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| ==Rename request for Administrator== | | ==Proposal== |
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| | Hello, I happy to here to discuss on my new proposal to make a mediawikipage for this [[User:Aviram7/js/all-in-one.js|this]] JavaScript that help to easily block and oversight or suppress the revision of block user, spammers. etc, this script is originally based on [[metawikimedia:User:WhitePhosphorus/js/all-in-one.js|User:WhitePhosphorus/js/all-in-one.js]] of metawikimedia, but this script needed to modified them, then it's script ready for use on Tesrwiki. |
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| [[User:X|Administrator]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:32, 27 March 2023 (UTC) | | *I think [[User:Aviram7/js/all-in-one.js]] is move to mediawiki namespace, then add this script in gadget and allow to sysop, crats, stewards for use on you're preferences. |
| :{{Done}} Apologies for the delay, been busy with other stuff. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 00:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 00:53, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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| Hello! In this template the image is not displayed, I tried to fix it via [[Module:TNT]] but I don't understood what I need to change. Could you see it please? Thanks! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 07:51, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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| :This has now been fixed. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 00:52, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ==Extension request== | | {{Ping|MacFan4000|Dmehus|Drummingman|Justarandomamerican}} |
| Please install [[mw:Extension:ReplaceText|ReplaceText]]. [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
| | Thanks ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 08:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| == Drummingman for stewardship ==
| | :I would be fine with adding this as a gadget, but not on the common.js. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| :''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''
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| ::With no one notionally ''opposed'' to [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s election, and the only concern having been raised been related to activity levels, there is clear [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] to promote [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]. On the activity note, while MacFan4000's and my own activity levels is, admittedly, low, we've empowered trusted bureaucrats to functionally assist Stewards in non-test administrative actions and enforcement of our few policies, so there is a lower level ''need'' for high activity. As well, Drummingman's current activity levels, together with my commitment to remain active at least biweekly if not weekly [[rfc:2119|''should'']] help to maintain sufficient Steward coverage. On behalf of the Steward team, as well as the Test Wiki community, congratulations! [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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| I notice that the stewards of this wiki are busy in real life. Steward requests like 'usernames renames' have to wait a long time. I think that is why there is a need for a third steward. Meanwhile, I became an admin on [https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=63242835#Drummingman_(2) nlwiki] a big Wikipedia site six months ago and gained quite a bit of experience there. I have experience with revdel requests and already know well when suppression is appropriate. As for checkuser, I have little experience with it - testing with it is also not really possible because of privacy. I would use it only when it is really necessary; think of situations like [[User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891#Blocked|this]]. I would like to help the stewards manage the site and help where needed. Furthermore, I hope for your trust?
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| Greetings [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:13, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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| === Support ===
| | ::{{Ping|X}} Hello, Well! we have no probelm, If you like more gadgets for use, please see my common. js and this gadget is very helpful, firstly please test this js and then we think what can I do later?. |
| * He meets all the requirements to be a Steward. It is also active and reliable. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 17:30, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
| | Thanks ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 12:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| * completely supported for this request. [[User:Antonius6317nlwiki|Antonius6317nlwiki]] ([[User talk:Antonius6317nlwiki|talk]]) 10:37, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
| | :This gadget would likely need to be restricted to stewards due to just how powerful it is. Being able to revert all of a users edits, delete all the pages they've created, and block them in one click is simply a lot. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
| * Trusted and experienced user, Drummingman can help as steward. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 17:21, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *Why not? Trusted and helpful. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:33, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *Procedurally, just to make sure it's valid. But it feels uncomfortable to vote for yourself. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:02, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:I agree, but it appears people have done it in the past, looking through archives. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| === Oppose === | | :::X, You're right this js script is very powerful Use of this JavaScript should only be allowed by stewards and not allowed to use by any other privileged persons. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 03:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::I've commented it out of your common.js page for the moment, as it could cause some serious mayhem if used improperly. Ask me if you need a test performed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| ===Neutral===
| | ::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] Hello, Thank you for removing this script from my common. js, I've already performed the after adding this script on my common. js, I think this js script is more useful for the stewards. {{thanks}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 15:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| *'''Neutral'''. I agree that there is a high need and that you are definitely a qualified candidate, but I don't think you're active enough. For example, you haven't granted a permissions request in ~3 months and you have only 45 edits in the past 3 months. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:Dear, X as for granted permissions, you are right that I haven't done that often in the past 3 months, [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test%20Wiki:Request%20permissions&diff=26395&oldid=26393 mostly] you were ahead of me:) consider that a compliment. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:11, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *::I understand, but I would still like a steward to be a bit more active. I am definitely not opposing your request, I actually hope it succeeds, I just prefer to be neutral for now. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:::Thanks for your opinion and volunteering. 45 edits in 3 months on this small test wiki is still quite a lot, most users, especially bureaucrats and stewards don't make it. :-) For the rest, you are always free to make your own considerations. Greeting, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *::::I disagree. I would consider myself semi-active on this wiki and I have over 300 edits in the past 3 months. I wish you luck in your request for stewardship. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 23:24, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ===Questions=== | | ==Replace text== |
| 1. How will you treat people when you are elected as Steward?
| | I've used it a lot in the past, and it saved a lot of time. But as of now, it's restricted to <u>stewards</u>. Why's that? [[User:Jody|Saint]] ([[User talk: Jody|talk]]) 04:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| :'''R:''' Thank you for your questions. I will treat people as kindly and politely as I have so far. And offer any explanation and help if they ask. Until proven otherwise, I will assume [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume good faith]] as much as possible. Because Test Wiki is, after all, a test wiki, for administrators tools. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:34, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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| 2. What information do you think you should hide when you use supressor powers? [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 17:49, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
| | :It was found that a vandal who gained sysop rights could vandalize the [[Main Page]] or similarly important Steward protected pages using ReplaceText. I know it has a lot of utility for you, so feel free to send me a message on my talk page, or Drummingman on his with a request, ensuring that original text, new text, and namespace(s) are provided. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| :'''R:''' I will only use it in situations such as, removing personal information, copyright infringement, serious personal attacks or other grossly offensive material, as also indicated [[Test_Wiki:Suppress|here]]. Furthermore, I will use my common sense and handle it carefully. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:34, 15 May 2023 (UTC) | | ::Is it possible to allow interface administrators to use it? [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 13:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::I suggested that to MacFan when I originally opened a security task about the issue. Me personally, I think it would be better to create a separate group that's able to use it, as IA is ''primarily'' intended to allow editing of script pages, though I am fine with bundling it in to IA (and Stewards) along with creating a separate group. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:19, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| 3. Do you hold any non-test rights on any other wikis? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:24, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :'''R:''' Dear X, I am an [https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal:Gebruikersrechten&uselang=en&user=Drummingman administrator] on the Dutch Wikipedia. In addition, I have several other [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Drummingman (global) rights] on Wikimedia. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| 4. Do you think Seyiena should be unblocked? (See below thread) and why?
