. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 09:59, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

*:Just to be completely clear here, I am one of the most trustable users on this wiki, given my reputation on enwiki. Now whether you don't believe that holding trusted positions on the largest wiki in the world is 'trusted' is a different question, which I will not ask. However your definition of trusted is very specific. Based on how you think technical competence is secondary to trust, I don't believe this vote is taking into perspective both the need of a sysadmin for this wiki, and other factors. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 11:05, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

**:{{Oppose}} -- I agree with Drummingman's thoughts and opinions. I am also opposing due to Zippybonzo's passive-aggressive response to the opposal by Drummingman. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 21:17, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

*'''Strongest oppose''' Per Drummingman and Zippybonzo is blocked for sockpuppetry and abuse on 3 wikis. He has destroyed moviepedia 2 times and he can hack other accounts. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 11:06, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

*{{oppose}} per Sav. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:02, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Cheers,

===Neutral===

[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:I would support merging both interwiki-admin and SecurePoll admin to the standard bureaucrat permission set. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

==Block review of [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]==

::I will note that the "electionadmin" group was added, because in the upstream code, a check is hardcoded for membership in the "electionadmin" group. This was fixed in master, and has not been backported. Master requires MediaWiki 1.44+, so switching to that is not an option. I suppose we could try and cherry pick [https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-SecurePoll/commit/636e167885355010f774739862f261623af66a99#diff-c682d89300c58b325fe3999cb9b82ff980dd70b8fb6ad7f64a8afa22f7ffc8ed this commit], but unless that happens, this cannot be done for technical reasons. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]]) 22:29, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

{{Discussion top|Although I am involved by participating, consensus is clear here: All arguments in favor of unblocking Zippybonzo, even conditionally, have been refuted, and therefore there is ''consensus against'' unblocking Zippybonzo. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)}}

:::Ah yes, I remember when the extension was initially installed we had that issue. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 23:06, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm not one to usually interfere with the runnings of other wiki's, however, it's come to my attention that Zippybonzo was blocked here for some schenanigans that went on last week on another wiki. I don't see a policy in place where harmless pranks can result in a block here, and I'd like to call the community's attention to the block and ask that it be lifted.

==Piccadilly: How do we handle this situation?==

While it really shouldn't have happened, generally speaking I don't see off wiki conduct (like a prank) needing something as significant as an indefinite block labelled as a Steward action.

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::Despite participating in this discussion, there is consensus against unblocking Piccadilly at this time, and this has been withdrawn by Justarandomamerican. [[User:Codename Noreste|'''''Codename Noreste''''']] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|talk]]) 18:35, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

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<s>Hello. Yesterday, an email was sent to staff@testwiki.wiki. It was Piccadilly, asking for their talk page to be unprotected for an appeal. The community has imposed a site ban on Piccadilly, which requires any appeal to be directed to the community, along with a 1 year appeal timeframe. I would like to propose something new: a mentorship. Piccadilly can attend a mentorship for 1 month, with no violations of our rules (otherwise the site ban is reinstated and the appeal timeframe is reset) provided by a steward or other trusted community member. I would also like to propose lifting the ban for 2 months to allow this mentorship process to take place. Any concerns? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)</s> withdrawn on 12:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:While I appreciate the community consultation before moving forward, I have to say I have my concerns and doubts about the efficacy of this “mentorship.” I applaud the efforts of the stewards, but given the extensive history of the user in question, I find it hard to believe that change will ever occur. Given that the community already unanimously and overwhelmingly voted to not allow any appeals until a year as passed, I suggest we continue to honor that. If a steward would like to mentor them on another project, (ex:Drummingman and WikiMedia) (@[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] simply using you as an example, feel no obligation :) I think that would be beneficial as we approach the one year mark to show growth. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:01, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

The user on the other end of the prank actually threatened Zippybonzo with violence, which resulted in an [https://thetestwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=111 indefinite block] on my TestWiki along with a lock of their global account. That conduct I can certainly see resulting in an indefinite block. [[User:Dusti|Dusti]] ([[User talk:Dusti|talk]]) 14:47, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

::What about this: the mentorship is their last chance. Completely serious. If they go through it, and then break our rules again, we ban them indefinitely. No chance for appeal for 2 years. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:I tend to agree with this assessment. Unless the off-wiki matter involves serious issues such as severe harassment or threats of violence, like noted above, I don't see how people's actions on one wiki should affect their standings on other wikis. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|My Contribs]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|Talk to me]]) 14:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

:I ~~oppose.~~ ~~The~~ ~~reason~~ ~~for~~ ~~said~~ ~~block~~ is ~~clearly~~ ~~stated~~ ~~and~~ ~~so,~~ ~~his~~ ~~block~~ ~~'''should'''~~ ~~remain~~ ~~active~~. [[User:~~Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav~~| ~~Edits~~]] | [[~~Special:Newsection/~~User talk:~~Sav~~|~~<span~~ ~~style="color~~:~~#0080ff">Talk <~~/~~span>~~]]) 15:57, 7 ~~August~~ ~~2023~~ (UTC)

:::I would be fine with that… but we have also had a lot of “last chances” with her. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:21, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::::I'm also possibly fine with that, but as I've already expressed several times, I feel like there should be some kind of wider community support for something like this. There has already been a bunch of final chances, so if this goes through this should be the actual final chance, and no further such opportunities after that. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:16, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:A prank requires the other party to laugh. Severely disrupting a wiki and then claiming it was a prank after the owner of said wiki repeatedly attempted to stop said disruption doesn't work. It's like playing a prank on the Wikipedia community as an admin by deleting [[Wikipedia:Barack Obama|an article on a president of the United States]] and then blocking [[Wikipedia:User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo]]. This was intentionally inflicting emotional harm on (trolling) another member of this wiki, [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]], and therefore I have no problem with the block. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:26, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

:I ~~simply~~ ~~don’t~~ ~~believe~~ my ~~actions~~ on ~~one~~ ~~wiki~~ ~~should~~ be ~~carried~~ ~~over~~ to an ~~entirely~~ ~~unrelated~~ ~~wiki.~~ ~~The~~ ~~actions~~ ~~were~~ ~~unwise,~~ ~~but~~ I ~~did~~ ~~not~~ ~~violate~~ the ~~policies~~ of that ~~wiki~~. [[User:~~Zippybonzo~~|~~Zippybonzo~~]] ([[User talk:~~Zippybonzo~~|talk]]) 16:57, 7 ~~August~~ ~~2023~~ (UTC) ~~copied to the community portal by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]). ~~

:::::Noting that I'm opposed to an unblock at the moment, the linked diffs are simply too recent and it's probably better at this time to just let the year pass and evaluate this at that time. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 10:21, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::~~This~~ ~~response~~ ~~is..~~ ~~not~~ ~~good.~~ A ~~wiki or other community does~~ not ~~have~~ ~~to codify: "Disrupting us is prohibited." That is~~ ~~assumed~~ to be ~~the~~ ~~case~~. [[User:~~Justarandomamerican~~|~~Justarandomamerican~~]] ([[User talk:~~Justarandomamerican~~|talk]]) 17:05, 7 ~~August~~ ~~2023~~ (UTC)

:::::I support this mentorship, but I will not be the one to carry it out. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::I am strongly opposed to this, see [https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/209.239.104.93]. [[User:Codename Noreste|'''''Codename Noreste''''']] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|talk]]) 04:24, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Whilst that is true, there is no reason the block from an entirely unrelated wiki should be carried over to this wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:20, 7 August 2023 (UTC) - moved to the community portal by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]).

:::::::That is indeed very concerning. I also oppose an unblock. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

::::There is a valid reason for extending the block to this Wiki. Even though this is a Test Wiki, we must uphold responsibility and avoid any form of abuse, a concept that seems to have been misunderstood in your case. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 17:31, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

::::~~It's not being carried over. You intentionally inflicted emotional distress upon [[User~~:~~Cocopuff2018|a~~ ~~fellow member of this wiki]]~~, ~~which~~ ~~earned~~ ~~you~~ a ~~block~~ on ~~this wiki to prevent further problems and deter your disruptive behavior~~. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:33, 7 ~~August~~ ~~2023~~ (UTC) ~~(edit conflict)~~

:::::::Oh, jeez, I withdraw my request for an unblock. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:53, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hi. I came to check in on something completely different, and thought I would give a drive-by opinion. If this appeal is early (has it been a year?), I strongly oppose an unblock. Aside from CN's diff, if they can't follow simple, objective instructions like "don't appeal until a year has passed", there is no chance they can follow any rules. Best, [[User:HouseBlaster|HouseBlaster]] ([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]) 06:03, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::I tend to agree with Zippybonzo on this point. I think each wiki should be a "fresh start" so to speak, where as long as a user doesn't cause any serious disruption on this wiki, they shouldn't be blocked based on off-wiki matters. If we're going by the principle that Justarandomamerican suggests, then to be honest I would probably be blocked here as well because of issues from thetestwiki.org and Wikimedia. So why is it that off-wiki matters don't count against me but they do for Zippybonzo? [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|My Contribs]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|Talk to me]]) 17:34, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

::::::No, because your issues do not involve trolling members of this wiki. In this case, it actually affects this wiki due to causing emotional distress to its contributors, and deserves a block. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

===Proposal===

I have an idea regarding this block situation. I understand that some undesireable things have happened between Cocopuff and Zippybonzo, but maybe we can unblock Zippybonzo (with a steward's agreement) on the condition that any undesireable behavior here will result in a reblock? I think that's reasonable. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|My Contribs]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|Talk to me]]) 21:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

:<s>That sounds reasonable, how about we word it like this: "Any behavior that is disruptive to this wiki, in the judgment of a Bureaucrat, shall result in an immediate indefinite <ins>site-wide</ins> reblock, account creation disabled, autoblock enabled, with other settings being at the Bureaucrat's discretion." [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)</s>

::Yeah that sounds good to me. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|My Contribs]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|Talk to me]]) 21:36, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

:::I'd like clarification on what would become of Zippys sysop/IA/crat status, if this proposal was implemented. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:09, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

::::<s>IA is already removed, and should stay as such for the foreseeable future. Crat shouldn't be allowed until a certain period of time has passed, around 6 weeks IMO, but sysop should be regranted. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:17, 7 August 2023 (UTC)</s>

:::::I’m going to oppose this alternate proposal due to some discord messages Zippy has left me. You can email/DM me if needed. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:53, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

::::::<s>Please can you provide me evidence of these Discord messages? You have my contact information. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 15:11, 8 August 2023 (UTC)</s>

strong oppose, im sorry but i dont trust him at all. and he was just recently block I think it's still too early. [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 14:47, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

*Unfortunately, I must oppose at this point in time, as ZB has said privately he is tempted to abuse this wiki. The block will prevent such a thing from happening. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

*: Echoing the sentiments of @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I stand unfortunately oppose as well. Having personally encountered the comments posted by ZB, I agree with the concerns raised. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 16:38, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

==Request for Stewardship: Justarandomamerican==

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::With no one voting against and the only neutral reservations/abstain being about a (now closed) another wiki, where otherwise no objection came from other users, there is a clear consensus to promote to steward. On behalf of the steward-team, congratulations. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

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I nominate myself for Stewardship due to there only being 1 regularly active Steward, Drummingman. MacFan4000 is semi-active, and Dmehus? He has not been active since the 3rd of July. I've been active here for quite a bit, and it's not really a great idea to have 1 active person taking care of most Steward maintenance tasks, so I volunteer to be the second. Account Security: I have a strong password securing my account and MFA enabled. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

===Questions===

====Self-imposed FAQ====

#When will you use the suppression toolset?

