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*Abstain While all my interactions so far with Justarandomamerican have been positive, I don't feel I know them (as well as their contributions here) well enough yet in order to be able to vote yes/no on this matter. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 19:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
*Abstain While all my interactions so far with Justarandomamerican have been positive, I don't feel I know them (as well as their contributions here) well enough yet in order to be able to vote yes/no on this matter. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 19:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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== Proposal: [[Test Wiki:No open proxies policy|No open proxies policy]] ==
== Proposal: [[Test Wiki:No open proxies|No open proxies policy]] ==
{{Discussion top|Involved closure, but consensus is unanimous here. Nobody had an opposing or neutral argument. Cheers, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)}}
{{Discussion top|Involved closure, but consensus is unanimous here. Nobody had an opposing or neutral argument. Cheers, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)}}


'''Community proposal:'''  To establish as official policy, subject to amendment at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]], [[Test Wiki:No open proxies policy|No open proxies policy]]. Such policy shall prohibit open proxies, somewhat broadly construed, VPNs, and web hosts from being used for anonymous editing or account creation. On discovery, a Steward shall soft block with account creation disabled and talk page access revoked said IP range(s) for a period of not less than three (3) and not more than twenty four (24) months. Logged in editors may use them, as is the case on [[mhmeta:No open proxies policy|Miraheze]], as at least the user will have been likely required to identify their personal IP to [[Special:CreateAccount|create an account]]. Where, upon discovery, an account was created by a VPN/open proxy, Steward discretion applies as to whether to block, or require a confirmation edit from a Wikimedia or Miraheze wiki. Steward discretion in terms of the length of the block/rangeblock applies, within the defined parameters, but the community recomments at least six (6) months for obvious cases. Where open proxies/VPNs are being used on this wiki by anonymous users, the open proxies/VPNs may be blocked by any <code>sysop</code>, subject to the same discretion as outlined above.
'''Community proposal:'''  To establish as official policy, subject to amendment at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]], [[Test Wiki:No open proxies|No open proxies policy]]. Such policy shall prohibit open proxies, somewhat broadly construed, VPNs, and web hosts from being used for anonymous editing or account creation. On discovery, a Steward shall soft block with account creation disabled and talk page access revoked said IP range(s) for a period of not less than three (3) and not more than twenty four (24) months. Logged in editors may use them, as is the case on [[mhmeta:No open proxies policy|Miraheze]], as at least the user will have been likely required to identify their personal IP to [[Special:CreateAccount|create an account]]. Where, upon discovery, an account was created by a VPN/open proxy, Steward discretion applies as to whether to block, or require a confirmation edit from a Wikimedia or Miraheze wiki. Steward discretion in terms of the length of the block/rangeblock applies, within the defined parameters, but the community recomments at least six (6) months for obvious cases. Where open proxies/VPNs are being used on this wiki by anonymous users, the open proxies/VPNs may be blocked by any <code>sysop</code>, subject to the same discretion as outlined above.


=== Support ===
=== Support ===
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: {{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
: {{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)


== Adding Archive Header to [[Test Wiki:Request permissions]] ==
== Adding Archive Header to [[Test Wiki:Request for permissions]] ==