| | {{ping|EPIC|X|DR}} as interested persons. |
| :'''R:''' Seiyena is a difficult case, she has caused quite a bit of disruption cross-wiki, besides, she has already had many opportunities on this Test Wiki. I am taking a neutral stance on it. Should it be decided that she may be unblocked, <s>this does seem to me to be the very last chance.</s> Anyway, I think one of the current stewards should make the decision, since Dmehus already gave her a chance. To which it can be said that he only opened the talk page for [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=35209 her]. Then later I closed [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=35550 it] for [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Seiyena&diff=prev&oldid=26060 abuse]. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:06, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
| | Recently, upon DR requesting bureaucrat, they were given it without first being an administrator. EPIC removed the crat right, and X restored it, stating that the requirement was pointless. To prevent a wheel war, I think it's best to set down community consensus on the issue. What do you, the reader, think of the requirement to be a sysop before being a bureaucrat? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| ===== Result ===== | | :@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]: I've support you're thoughts, This is test wiki not Wikipedia, we are here to testing of specific permission, firstly If any new user request for both rights, then firstly grant only sysop permission but not crats, because sysop have more permission on his group, crats is most important permission on the wiki, I don't understand why both user's make editwar in removing or adding crats permission from @DR, who received both permission after reviewing his request by an other crats. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 04:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| * '''Promoted to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
| | ::I personally think that just like on other test wikis, there should some kind of requirement before being able to request crat, either an edit requirement (maybe something like 10 edits before being able to request bureaucrat would be a fair requirement if so?), or a requirement of a specific amount of days of having sysop before requesting crat (a day or two perhaps), or maybe a mix of both of those requirements. |
| ---- | | ::The reason I think so is because unlike on other test wikis, the crat permission is quite powerful and can remove both bureaucrat and sysop rights. If it's given very liberally it can be quite dangerous. Now, I know DR from Wikimedia and they are a trusted user who I certainly don't think would abuse the bureaucrat rights, so I have nothing against them having crat. But, I don't have any intents to wheel war, the permissions have been given back and it can remain so. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| :''The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.'' </div> | | :::My intention was also not to wheel war. I know EPIC mentioned some suggestions for "requirements" for the 'crat role. However, as of now, those do not exist, making the rule about being a sysop first pointless. There is some Wikimedia essay about not following the policies if doing so would prevent you from improving the site, but I can't remember what it was titled. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 11:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :You can remove the bureaucrat right from my account since I won’t be using it. I have MediaWiki installed on my local machine for testing purposes, and I already have all the advanced rights there. Here on this test wiki, my goal is to assist others by deploying some important and useful scripts and translating help pages. Initially, I thought that crats have access to grant the interface admin right, but it appears they do not, so I no longer require this role. Could any Steward please grant the interface admin right to my account? I would like to deploy some useful gadgets. Also, for granting requirements, I believe granting the bureaucrat role should be discretionary. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 09:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :We should definitely set requirements for gaining crat. It is a powerful position, and any disruptive user can easily misuse it. Since EPIC knew DR , there would not be a problem, but if a random user came and requested sysop and crat, there is a chance of vandalism or disruption. I propose that a user must wait 24 hours and make 10 edits before requesting crat rights [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 06:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::It's not a terribly powerful position, since it's mostly a testing right, but that being said, it ''does'' require an extra degree of trust as it includes extra permissions like <code>nuke</code> and <code>import</code>, which ''can'' cause vandalism that is time consuming to revert if used by unscrupulous actors. Since Justarandomamerican initiated the discussion, I will contribute here and allow Drummingman or MacFan4000 to close. Your suggestion of 10 edits is a good one, but I'd also add a time requirement and would suggest a minimum of a four day wait ''unless'' the user previously held user rights here, then the waiting period requirement is waived. We could also add in an alternate pathway to waive the waiting period requirement, such has having a confirmation edit from a mainstream wiki farm (Wikimedia, Fandom, or Miraheze) and being a known user in good standing there. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| | Hello, I am currently suffering from high powerful stress which is impairing my ability to work on test wiki and elsewhere, hence, I request the admins of test wiki to please remove my sysop + crats permission on my account, I will try to come back and edit here. Thanks to all the editors of test wiki for giving me a chance to test the tools of sysop and crats and I hope I have not broken any rules and regulations of test wiki.. {{Thanks}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 04:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| ::There is clear [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] from the community here, and, indeed, unanimity in many respects, that Seiyena (ApexAgunomu), by their act of ''not'' [[w:WP:SOCK|socking]], together with their behavioural improvements on other test wiki(s), has demonstrated enough improvement to at least extend another chance here by way of a conditional block. That being said, the community's patience is not endless, and so, per the terms of the conditional unblock described below, to ensure trusted [[Test Wiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrats]], who are also [[Test Wiki:Administrators|administrators]] are able to warn, guard against, or discipline for serious recidivism from their usual infractions and general nonsense, Seiyena is subject, indefinitely, to a community-advised, Steward-imposed user restriction prohibiting them from engaging in racist or racially-insensitive nonsense commentary anywhere and to patent nonsense/gibberish edits outside of their own userspace, as well as limiting them to one (1) user account of their choosing on Test Wiki. What this means is Stewards can tweak or modify the terms and conditions of the restriction, but [[rfc:2119|''should'']] seek the community's input, ideally via [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] before a blanket removal of the restriction is undertaken. Should recidivism occur, those trusted bureaucrat-administrators, may employ progressive discipline, on behalf of Stewards, taking the form of a formal warning, temporary rights revocation (i.e., <code>sysop</code>), and short blocks ranging from three days to two weeks. Still, bureaucrat-administrators are encouraged to measure the severity of the infraction with the type of discipline and [[rfc:2119|''should'']] recommend changes to the specially-designed [[Special:AbuseFilter|abuse filter]] designed to assist Seiyena in understanding the type of behaviour the community does ''not'' tolerate, rather proceeding immediately to a rights revocation or short block. Where more than three forms of progressive discipline have occurred, they may be reblocked, indefinitely, ideally by a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]. That being said, I recognize Stewards are not always active, so if a Steward does not show up, a bureaucrat-administrator may reblock, temporarily, for as long as necessary until a Steward shows up to reblock. Regarding the progressive discipline, as described below, should one bureaucrat-administrator disagree with another bureaucrat-administrator's form of formal discipline, they may involve either a Steward or another uninvolved bureaucrat-administrator to assess whether the issuance of progressive discipline was fair and reasonable. [[User:Q8j|Q8j]], should you have additional comments or suggestions to add, please feel free to add them below this close, within this section. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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| Hello, I would like to appeal my block here again, as more time has passed since my last appeal and in that time I have not evaded my Miraheze ban and I haven't been on IRC at all (not that I remember ever being inappropiate there but I just wanted to note that lately I haven't even been online there). In addition, I have been active on another test wiki called For-Test Wiki where I have been very careful to obey all the rules here. I would like to be unblocked here so I can show that I have changed, and I hope that by continued good behavior on various wikis, it will eventually help me in re-entering Miraheze. Thank you for your consideration. [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 22:49, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::<s> {{Ping|X}} {{Ping|Seiyena}} - Seiyena cannot appeal until Mac and/or Dmehus decides she can. Any future appeal, as previously stated, shall be denied. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 09:05, 14 May 2023 (UTC)</s>
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| :::In a comment above, Sav, you mentioned that when the stewards or bureaucrats felt I was ready, I can appeal. I can't find anything that says only a steward can decide when I can appeal. Since a bureaucrat, X, thought I was ready, I think this appeal is valid, though I do understand that a steward does need to give permission before I can be unblocked. [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 11:40, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :::I'd also like to note that nowhere was it said that permission for an appeal to simply be posted was required by a Steward, TPA was recently regranted due to the minimal chance of disruption with it, and a genuine interest in improving and appealing. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:51, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::*There’s no “clear” stewards decision that “Appealing requires stewards authorization”. MacFan4000’s TPA revocation was lifted by Dmehus, and latest TPA revocation was set by Drummingman, who is bureaucrat. Though I think X should have had discussion to whether to lift TPA block in Drummingman‘s talk or community portal, X’s decision wasn’t clear violation on rules here.