#:I will use it in any of the following scenarios: Personally identifiable information of anyone being shared without their consent, PII of an apparent minor being shared, anything else that the public at large should not be able to view, as sysop rights are easy to obtain, that is the purpose of the wiki, and external links containing one of those three scenarios. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

#When will you use the check user toolset?

#:I will use it only to investigate, respond to, and/or prevent disruption such as sockpuppetry or vandalism, in accordance with the Privacy policy's abuse provision. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

====Other Questions====

#. What is your take on off wiki/off site behavior impacting a user account here? Let's say on another wiki, unrelated to this site. [[User:Dusti|Dusti]] ([[User talk:Dusti|talk]]) 14:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

#:I do not feel it warrants a block or other action, unless it materially affects this wiki, such as [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:OWH|off-wiki harassment]] by a contributor to another contributor, or if, in the totality of the circumstances, it could result in disruption here. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

===Support===

#I'll kick this off with your first support. [[User:Dusti|Dusti]] ([[User talk:Dusti|talk]]) 01:36, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

#Trusted user. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 07:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

#Trusted and experienced user. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 08:02, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

#Trusted user. [[User:Chqaz|Chqaz]] ([[User talk:Chqaz|talk]]) 17:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

===Oppose===

===Neutral/abstain===

#I’m going to be neutral here, and I feel that Justa should withdraw this and wait. A wiki that the candidate and I were stewards on was recently closed because of actions taken by the steward team. I don’t think that starting an RfS on another TestWiki days after another one was closed, partially because of our actions, is a good look or idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:57, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

#:This has been discussed at length in private by us two and ZB, a user who is ''de facto'' banned by the community on this wiki (declined block review) due to their actions, and it was decided that the closure was wrong overall. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

:::Yes, but that is our personal opinions, not the opinion of the site creator and operator. In his opinion, we completely ruined the wiki. Which is why the above still, regardless, stands. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:09, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

::::He can operate his site as he wishes, including resetting the wiki even though the community thinks it was wrong, and he could even rule the wiki as an absolute dictator without consequence. There is no rational cause --> effect sequence here: I take action based on off-wiki and on-wiki repeated civility issues, that does not cause the site as a whole to be ruined. I have no other involvement in the points MTzh brought up, I believe, although I do not remember them and they can no longer be accessed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:18, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

:::::My point is that a block you placed that, while I do believe it was correct, partially led to the reset and closure of a wiki. I just think it’s too soon. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

===Other comments===

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==Idea Lab: Deputy Stewards==

==Proposal to merge editor and reviewer==

{{Discussion top|Phab request created: See [https://phabricator.testwiki.wiki/T68 T68]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)}}

<s>Hi there! I recently created a draft page detailing the scope of a potential new user group, and I would like you to give me feedback on the need for, and scope of [[User:Justarandomamerican/Deputy Stewards|Deputy Stewards]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)</s>, withdrawn on 02:08, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

[[Special:ListGroupRights#editor|Rights attached to editer]] and [[Special:ListGroupRights#reviewer|Rights attached to reviewer]] are exactly the same and one is enough.--[[User:Chqaz|Chqaz]] ([[User talk:Chqaz|talk]]) 01:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

:I would say that the only part of this that can be debated is which right they should be merged into. I say it should be reviewer, as the more sensible name. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:48, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

::I agree. [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 05:51, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

::I also agree that the editor right can just be deleted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

:::I concur, this has my vote. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 12:52, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

:I agree with merge. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 11:29, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

::I also agree. [[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] ([[User talk:TenWhile6|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[m:SWMT|SWMT]]) 11:32, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

==1 year spam blocks- Automatic, or status quo?==

{{discussion top|{{done}}! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:51, 2 October 2023 (UTC)}}

Currently, our spam abuse filters are set to block anon users for 6 months, and a human administrator extends it to 1 year upon confirmation of spam. Would it be better to simply have our spam abuse filters block for 1 year? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:12, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

:{{support}} blocking for one year automatically. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:03, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

:~~{{support}}--~~[[User:~~Chqaz~~|~~Chqaz~~]] ([[User talk:~~Chqaz~~|talk]]) 04:55, 2 ~~October~~ ~~2023~~ (UTC)

:Note: This would replace the NSS and AFA roles. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}}, seems like a useful addition. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 01:26, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:Seems largely unnecessary to me. It appears to be a combination of abuse filter admin and NSS, one of which is already being deprecated. The only difference that I noticed between the proposed role and stewardship is the use of the CheckUser tool. If someone is trustworthy and active enough to attain this right, they are most certainly able to simply become a steward. If the steward team is in need of additional membership/support and finds their duties too burdensome, I know multiple users that have expressed an interest if the need arose.

:TL;DR: If the stewards need help, let’s elect more stewards not make an additional unneeded role. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:51, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

::Honestly, you make good points. However, some form of functionary step up would be a good option in my opinion (to prove trustworthiness) but what exactly would that be? Should we make crat a non-test role? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:::In my opinion, trustworthiness can be shown in other ways. Through making thoughtful and informed comments here, consistently granting admin/crat rights according to policy, helping with inactivity removals, etc. Additionally, 95+% of users here are on other wikis. Trust can be shown through that as well. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:58, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

==X for Stewardship==

==Proposal: Remove the ability for IP editing==

{{Discussion top|While there is some support, there isn't a strong consensus. Personally I would want to allow IPs to perform legitimate test edits. Since three isn't strong consensus for or against, I will call this unsuccessful. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] ([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]]) 01:52, 26 October 2023 (UTC)}}

I suggest removing the ability for IPs to edit all pages. The sole purpose of this wiki is to test administrator tools, which IPs cannot do. In addition, the only IPs that edit this wiki are used by an LTA for spam, which is mostly caught by an abuse filter. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:06, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

As arguably one of the more trusted non-stewards on Test Wiki, I believe [[User:X|X]] should become a Steward. They already have the permission to suppress revisions, which is part of the more sensitive tools of the Steward toolset. I believe they are trusted enough to have the full toolset. Thank you for your time. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:{{support}}. [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

:I am honored to accept this stewardship nomination. A little bit about me: I’m a crat, NSS, and interface admin here on TestWiki. I also serve as a moderator and founder of the TestWiki Discord server. You can find me commenting on proposals here, auditing user rights, or dealing with LTAs. I also am a steward on multiple wiki farms, including WikiOasis and SkyWiki. I’m always just a ping away [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 02:17, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

===Support===

#{{support|strong}} as nom. I nominated X for Stewardship for several reasons. 1, so we can have a team of 4 fully active stewards, 2, because they are already trusted enough for part of the toolset, and 3, they have different perspectives on things than the other Stewards. I believe a fresh dose of perspective is healthy for us, along with the fact that we could always use more Stewards (until, of course, we have 20 stewards LOL). [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:20, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support}} per Justa. [[User:Codename Noreste|'''''Codename Noreste''''']] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|talk]]) 02:21, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support}} [[User:Bunnypranav|~/Bunnypranav]]:<[[User talk:Bunnypranav|ping]]> 10:35, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support}} Would make a wonderful steward! [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 14:17, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support}} [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 17:39, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support|strong}} yet another well experienced user who deserves to become a steward here at Test Wiki. Supporting per justa. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''VancityRothaug''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 19:09, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

#{{support}}. [[User:Sidrat al-Muntaha|Sidrat al-Muntaha]] ([[User talk:Sidrat al-Muntaha|talk]]) 19:21, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

===Abstain===

:{{support}}--[[User:Chqaz|Chqaz]] ([[User talk:Chqaz|talk]]) 04:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

===Oppose===

:{{support}} [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 07:41, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

:I created [https://phabricator.testwiki.wiki/T69 T69]--[[User:Chqaz|Chqaz]] ([[User talk:Chqaz|talk]]) 12:31, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

:<s>'''Neutral, leaning oppose'''</s>{{oppose}}. Weighing the pros and cons gives me a <s> neutral </s> <ins> opposing </ins> stance. This would prevent some abuse, but multiple accounts can easily be created to continue that abuse. In addition, this may have a deterrent effect on good faith users. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

::Reconsidered, opposing, I think this is overall negative, as it deters good faith users by making them think they are not welcome to test, and prevents abuse only from the laziest LTAs. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:48, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

:{{oppose}} -- I think it's important that people who want to test feel welcome, even if they would rather not create an account yet. Further per Justarandomamerican. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

==Category:Advanced users==

===Comments===

Hello,

#Should this nomination be closed as successful, as appears likely, this is more of a note to [[Test Wiki:System administrators|system administrators]] that the non-steward suppressor user group [[rfc:2119|must]] then be deleted in accordance with this [[Test Wiki:Community portal#Proposal: Abolish the non-steward suppressor right|this recently passed community proposal]] given that X's non-steward suppressor user group will be swapped for the steward user group on closing. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

I've observed that {{Ping|Username}} recently created this page and combined other sysop groups into it without prior discussion on the Community Portal. Both {{Ping|Justarandomamerican}} and I have since reverted these edits. Consequently, I'd like to open a discussion regarding the fate of this page—whether it should be retained or deleted.

Warm regards, [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 13:57, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

==Steward Confirmation/Recall process==

:I don't really see a problem with it. Doesn't seem to be a problematic category, but this function is already done by [[:Category:Test Wiki administrators|Category:Administrators]] and [[:Category:Test Wiki bureaucrats|Category:Bureaucrats]], and similar, so it's somewhat redundant. [[User:EggRoll97|EggRoll97]] ([[User talk:EggRoll97|talk]]) 19:12, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

:I'd say it should be retained, and all the permissions categories should be put into it, to create a category tree. Although I can comprehend what Username was thinking, in that there should be 1 category, the better way to do that is to categorize all the advanced user categories into the advanced users category. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:44, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

::I concur, so keep it as it currently is? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 07:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

:::Yes. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:02, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello. This has been proposed in the past, but was withdrawn by the proposer. This is an RFC with multiple options. Should stewards:

==Apologies==

A: Be subject to community recall upon petition by 2 stewards or 5 bureaucrats,

B: Be subject to community recall upon petition by 1 steward or 5 bureaucrats,

C: not be subject to community recall or confirmation,

D: Be subject to regular confirmation every 3 months?

Options A and B would require community consensus in favor of recall, and option D would require community consensus to keep the steward. This proposal would not affect system administrators. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:This is very much needed! Btw,for anyone wondering, the past proposal : [[Test_Wiki:Community_portal/Archive_11#Proposal_2]] [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 15:44, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

I deeply regret the oversight that resulted in some of you having your rights removed unfairly. In my sleep-deprived state, I misread "3 months" as "1 month." I want to offer my sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.

