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So,it’s no sending the mail to my email adress.Help.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 16:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
So,it’s no sending the mail to my email adress.Help.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 16:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|MacFan4000}} I also noticed the feed of recent activity on the homepage wasn't working, so multiple issues seem to be occurring. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|MacFan4000}} I also noticed the feed of recent activity on the homepage wasn't working, so multiple issues seem to be occurring. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
::It's working again! [[User:Username|Jody]] ([[User talk: Username|talk]]) 02:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
::It's working again! [[User:Renamed user 159304387|Jody]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 159304387|talk]]) 02:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


==Request for NSS: Aviram7==
==Request for NSS: Aviram7==
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:I am not a steward but I propose to grant the status for one week like my admin interface status.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 15:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
:I am not a steward but I propose to grant the status for one week like my admin interface status.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 15:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
:{{oppose}} Even though there is a need for a NSS (EPIC isn't really active), I think you are relatively new to the Test Wiki and don't hold advanced positions like Sysop or Crat at other wikis (wikis that are not test wikis). [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 16:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
:{{oppose}} Even though there is a need for a NSS (EPIC isn't really active), I think you are relatively new to the Test Wiki and don't hold advanced positions like Sysop or Crat at other wikis (wikis that are not test wikis). [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 16:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
:{{oppose}} Per Harvici and LisafBia. [[User:Username|Jody]] ([[User talk: Username|talk]]) 02:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
:{{oppose}} Per Harvici and LisafBia. [[User:Renamed user 159304387|Jody]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 159304387|talk]]) 02:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
::{{Neutral}}. Per Harvici and LisafBia. I know Aviram7 is a trusted and active user, but I think we've enough NSS. [[User:Gepard|<span style="color:grey;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Wüstenspringmaus</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Gepard|''talk'']]</sub> 06:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
::{{Neutral}}. Per Harvici and LisafBia. I know Aviram7 is a trusted and active user, but I think we've enough NSS. [[User:Gepard|<span style="color:grey;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Wüstenspringmaus</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Gepard|''talk'']]</sub> 06:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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===Oppose===
===Oppose===
*{{oppose}} Honestly, this extension should NOT be implemented. To all of the users who will register when this bot is in operation will have their talk pages created automatically by this extension's bot with the standard <code><nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki></code> template and signature. Who knows who the bot welcomes and what those users' intentions will be? Most of those users will not deserve a welcome on their talk pages because they'll be users who will never make a single contribution here, so what's the point in welcoming users like them? This includes the future spam-bots and vandals of course. I view what the bot will do as spam and excessive clogging to the <code>User talk:</code> namespace. I prefer that we, this time, stick to welcoming new users on our own, to the ones who'll register and actually make their first constructive edits, or other ways from them that show their deserving of these welcomes. [[User:Username|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk: Username|talk]]) 08:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{oppose}} Honestly, this extension should NOT be implemented. To all of the users who will register when this bot is in operation will have their talk pages created automatically by this extension's bot with the standard <code><nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki></code> template and signature. Who knows who the bot welcomes and what those users' intentions will be? Most of those users will not deserve a welcome on their talk pages because they'll be users who will never make a single contribution here, so what's the point in welcoming users like them? This includes the future spam-bots and vandals of course. I view what the bot will do as spam and excessive clogging to the <code>User talk:</code> namespace. I prefer that we, this time, stick to welcoming new users on our own, to the ones who'll register and actually make their first constructive edits, or other ways from them that show their deserving of these welcomes. [[User:Renamed user 159304387|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 159304387|talk]]) 08:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
*:I would disagree. This Wiki is small and there are very little new users (only 13 accounts were registered last month). Even if certain users use their accounts for malicious purposes, they are easily blockable because, remember, almost everyone is an admin here. And if the extension does cause problems, it can be easily disabled. <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 11:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
*:I would disagree. This Wiki is small and there are very little new users (only 13 accounts were registered last month). Even if certain users use their accounts for malicious purposes, they are easily blockable because, remember, almost everyone is an admin here. And if the extension does cause problems, it can be easily disabled. <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 11:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
*::Furthermore, welcoming people and giving them quick links to request rights is helpful to new users that aren’t familiar with the layout of the wiki. There isn’t always someone online that will welcome them. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
*::Furthermore, welcoming people and giving them quick links to request rights is helpful to new users that aren’t familiar with the layout of the wiki. There isn’t always someone online that will welcome them. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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*::That's for stewards to decide [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
*::That's for stewards to decide [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::Maybe so. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 22:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::Maybe so. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 22:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{support}} If I recall correctly, this user has not done anything wrong recently, in the sense of violating policies. However, pretty much of what X said is true. But me personally, I don't have any problems with giving this user bureaucrat rights, but I'd also like to see them address the problems X has stated from the oppose and neutral sections. [[User:Username|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk: Username|talk]]) 08:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{support}} If I recall correctly, this user has not done anything wrong recently, in the sense of violating policies. However, pretty much of what X said is true. But me personally, I don't have any problems with giving this user bureaucrat rights, but I'd also like to see them address the problems X has stated from the oppose and neutral sections. [[User:Renamed user 159304387|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 159304387|talk]]) 08:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
*:Are you aware of the problems caused by the requester and still give your support? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 20:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
*:Are you aware of the problems caused by the requester and still give your support? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 20:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