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| ::*Considering her behavior before blocking, her words means almost nothing to me. She did lie, break promises/policies, not just once. Regarding “For-test wiki”, if she has behaved good enough to believe she can do that here then I can consider, but as I don’t know what that is and I couldn’t find it, I can’t take it in consideration. Should anyone provide link, I’ll take a look.
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| ::*As such, I neither support nor oppose this appeal for now. But I strongly believe Dmehus should'''n’t''' decide this without community consensus(cf.[[:w:WP:INVOLVED]]). If Dmehus do that and Seiyena causes trouble again, I may hold his accountable.—-[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 07:20, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::Thank you for your comments. For your convenience, here is a link to For-Test Wiki. http://fortestwiki.myht.org/index.php/Main_Page [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 07:56, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :<s>I am not a steward, but as a bureaucrat and the one who allowed your TPA, I am declining this request. I am an active user on Miraheze where I have just seen Apex/Seiyena evade their ban twice. This shows they haven’t changed and are unable to be trusted here again. I am not revoking TPA quite yet in case the user has some response to the accusations that needs to be heard. If this talk page is abuse, I will revoke access to it immediately. Seyiena, I honestly thought you had changed, but your block evasion and abuse on Miraheze shows me you haven’t. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:02, 17 May 2023 (UTC)</s>
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| :::I can honestly say that I have not evaded my block on Miraheze for several months (last time in January). I really am trying to change my behavior on wikis. I don't know what you saw that makes you think I'm evading my Miraheze lock again but I promise that I'm not the one doing those things. [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:27, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::How do you explain [https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralAuth&target=Ap̃èxAgùnomùApexAgunomu this], [https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralAuth&target=HelloThisIsApex this], and [https://meta.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralAuth&target=This%20is%20My%20Kingdom%20Cum this]? The edits are also similar to your past behavior. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:36, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :::::My only guess is that somone else made those accounts with my name for whatever reason. I'm not in the habit of using sexual terms in my names, and if I'm being perfectly honest, I wouldn't put my known name so boldly if I were trying to evade, as I would want to try to avoid detection. As for why those accounts are behaving similarly to me, again I honestly don't know. But I swear none of those are me. [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:45, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::::I am honestly not sure if I believe you or not. When For-Test Wiki is back online, would you consent to a check to see if you did or didn’t operate the Benium, Denium, and similar accounts to prove trust? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:50, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :Yes, I consent to a checkuser on myself at For-Test Wiki. I hope it's back soon. [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:53, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::Evidence has show that the user hasn’t evaded their block, as such, I have struck my comment. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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| : '''Procedural comment:''' I have been in communication with Seiyena since March on IRC and encouraged them to articulate an appeal, via their user talk page, and be sure to specify conditions under which they may be reblocked and by ''whom'' should they violate their own conditions and, crucially, their time for minimum appeal. I apologize to [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] for my delay in following up here, but I will aim to review this community discussion together with their appeal on their user talk page this weekend. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:11, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::From Seiyena on their talk page: -First Instance: Removal of Permissions for 2 weeks (which may be enforced with a block from the Request Permissions page)
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| ::-Second Instance: Block by any admin, bureaucrat or steward (either timed or indefinite, will leave to discretion, but preferably with talk page access on)
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| ::I am also willing to accept any conditions that may be placed on my being unblocked. [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 11:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC). Transferred by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]). | | :{{done}} — You are free to reapply for user permissions when you return. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| '''I have brought this to the community portal so that the community can discuss an unblock as our stewards are inactive. Please comment below your opinions on unblocking [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]].''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *'''Support unblock.''' User has shown they can be trusted on for-test wiki. We could start out that any permissions above administrator require community approval. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:27, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *'''Oppose unblock.''' Seiyena has been given countless chances, even after Dmehus has given them a last chance. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 07:53, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:I can definitely understand your point of view. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *::{{Ping|X}} May I ask if you have looked into the previous history of Seiyena? If you have, I would like to know why you are supporting their unblock request given their bad faith behaviour. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 12:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:::Yes, I have definitely looked at their history. I wouldn't have started this without looking at their history. I am saying that the user has changed. There is no doubt that this user has misbehaved in the past, I am definitely not denying that. I am saying that the users behavior has changed. As a steward on For-Test Wiki, I can say that the user's behavior has significantly improved. They have edited constructively and never vandalized since we unblocked them. People can change, and I am inclined to assume good faith that this user has too. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *'''Accept appeal''': People change, and based on their current behavior elsewhere, I am inclined to assume that a block/ban is not necessary to prevent further disruption. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:29, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| * Seiyena is a difficult case, she has caused quite a bit of disruption cross-wiki, besides, she has already had many opportunities on this Test Wiki. I am taking a '''neutral stance''' on it. Should it be decided that she may be unblocked, <s>this does seem to me to be the very last chance</s>. Anyway, I think one of the current stewards should make the decision, since Dmehus already gave her a chance. To which it can be said that he only opened the talk page for [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=35209 her]. Then later I closed [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=35550 it] for [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Seiyena&diff=prev&oldid=26060 abuse]. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:18, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :Also, another note, specifically to {{ping|Dmehus}} It's definitely fine to at least me to impose a CONDUNBLOCK, or to lift it independently of community discussion if Seiyena agrees to certain conditions. Process this block appeal as you want, being sure to still make time for other things. TL;DR: '''Support any way of handling this''', if they are given a (perhaps last) chance at reintegration into the community, as the block does not appear to be preventing much, if any disruption based on behavior elsewhere. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:52, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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| * '''Proposed terms of conditional unblock.''' It looks like '''''most''''' of the participants here are in favour of some form of a conditional unblock, so I think we can move forward with proposed terms. For starters, and to be abundantly clear, I've seen some user(s) mention a "final unblock," I am never in favour of a "final chance" unblock. Rather, what I ''am'' in favour of is strict terms under which the user may be unblocked and reblocked as necessary. Any reblock [[rfc:2119|should ''not'']] be a final block, either, but rather, to ensure Stewards' and, where applicable, the community's time are not wasted, I believe it's important to specify the minimum timeframe before subsequent appeals are considered.