:I support Option A.

:*Option D too frequent to be practical.

:*Option C which removes all forms of community recall or confirmation, lacks accountability.

:*Option B would allow a single steward to initiate a recall, which could lead to abuse, personal disputes being escalated unnecessarily, and unnecessary use of the community's time.

:[[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 15:48, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

::I'd also support option A per above, or keep the system we have today (no confirmations but the possibility of a new voting if and when needed). [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 15:51, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:A > B > D, per above. Oppose C. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:52, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:*If I may make a suggestion, it seems that option A is the best proposal, as it requires the consent of multiple users before a removal/recall procedure is initiated. I would say that option D seems to have the potential to lead to a number of disagreements and disputes. I understand that a similar confirmation vote was held on nlwiki in the past. (I was not yet a user on Wikimedia at the time.) I believe it was abolished there, partly because of the many disputes that arose from it. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:01, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:I only support option A. I would expound, but my thoughts are largely echoed by everyone else above. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 16:24, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

:I believe [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] makes a good point in saying we should keep the current system with the possibility of a new voting if and when needed. What would that look like? I would say it might look like having an annual Steward re-confirmation vote, requiring Stewards to submit to a reconfirmation vote every year. Being subject to a reconfirmation vote at least once every year would, therefore, ensure the community is provided an opportunity to express their (dis)satisfaction level with current stewards every year. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:41, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::For a wiki and userbase as small as TestWiki, I’m not sure a yearly reconfirmation is necessary. I prefer proposal A to this. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:54, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal for a rights-bot==

I have taken immediate action to rectify this mistake. All actions against you have been reverted, and your rights have been reinstated. While I won't mention names, I trust that those affected will know who they are.

If you're on the Test Wiki's Discord server, you may already be aware of this update. For those who are not, I recently configured [[User:APBOT|APBOT]] to handle the removal of rights from inactive users, publish inactivity warnings, and update the [[Activity]] page. However, since I am not a steward, APBOT cannot directly remove the interface administrator flag. To address this, I shared the updated code with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justa]], who is currently running the bot through his account via a cron job on a server. I propose that a dedicated bot account named "Inactivity bot" be created and placed in the <code>rights-bot</code> group. This group should be granted the following rights:

Once again, I apologize for any frustration or confusion this may have caused. Thank you for your understanding.

*<s><code>userrights</code> – for removing rights from inactive users </s>

Warm regards, [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav| Edits]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|Talk ]]) 03:26, 14 October 2023 (UTC).

*<code>edit</code> – to edit user talk pages and the Activity report

*<code>createpage</code> – to create the Activity page if it does not exist (in case someone deletes it)

*<code>createtalk</code> - to create talk pages of users, incase it doesn't exist

*<code>read</code> – basic read access to pages

*<code>noratelimit</code> – to prevent hitting API rate limits

*<code>bot</code> - to hide the bot's edits from recent changes

Additionally, the bot should only be allowed to remove rights from the following user groups:

==Non-steward oversighters/checkusers - alternate proposal==

*<code>sysop</code>

I propose allowing non-stewards to access checkuser/oversight tools, similar to the above proposal, but without the unblockable right. Being that the implementation of this could result in a lack of transparency with the community, I think that 2 additional groups should be added.

*<code>bureaucrat</code>

*<code>interface-admin</code>

*<code>abusefilter-admin</code>

[[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 17:22, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:userrights grants the permission to grant and revoke all user rights. If the bot should be restricted to specific groups, a $wgRemoveGroups would be better. I would also like to propose that it removes abuse filter administrator. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:26, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

non-steward-suppressor:

::Oh yes - I forgot that it allows you to grant and revoke all user rights.... Also I am completely fine with removal of AFA since it also requires 3 months of inactivity [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 17:29, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:If Interface Administrator is included among the groups to remove, then the bot '''must''' be run ''only'' by a current steward, as that group is solely administered by Stewards for technical reasons. As well, in order to be considered ''active'' as an Interface Administrator, the Interface Administrator '''must''' have made a CSS or JS edit in MediaWiki namespace or an CSS/JS edit in another user's userspace, as all other MediaWiki namespace edits require only sysop permission. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:34, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::The bot is being run by Justa. And I can configure it to check if the IA made changes in mw namespace, or made changes to css/js. [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 17:41, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::I'm not sure why it needs to be administered by a steward. The bot only has permission to remove the group, not assign it. As for the technical reasons, I believe the concern was about the potential damage an interface admin could cause — but in this case, the bot doesn’t assign the group; it only has the right to remove it. [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 17:44, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:::If Justarandomamerican is running the bot, then I have no concerns with this proposal, though would note Inactivity Policy doesn't apply to <code>chatmod</code> and <code>reviewer</code>, so not sure why this would be removing those groups.

:::As for why it needs to be a steward, yes, I get that this bot would only be ''removing'' the permission, but the administration of the Interface Administrator user group isn't subject to community decision-making. It's strictly a steward-administered user group. I suppose stewards could delegate a non-steward to run the bot on a case-by-case basis, sure, but that would be stewards deciding to do it. It isn't something the community is able to decide. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:50, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::::I’ve updated the list, and I’ll update the code as well at the earliest. [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 17:54, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::Okay, sounds good, thanks! :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:02, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:Can this rightsbot be run on [[User:Justarandomamerican (BOT)|Justarandomamerican (BOT)]] instead? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:54, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

::That sounds fine, but it may even be worth creating a new account with a specified username about the bots purpose, like “Inactivity Bot” or “Rights Bot”. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:59, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:::It might, and that was the original option, and I think that would be fine too. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:11, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

==Resignation==

With the following rights: suppression-log

Hi all:

Add groups to own account: Suppressor

I've been too busy with work, which has led to my limited capacity as a steward. As well, when I ''do'' return, there is an increased level of education I have to do to inform myself as to recent developments, both technical and community, within Test Wiki.

Remove groups from own account: Suppressor

So, I've decided to turn in my advanced bits. Should I have capacity with more regularity and consistency to return as a steward, I will do so then by seeking election.

Thanks,

non-steward-checkuser:

[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:20, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you for your service! [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 17:00, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

With the following rights:

:Even with less activity, your insights were always very great. I wish you all the very best in real life. We will miss you! [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 17:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for all you have done for Test Wiki. :) Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 17:08, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you for your service! Hope to see you potentially return to activity. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 17:07, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you for your service. I hope to see you soon. [[User:Sidrat al-Muntaha|Sidrat al-Muntaha]] ([[User talk:Sidrat al-Muntaha|talk]]) 19:56, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to exempt <code>autopatrolled</code> from [[Test Wiki:Inactivity|inactivity policy]]==

checkuser-log

I'd like to recommend that we exempt the <code>autopatrolled</code> from [[Test Wiki:Inactivity|inactivity policy]]. The permission is ''not'' an advanced permission nor does it geant permissions with security implications warranting an removal where a user is inactive. Its only utility is to reduce the need to patrol revisions of users who are not autopatrolled. Test Wiki is not a content wiki; therefore, there is no need to have users regularly patrolling revisions.

Add groups to own account: Check user

As an alternative proposal, I would suggest adding the <code>autopatrol</code> user right to the <code>autoconfirmed</code> user group.

Remove groups from own account: Check user

Cheers,

These users can be appointed by either:

1) Community consensus, closed by a steward

:{{Support}} both the main and alternative proposals. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:26, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

2) Steward consensus, at least 2 stewards support giving the right

:{{support}} alternative. Reduces unnecessary work on Stewards, and makes the groups config simpler. [[User:Bunnypranav|~/Bunnypranav]]:<[[User talk:Bunnypranav|ping]]> 16:29, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

A user may not hold both suppressor and checkuser rights, unless they apply for steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

:{{support}} Agreed [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 17:02, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

*{{support}}: No inherent problems with this, although NSSs should have <code>suppressionlog</code> as Stewards do without the suppressor flag. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:47, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

:This proposal is not necessary, given that the IP already only applies to admins, crats, AFAs, stewards, and system administrators. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:12, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

*:{{done|Amended}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:15, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

::Well, I have seen users in past remove autopatrolled and citing inactivity as a reason [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 17:13, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

*::'''Partially supporting'''. With suppression, I have no problem granting it to non-stewards as well. I therefore support that part. Granting a checkusser to non-stewards is not a good idea in my opinion. That right is so sensitive with privacy that I prefer to keep that with the stewards and since we have 4 stewards of which 2 are active and 1 semi-active, I see no reason to grant it to non-stewards as well. And otherwise, steward elections can always be held. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

:::For example [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=43495 here] and [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=43487 here] [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 17:15, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

*:::I don't think there's a serious actual privacy issue, although I can see your point that someone with non steward checkuser access would be practically on the same level of trust as Stewards. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:22, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

::Also this change will directly affect [[Test_Wiki:Community_portal#Proposal_for_a_rights-bot]] [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 17:16, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Per Justarandomamerican's comment above, we can, therefore, remove <code>autopatrolled</code> from the above proposal you mention, but I do agree with you that bureaucrats removing non-sysop user groups has definitely occurred many times.

:::We actually should remove the <code>chatmod</code> and <code>reviewer</code> user groups from the above proposal for that reason, too. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:37, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::That's good, then, Justarandomamerican, but like [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP]], I have also observed similar non-sysop user group removals by bureaucrats in the past. If nothing else, this proposal seeks to codify or clarify inconsistent past practices. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:29, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:::In that case, I would {{support}} the alternative proposal. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:39, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:I have a few suggestions: we should merge the autoreview user group to the autopatrolled user group, and merge the reviewer user group with the patroller user group. Why do we need two separate groups that only have their edits marked as patrolled or reviewed in the meantime? [[User:Codename Noreste|'''''Codename Noreste''''']] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|talk]]) 17:54, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

::I would suggest making that a separate proposal, but if there's no opposition to this (by way of replies), I think this can be administratively done. I would suggest <code>autoreview</code> be merged into <code>autopatrolled</code> and <code>reviewer</code> merged into <code>patroller</code> as you suggest. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I would support these merges. I don’t think we should erase all permissions below sysop because they are important for testing, but I do believe there are too many currently that could do with some merging. [[User:X|'''X''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:57, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:I support the first version. [[User:Sidrat al-Muntaha|Sidrat al-Muntaha]] ([[User talk:Sidrat al-Muntaha|talk]]) 19:59, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

==Notice to IAs removed for inactivity==

==Formalize [[Test Wiki:Blocks and bans]] as a guideline==

~~This~~ ~~practically~~ ~~just~~ ~~formalizes~~ ~~practice~~ ~~and~~ ~~existing~~ ~~consensus.~~ ~~However,~~ ~~compliance~~ ~~with~~ it ~~should~~ ~~not~~ be ~~mandatory~~ as ~~with~~ ~~policies,~~ ~~but~~ ~~rather~~ ~~strongly~~ ~~recommended.~~ ~~This~~ ~~contains~~ ~~some~~ ~~things~~ ~~that~~ ~~simply~~ ~~aren't~~ ~~worthy~~ of ~~policy (see~~ the ~~blocks section), but it should be some form of community recommendation~~. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:28, 21 ~~October~~ ~~2023~~ (UTC)

Hello. I have recently configured the bot to remove IA after 30 days of inactivity in areas requiring the right. Hence, 4 users right have been removed. I apologize for any confusion regarding the notice. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:02, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:Due to non-participation, I'll withdraw this within 4 days. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:37, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

:: Withdrawn. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

:That's okay. I don't think they need to be notified prior to removing the interface administrator group. It's one of the most security-sensitive user groups, and they were told the group can be removed by a steward if unused for 30 days or more. The notice is a courtesy, but I don't think it's needed, either. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:07, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

==Block appeal==

:I wish to retain my Interface Administrator flag, as I will be testing and adding a new gadget that will replace UserRightsManager. [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP ]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|''talk'']]) 18:23, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Piccadilly sent this into the staff email address today: "The issues I have had on the wiki have been making random talk pages, using bad language in some of my edits, spamming random letters, and evading my block through IP addresses. I am not sure of all the reasons I thought any of that would be okay, but I do remember thinking at times "this won't hurt anything" or "I'll undo this right afterwards so nobody will even notice". I definitely should have been thinking more maturely or at least sensibly when doing any testing on the wiki.