Hello all, Currently i added an Archive Header for all archived Pages Current Version of [[User:Sakura emad/header|/header]], Posted to just let you know for censuses. Thank you [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 11:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Hello all, Currently i added an Archive Header for all archived Pages Current Version of [[User:Sakura emad/header|/header]], Posted to just let you know for censuses. Thank you [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 11:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
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:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''
:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''
::The outcome here is that, yes, [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]'s behaviour was indeed inappropriate, and the racially insensitive and homophobic comments also inappropriate, [[User:Kazrok4545|Kazrok4545]]'s [[Special:Redirect/logid/30479|block]] was also inappropriate for a few reasons. Firstly, as it was quite clear at [[Test Wiki:Request permissions]] that this was a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]-managed user conduct case, the block was inappropriate. Secondly, administrators here are, fundamentally, non-test administrators. Blocking open proxies, deleting spam, or reverting vandalism is fine, but serious user conduct issues [[rfc:2119|'''must''']] be left to Stewards, unless they've explicitly delegated certain aspects (i.e., my saying that <code>[[Test Wiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]]</code> could be revoked if the conditions were breached, for example). Finally, and philosophically, part of developing good [[Test Wiki:Administrators|administrator]] skills beyond technical capability is developing the diplomatic skills and engaging with users to think of other, creative and, crucially, long-term solutions that are at least somewhat amenable to all. I ''had'' meant to ask [[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] to import the abuse filter from [[mhtest:|Public Test Wiki]], but my other responsibilities precluded that until now, so I ''do'' take that responsibility for not having done that sooner. Nevertheless, this is the solution I believe is the best. If, after a month or so (from now), it's clear Seiyena needs another time away from Test Wiki, I will make that call. Nevertheless, [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]], to be clear, you ''can'' curse, though I encourage you ''not'' to. What you '''cannot''' do is make racist, racially insensitive, xenophobic, or homophobic comments. Thus, [[User:Kazrok4545|Kazrok4545]]'s rights revocation is {{Done|endorsed}} by this [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]. You may re-apply for administrator after a minimum of 5-7 days, if a bureaucrat is satisfied with your good edits and log actions. You may then re-apply for bureaucrat on or after May 1st, again under the same terms. I have added several minor user groups, with a particular emphasis on <code>researcher</code>, which [[rfc:2119|''should'']] allow you review your revision deleted [[Special:DeletedContributions/Piccadilly|contributions]] and log actions, to help you understand what you '''cannot''' do here and make good edits. Together with [[User:Chrs|Arcversin]]'s abuse filter, hopefully this should guide you to constructive editing here. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 03:50, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
::The outcome here is that, yes, [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]'s behaviour was indeed inappropriate, and the racially insensitive and homophobic comments also inappropriate, [[User:Kazrok4545|Kazrok4545]]'s [[Special:Redirect/logid/30479|block]] was also inappropriate for a few reasons. Firstly, as it was quite clear at [[Test Wiki:Request for permissions]] that this was a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]-managed user conduct case, the block was inappropriate. Secondly, administrators here are, fundamentally, non-test administrators. Blocking open proxies, deleting spam, or reverting vandalism is fine, but serious user conduct issues [[rfc:2119|'''must''']] be left to Stewards, unless they've explicitly delegated certain aspects (i.e., my saying that <code>[[Test Wiki:Bureaucrats|bureaucrat]]</code> could be revoked if the conditions were breached, for example). Finally, and philosophically, part of developing good [[Test Wiki:Administrators|administrator]] skills beyond technical capability is developing the diplomatic skills and engaging with users to think of other, creative and, crucially, long-term solutions that are at least somewhat amenable to all. I ''had'' meant to ask [[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] to import the abuse filter from [[mhtest:|Public Test Wiki]], but my other responsibilities precluded that until now, so I ''do'' take that responsibility for not having done that sooner. Nevertheless, this is the solution I believe is the best. If, after a month or so (from now), it's clear Seiyena needs another time away from Test Wiki, I will make that call. Nevertheless, [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]], to be clear, you ''can'' curse, though I encourage you ''not'' to. What you '''cannot''' do is make racist, racially insensitive, xenophobic, or homophobic comments. Thus, [[User:Kazrok4545|Kazrok4545]]'s rights revocation is {{Done|endorsed}} by this [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]. You may re-apply for administrator after a minimum of 5-7 days, if a bureaucrat is satisfied with your good edits and log actions. You may then re-apply for bureaucrat on or after May 1st, again under the same terms. I have added several minor user groups, with a particular emphasis on <code>researcher</code>, which [[rfc:2119|''should'']] allow you review your revision deleted [[Special:DeletedContributions/Piccadilly|contributions]] and log actions, to help you understand what you '''cannot''' do here and make good edits. Together with [[User:Chrs|Arcversin]]'s abuse filter, hopefully this should guide you to constructive editing here. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 03:50, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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:They've asked for the following statement to be copied from [[User talk:Piccadilly|their talk page]]: <pre>I realize that my edits were very wrong and inexcusable, and I am very sorry for putting such bad things here. I realize that at least a temporary block is warranted in this case, but if at all possible, could my current block be set to expire automatically, after which I can have one last chance to test admin and bureaucrat powers here?</pre> —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 14:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
:They've asked for the following statement to be copied from [[User talk:Piccadilly|their talk page]]: <pre>I realize that my edits were very wrong and inexcusable, and I am very sorry for putting such bad things here. I realize that at least a temporary block is warranted in this case, but if at all possible, could my current block be set to expire automatically, after which I can have one last chance to test admin and bureaucrat powers here?</pre> —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 14:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)