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| :In any case, while there is [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to a conditional unblock, I ''would'' like to gain [[User:Sav|Sav]]'s support here and also ensure that [[User:Q8j|Q8j]] is supportive rather than officially neutral. Similarly, I would also like to have [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] agree with my points on why I am never in favour of so-called "last chances." I propose, noting what I've described above, that Seiyena (ApexAgunomu) is conditionally unblocked by Stewards, to which Stewards will seek the community's input before a blanket removal of such conditions, provided that they:
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| :* Refrain from using gibberish or patent nonsense, also fairly broadly construed, outside of community sandboxes, fairly narrowly construed, or their own userspace (including subpages of their own userspace);
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| :* Be limited to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> user group for at least '''two (2) to four (4) weeks''' following closing of this discussion, after which they ''may'' be given <code>[[Test Wiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]]</code> when two (2) or more Test Wiki bureaucrats in good standing agree to grant the group. [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] may also agree to grant the group, but for this purpose, as I will be closing this discussion, should that be ''me'', I will gain concurrence from at lease one other bureaucrat; and,
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| :* Be limited to one (1) user account, indefinitely, on Test Wiki, being [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]].
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| :Noting their positive improvements thus far, but also being cognizant of their self-admitted neurodiversity and that recidivism ''may'' occur, I propose that:
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| :* The specific abuse filter(s) that [[User:Chrs|Chrs]] created be maintained, and Test Wiki bureaucrat-sysops are encouraged to request enhancements, as required, where such nonsense/gibberish filters through.
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| :* Where such nonsense/gibberish ''does'' seep through, bureaucrat-sysops ''are'' encouraged to guide them, by giving them a friendly reminder on their [[User talk:Seiyena|user talk page]], including noting the next-level consequence.
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| :* Next-level consequences would include rights removal for a short period of between three (3) days and two weeks (14) days. Where <code>sysop</code> rights are removed, they may still be granted appropriate rights below <code>sysop</code>, if useful (i.e., ability to view deleted revisions to analyze their mistakes)
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| :* Short blocks, ideally consented to by two bureaucrat-sysops, a Steward, or a Steward and bureaucrat-sysop (if me) of the same duration as the rights removal are considered appropriate next-level consequences
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| :* Once three next-level consequences, including the rights removal, are received, two bureaucrat-sysops may reblock for one-month until a Steward can indefinitely block them. If they are reblocked indefinitely by a Steward, that is ''not'' their "last chance," but rather, appeals will '''not''' be considered for at least three months.
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| :* '''Important note:''' Where sockpuppetry is suspected, the suspected socks ''may'' be blocked indefinitely (but ''do'' use [[w:WP:DUCK|obvious]] evidence!) and a warning immediately issued to their [[User talk:Seiyena|user talk page]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :* '''Opportunity for others to comment and, hopefully, Sav, Q8j, and Drummingman''' will weigh in.
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| :*:I think consent by at least two bureaucrat-sysops is unnecessary for a temporary block to prevent disruption, rather, in the interest of this wiki [[wikipedia:wikipedia:NOTBURO|not becoming a bureaucracy]], I request you change consent for a temporary block to independent action. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:57, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], that's fair and might be a bit much. For context, the thinking here was that Test Wiki is a "training ground" for new administrators and bureaucrats. As such, and at the same time, some may have different standards or views with respect to what constitutes a short block. Perhaps we could modify that to say two-bureaucrat-sysops are needed for the ''final'' thirty (30) block prior to be being re-blocked indefinitely by a Steward and, where one bureaucrat-sysop disagrees with a temporary block, they ''may'' vacate the temporary block? If further disputes occur, it should fall to a Steward to review and determine whether the temporary block was appropriate? Basically, we need some way to handle disputes over whether to impose a short block. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:16, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :*:::I would agree to that form of dispute resolution: for the final temporary block, the consent of 2 is required, given that your logic is reasonable. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :*::::I also don’t think an indefinite block should be limited to stewards. If our stewards resume their inactivity, it may take 3 months for an indefinite block to be placed. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:24, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :*:::::That's potentially a fair point, yes. In that case, I would think it would be reasonable a bureaucrat to extend the block for three months at a time until a Steward makes it official, as it were. Certainly that would be [[w:WP:COMMONSENSE|common sense]] and would ''not'' consider that something deserving of admonishment. That being said, it does seem likely we ''may'' have at least one more steward in the near future, which should help with that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:31, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :* '''[[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]]'s agreement (signature and timestamp); a bureaucrat-sysop can please copy over from their [[User talk:Seiyena|user talk page]], linking to the [[Special:Diff|diff]] there in the wikitext of this page ''and'' an edit summary:'''
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| :*: I have read the conditions of the proposed unblock and agree to them. [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 23:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC), <small>'''copied per [[Special:Diff/26933|this diff]]''' by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)</small>
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| :*:: Dear, [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] I agree with you, and am now also ''against a last chance'' and have therefore crossed out my comment above. I find the proposals reasonable and agree with them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 09:24, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :*:::I am for the above proposals and agree with them, therefore I have crossed out my prior vote[[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:56, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :*::::[[User:Sav|Sav]] and [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], thank you for your comments. That was my aim, to have unanimity if possible. I am not in favour of giving [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] too much rope, and think rolling three-strikes and indefinite user restriction strike that balance to extend good-faith the user has changed, or continues to change, with not wasting the community's time. For what it is worth, I have confirmed that there has been no abuse, technically speaking, by Seiyena, for the data retention period of Test Wiki. So, that ''does'' show baby steps of improvement, I think. Thank you, [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]], for your patience, for not abusing multiple accounts, and for your confirmation here. I will just wait for [[User:Q8j|Q8j]]'s comments before closing this. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 17:13, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:::::Waiting for [[User:Q8j|Q8j]]’s comments may be unwise. Commenting on this proposal was the first edit they had in 2 months. I think there is enough community agreement to unblock without [[User:Q8j|Q8j]]’s comments. I am also willing to personally help Seiyena re-integrate here, as I am on FTW and, hopefully, soon Miraheze. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:29, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *{{Support}} unblock. My apologies for late reply. I wanted to make some detailed comments but I can’t make enough time for that.—-[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 00:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:[[User:Q8j|Q8j]], thank you for your comments. Given your historical activity here, it was important for me to have you at least conditionally in support. There is no urgency in closing this discussion, so we can wait a bit longer to effect this, if you'd like to add any some additional comments that will help to inform the conditions. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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| == [[User:X|X]]'s request for stewardship == | | Hello everyone, I try to re- modifying Twinkle tool for use, but I don't think Twinkle Tool are working on Test Wiki; If you like I like to fix Twinkle tool for working on Test Wiki, so, I needed, please grant me Interface right for permanently for successfully complete this work.{{thanks}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 16:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