If I am allowed back, I will be extremely careful in all my tests on the wiki. I also promise to adhere to any conditions that might be set for my unblock, including when I can ask for administrator and/or bureaucrat."

Are there any community objections or comments about her return? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

===Proposal: Ban Piccadilly indefinitely===

I would like to propose a site ban of Piccadilly for an indefinite period of time, as the person who posted the block appeal and found CheckUser evidence. Piccadilly, you should take a break from wikis and prove you can stop socking. The fact that you used IPs to evade your block is utterly unacceptable, as you know the consequences of block evasion and sockpuppetry. You also seem to lack the ability to stop yourself, which is [[WP:WP:CIR|required]] if you want to be here, and you lacking it has caused severe disruption. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

*{{support}} as such behavior is really unacceptable. [[User:64andtim|64andtim]] ([[User talk:64andtim|talk]]) 08:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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+==Proposal: Abolish the non-steward suppressor right==
-==Addition of interface admin protection level==
+{{Discussion top|There is unanimous and clear consensus to abolish the non-steward suppressor (NSS) role going forward. While the original proposal called for immediate removal, Drummingman's suggestion—to allow the current NSS, namely [[User:X|X]], to retain their rights—received clear support. As such, X will retain their rights until they either resign or are appointed as a steward. No new NSS appointments will be made. This proposal is therefore closed as successful, with Drummingman's amendment adopted. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)}}
-{{discussion top|{{not done}}. Requester block and no consensus achieved. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:25, 16 October 2023 (UTC)}}
-I am proposing that interface administrator protection is added to help protect sensitive interface pages, i.e the sidebar and sitenotice pages, and also for protecting highly used templates. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 06:47, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
-*{{Oppose}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
-*:@[[User:X|X]] With what rationale? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 12:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
+This was already partly discussed in the Test Wiki Discord server, and I'm ultimately bringing it up here as a proposal for the community to comment on.
-:*{{Oppose|Weak Oppose}} I don't see why bureaucrat/steward protection isn't enough, particularly for the sidebar.[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
-*{{Oppose|Weak oppose}} Per Justarandomamerican. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
-{{Discussion bottom}}
+Simply, I'd like to propose abolishing [[Test Wiki:Suppressors|non-steward suppressors]] on this wiki. We currently have two such users, me being one of them, but ultimately at this time, there is really not much need. There are mainly two factors to this, which I will be listing here.
-==Block review of Piccadilly==
+#The amount of suppressions, and especially suppression requests, are already low to this date. Except for two suppressions this month (one performed by me and the other by a steward), the last 50 suppressions date back to July last year, most of which were either reverted, performed as tests or performed for old edits/log entries.
+#The community is too small, and not large enough to justify having independent suppressors or checkusers. On a wiki as small as this one, it is likely best to center the suppression task to the stewards, both since they already are experienced with CU/OS and personal information, and considering that they have already been the ones mainly handling suppressions on this wiki either way. This would also be a benefit for the security aspects as well, even if compromises are indeed rare here.
+Potentially, the community could consider to instead elect new stewards with the inactivity of Dmehus and decreased activity of Justa and MacFan, but in the current state, there isn't really a need nor a community large enough to justify having NSS at this time, and I therefore propose to instead center this task to the stewards. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 13:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
-I'd like to determine whether consensus believes that Piccadilly creating a blank talk page for a test page is worthy of a 3 month block from talk namespaces. In my opinion a block from talk namespaces is unneeded but instead a final warning, and a filter to warn upon creation of talk pages with a size under 256 bytes (a signature and a few words). For the record, this wiki is a test wiki, not the English Wikipedia, meaning people can test, and they aren't random talk pages, they are talk pages of test pages. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 11:16, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
+*{{support}} - as proposer. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 13:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
-:Or possibly limit the creation to exclude certain words (I.e hello, hi, guys), also, blocking at the request of a steward is mad, as the stewards can block for themselves, they are sysops too and I'd like to see their name in the block log if they authorised the block, as you don't see MacFan telling someone else to update the wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 11:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
+*:Just for the record I would also be fine with Drummingman's suggestion to let current NSS keep the rights. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 05:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
-::{{oppose}} changing the block. We’ve given Piccadilly so many changes and so many warnings. Why must we give another? I think the partial block is a good alternative to a indef full block. And there’s nothing wrong with blocking on the request of a steward because maybe they can’t get to a laptop or they’re very busy. I’ve done it before and there’s nothing wrong with it. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
-:::{{oppose}} changing the block as per [[User:X|X]]'s [[Special:Diff/28972|comment]]. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 12:46, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::{{Comment}} -- The blockage was not entirely at my request, only the change from 1 year to three months was made by Justarandomamerican at my request. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:07, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
-:::Totally reasonable that they can somehow tell you to do it but not access their computer, I don’t think that’s a very good reason. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 02:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
-I'm neutral on the block, to be honest. I'm just glad it isn't an indefinite sitewide block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 12:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
+:{{support}} <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 13:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
-:@[[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] May I ask why you tested on talk pages again after many warnings? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:02, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
+:{{support}} [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:00, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
-::I'm not really sure to be honest. I can say that I wasn't thinking about possible consequences of my actions, which I know isn't an excuse. I think I need to make more of an effort to slow down and think about doing things rather than just rush into them like I tend to do. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 13:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
+:{{support}} -[[User:C1K98V|<b style="color:#FF0000">''C1K98V''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]])</sup> 02:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
-===Alternate proposal: Prevent creation of talk pages but allow editing===
-I have an alternative proposal, to use an edit filter to prevent creation of talk pages for the remainder of the block, but allow editing. Any tampering with the filter will result in a desysop and 6 month block from all namespaces. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 12:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
+:{{support}} - However, my opinion is that the current two NSSs may retain their rights until they become stewards or resign, and that no new NSSs will be appointed. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
+:{{support}} Per Drummingman [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
+:{{support}} Drummingman’s alteration to the proposal. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:08, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
+{{discussion bottom}}
+==Nomination of [[User:EPIC]] for Stewardship==
+{{Discussion top|'''There is a clear, unanimous consensus to promote EPIC to steward. On behalf of the steward-team, congratulations.''' [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)}}
+As with the NSS removal, this was already partly discussed in the Test Wiki Discord server and I would like to officially create this nomination here on the community portal. I am hereby nominating [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] for a stewardship here on Test Wiki. I believe that they have shown extreme dedication to all the hats they hold both on Test Wiki and other, notable wikis and that they would be a perfect fit to help oversee the administration of Test Wiki, alongside with the other 3 stewards. As many of you may know, EPIC is also a steward on Wikimedia which I find to be a great achievement, further improving his experience. Please let me know if you have any other questions in the discussion below. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
-:{{Neutral}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
+:I stated it in the Discord server as well so I will partly repeat that here; I'm willing to serve if the community and current stewards are in favor of it, since I could bring some further useful experience and extra help especially now that Dmehus is not currently active and two of the other stewards have decreased activity. One of the stewards have expressed their endorsement beforehand, so I'm ultimately accepting. I shouldn't have a big issue with keeping up my activity either, though I'll otherwise resign if I end up not meeting my expected activity levels.
+:Noting for transparency that I'm currently a steward for the Wikimedia projects as well as a sysop on the Swedish Wikipedia and Meta (and a CheckUser on the latter). [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:30, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
+===Support===
-:{{Support}} as the least restrictive method of preventing disruption at the moment. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:43, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
+#{{Support}} as nominator. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 08:13, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
+#{{support|strong}} Irrespective of the NSS removal proposal, EPIC is a clearly suitable candidate, and will definitely help this wiki. Highly trustworthy. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 08:16, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
+#{{s}} sure, good luck! [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
+#{{s}} Good luck! [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{s}} Keep up the good work. -[[User:C1K98V|<b style="color:#FF0000">''C1K98V''</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:C1K98V|💬]] [[Special:Contribs/C1K98V|✒️]] [[Special:ListFiles/C1K98V|📂]])</sup> 02:35, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{s}} [[User:Bosco|Bosco]] ([[User talk:Bosco|talk]]) 08:51, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{support}} [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{support|strong}} Very trusted user and Steward on 2 wikifarms [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
+===Abstain===
-:{{Support}} [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 12:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
-:{{Neutral}}. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
-:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 08:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
-:I believe this can be implemented now, and anyone may remove the block as soon as it is implemented. If they edit existing talk pages to test editing functions, the block may be reinstated by any Bureaucrat. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:19, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
-::Implementing... could take a while as I haven't used filters like this in a while. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 04:04, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
-:::Should be done, give me a bit of time to test it and I'll be back with a full result. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 04:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::{{done}} [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 04:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
+===Oppose===
-==Proposal: Non steward CheckUser & Oversight/Suppressors==
+{{discussion bottom}}
-{{Discussion top|Clear community opposition and proposer blocked. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)}}
-Hello, I am proposing non-steward check user and oversight/suppressors, whilst there isn't an active need for extra check users or suppressors as of now, in my opinion, if there are enough people able to perform the role, then they should be in the role as it's always better to have more people when you don't need them but to have none when you need them. Because the two roles are quite high trust, I am proposing the following requirements for each role.
+==IA changes==
-Checkuser:
+Hello.
+In response to my [[Test Wiki:Request for permissions#BZPN|request]] for Interface Administrator rights, I have been asked (by @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]) to provide a list of at least three planned changes for review by other Interface Administrators. Below are the changes I intend to implement:
-#Basic understanding of IP addresses and ranges and CIDR syntax.
+#In MediaWiki:Gadget-UserInfo.js, I plan to fix the electionadmin display so that it includes a link to [[TW:EADMIN]]. Additionally, the links in the script currently redirect to the title in the user's language instead of the correct translation of the page. I will fix this issue.
-#Pass a vote on the community portal with either 80% support, or 70-80% at a steward's discretion.
+#The Twinkle gadget does not function at all. I intend to replace its content to load via mw.loader.load.
-#Have a good understanding of account security.
+#I would like to convert my script for finding unused pages and files into a gadget.
-#Performing unnecessary or abusive checks will result in having your access revoked.
+#I plan to update my MassRollback gadget to a newer version.
+#Similar to Twinkle, I would also like to replace the content of MediaWiki:Gadget-RedWarn.js to load via mw.loader.load, as it does not currently work properly.
+I welcome any feedback or additional suggestions from the community. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 19:57, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
-Suppressor:
+:LGTM. Per my comments on Discord, I don’t have any concerns regarding your knowledge or skill with IA tools, simply curious why you were socking on Miraheze. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:25, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
-#Basic understanding of suppression criteria.