:{{ping|Chrs|label1=Arcversin}} Thanks for the transfer! — Regards, [[U:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''Kazrok4545'''''</span>]] [[UT:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''<small>Talk</small>'''''</span>]] 14:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Chrs|label1=Arcversin}} Thanks for the transfer! — Regards, [[User:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''Kazrok4545'''''</span>]] [[User talk:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''<small>Talk</small>'''''</span>]] 14:59, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
::Hello! I suggest blocking some domain namespaces [[mhtest:Special:BlockList/ApexAgunomu|like Public TestWiki]], because she has some good edits and actions. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 17:18, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
::Hello! I suggest blocking some domain namespaces [[mhtest:Special:BlockList/ApexAgunomu|like Public TestWiki]], because she has some good edits and actions. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 17:18, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
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== Filter #52 ==
== Filter #52 ==


{{ping|Dmehus}} Could you or another Steward please add <code>& page_id == 702</code> to [[Special:AbuseFilter/52|abuse filter 52]], as the second to last line? This would help prevent false positives (which result in no-warning indef blocks) by excluding [[Test Wiki:Request permissions]] from said filter. Also, is there any way for non-Stewards to get edit access to those filters? —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 01:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
{{ping|Dmehus}} Could you or another Steward please add <code>& page_id == 702</code> to [[Special:AbuseFilter/52|abuse filter 52]], as the second to last line? This would help prevent false positives (which result in no-warning indef blocks) by excluding [[Test Wiki:Request for permissions]] from said filter. Also, is there any way for non-Stewards to get edit access to those filters? —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 01:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]], sure. My other plan here is to create a non-test [[Test Wiki:Abuse filter helpers|abuse filter helpers]] user group, to be granted by [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Stewards]], that would allow technically capable abuse filter editors to be granted this permission and be able to edit restricted abuse filters. Users ''may'' request the permission from a Steward, but [[rfc:2119|should]] provide some evidence of technical capability in this area. It would be subject to the [[Test Wiki:Inactivity|inactivity policy]], and could be revoked if an abuse filter helper either (a) repeatedly made unconstructive changes to restricted abuse filters or (b) otherwise demonstrated to Stewards they either (i) not [[w:WP:CIR|technically competent]] or (ii) not trusted. Anyone have any objections to this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 04:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]], sure. My other plan here is to create a non-test [[Test Wiki:Abuse filter helpers|abuse filter helpers]] user group, to be granted by [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Stewards]], that would allow technically capable abuse filter editors to be granted this permission and be able to edit restricted abuse filters. Users ''may'' request the permission from a Steward, but [[rfc:2119|should]] provide some evidence of technical capability in this area. It would be subject to the [[Test Wiki:Inactivity|inactivity policy]], and could be revoked if an abuse filter helper either (a) repeatedly made unconstructive changes to restricted abuse filters or (b) otherwise demonstrated to Stewards they either (i) not [[w:WP:CIR|technically competent]] or (ii) not trusted. Anyone have any objections to this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 04:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|Dmehus}} Not sure how, but I mistyped what should be added, it should be <code>!=</code> not <code>==</code>. As to your latter point, I would support that idea , but I would suggest it be named something other than "helpers", since Wikimedia uses that to refer to read-only access to private filters. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 11:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|Dmehus}} Not sure how, but I mistyped what should be added, it should be <code>!=</code> not <code>==</code>. As to your latter point, I would support that idea , but I would suggest it be named something other than "helpers", since Wikimedia uses that to refer to read-only access to private filters. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Chrs|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Chrs|talk]])</span> 11:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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