| <div class="boilerplate metadata discussion-archived" style="background-color: #F2F4FC; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px solid #aaa"> | | :I think that for the moment you can rework this script into personal subpages and we will see later about the rights because other interface admins will be able to add it as a gadget.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 16:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
| :''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.'' | | ::{{Ping|DodoMan}} Hello, Do you know Twinkle Tool are not currently available in gadgets section and it's subpages are not currently exist here, We recreating those pages and interface admin right are more help to edit and create js pages on Test Wiki.Cheers!~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 17:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::{{Ping|Aviram7}}Yes I know the tool it’s inavailable but you can rework script on your subpages. At worst, I will create these mediawiki pages and rework them with you. And also you need to request rights to Test Wiki:Request Permissions.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 17:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| '''Withdrawn'''. Drumming man was made a steward, so I don’t think there is a sufficient need for me to become one. Thanks y’all for your participation. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC) | | :::{{ping|DodoMan}} That's Great! well I going to request for Interface permission on request page and try to creating twinkle subpages on userspace and I beleive our hard struggle will be positive result proved.~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 17:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| Hello All, I am X, an active administrator and bureaucrat on testwiki.wiki. I have been here for a little over 2 months and I believe I can help perform steward actions when they are requested. I think our community needs multiple active stewards at all times and currently we have 0. If the above request for stewardship is successful, then we would have 1. I believe we need a steward team, which is more than 1. I believe I can assist there because when I requested a rename it took over a month because our current stewards are busy on other projects. I have performed all rights requests since my account was created. I have also performed all inactivity removals. Each of these I have performed appropriately. With steward tools, particularly suppression and checkuser, I understand how they work and can use them well. I will use oversight to hide personal information and extreme threats. With checkuser, I will investigate the IPs of accounts and LTA. I have access to both of these tools on another testwiki, [http://fortestwiki.myht.org/index.php/Main_Page For-Test Wiki] (same username). I believe there is a need and, because I am qualified, I thought it correct to apply. Feel free to ask me questions below. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:19, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
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| '''Questions:''' | | I propose converting it to an abusive username prevention filter. Any objections? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Norte'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0a13ad">talk</span>]] 15:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :Nope,is good for me.(oh no is my bot account)[[User:BotRafdodo|BotRafdodo]] ([[User talk:BotRafdodo|talk]]) 16:38, 25 April 2024 (UTC)~ |
| | :None. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::Standby... writing the regex... [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Norte'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0a13ad">talk</span>]] 02:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::and WHEW!!! {{done}}. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], you might want to remove the account creation conditions from filter 92 since I implemented them to filter 120. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Norte'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0a13ad">talk</span>]] 03:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::Any objections if I set this to disallow? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Norte'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0a13ad">talk</span>]] 01:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::LGTM. I'm not sure the likelihood of LTAs and blocked users trying to use variations of known usernames, but it can't hurt, either. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::No, if there's a helpful message. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::{{done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 02:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| *{{oppose}} There is no need for you to have Steward. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 12:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:[[User:Sav|Sav]], this is a valid !vote, but could you clarify a bit why you feel this way? Similar to my question to Drummingman, is it based on fundamental ''need'' (or lack thereof) for additional stewards, or do you have concerns with regard to the candidate's experience, qualifications, activity level, or commitment level? I've known you for awhile now and I might ''assume'' what you are inferring, but I'm also not a mindreader and that's generally not a good practice. Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:07, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
| | As a policy, this would practically just codify community norms on how to grant crat rights. I propose (and support) adopting this as policy. |
| *::{{Ping|Dmehus}}, I am opposing due to the past request for Stewardships mainly only wanting to hold such perm to "Rename users", "checkusers" and so forth, which this one seems to be for the same reason. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:52, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:I am fine with you opposing, but can you please explain why you don't think there is no need for me to have steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *{{support}}: Sav does not make a convincing argument: By what standard does X not need the Steward tools? There are 2 current stewards, both of which are not reasonably active enough to handle community problems. There is no reason not to trust X: They are competent, helpful, and all around trustworthy. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:Lolkikmoddi also does not make a convincing argument, as X is clearly trustworthy, and the time they've been here does not reduce that, especially because they've been here for 3 months. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *{{Neutral}} -- X is a steward at another wiki and therefore trustworthy. But prefer to vote neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], you have identified that you feel the user is trustworthy, presumably, at least in part, based on the user holding a presumably comparable position on any wiki, but could you articulate why you are neutral? Is it based on fundamental necessity for additional stewards, or not, do you have some reservations (neutral or otherwise)? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:07, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:: The reason is that I also see [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Euphoria&oldid=26877 edits] on this wiki that I don't expect from a steward. "Copied from talk page". ''Re-instated but changed to 15 day grace period to line up with June 3rd. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:16, 19 May 2023 (UTC)'' Reducing an admin period from indefinite to 2 weeks when the 3 months are not yet up, is neither friendly nor polite in my opinion. I had [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test%20Wiki:Community%20portal&diff=prev&oldid=26878 changed] my vote from support to neutral when I saw that. But I don't think it's enough to oppose it because there are too few stewards, I kindly ask X to be more careful in the future. Maybe at a later time I will possibly be willing to support it. But for now, neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 06:29, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *:::What is wrong with setting grace periods? Their rights will be removed on June 3rd and now I have notified them that their rights have changed. When someone changes your rights, for me at least, I get an email. So by setting a grace period, I am effectively notifying them before their rights will be removed. This has brought multiple users back to activity on multiple Test-wikis. I don’t see a problem with it. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:16, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *::::A well-meaning tip from me is that you can give the user a warning that their admin/crat right will soon be revoked due to inactivity. And you do that too, which I find commendable. But reducing rights in advance is unnecessary in my opinion. And I don't read that in the policy. Anyway, In any case, I really believe you are of good will and am inclined to support, but find it hard to make a decision on that now. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 17:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *{{oppose}} you just passed 3 months, please wait a little more then just one day then asking for stewardship which is very hard to get, maybe a few more weeks then i'll consider supporting [[User:Lolkikmoddi|Lolkikmoddi]] ([[User talk:Lolkikmoddi|talk]])