+:I believe stewards should grant you IA on a temporary basis at least. You clearly understand what you're doing, though the socking on Miraheze is a red flag. However, I don't think you'll cause immediate disruption to this project. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 01:54, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
-#Pass a vote on the community portal with either 80% support, or 70-80% at a steward's discretion.
+::That's (partially) right. Stewards ''may'' grant the interface administrator permission to trusted users with a defined ''need''; however, it isn't limited to temporary grants. Note, though, that the permission may be removed if inactive after 30 days (i.e., no usage in MediaWiki CSS/JS space). It's limited to granting by stewards for security reasons. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:37, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
-#Have a good understanding of account security.
+:{{interface administrator granted}} [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
+::Thank you :). I'll get to work soon. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 13:56, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
+==UserRightsManager==
-I believe that this is also a way for users to gain additional trust.
+Hello. Is it just me that the UserRightsManager gadget doesn't work (only the button is displayed, but doesn't respond to clicking), or do other users have this problem too? I'd like to know if it's a problem with the gadget or maybe it's something on my end. Best regards, [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 18:08, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
-Being that the implementation of this could result in a lack of transparency with the community, I think that 2 additional groups should be added. These groups may not be added immediately,
+:It directs to [[Special:UserRights]]. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 13:25, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
+==Proposals: [[Newsletter:Administrators' newsletter|Administrators' newsletter]] and Newsletter extension==
-<code>non-steward-suppressor</code>Non-steward suppressor
+I looked through the current subscribers to the [[Newsletter:Administrators'_newsletter|Administrators' newsletter]], and I don't see evidence of subscribers opting in (versus being subscribed involuntarily).
-With the following rights:
+Test Wiki is, by its name and definition, a place to test gadgets, scripts, and permission sets in MediaWiki software. As such, Administrators and Bureaucrats on Test Wiki are primarily testing permissions, so there will be frequent changes to users with the permission (it changes daily, in most cases). As a result of this, the utility of such a newsletter is very low, versus, say, a content wiki like English Wikipedia.
-<code>unblockable</code>
+At the same time, the Newsletter extension is a useful extension, particularly for sending out important notices like inactivity notices, or perhaps notices of community discussions (stewards should primarily handle the latter; any bureaucrat can handle the former).
-Add groups to own account: Suppressor
+To ensure users do not become overwhelmed with e-mail notices, I therefore propose the following:
-Remove groups from own account: Suppressor
+-- [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:59, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
+===Proposal 1: [[Newsletter:Administrators' newsletter|Administrators' newsletter]] is made opt-in===
+The [[Newsletter:Administrators' newsletter|Administrators' newsletter]] is made opt-in and the subscriber list reset to 0 upon this proposal being closed as adopted. Before resetting the subscriber list to 0, the closing steward shall send one administrative newsletter instructing current subscribers they need to re-add their names to the newsletter's subscriber list if they wish to continue receiving the newsletters.
+<!--- PLEASE ADD YOUR VOTE, COMMENTS, AND SIGNATURE LIKE THE BELOW SAMPLE. THANKS! --->
-<code>non-steward-checkuser</code> Non-steward CheckUser
+<!--- * {{Support}} <Your comments here.> --->
+*{{Support}} as proposer. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
+*{{support}}. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:51, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
+*{{support}} as proposer. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 20:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
+===Proposal 2: Newsletters extension should be removed===
-With the following rights:
+The Newsletters extension should be removed.
+NOTE: The recommendation is to '''oppose''', to provide a reverse affirmation of support to its installation. In other words, it's a vote of confidence. A majority of support with valid arguments would be a vote of non-confidence and would result in its removal.
-<code>unblockable</code>
+<!--- PLEASE ADD YOUR VOTE, COMMENTS, AND SIGNATURE LIKE THE BELOW SAMPLE. THANKS! --->
-<code>checkuser-log</code>
+<!--- * {{Oppose}} <Your comments here.> --->
+*{{Oppose}} ratification of support as proposer. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
+*This is entirely unnecessary. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:49, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
+*{{oppose}} as no apparent reason to. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 20:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
+===Proposal 3: Mandatory newsletters===
-Add groups to own account: Check user
+The following newsletters are made mandatory (i.e., non-opt-in; opt-out is allowed).
+*'''Inactivity notices.''' Trusted bureaucrats and stewards may send out the notice, typically no more than once per month.
-Remove groups from own account: Check user
+*'''Notices of community discussions.''' Stewards, or any current or future steward-delegated role, may send these newsletters, typically consolidated in digest format such that there are no more than 1-2 per month.
+NOTE: This proposal is conditional upon '''Proposal 2''' failing.
-Thank you, [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
+<!--- PLEASE ADD YOUR VOTE, COMMENTS, AND SIGNATURE LIKE THE BELOW SAMPLE. THANKS! --->
-*<s>{{support}}: This is a reasonable proposal, and allows trusted community members to assist Stewards in maintaining the wiki if they don't want or need the full steward toolset. Although, if someone is trusted enough for either of these, they should have at least part of the privileges of a Steward, such as the ability to [[Test Wiki: Bureaucrats|indefinitely block in difficult cases,  being exempt from the recommendations for bureaucrats]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:52, 28 July 2023 (UTC)</s>
+<!--- * {{Support}} <Your comments here.> --->
-*{{oppose}}: Why do both sets of rights need the <code>unblockable</code> right? [[User:Dusti|Dusti]] ([[User talk:Dusti|talk]]) 14:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
+*{{Support}} as logical and sound as proposer. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
-*{{oppose}} as written, why should non-steward functionaries have the unblockable user right? If an emergency happens, a Bureaucrat should be able to block them from editing. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
+*{{oppose|Oppose-ish}}. I’m not entirely sure how doing mass messaged inactivity notices would work. It’s not like people stop editing on the same day(s) so it doesn’t really apply. I think we’ve tried this and it didn’t really work, if I remember correctly. For the community discussion notifications, I would support those if they were opt-in. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
-*{{oppose}}. Why do they need unblockable? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:21, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
+*:Technically speaking, neither is ''mandatory'', since 'opt-out' is still permitted. We wouldn't be mass-adding all current users to these two newsletters, but rather just allowing the existing members to continue, regardless of whether they had opted in or not. So, in that sense, in kind of 'is' opt-in. Hope that clarifies. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
-{{Discussion bottom}}
+*::That does clarify, thank you. I {{support}} for community discussions. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:31, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
+*{{support}} for community discussions, at least. As far as I know we don't really send out inactivity notices and rather resort to grace periods for inactive admins, in which case they already receive a notification that way. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 20:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
+*:Yeah, for clarity, on the inactivity notices, I ''wasn't'' proposing to mass add every Test Wiki user to the newsletter distribution list, but rather just allowing for users to have been added without having to explicitly subscribe. If recently active users were added to the list (i.e., those not currently blocked who were active in the last ninety (90) calendar days or so), that would also be permitted, but we wouldn't want to actively ''encourage'' that and probably should be a steward (unless they've given explicit permission on Discord, IRC, or on-wiki to be added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:37, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
+==SecurePoll permission set==
-==Please remove X's interface admin rights==
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-:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.'' {{not done}} - X has become active again, so that is no longer necessary. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:07, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
-X writes on his user page, "I don't plan to be active here."  Interface admin privileges are very strong and inactive and can be hijacked and should be removed. [[User:Chqaz|Chqaz]] ([[User talk:Chqaz|talk]]) 08:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
+Hi all:
-:I don't think that's necessary [[Special:MobileDiff/29357|anymore]]? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:53, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
-:X has told me multiple times they would like to retain their rights. Not necessary... [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:56, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
-::I for one can vouch that X would prefer to retain their rights as per an email conversation. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:57, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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+I'm glad to see we've enabled the SecurePoll extension. I'm wondering, though, to reduce the number of testing permission groups, if we might want to either:
-==Request for System Administrator: Zippybonzo==
-{{Discussion top|{{Not done}} per block. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 12:59, 6 August 2023 (UTC)}}
-Hello TestWiki.Wiki Community,
+*A. Add the <code>securepoll-create-poll</code> and <code>securepoll-edit-poll</code> user rights into either of:
-I am proposing myself for the system administrator position, to help keep the server running and configured as we would like it, as our current sysadmin isn't as active as they could be, and I think I could help supplement them. My experience consists of having a pretty good understanding of MediaWiki and some PHP, and I am pretty experienced with GitHub and SSH.
+:1. The <code>bureaucrat</code> user group (would require an additional level of trust); or,
+:2. The <code>sysop</code> user group
+*B. Merge the two permissions into the <code>interwiki-admin</code> user group, then rename the group Election and Interwiki Administrator (<code>election-interwiki-admin</code>)
+*C. Maintain the <code>election-admin</code> user group, but instead merge the <code>interwiki-admin</code> permissions into either of:
+:1. The <code>bureaucrat</code> user group (would require an additional level of trust); or,
+:2. The <code>sysop</code> user group
+*D. Something else? Elaborate.
+What are your thoughts?
-Thank you for your consideration, <br><br> [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 19:07, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
-===Questions:===
-*Im not convinced there’s a huge need for another system administrator. If elected, what would your first action be, to prove there’s a need for an action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
-::To close my open pull request on GH to add <code>checkuser-log</code> to the steward user group as per an above discussion. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 19:13, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
-===Discussion:===
-===Support===
-===Oppose===
-*{{Oppose}} -- I'm sorry to say it: To my knowledge, Zippybonzo is not (has not been) a steward or system administrator on a Wikimedia, Miraheze or other large wikifarm. On these wikis, you only become one after a thorough review and vote. To me, that is a hard requirement for a system administrator. SA has the unlimited power to shut down an entire wiki (database lock and unlock) block anyone and deny anyone user rights. Therefore, this right can only be granted to highly trusted users. At the moment, I am not convinced that Zippybonzo meets this requirement. Of course, technical competence is also very important. But I think that is secondary to the above requirement.  [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 09:59, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
-*:Just to be completely clear here, I am one of the most trustable users on this wiki, given my reputation on enwiki. Now whether you don't believe that holding trusted positions on the largest wiki in the world is 'trusted' is a different question, which I will not ask. However your definition of trusted is very specific. Based on how you think technical competence is secondary to trust, I don't believe this vote is taking into perspective both the need of a sysadmin for this wiki, and other factors. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 11:05, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
-**:{{Oppose}} -- I agree with Drummingman's thoughts and opinions. I am also opposing due to Zippybonzo's passive-aggressive response to the opposal by Drummingman. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:17, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
-*'''Strongest oppose''' Per Drummingman and Zippybonzo is blocked for sockpuppetry and abuse on 3 wikis. He has destroyed moviepedia 2 times and he can hack other accounts. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 11:06, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
-*{{oppose}} per Sav. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:02, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
+Cheers,
-===Neutral===
+<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
-{{Discussion bottom}}
+:I would support merging both interwiki-admin and SecurePoll admin to the standard bureaucrat permission set. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
-==Block review of [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]==
+::I will note that the "electionadmin" group was added, because in the upstream code, a check is hardcoded for membership in the "electionadmin" group. This was fixed in master, and has not been backported. Master requires MediaWiki 1.44+, so switching to that is not an option. I suppose we could try and cherry pick [https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-SecurePoll/commit/636e167885355010f774739862f261623af66a99#diff-c682d89300c58b325fe3999cb9b82ff980dd70b8fb6ad7f64a8afa22f7ffc8ed this commit], but unless that happens, this cannot be done for technical reasons. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 22:29, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
-{{Discussion top|Although I am involved by participating, consensus is clear here: All arguments in favor of unblocking Zippybonzo, even conditionally, have been refuted, and therefore there is ''consensus against'' unblocking Zippybonzo. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)}}
+:::Ah yes, I remember when the extension was initially installed we had that issue. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 23:06, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
