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== Oversight role? ==
== Mind if I suggest something? ==
{{ping|MacFan4000|Void}} Do you think it'd be possible to get an oversight role? [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 14:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Seemplez}} I'm just gonna bump in here, but there's no need for it right now. From what I've seen, everything is fine, and the CheckUser right isn't really needed either, the only use for the Steward permission is that it can revoke bureaucrat permissions from a user. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 17:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
::I think we already have both kinds of oversight on this wiki, from google I saw https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/oversight which is revision deletion you should already be able to do the admin kind of revision deletion, there is also the suppress kind, which was done to a few entries a long time ago by MacFan4000, but for that you need to be in the [[Test Wiki:Suppress|suppress user group]] and only the stewards can assign that. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 18:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:If a steward thinks you should have it, and assigns it to you, or you become a steward, then yes. Otherwise, no. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Fast|Justarandomamerican|BlackWidowMovie0}} Thanks. [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 11:29, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 
== CheckUser testing ==
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::Consensus in favor of extending the (non-steward/sysadmin) inactivity period to 3 months. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 22:58, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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Currently, as shown in [[Special:ListGroupRights]], it seems that only bureaucrats may use the <code>checkuser-limited</code> permission. This permission allows checking oneself for the purpose of testing out the tool. It may be a good idea to grant this permission to administrators as administrators is the primary for-testing group here and it should not be necessary to request bureaucratship for testing. In addition, when it is only possible to check oneself there is very little capacity for damage (checking others will still be limited to Stewards).
Instead of having your access to the admin tools after 1 month goes by without activity, why not just have it be 3 months instead? I'd say that 1 month is a bit too short, and I'm not sure how one month would be enough of a reason. --[[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]] ([[User talk:DarkMatterMan4500|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/DarkMatterMan4500|contribs]]) 13:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{Ping|MacFan4000}} {{Ping|Dmehus}} Hello! How long will the proposal close? [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 12:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
==== Supports ====
: {{Support}} I like this idea, and can't see any drawbacks to it. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 16:27, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
: {{Support}} I think it should be extended. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 16:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
: {{Support}} Per nom. [[User:I_am_One|I am one]] ([[User_talk:I_am_One|as you are three]]) 23:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
: {{Support}} I absolutely agree with that! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 14:19, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


Opinions? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 22:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
=== Oppose ===
:Agree <code>checkuser-limited</code> is not really that sensitive, and certainly has less potential for damage than many of the other rights bundled with administrator. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 03:50, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{oppose}} We're giving out adminship and 'cratship as if they were candies. Isn't that good enough? [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 10:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
:Agree. You can only test checkuser on yourself. Making a phabricator task..... [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:59, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
::It's definitely good but it would save bureaucrats some work by not having to re-add user rights so often and also save everyone else the hassle of having to ask for the rights again after just a short one-month hiatus. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 12:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
::[https://phabricator.testwiki.wiki/T43 Phabricator task] [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
:::{{u|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh}} Being honest, revocation of an advanced permission after 1 month just seems too short, and I'd recommend at least 3 months, as it's usually fair, in terms of how we all operate on the Public Test Wiki on Miraheze. --[[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]] ([[User talk:DarkMatterMan4500|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/DarkMatterMan4500|contribs]]) 13:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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== [[User:CptViraj]] ==
=== Neutral ===
:{{neutral}}--[[User:S871|S871]] ([[User talk:S871|talk]]) 00:09, 1 May 2022 (UTC)


Please delete my userpage, Thanks! -- [[User:CptViraj|CptViraj]] ([[User talk:CptViraj|talk]]) 05:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
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*{{Done}} --[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 08:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
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== Spam abuse filters ==
== Should the policy be updated now? ==
Seeing as this has majority support, should one of the bureaucrats update the policy to reflect the new time? Or do we have to get a Steward's approval for policy changes? [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 14:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)