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| *:If I am aware, there isn't a time limit since account creation to become a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| *'''Procedural''' {{support}} as requestor. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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| == Potential Rename for Me == | | *{{support}} [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 18:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | *{{support|Conditional support}}: I'll support this with the modifications I have made. There should be some level of discretion granted to Stewards, as this is a test wiki, and trusted users should be able to bypass the requirements, along with Stewards being able to requalify a person. Otherwise, I'd say this is a reasonable security requirement. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | *{{Support|Conditional support}} The draft policy isn't ''exactly'' as I would've liked, but it's reasonable. Justarandomamerican's reason for additional, [[w:WP:COMMONSENSE|common sense]] exceptions by Stewards is also reasonable, and so I support that. It arguably goes without saying Stewards are able to do this anyway, but I support making this a conditional requirement for my support. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | *What do you guys think about Dmehus suggestion {{talk quote inline|to waive the waiting period requirement, such has having a confirmation edit from a mainstream wiki farm (Wikimedia, Fandom, or Miraheze) and being a known user in good standing there.}}Should we make a change with respect to this? [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 02:07, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | *{{comment}} Changed the criteria from ''"must have been a registered user for a minimum of 4 days"'' to ''"must have been an'' '''administrator''''' for a minimum of 4 days"''As any user can ask for crat rights before they even get sysop (the registered criteria is also mentioned on the top) [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 13:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | *:I'd prefer that, [[User:Harvici|Harvici]]. I would've preferred your language originally, but wasn't enough to cause me oppose the proposal. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:22, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | *{{oppose|Strong oppose}} How long has it been since someone has abused their bureaucrat permissions? Months, at least. This simply makes it harder for users to test, and as such, I oppose. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 13:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | *:This isn't about adding revocation criteria, [[User:X|X]]. As it stands, if you're an existing bureaucrat, you meet the exception criteria to have the bit re-added without the waiting period requirement. I would, however, potentially suggest adding a requirement that the <code>bureaucrat</code> user group is limited to the user's main account only. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], thoughts? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | *::I do suppose that ''could'' be added, but how would we handle legitimate test (such as testing the bureaucrat right on its own, without sysop) or cratbot accounts? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| Hi, I would like to change my name here to Piccadilly, as I hope to change my Miraheze name to that in the future. Dmehus is willing to do it if two or three people are in support of the change. If you have any arguments to either support or oppose my potential name change, feel free to post them at https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/User_talk:Seiyena#Rename_Request. Thanks! [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 00:40, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
| | ==Omnibus RfC: Unbundling abusefilter permissions from Administrators== |
| :I {{oppose}} a rename here. We have specific restrictions on your ability to edit and request rights, so renaming would cause a lot of confusion. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 00:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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| | <del> I would like to propose all of the following: 1: Unbundle all abusefilter-related (excluding basic rights already included in <code>*</code> or <code>user</code>) from the sysop group. |
| | 2. Bundle these rights into the Steward group. |
| | 3. Create a new <code>abusefilter-edit</code> group with these rights, and a <code>abusefilter-helper</code> group with view-only access, both grantable by a Steward upon request. |
| | Though this would be taking away a permission used by many, the AbuseFilter extension is a ''very'' powerful tool: There is the potential for evasion of restrictions imposed on specific users by the ability to view private filters, let alone the fact that a vandal that gets access to it could actually block innocent, or even potentially all edits. If this is implemented, I plan to grant the edit right to those who already work with our edit filters. </del> [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC) <small>withdrawn, see my comment below [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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| | :This sounds good to me. Thanks for starting the RfC. I'd only suggest a small change, by allowing any <code>sysop</code> to ''view'' the abuse filters; they just wouldn't be able to ''edit'' them unless they have the <code>abusefilter-helper</code> group. I'd also suggest adding both a time-based inactivity requirement (something like 30-90 days) whereby someone not having used the permission in the given time period can lose the permission and also broad Steward discretion to remove the permission where it's either misused or no longer used recently. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::That sounds good to me. I only added the "view private filters" unbundle because with a bit of knowledge of the language of abuse filters, you could probably bypass a filter restricting you, but I suppose there isn't a problem with that ''yet''. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:22, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::{{comment}} I am not a sockpuppeteer or something, and I assist with abuse filters almost all the time, but is the abusefilter-edit group not allowed to have the abusefilter-modify-restricted because of the potential of actions that can impact actual users? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Norte'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0a13ad">talk</span>]] 03:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::I don't have strong feelings about that. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:55, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::Should the abusefilter-edit group have the restricted action modifcation right, community consensus or similar is mandatory. [[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|talk]]) 03:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::The <code>abusefilter-modify-restricted</code> user right is currently restricted to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Stewards]] for mainly security and abuse reasons. I ''suppose'' we could sub-delegate this user right, but I'd rather see it be a ''separate'' user group, like <code>abusefilter-sysop</code> or something, that would also require a community vote (like non-Steward suppressors) (since it requires an extra degree of trust and also has some real, non-test administrator responsibilities). [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::I would propose all of the following in addition: |
| | ::::::*All admins should keep the abusefilter-log-detail right. |
| | ::::::*The <code>abusefilter-helper</code> group should only have the abusefilter-view-private and abusefilter-log-private permissions. |
| | ::::::*The <code>abusefilter-edit</code> group should just simply have the name <code>abusefilter</code>, and have the following rights (in addition to having a community vote requirement): |
| | ::::::1) Create or modify abuse filters (abusefilter-modify) [this may or may not need the two rights listed on the abusefilter-helper permission since this permission allows you to view the filters and their logs, whether public or private] |
| | ::::::2) Create or modify what external domains are blocked from being linked (abusefilter-modify-blocked-external-domains) |
| | ::::::3) Modify abuse filters with restricted actions (abusefilter-modify-restricted) |
| | ::::::4) Revert all changes by a given abuse filter (abusefilter-revert) |
| | ::::::*Stewards do not need to assign the abusefilter or abusefilter-helper permission to themselves, but they can assign and remove either of the two to trusted users following a community vote. |
| | ::::::[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 17:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::::A community vote and/or Steward discretion (for helper, or granting edit to those who have worked on abuse filters before) or consensus (for neither of those cases), I presume? Appointment by community vote only would be a higher bar than we set for our [[Test Wiki: Suppressors|non-steward suppressors]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::::{{S|Conditional support}} per my comment above. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::::::I am writing a proposed policy about the abuse filter and their proposed user rights; anyone can help. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 01:20, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::::::{{S|Strong Support}} I support this proposal. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 09:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::::::::How long has it been since someone has abused abuse filter access? Months, years? I don't ever recall this being an issue. Like the above proposal, this simply makes it harder for users to test and I will always {{oppose|Strongly oppose}} that. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 13:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::::::::This also makes it extremely difficult to make small changes to abusefilters, or fix bugs. This is a solution looking for a problem, in addition to being extremely bureaucratic. Must I remind everyone that this is a testwiki, where people test tools like abusefilter? [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 17:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to draw your attention to an ongoing discussion on the [[User talk:Euphoria]] page regarding the [[Test_Wiki:Inactivity_policy|Inactivity Policy]]. The conversation involves myself, {{Ping|X}}, {{Ping|Justarandomamerican}}, and {{Ping|AlPaD}}. | | ::::::::::{{support|Strong Support }} I added a lot of content to the [[User:Codename Noreste/Abuse filter|policy]]; feel free to add your own suggestion :) [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 14:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::::::::{{oppose}} I haven't found any vandalism in the abuse filters so far. It seems unnecessary to make such a change when there is no vandalism. Therefore, I am opposing this proposal. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 17:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :I now {{oppose|withdraw my proposal and oppose}} the policy proposal upon reading the two rational oppose comments. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ===Alternate proposal: Restricted group and abusefilter sysop group=== |