-I'm not one to usually interfere with the runnings of other wiki's, however, it's come to my attention that Zippybonzo was blocked here for some schenanigans that went on last week on another wiki. I don't see a policy in place where harmless pranks can result in a block here, and I'd like to call the community's attention to the block and ask that it be lifted.
+==Piccadilly: How do we handle this situation?==
-While it really shouldn't have happened, generally speaking I don't see off wiki conduct (like a prank) needing something as significant as an indefinite block labelled as a Steward action.
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+:''The following discussion is closed. <span style="color:var(--color-error, red)">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.'' ''A summary of the conclusions reached follows.''
+::Despite participating in this discussion, there is consensus against unblocking Piccadilly at this time, and this has been withdrawn by Justarandomamerican. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 18:35, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
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+<s>Hello. Yesterday, an email was sent to staff@testwiki.wiki. It was Piccadilly, asking for their talk page to be unprotected for an appeal. The community has imposed a site ban on Piccadilly, which requires any appeal to be directed to the community, along with a 1 year appeal timeframe. I would like to propose something new: a mentorship. Piccadilly can attend a mentorship for 1 month, with no violations of our rules (otherwise the site ban is reinstated and the appeal timeframe is reset) provided by a steward or other trusted community member. I would also like to propose lifting the ban for 2 months to allow this mentorship process to take place. Any concerns? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)</s> withdrawn on 12:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
+:While I appreciate the community consultation before moving forward, I have to say I have my concerns and doubts about the efficacy of this “mentorship.” I applaud the efforts of the stewards, but given the extensive history of the user in question, I find it hard to believe that change will ever occur. Given that the community already unanimously and overwhelmingly voted to not allow any appeals until a year as passed, I suggest we continue to honor that. If a steward would like to mentor them on another project, (ex:Drummingman and WikiMedia) <small> (@[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] simply using you as an example, feel no obligation :)</small> I think that would be beneficial as we approach the one year mark to show growth. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:01, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
-The user on the other end of the prank actually threatened Zippybonzo with violence, which resulted in an [https://thetestwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=111 indefinite block] on my TestWiki along with a lock of their global account. That conduct I can certainly see resulting in an indefinite block. [[User:Dusti|Dusti]] ([[User talk:Dusti|talk]]) 14:47, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
+::What about this: the mentorship is their last chance. Completely serious. If they go through it, and then break our rules again, we ban them indefinitely. No chance for appeal for 2 years. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
-:I tend to agree with this assessment. Unless the off-wiki matter involves serious issues such as severe harassment or threats of violence, like noted above, I don't see how people's actions on one wiki should affect their standings on other wikis. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
-:I oppose. The reason for said block is clearly stated and so, his block '''should''' remain active. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:57, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
+:::I would be fine with that… but we have also had a lot of “last chances” with her. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:21, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
+::::I'm also possibly fine with that, but as I've already expressed several times, I feel like there should be some kind of wider community support for something like this. There has already been a bunch of final chances, so if this goes through this should be the actual final chance, and no further such opportunities after that. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:16, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
-:A prank requires the other party to laugh. Severely disrupting a wiki and then claiming it was a prank after the owner of said wiki repeatedly attempted to stop said disruption doesn't work. It's like playing a prank on the Wikipedia community as an admin by deleting [[Wikipedia:Barack Obama|an article on a president of the United States]] and then blocking [[Wikipedia:User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo]]. This was intentionally inflicting emotional harm on (trolling) another member of this wiki, [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]], and therefore I have no problem with the block. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:26, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
-:I simply don’t believe my actions on one wiki should be carried over to an entirely unrelated wiki. The actions were unwise, but I did not violate the policies of that wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 16:57, 7 August 2023 (UTC) <small>copied to the community portal by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]). </small>
+:::::Noting that I'm opposed to an unblock at the moment, the linked diffs are simply too recent and it's probably better at this time to just let the year pass and evaluate this at that time. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 10:21, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
-::This response is.. not good. A wiki or other community does not have to codify: "Disrupting us is prohibited." That is assumed to be the case. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:05, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
+:::::I support this mentorship, but I will not be the one to carry it out. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
+::::::I am strongly opposed to this, see [https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/209.239.104.93]. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 04:24, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
-:::Whilst that is true, there is no reason the block from an entirely unrelated wiki should be carried over to this wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:20, 7 August 2023 (UTC) - moved to the community portal by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]).
+:::::::That is indeed very concerning. I also oppose an unblock. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
-::::There is a valid reason for extending the block to this Wiki. Even though this is a Test Wiki, we must uphold responsibility and avoid any form of abuse, a concept that seems to have been misunderstood in your case. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 17:31, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
-::::It's not being carried over. You intentionally inflicted emotional distress upon [[User:Cocopuff2018|a fellow member of this wiki]], which earned you a block on this wiki to prevent further problems and deter your disruptive behavior. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:33, 7 August 2023 (UTC) <small>(edit conflict)</small>
+:::::::Oh, jeez, I withdraw my request for an unblock. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:53, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
+:Hi. I came to check in on something completely different, and thought I would give a drive-by opinion. If this appeal is early (has it been a year?), I strongly oppose an unblock. Aside from CN's diff, if they can't follow simple, objective instructions like "don't appeal until a year has passed", there is no chance they can follow <em>any</em> rules. Best, [[User:HouseBlaster|HouseBlaster]] ([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]) 06:03, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
-:::::I tend to agree with Zippybonzo on this point. I think each wiki should be a "fresh start" so to speak, where as long as a user doesn't cause any serious disruption on this wiki, they shouldn't be blocked based on off-wiki matters. If we're going by the principle that Justarandomamerican suggests, then to be honest I would probably be blocked here as well because of issues from thetestwiki.org and Wikimedia. So why is it that off-wiki matters don't count against me but they do for Zippybonzo? [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:34, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
-::::::No, because your issues do not involve trolling members of this wiki. In this case, it actually affects this wiki due to causing emotional distress to its contributors, and deserves a block. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
-===Proposal===
-I have an idea regarding this block situation. I understand that some undesireable things have happened between Cocopuff and Zippybonzo, but maybe we can unblock Zippybonzo (with a steward's agreement) on the condition that any undesireable behavior here will result in a reblock? I think that's reasonable. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
-:<s>That sounds reasonable, how about we word it like this: "Any behavior that is disruptive to this wiki, in the judgment of a Bureaucrat, shall result in an immediate indefinite <ins>site-wide</ins> reblock, account creation disabled, autoblock enabled, with other settings being at the Bureaucrat's discretion." [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)</s>
-::Yeah that sounds good to me. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:36, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
-:::I'd like clarification on what would become of Zippys sysop/IA/crat status, if this proposal was implemented. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:09, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
-::::<s>IA is already removed, and should stay as such for the foreseeable future. Crat shouldn't be allowed until a certain period of time has passed, around 6 weeks IMO, but sysop should be regranted. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:17, 7 August 2023 (UTC)</s>
-:::::I’m going to oppose this alternate proposal due to some discord messages Zippy has left me. You can email/DM me if needed. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:53, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
-::::::<s>Please can you provide me evidence of these Discord messages? You have my contact information. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:11, 8 August 2023 (UTC)</s>
-strong oppose, im sorry but i dont trust him at all. and he was just recently block I think it's still too early.   [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 14:47, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
-*Unfortunately, I must oppose at this point in time, as ZB has said privately he is tempted to abuse this wiki. The block will prevent such a thing from happening. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
-*: Echoing the sentiments of @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I stand unfortunately oppose as well. Having personally encountered the comments posted by ZB, I agree with the concerns raised. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 16:38, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
-{{Discussion bottom}}
-==Request for Stewardship: Justarandomamerican==
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-:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''
-::With no one voting against and the only neutral reservations/abstain being about a (now closed) another wiki, where otherwise no objection came from other users, there is a clear consensus to promote to steward. On behalf of the steward-team, congratulations. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
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-I nominate myself for Stewardship due to there only being 1 regularly active Steward, Drummingman. MacFan4000 is semi-active, and Dmehus? He has not been active since the 3rd of July. I've been active here for quite a bit, and it's not really a great idea to have 1 active person taking care of most Steward maintenance tasks, so I volunteer to be the second. Account Security: I have a strong password securing my account and MFA enabled.  [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
-===Questions===
-====Self-imposed FAQ====
-#When will you use the suppression toolset?
-#:I will use it in any of the following scenarios: Personally identifiable information of anyone being shared without their consent, PII of an apparent minor being shared, anything else that the public at large should not be able to view, as sysop rights are easy to obtain, that is the purpose of the wiki, and external links containing one of those three scenarios. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
-#When will you use the check user toolset?
-#:I will use it only to investigate, respond to, and/or prevent disruption such as sockpuppetry or vandalism, in accordance with the Privacy policy's abuse provision. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
-====Other Questions====
-#. What is your take on off wiki/off site behavior impacting a user account here? Let's say on another wiki, unrelated to this site. [[User:Dusti|Dusti]] ([[User talk:Dusti|talk]]) 14:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
-#:I do not feel it warrants a block or other action, unless it materially affects this wiki, such as [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:OWH|off-wiki harassment]] by a contributor to another contributor, or if, in the totality of the circumstances, it could result in disruption here. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
-===Support===
-#I'll kick this off with your first support. [[User:Dusti|Dusti]] ([[User talk:Dusti|talk]]) 01:36, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
-#Trusted user. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 07:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-#Trusted and experienced user. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 08:02, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-#Trusted user. [[User:Chqaz|Chqaz]] ([[User talk:Chqaz|talk]]) 17:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-===Oppose===
-===Neutral/abstain===
-#I’m going to be neutral here, and I feel that Justa should withdraw this and wait. A wiki that the candidate and I were stewards on was recently closed because of actions taken by the steward team. I don’t think that starting an RfS on another TestWiki days after another one was closed, partially because of our actions, is a good look or idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:57, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
-#:This has been discussed at length in private by us two and ZB, a user who is ''de facto'' banned by the community on this wiki (declined block review) due to their actions, and it was decided that the closure was wrong overall. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
-:::Yes, but that is our personal opinions, not the opinion of the site creator and operator. In his opinion, we completely ruined the wiki. Which is why the above still, regardless, stands. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:09, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
-::::He can operate his site as he wishes, including resetting the wiki even though the community thinks it was wrong, and he could even rule the wiki as an absolute dictator without consequence. There is no rational cause --> effect sequence here: I take action based on off-wiki and on-wiki repeated civility issues, that does not cause the site as a whole to be ruined. I have no other involvement in the points MTzh brought up, I believe, although I do not remember them and they can no longer be accessed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:18, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