I'd like to propose that we enable automatic blocking on our anti-spam abuse filters, as they have a rare false positive rate (and we can just unblock if there is a false positive). [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
== CheckUser request ==
* [[User:七海娜娜米2b]]
* [[User:七海娜娜米3b]]
* [[User:想舞花]]
These 2 users are blocked intefinite on Chinese Wikipedia and locked on Wikimedia foundation and [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=30118 this action] is suspected. Thanks! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 16:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{Ping|想舞花}} Could you explain the reason for [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=30118 this action] please? [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 20:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|AlPaD}} I mean: give him permissions other than admin.--[[User:想舞花|想舞花]] ([[User talk:想舞花|talk]]) 23:19, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|想舞花}} Thanks for reply! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 07:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
:Maybe it's their test account. Also, I don't know why being indefinitely blocked on Wikipedia or globally locked on Wikimedia matters here. My Wikimedia account is globally locked and blocked indefinitely on English Wikipedia, but as long as people behave here, I think they should be welcome here. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 20:16, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Seiyena}} I don't think is a test account because he had requested administrator rights, while the test accounts don't need to be requested. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a sockpuppet issue. It's better steward see the issue and let our know if he needs CheckUser. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 07:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
:::I saw it again and maybe I was wrong. In the Chinese Wikipedia there are daily blocked for sockpuppetry and 想舞花 was banned from the Wikimedia foundation while 七海娜娜米 wasn't. I know that even if someone is blocked on Wikimedia they can contribute here and sorry if I was wrong. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 20:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:七海娜娜米2b and 七海娜娜米3b, are technically identical, 想舞花 is not connected to the other two, but the CU results were interesting. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 14:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
::{{Ping|MacFan4000}} Thank you! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 17:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
:::I'm block they account.--[[User:想舞花|想舞花]] ([[User talk:想舞花|talk]]) 05:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
::::They had been blocked with autoblock disabled. I've modified block setting and enabled autoblock.--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 07:32, 6 May 2022 (UTC)


{{Support}} I Do think we could use filter for that. --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 18:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
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:: Good idea, I had considered proposing this for a while but had never got around to it. Blocking is a restricted action though, so this will need to be closed by a stewards. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
::: We also need it because there is no way in hell I am doing [https://testwiki.wiki/images/a/a6/Spambots.png this] again. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 00:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
:::: Geez, I normally mop up the mess the spambots make, and never have I had to give myself the bot flag, nor flood the log like that. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
:'''Agree''', and prompt autoblocks will also prevent the spambots from creating new accounts on the same IP for 24 hours reducing the hit rate and making it easier to find any false positives. We can always tweak the filters that result in immediate blocks if problems occur. It may be advisable to limit blocks only to registered accounts for now since they are so far responsible for nearly all edits that trip the filter. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 23:15, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


It looks like we had another Hell load of Bot accounts today and don't worry Nalekshu I can always do mass blocking if you need me to or want me to do it   just Message me and I'll do it  🙂 --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 04:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
The third line should have been <code>& !page_id == 702</code>. Currently it's checking for spam edits on [[TW:RFP]]... [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 10:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 12:59, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
:Pinging {{ping|Dmehus|p=}}. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 10:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
::Can't admins edit the filters themselves? I know that on another wiki that was possible. Just saying. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 19:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Filters with restricted actions (namely, blocking) can only be edited by Stewards. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 01:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
:It would actually be <code>page_id != 702</code>, since this is an equality check. Also, it's generally good practice to surround any negation that isn't a single function with parentheses, like so: <code>!('x' in y)</code> —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 01:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)


== Help, abuse filter blocked me ==
== In regards to [[User:Seiyena]]. ==


Hi, this is administrator [[User:PorkchopGMX]] editing under a VPN, a different browser, and a new account. I was editing [[user:PorkchopGMX/researchertest|one of my subpages]], planning to delete it and use my [[User:PorkchopGMX test|test account]] to see what it would look like with the “researcher” user group, when the abuse filter thought I was spamming and blocked me indefinitely with autoblock. The only thing I can do right now (besides having to use a VPN) is to email somebody. I don’t know who I should email, so I’m doing this instead. If anybody is skeptical that this is really me, I do have access to my account and can email somebody if they need proof. [[User:PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once|PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once]] ([[User talk:PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once|talk]]) 16:15, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
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::This has already been addressed, by another user. I strongly loathe any sort of 'community block' for [[w:WP:AGF|good-faith]], even marginally good-faith users. Block, CheckUser, rinse, and repeat has been tried, and I'm not keen to go back there, at least not ''yet''. This is a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]-managed affair, and I did suggest it might've been ''too soon'' to grant bureaucrat. In any case, I'm going to work on having [[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] deploy the Miraheze global abuse filter to mitigate this. I don't believe an indefinite suspension of bureaucrat; I would rather manage this a month at a time. If bureaucrat revocation is required, I'll do that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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Hello i already unblocked your main account please Do not use a Vpn i will  GO ahead and Unblock your ip aswell so you can edit --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 16:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi all, I hope this message finds you well.
:Thank you Cocopuff2018, I’m unblocked now. [[User:PorkchopGMX|PorkchopGMX]] ([[User talk:PorkchopGMX|talk]]) 16:43, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
After [[Special:Diff/21471|noticing]] more and more reports regarding Seiyena, I have come to the decision to cast a vote regarding this user.