| | Rather than the above: Create a <code>abusefilter-restricted</code> group, grantable and removable only by Stewards at their discretion or upon a community partial ban from the abuse filter, with rights related to modification and private filters actively revoked. This would curb abuse (such as of the guidance filter), whilst making allowance for testing. In addition, I will also propose the AbuseFilter sysop group mentioned above in this proposal too, with the modify-restricted right, grantable upon consensus of at least two stewards or of the community. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| It appears that both "X" and "Justarandomamerican" hold the view that a "grace period" exists within the Test Wiki's process for removing permissions. However, it is important to note that no such provision is mentioned in the policy itself.
| | :{{ping|X|LisafBia|Dmehus|Codename Noreste|Harvici}} as participants in the RfC above. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::I'd support that. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 22:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::So what will we name this group? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 23:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::In terms of human readable language, something along the lines of "Users restricted from editing the edit filter" (or a shortened version that conveys the same information) would be the first choice for a name (to me). [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:36, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::How about "Users blocked from the abuse filter" for the <code>abusefilter-restricted</code> right, and "Abuse filter administrators" for <code>abusefilter-sysop</code>? The former would be useful for say, Piccadilly if they have one more chance (which I doubt) while they may not edit any filter or view any private filters, including one that restricts their disruptive actions. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 01:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::Both of those sound good. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::::Abuse filter administrators have the additional ability to modify filters with blocking abilities in the same fashion as stewards do, while users blocked from the abuse filter may not edit any filter or view private filters; however, they can still see said public filters and the abuse log. I will update my proposed policy on the abuse filter. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 01:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::::It is also possible that users blocked from the abuse filter will be able to view private filters to learn from their mistakes/abuse, seeing my discussion with [[User:Dmehus|Doug]] below. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::::::Couldn't we simply revoke the <code>abusefilter-view-private</code> and <code>abusefilter-log-private</code> in the abusefilter-restricted right, and that trusted users experienced with abuse filters should take care not to discuss private filters in public? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 01:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::::::That is one of three possibilities. I would be more supportive of a separate group restricting view access or of not doing so and simply restricting edit access, due to the rational possibility of a restricted user looking at a filter to learn from their mistakes. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:36, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::{{support}} [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 08:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :That could be a good way of doing it. So you're proposing to use [[mw:Manual:$wgRevokePermissions|<code>$wgRevokePermissions</code>]] essentially, to revoke all abuse filter permissions normally granted to the <code>sysop</code> group by way of a new user group, though I'd suggest a friendly amendment, if you're amenable to it, of permitting ''view only'' access to the filter (so such partially blocked/banned users could use it to actually ''learn'' from their mistakes)? You would then propose to give access to the restricted abusefilter permissions as part of a new group? If ''so'', I'm in favour of the former, but a little lukewarm on the latter. Not necessarily ''against'' it, but also not entirely sure the ''need'', given the level of active stewards we have now and being concerned with regard to [[w:WP:HATCOLLECT|hat collecting]]. I'd be ''more'' favourable, if we added some removal criteria (i.e., unused completely in the last 30-60 days), by community revocation with a 75% net support ratio, or by consensus of two or more stewards. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::I would support the removal criteria for the modify restricted right (or abusefilter sysop). Though I am definitely amenable to view only access for the group restricted from modification, I am also thinking of how that could be abused by a user with a certain level of knowledge. Perhaps that could be left out for now, to avoid creating 2 separate groups? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::I propose that we create three seperate rights <code>abusefilter-sysop</code>, <code>abusefliter-restricted</code> ,<code>abusefilter-view-restricted</code> .If the crat [[User:Harvici/Bureaucrat requirements|policy]] passes then we could remove all the abusefilter rights from the sysop and bundle them into <code>abusefilter-sysop</code> which would only be granted if the user is a crat (since to become a crat they have to prove us that they are trustworthy). <code>abusefilter-restricted</code> only let the user only view the abuse filters (steward will only place this right if a user has misused the abusefilter or the user just wants to view and not edit) and <code>abusefilter-view-restricted</code> will not allow the users to even view any abuse filter (this would only be placed if the user has caused serious disruption ) [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 01:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::Sorry, but I'm gonna have to disagree. I would NOT suggest removing the abuse filter modification rights from the sysop toolset, and if an admin only wants to view abuse filters, including private filters, then they should not edit said filters at all. As for the revocation of viewing abuse filters, I think you meant the revocation of viewing private filters and editing all filters, which should probably be merged to the abusefilter-restricted right. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 02:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::Well, then we can create one right: <code>abusefilter-sysop</code>.We would remove all the abusefilter filter-related rights (except the ability to view) from sysop toolset.All the users don't have experience with abuse filters (they can also cause disruption even in good faith), and there is no need to give them until they request <code>abusefilter-sysop</code>which would have the ability to edit the filters and it would be granted by stewards [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 13:18, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::We should add some criteria for granting and removing. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 22:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::Umm... removing criteria would be misuse or inactivity or both and granting can be passing a vote of community portal or steward deems the user trusted or both [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 05:07, 5 May 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::::Non-controversial changes to filters with restricted actions are allowed such as simplifying filters, but controversial changes such as enabling those actions on filters without determining consensus are not. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 17:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::::Are we circling back to the above proposal which was pile-on opposed? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::::::I meant the alternate proposal. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 04:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC) |
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| | I have one last account rename request for the stewards: Jody. [[User:Jody|Saint]] ([[User talk: Jody|talk]]) 00:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| I kindly request the community to provide their opinions on this matter, as I firmly believe that our actions should align with the guidelines outlined in the policy, rather than making assumptions based on its omissions.
| | :{{done}}. Feel free to come back and request another, within reason. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| | I actually intended to put Noreste instead of Norte; therefore, I am requesting a rename to '''''Codename Noreste''''' one last time to match Wikimedia and The Test Wiki. Thank you. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Norte'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0a13ad">talk</span>]] 03:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
| [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC) | |
| :Obviously, I {{support}} the ability for bureaucrats to use grace periods to remove rights for a number of reasons.