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===Neutral/Abstain===
===Neutral/Abstain===
*{{neutral}} Per X. [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{neutral}} Per X. [[User:Renamed user 37457|Username]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 37457|talk]]) 23:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
*:Please note that this is a vote from a non-sysop. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 01:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
*:Please note that this is a vote from a non-sysop. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 01:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
*::This, yet again, shows a lack of understanding of our policies. Non-sysops are permitted to voice their opinion in community discussions and their user rights hold no weight on their voting ability. Also, username is the alternative account of @[[User:Username|Jody]], a crat. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
*::This, yet again, shows a lack of understanding of our policies. Non-sysops are permitted to voice their opinion in community discussions and their user rights hold no weight on their voting ability. Also, username is the alternative account of @[[User:Renamed user 159304387|Jody]], a crat. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::I got it! OK. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 02:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::I got it! OK. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 02:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)


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==Welcoming users==
==Welcoming users==
We should welcome a newly-registered user when they make their first edit. Not before, but after. [[User:Username|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
We should welcome a newly-registered user when they make their first edit. Not before, but after. [[User:Renamed user 159304387|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 159304387|talk]]) 01:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


:{{Support|Clear support}}. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 15:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{Support|Clear support}}. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 15:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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OnlineAdmins.js has been edited slightly to reflect formatting, you may need to reinstall this gadget. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
OnlineAdmins.js has been edited slightly to reflect formatting, you may need to reinstall this gadget. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:There has been one final change to the code, please reinstall this gadget to reflect the changes. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 06:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:There has been one final change to the code, please reinstall this gadget to reflect the changes. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 06:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:I honestly think we should just replace this with [[mw:Extension:WhosOnline]]. [[User:Username|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 07:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:I honestly think we should just replace this with [[mw:Extension:WhosOnline]]. [[User:Renamed user 159304387|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 159304387|talk]]) 07:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Putting on my sysadmin hat here, to say that this has been previously rejected, and I will probably reject it again. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 09:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Putting on my sysadmin hat here, to say that this has been previously rejected, and I will probably reject it again. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 09:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Possibly, Gadget-OnlineAdmins.js and WhosOnline should be implemented altogether. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Possibly, Gadget-OnlineAdmins.js and WhosOnline should be implemented altogether. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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One of my pet peeves is that people are establishing the grace period for users' rights too early. People should wait a little longer to do it so that the day of the new grace period and expiration date are close to each other. Thus, I might revert the grace period that was added to [[User:London|London]]'s rights earlier today, despite the expiration date being entirely correct, but too far from today. But, with grace periods (PLUS CORRECTIONS) comes an [[Special:Log/rights|extremely clogged log]] so likely I won't this time.
One of my pet peeves is that people are establishing the grace period for users' rights too early. People should wait a little longer to do it so that the day of the new grace period and expiration date are close to each other. Thus, I might revert the grace period that was added to [[User:London|London]]'s rights earlier today, despite the expiration date being entirely correct, but too far from today. But, with grace periods (PLUS CORRECTIONS) comes an [[Special:Log/rights|extremely clogged log]] so likely I won't this time.


Now that I think about it, I will probably retire from doing grace periods soon (most likely today), and I will try notifying users about their rights differently, via their talk pages two weeks before supposedly But this idea isn't final. [[User:Username|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
Now that I think about it, I will probably retire from doing grace periods soon (most likely today), and I will try notifying users about their rights differently, via their talk pages two weeks before supposedly But this idea isn't final. [[User:Renamed user 159304387|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 159304387|talk]]) 21:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:We've had this system for a while and it's both fair and useful. No reverts should be made unless a Steward agrees with the decision, as up until now there have been no issues. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 01:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
:We've had this system for a while and it's both fair and useful. No reverts should be made unless a Steward agrees with the decision, as up until now there have been no issues. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 01:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
:I think we should add a section to the inactivity policy about grace periods (how long they should be, when they should be set, etc.) I don't think we should retire the practice, as it's quite useful to both bureaucrats and users having their rights removed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
:I think we should add a section to the inactivity policy about grace periods (how long they should be, when they should be set, etc.) I don't think we should retire the practice, as it's quite useful to both bureaucrats and users having their rights removed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)


On second thought, never mind. I going to stick with the practice as I still enjoy doing/using it. And about the inactivity policy, I agree. [[User:Username|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
On second thought, never mind. I going to stick with the practice as I still enjoy doing/using it. And about the inactivity policy, I agree. [[User:Renamed user 159304387|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 159304387|talk]]) 16:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)


===RFC: Adding a section to the inactivity policy on grace periods===
===RFC: Adding a section to the inactivity policy on grace periods===
I propose that the following section be added to the inactivity policy: "Grace periods are an optional way of enforcing this policy. Grace periods involve making the inactive user's rights expire in 2 weeks when they would have otherwise been removed in 2 weeks. It adds extra notification to the inactive user, who can always change their rights back." [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
I propose that the following section be added to the inactivity policy: "Grace periods are an optional way of enforcing this policy. Grace periods involve making the inactive user's rights expire in 2 weeks when they would have otherwise been removed in 2 weeks. It adds extra notification to the inactive user, who can always change their rights back." [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{support}}: This explains it all. [[User:Username|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{support}}: This explains it all. [[User:Renamed user 159304387|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Renamed user 159304387|talk]]) 00:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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==Retirement==
==Retirement==

Since my work is neither recognised or even accepted of, and also because no one wants to give me a chance, I feel compelled to stop my work here... As system administrator, I could have done a lot of work... However, since I was already rejected there and told to become a steward first... So I wanted to do this, and?
Since my work is neither recognised or even accepted of, and also because no one wants to give me a chance, I feel compelled to stop my work here... As system administrator, I could have done a lot of work... However, since I was already rejected there and told to become a steward first... So I wanted to do this, and?