-:::::My point is that a block you placed that, while I do believe it was correct, partially led to the reset and closure of a wiki. I just think it’s too soon. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
-===Other comments===
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 :''The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''</div>
+==Idea Lab: Deputy Stewards==
-==Proposal to merge editor and reviewer==
+{{discussion top}}
-{{Discussion top|Phab request created: See [https://phabricator.testwiki.wiki/T68 T68]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)}}
+<s>Hi there! I recently created a draft page detailing the scope of a potential new user group, and I would like you to give me feedback on the need for, and scope of [[User:Justarandomamerican/Deputy Stewards|Deputy Stewards]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)</s>, withdrawn on 02:08, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
-[[Special:ListGroupRights#editor|Rights attached to editer]] and [[Special:ListGroupRights#reviewer|Rights attached to reviewer]] are exactly the same and one is enough.--[[User:Chqaz|Chqaz]] ([[User talk:Chqaz|talk]]) 01:39, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
-:I would say that the only part of this that can be debated is which right they should be merged into. I say it should be reviewer, as the more sensible name. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:48, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
-::I agree. [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 05:51, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
-::I also agree that the editor right can just be deleted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
-:::I concur, this has my vote. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 12:52, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
-:I agree with merge. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 11:29, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
-::I also agree. [[User:TenWhile6|TenWhile6]] <small>([[User talk:TenWhile6|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[m:SWMT|SWMT]])</small> 11:32, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
-{{Discussion bottom}}
-==1 year spam blocks- Automatic, or status quo?==
-{{discussion top|{{done}}! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:51, 2 October 2023 (UTC)}}
-Currently, our spam abuse filters are set to block anon users for 6 months, and a human administrator extends it to 1 year upon confirmation of spam. Would it be better to simply have our spam abuse filters block for 1 year? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:12, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
-:{{support}} blocking for one year automatically. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:03, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
-:{{support}}--[[User:Chqaz|Chqaz]] ([[User talk:Chqaz|talk]]) 04:55, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
+:Note: This would replace the NSS and AFA roles. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
+:{{support}}, seems like a useful addition. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 01:26, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+:Seems largely unnecessary to me. It appears to be a combination of abuse filter admin and NSS, one of which is already being deprecated. The only difference that I noticed between the proposed role and stewardship is the use of the CheckUser tool. If someone is trustworthy and active enough to attain this right, they are most certainly able to simply become a steward. If the steward team is in need of additional membership/support and finds their duties too burdensome, I know multiple users that have expressed an interest if the need arose.
+:TL;DR: If the stewards need help, let’s elect more stewards not make an additional unneeded role. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:51, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+::Honestly, you make good points. However, some form of functionary step up would be a good option in my opinion (to prove trustworthiness) but what exactly would that be? Should we make crat a non-test role? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+:::In my opinion, trustworthiness can be shown in other ways. Through making thoughtful and informed comments here, consistently granting admin/crat rights according to policy, helping with inactivity removals, etc. Additionally, 95+% of users here are on other wikis. Trust can be shown through that as well. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:58, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
 {{discussion bottom}}
+==X for Stewardship==
-==Proposal: Remove the ability for IP editing==
-{{Discussion top|While there is some support, there isn't a strong consensus. Personally I would want to allow IPs to perform legitimate test edits. Since three isn't strong consensus for or against, I will call this unsuccessful. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 01:52, 26 October 2023 (UTC)}}
-I suggest removing the ability for IPs to edit all pages. The sole purpose of this wiki is to test administrator tools, which IPs cannot do. In addition, the only IPs that edit this wiki are used by an LTA for spam, which is mostly caught by an abuse filter. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:06, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
+As arguably one of the more trusted non-stewards on Test Wiki, I believe [[User:X|X]] should become a Steward. They already have the permission to suppress revisions, which is part of the more sensitive tools of the Steward toolset. I believe they are trusted enough to have the full toolset. Thank you for your time. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
-:{{support}}. [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
+:I am honored to accept this stewardship nomination.  A little bit about me: I’m a crat, NSS, and interface admin here on TestWiki. I also serve as a moderator and founder of the TestWiki Discord server. You can find me commenting on proposals here, auditing user rights, or dealing with LTAs. I also am a steward on multiple wiki farms, including WikiOasis and SkyWiki. I’m always just a ping away [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 02:17, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+===Support===
+#{{support|strong}} as nom. I nominated X for Stewardship for several reasons. 1, so we can have a team of 4 fully active stewards, 2, because they are already trusted enough for part of the toolset, and 3, they have different perspectives on things than the other Stewards. I believe a fresh dose of perspective is healthy for us, along with the fact that we could always use more Stewards (until, of course, we have 20 stewards LOL). [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:20, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{support}} per Justa.  <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 02:21, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{support}} <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 10:35, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{support}} Would make a wonderful steward! [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 14:17, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{support}} [[User:BZPN|BZPN]] ([[User talk:BZPN|talk]]) 17:39, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{support|strong}} yet another well experienced user who deserves to become a steward here at Test Wiki. Supporting per justa. [[User:VancityRothaug|'''<span style="background:#000000;color:#ffffff;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">VancityRothaug</span>''']] ([[User talk:VancityRothaug|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/VancityRothaug|contribs]]) 19:09, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+#{{support}}. [[User:Sidrat al-Muntaha|Sidrat al-Muntaha]] ([[User talk:Sidrat al-Muntaha|talk]]) 19:21, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
+===Abstain===
-:{{support}}--[[User:Chqaz|Chqaz]] ([[User talk:Chqaz|talk]]) 04:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
+===Oppose===
-:{{support}} [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 07:41, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
-:I created [https://phabricator.testwiki.wiki/T69 T69]--[[User:Chqaz|Chqaz]] ([[User talk:Chqaz|talk]]) 12:31, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
-:<s>'''Neutral, leaning oppose'''</s>{{oppose}}. Weighing the pros and cons gives me a <s> neutral </s> <ins> opposing </ins> stance. This would prevent some abuse, but multiple accounts can easily be created to continue that abuse. In addition, this may have a deterrent effect on good faith users. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
-::Reconsidered, opposing, I think this is overall negative, as it deters good faith users by making them think they are not welcome to test, and prevents abuse only from the laziest LTAs. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:48, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
-:{{oppose}} -- I think it's important that people who want to test feel welcome, even if they would rather not create an account yet. Further per Justarandomamerican. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
-{{Discussion bottom}}
-==Category:Advanced users==
+===Comments===
-Hello,
+#Should this nomination be closed as successful, as appears likely, this is more of a note to [[Test Wiki:System administrators|system administrators]] that the non-steward suppressor user group [[rfc:2119|must]] then be deleted in accordance with this [[Test Wiki:Community portal#Proposal: Abolish the non-steward suppressor right|this recently passed community proposal]] given that X's non-steward suppressor user group will be swapped for the steward user group on closing. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
-I've observed that {{Ping|Username}} recently created this page and combined other sysop groups into it without prior discussion on the Community Portal. Both {{Ping|Justarandomamerican}} and I have since reverted these edits. Consequently, I'd like to open a discussion regarding the fate of this page—whether it should be retained or deleted.
-Warm regards, [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 13:57, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
+==Steward Confirmation/Recall process==
-:I don't really see a problem with it. Doesn't seem to be a problematic category, but this function is already done by [[:Category:Test Wiki administrators|Category:Administrators]] and [[:Category:Test Wiki bureaucrats|Category:Bureaucrats]], and similar, so it's somewhat redundant. [[User:EggRoll97|EggRoll97]] ([[User talk:EggRoll97|talk]]) 19:12, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
-:I'd say it should be retained, and all the permissions categories should be put into it, to create a category tree. Although I can comprehend what Username was thinking, in that there should be 1 category, the better way to do that is to categorize all the advanced user categories into the advanced users category. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:44, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
-::I concur, so keep it as it currently is? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 07:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
-:::Yes. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:02, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
+Hello. This has been proposed in the past, but was withdrawn by the proposer. This is an RFC with multiple options. Should stewards:
-==Apologies==
+A: Be subject to community recall upon petition by 2 stewards or 5 bureaucrats,
+B: Be subject to community recall upon petition by 1 steward or 5 bureaucrats,
+C: not be subject to community recall or confirmation,
+D: Be subject to regular confirmation every 3 months?
+Options A and B would require community consensus in favor of recall, and option D would require community consensus to keep the steward. This proposal would not affect system administrators. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+:This is very much needed! Btw,for anyone wondering, the past proposal : [[Test_Wiki:Community_portal/Archive_11#Proposal_2]] [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:44, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
-I deeply regret the oversight that resulted in some of you having your rights removed unfairly. In my sleep-deprived state, I misread "3 months" as "1 month." I want to offer my sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.
+:I support Option A.
+:*Option D too frequent to be practical.
+:*Option C which removes all forms of community recall or confirmation, lacks accountability.
+:*Option B would allow a single steward to initiate a recall, which could lead to abuse, personal disputes being escalated unnecessarily, and unnecessary use of the community's time.
+:[[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:48, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+::I'd also support option A per above, or keep the system we have today (no confirmations but the possibility of a new voting if and when needed). [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 15:51, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+:A > B > D, per above. Oppose C. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:52, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+:*If I may make a suggestion, it seems that option A is the best proposal, as it requires the consent of multiple users before a removal/recall procedure is initiated. I would say that option D seems to have the potential to lead to a number of disagreements and disputes. I understand that a similar confirmation vote was held on nlwiki in the past. (I was not yet a user on Wikimedia at the time.) I believe it was abolished there, partly because of the many disputes that arose from it. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:01, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+:I only support option A. I would expound, but my thoughts are largely echoed by everyone else above. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 16:24, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
+:I believe [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] makes a good point in saying we should keep the current system with the possibility of a new voting if and when needed. What would that look like? I would say it might look like having an annual Steward re-confirmation vote, requiring Stewards to submit to a reconfirmation vote every year. Being subject to a reconfirmation vote at least once every year would, therefore, ensure the community is provided an opportunity to express their (dis)satisfaction level with current stewards every year. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:41, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+::For a wiki and userbase as small as TestWiki, I’m not sure a yearly reconfirmation is necessary. I prefer proposal A to this. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:54, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+==Proposal for a rights-bot==
-I have taken immediate action to rectify this mistake. All actions against you have been reverted, and your rights have been reinstated. While I won't mention names, I trust that those affected will know who they are.
+If you're on the Test Wiki's Discord server, you may already be aware of this update. For those who are not, I recently configured [[User:APBOT|APBOT]] to handle the removal of rights from inactive users, publish inactivity warnings, and update the [[Activity]] page. However, since I am not a steward, APBOT cannot directly remove the interface administrator flag. To address this, I shared the updated code with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justa]], who is currently running the bot through his account via a cron job on a server. I propose that a dedicated bot account named "Inactivity bot" be created and placed in the <code>rights-bot</code> group. This group should be granted the following rights:
-Once again, I apologize for any frustration or confusion this may have caused. Thank you for your understanding.
+*<s><code>userrights</code> – for removing rights from inactive users </s>
-Warm regards, [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:26, 14 October 2023 (UTC).
+*<code>edit</code> – to edit user talk pages and the Activity report
+*<code>createpage</code> – to create the Activity page if it does not exist (in case someone deletes it)
+*<code>createtalk</code> - to create talk pages of users, incase it doesn't exist
+*<code>read</code> – basic read access to pages
+*<code>noratelimit</code> – to prevent hitting API rate limits
+*<code>bot</code> - to hide the bot's edits from recent changes
+Additionally, the bot should only be allowed to remove rights from the following user groups:
-==Non-steward oversighters/checkusers - alternate proposal==
+*<code>sysop</code>
-I propose allowing non-stewards to access checkuser/oversight tools, similar to the above proposal, but without the unblockable right. Being that the implementation of this could result in a lack of transparency with the community, I think that 2 additional groups should be added.
+*<code>bureaucrat</code>
+*<code>interface-admin</code>
+*<code>abusefilter-admin</code>
+[[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:22, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
+:userrights grants the permission to grant and revoke all user rights. If the bot should be restricted to specific groups, a $wgRemoveGroups would be better. I would also like to propose that it removes abuse filter administrator. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:26, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
-non-steward-suppressor:
+::Oh yes - I forgot that it allows you to grant and revoke all user rights.... Also I am completely fine with removal of AFA since it also requires 3 months of inactivity [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:29, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
+:If Interface Administrator is included among the groups to remove, then the bot '''must''' be run ''only'' by a current steward, as that group is solely administered by Stewards for technical reasons. As well, in order to be considered ''active'' as an Interface Administrator, the Interface Administrator '''must''' have made a CSS or JS edit in MediaWiki namespace or an CSS/JS edit in another user's userspace, as all other MediaWiki namespace edits require only sysop permission. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:34, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+::The bot is being run by Justa. And I can configure it to check if the IA made changes in mw namespace, or made changes to css/js. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:41, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+::I'm not sure why it needs to be administered by a steward. The bot only has permission to remove the group, not assign it. As for the technical reasons, I believe the concern was about the potential damage an interface admin could cause — but in this case, the bot doesn’t assign the group; it only has the right to remove it. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:44, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+:::If Justarandomamerican is running the bot, then I have no concerns with this proposal, though would note Inactivity Policy doesn't apply to <code>chatmod</code> and <code>reviewer</code>, so not sure why this would be removing those groups.
+:::As for why it needs to be a steward, yes, I get that this bot would only be ''removing'' the permission, but the administration of the Interface Administrator user group isn't subject to community decision-making. It's strictly a steward-administered user group. I suppose stewards could delegate a non-steward to run the bot on a case-by-case basis, sure, but that would be stewards deciding to do it. It isn't something the community is able to decide. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:50, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+::::I’ve updated the list, and I’ll update the code as well at the earliest. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:54, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+:::::Okay, sounds good, thanks! :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:02, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+:Can this rightsbot be run on [[User:Justarandomamerican (BOT)|Justarandomamerican (BOT)]] instead? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:54, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+::That sounds fine, but it may even be worth creating a new account with a specified username about the bots purpose, like “Inactivity Bot” or “Rights Bot”. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:59, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+:::It might, and that was the original option, and I think that would be fine too. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:11, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+==Resignation==
-With the following rights: suppression-log
+Hi all:
-Add groups to own account: Suppressor
+I've been too busy with work, which has led to my limited capacity as a steward. As well, when I ''do'' return, there is an increased level of education I have to do to inform myself as to recent developments, both technical and community, within Test Wiki.
-Remove groups from own account: Suppressor
+So, I've decided to turn in my advanced bits. Should I have capacity with more regularity and consistency to return as a steward, I will do so then by seeking election.
+Thanks,
-non-steward-checkuser:
+<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:20, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+:Thank you for your service! [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 17:00, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
-With the following rights:
+:Even with less activity, your insights were always very great. I wish you all the very best in real life. We will miss you! [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+::Thank you for all you have done for Test Wiki. :) Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 17:08, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+:Thank you for your service! Hope to see you potentially return to activity. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 17:07, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+:Thank you for your service. I hope to see you soon.  [[User:Sidrat al-Muntaha|Sidrat al-Muntaha]] ([[User talk:Sidrat al-Muntaha|talk]]) 19:56, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+==Proposal to exempt <code>autopatrolled</code> from [[Test Wiki:Inactivity|inactivity policy]]==
-checkuser-log
+I'd like to recommend that we exempt the <code>autopatrolled</code> from [[Test Wiki:Inactivity|inactivity policy]]. The permission is ''not'' an advanced permission nor does it geant permissions with security implications warranting an removal where a user is inactive. Its only utility is to reduce the need to patrol revisions of users who are not autopatrolled. Test Wiki is not a content wiki; therefore, there is no need to have users regularly patrolling revisions.
-Add groups to own account: Check user
+As an alternative proposal, I would suggest adding the <code>autopatrol</code> user right to the <code>autoconfirmed</code> user group.
-Remove groups from own account: Check user
+Cheers,
-These users can be appointed by either:
+<br />
-) Community consensus, closed by a steward
+:{{Support}} both the main and alternative proposals. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:26, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
-) Steward consensus, at least 2 stewards support giving the right
+:{{support}} alternative. Reduces unnecessary work on Stewards, and makes the groups config simpler. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 16:29, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
-A user may not hold both suppressor and checkuser rights, unless they apply for steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:13, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
+:{{support}} Agreed [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:02, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
-*{{support}}: No inherent problems with this, although NSSs should have <code>suppressionlog</code> as Stewards do without the suppressor flag. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:47, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
+:This proposal is not necessary, given that the IP already only applies to admins, crats, AFAs, stewards, and system administrators. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:12, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
-*:{{done|Amended}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:15, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
+::Well, I have seen users in past remove autopatrolled and citing inactivity as a reason [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:13, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
-*::'''Partially supporting'''. With suppression, I have no problem granting it to non-stewards as well. I therefore support that part.  Granting a checkusser to non-stewards is not a good idea in my opinion. That right is so sensitive with privacy that I prefer to keep that with the stewards and since we have 4 stewards of which 2 are active and 1 semi-active, I see no reason to grant it to non-stewards as well. And otherwise, steward elections can always be held. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
+:::For example [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=43495 here] and [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=43487 here] [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:15, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
-*:::I don't think there's a serious actual privacy issue, although I can see your point that someone with non steward checkuser access would be practically on the same level of trust as Stewards. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:22, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
+::Also this change will directly affect [[Test_Wiki:Community_portal#Proposal_for_a_rights-bot]] [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:16, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+:::Per Justarandomamerican's comment above, we can, therefore, remove <code>autopatrolled</code> from the above proposal you mention, but I do agree with you that bureaucrats removing non-sysop user groups has definitely occurred many times.
+:::We actually should remove the <code>chatmod</code> and <code>reviewer</code> user groups from the above proposal for that reason, too. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:37, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+::That's good, then, Justarandomamerican, but like [[User:TheAstorPastor|The AP]], I have also observed similar non-sysop user group removals by bureaucrats in the past. If nothing else, this proposal seeks to codify or clarify inconsistent past practices. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:29, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+:::In that case, I would {{support}} the alternative proposal. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:39, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+:I have a few suggestions: we should merge the autoreview user group to the autopatrolled user group, and merge the reviewer user group with the patroller user group. Why do we need two separate groups that only have their edits marked as patrolled or reviewed in the meantime? <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#A1000E">talk</span>]])</span> 17:54, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+::I would suggest making that a separate proposal, but if there's no opposition to this (by way of replies), I think this can be administratively done. I would suggest <code>autoreview</code> be merged into <code>autopatrolled</code> and <code>reviewer</code> merged into <code>patroller</code> as you suggest. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+:::I would support these merges. I don’t think we should erase all permissions below sysop because they are important for testing, but I do believe there are too many currently that could do with some merging. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#0F69B3;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 00:57, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+:I support the first version. [[User:Sidrat al-Muntaha|Sidrat al-Muntaha]] ([[User talk:Sidrat al-Muntaha|talk]]) 19:59, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
+==Notice to IAs removed for inactivity==
-==Formalize [[Test Wiki:Blocks and bans]] as a guideline==
-This practically just formalizes practice and existing consensus. However, compliance with it should not be mandatory as with policies, but rather strongly recommended. This contains some things that simply aren't worthy of policy (see the blocks section), but it should be some form of community recommendation. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:28, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
+Hello. I have recently configured the bot to remove IA after 30 days of inactivity in areas requiring the right. Hence, 4 users right have been removed. I apologize for any confusion regarding the notice. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:02, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
-:Due to non-participation, I'll withdraw this within 4 days. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:37, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
-:: Withdrawn. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
+:That's okay. I don't think they need to be notified prior to removing the interface administrator group. It's one of the most security-sensitive user groups, and they were told the group can be removed by a steward if unused for 30 days or more. The notice is a courtesy, but I don't think it's needed, either. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:07, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
-==Block appeal==
+:I wish to retain my Interface Administrator flag, as I will be testing and adding a new gadget that will replace UserRightsManager. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 18:23, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
-Piccadilly sent this into the staff email address today: "The issues I have had on the wiki have been making random talk pages, using bad language in some of my edits, spamming random letters, and evading my block through IP addresses. I am not sure of all the reasons I thought any of that would be okay, but I do remember thinking at times "this won't hurt anything" or "I'll undo this right afterwards so nobody will even notice". I definitely should have been thinking more maturely or at least sensibly when doing any testing on the wiki.
-If I am allowed back, I will be extremely careful in all my tests on the wiki. I also promise to adhere to any conditions that might be set for my unblock, including when I can ask for administrator and/or bureaucrat."
-Are there any community objections or comments about her return? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
-===Proposal: Ban Piccadilly indefinitely===
-I would like to propose a site ban of Piccadilly for an indefinite period of time, as the person who posted the block appeal and found CheckUser evidence. Piccadilly, you should take a break from wikis and prove you can stop socking. The fact that you used IPs to evade your block is utterly unacceptable, as you know the consequences of block evasion and sockpuppetry. You also seem to lack the ability to stop yourself, which is [[WP:WP:CIR|required]] if you want to be here, and you lacking it has caused severe disruption. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
-*{{support}} as such behavior is really unacceptable. [[User:64andtim|64andtim]] ([[User talk:64andtim|talk]]) 08:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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