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| #It notifies the user of their inactivity through email and allows them to regain their rights sooner, almost like a reminder if they forgot about the wiki.
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| #It allows inactive users to quickly regain their rights if they come back. Bureaucrat can just assign them back permanently and admins can just request it be made indefinite.
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| #If they don’t return to activity, it is a convenient way to remove rights, and the outcome is the same. The rights are removed on the same day.
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| [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
| | :{{done}}. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC) |
| :Whilst I {{support}} grace periods as a common sense measure, I do not understand what causes the absolute letter of policy, rather than the spirit, to be followed. The inactivity policy provides for removal of rights from inactive users. That is it. It does not explicitly disallow grace periods. Disallowing administration in the absence of policy by wheel warring is, more or less, making this wiki appear to be a [[wikipedia: Wikipedia:NOTBUREAUCRACY|bureaucracy when it is not]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC) | |
| ::You both need to follow the policy, same as anyone else. Nobody has has decided that a "grace period" is necessary, so why should you? Even so, before making decisions like that, a vote should be made here, on the community portal. I'll be expecting a response from {{Ping|Dmehus}} to confirm my reports. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :::Please explain to me how we are violating policy. You have said that we are, so explain it. What policy am I violating by setting grace periods? The policy states that a users rights will be removed after 3 months of no edits/logged actions, and that is what I am doing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :::{{Ping|Justarandomamerican}}, Expanding on your assertion regarding the absence of an explicit prohibition of grace periods, it is worth noting that there is also no explicit endorsement. Consequently, one must question the justification for unilaterally modifying the policy at will. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:52, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::Does policy state that I can login? Does policy state that I can edit? Does policy state that I can breathe? No, but that doesn’t mean you can’t do it. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::Again, this wiki is [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:NOTBUREAUCRACY|not a bureaucracy where rules providing for something must be made, and rules providing for something disallow all other handling of a situation]], so administration in the absence of policy is allowed. We are not modifying rules, merely maintaining this wiki in the absence of them. The spirit of the Inactivity Policy does not disallow grace periods, in consequence. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :::::Again, you are modifying the rules by doing whatever you see fit. Clearly, we are at a crossroads and so, I'll leave this to Dmehus and/or {{Ping|Drummingman}} to decide. 18:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC) {{unsigned|Sav}}
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| ::::::What rules are being modified? Policy states to remove rights after 3 months of not actions or edits. We have not altered this in anyway. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| As I said above, I am not in favor of an "already lengthwise truncated user rights" where admin/crat rights are already truncated. I find that impolite and not inviting to test here. But giving a warning on the users' own talk page about 2 weeks in advance, "beware you are approaching the activity criteria", is sufficient as far as I am concerned. But what I find worse is wheel warfare with each other. I urge the users involved not to overrule each other and look for consensus. If you still can't come to a consensus, ask the stewards to get involved, and then do nothing until the steward has made a decision. Keep your head cool and let's keep it nice with each other. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :Hi, {{Ping|Drummingman}}. To put simply, that means no grace period, correct? We are okay to issue a friendly warning stating "You are approaching the activity criteria" yes? Regards. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :As far as I am aware, this is a community discussion, and a Steward's decision is not final, as this wiki's decision making mechanism is not autocracy. We should continue to discuss this matter. I disagree as to it being unfriendly: How is it unfriendly when they are immediately notified by email and have a chance to request the rights be made permanent? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::I agree. Stewards don’t hold seniority in discussions. This is a community discussion. I also agree with Justa that it isn’t unfriendly. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:46, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :::Regardless if you don't like the decision, Drummingman has given the answer and until Mac or Dmehus gives their input, we should follow what Drummingman stated. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::Elected Stewards have no say in community discussion besides what all other members of the community have, and their decisions are merely temporary dispute resolution. We shall continue to discuss this. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:51, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :::::What I would like to add here is that this is my own opinion, not a direct "steward decision" but a user who is also a steward. I have not talked to the other stewards about this yet. Moreover, I also think it is important to hear your opinions on this. So, this is not a final decision yet. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::::Thank you for correcting my assumption that you were acting under the color of your authority to resolve disputes. That was a wrong assumption. Thank you again, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| :::::::You're welcome. {{Ping|X}}. I really hope you stay active. Your work has been good so far. Don't let this discourage you. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::::::I won’t. I just really hate conflict. I think that grace periods should just be optional. You can do them if you want, but you don’t have to use them either. This is a good compromise. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::::::: {{Ping|X}} That sounds good. I don't like conflict, either :-). What is most important to me is to respect each other's authority and not start a wheel war over this. I look forward to your opinions, feel free to add anything? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::I agree. This isn’t really that important, and to wheel war about it was admittedly futile. I don’t think I have much more to add besides grace periods are an optional part of bureaucrat revoking rights. You can close this, if you wish. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:02, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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| == CU Request == | | I am writing to bring attention to a matter concerning [[User:Piccadilly]] and to propose a necessary course of action. This individual has been afforded numerous opportunities to rectify their behavior on The Test Wiki, as evidenced by their extensive [https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/Special:Log?type=block&user=&page=User%3APiccadilly&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist history]. Unfortunately, they have repeatedly demonstrated a pattern of abusing these chances. |
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| Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
| | Given the circumstances, it is my firm belief that allowing such behavior to persist undermines the integrity of our community and the principles it stands for. Therefore, I urge you all to consider this matter seriously and contribute your opinions on the appropriate action to be taken. |
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| | Warm regards, [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 01:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC) |
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| | *Due to previously filing one of these myself, I should not close this, and hence will leave a comment. There have been 2 previous discussions. Both of those have resulted in a Steward banning her and later unblocking her. I think it is time for the wider community to have a say in any future appeals, as this is either [[Wikipedia: Wikipedia:CIR|a very egregious case of not having necessary competence]], or [[WP:WP:SNEAKY|an attempt to troll and evade scrutiny]]. Therefore, I {{support|support}} a community ban/block, or, at the very least, an automatic community ban upon an unblock and reblock by a steward of the current block. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC) |
| | *:Thank you for your input! [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC) |