== Proposal : Remove SocialProfile ==
This user has made '''several''' racist, homophobic and frankly, disgusting comments on this Wiki. They have had chance after chance to stop this behavior and have even been given Administrator permissions after every "apology".
{{Discussion top|{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 22:44, 6 March 2021 (UTC)}}
Frankly, I think they are unfit to be a sysop on this Wiki and I am here to ask for the community's opinion on a blacklist for requesting permissions.
Does anyone even like it? I would certainly support it being removed [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 22:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Pinging {{Ping|Dmehus}} & {{Ping|MacFan4000}} for their opinion. [[User:Trayfel|Trayfel]] ([[Special:Contribs/Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
:<s>I '''honestly don't care''' if it's removed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</s>
:Actually, I '''weakly oppose''' just for the communications options (userboard and such), if somebody wants a wiki user page, they get one, as there's a switch to toggle wiki userpages on. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:24, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} No, it still leaves that stupid banner which people might not want and does random crap like auto-creating user pages and other clutter. It is simply a nuisance to this wiki. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 06:28, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
::: Also, I don't love that non-existent user page titles show up as bluelinks. That probably should be fixed upstream, but until then, I think it should be removed. For what it's worth, it's a [[mhtest:TestWiki:Banned extensions|banned extension]] on [[mhtest:|Public Test Wiki]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 07:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
:I '''strongly support''' removing this extension, at least until such time as [[mw:Extension:SocialProfile|SocialProfile]]'s extension developers migrate the social profiles to a <code>UserProfile</code> namespace and move wiki user pages where they rightly belong, in <code>User</code> namespace. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
:{{Support}} I would like a good userpage, instead, a box fill-in, pushing my userpage to<code>UserWiki</code> namespace. [[User:Harpsicorder|Harpsicorder]] ([[User talk:Harpsicorder|talk]]) 19:04, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
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== "High chance of spam" filters and false positives ==
:Question: Is this blacklist intended to be temporary or indefinite? [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 19:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
::Considering the amount of abuse you have contributed towards this Wiki, I would say if granted, the RFP blacklist would be indefinite. [[User:Trayfel|Trayfel]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:30, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Trayfel}} Hello! Maybe for a while she should be blocked from some namespaces and have lower rights (autopatrol, researcher etc). [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 19:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
::::I like AlPad's idea, and wouldn't be against a temporary blacklist, to be honest. I don't like the indefinite idea, but do feel that maybe temporary is warranted. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 19:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::With all due regards Sieyena, this isn't down to you. {{Ping|AlPaD}} I agree, I think an indefinite blacklist from sysop permissions with the exception of Seiyena being allowed Autopatrol and researcher. Thoughts? [[User:Trayfel|Trayfel]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
I know that I can't make this decision by myself, but I do think I should at least be able to offer my views on this matter. My proposal is a temporary blacklist from requesting permissions together with a partial block from the Talk namespace and maybe the Request Permissions page. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 21:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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The spam filters have recently falsely blocked two users ([[User:PorkchopGMX]] and [[User:Dmehus]]) as spammers that were not. As a temporary solution [[User:MacFan4000]] has set them to just disallow again, but [https://testwiki.wiki/images/a/a6/Spambots.png they clearly need to block] provided we can remove false positives.
:Noting that the aforementioned abuse filter has been deployed. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 01:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)


I suggest requiring 0 edits for block. Generally spambots trip this filter on their first edit, so anyone who has made any successful edits is likely not a spambot. Any other ideas? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
== Lift protection on [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] ==
: The filter should also require the creation of a new page. It already does for one of the filters, but it should for the other too. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
: I'm a bit confused, perhaps. Wouldn't requiring 0 edits to block ''increase'' the false positive blocks? Administrators are active here, and can revert spam quickly. I'd suggest just setting it to either warn or disallow permanently, with anyone with <code>autopatrol</code> in their '''user_rights''' exempted from the filter. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
::I don't think so. Most administrators have more than 1 edit. I support requiring 0 edits. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Dmehus}} How would narrowing when blocks are placed increase false positives? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 00:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
:::: Well, in my case, I only had one edit, and maybe I'm not understanding the central idea idea, but wouldn't ''reducing'' the edit requirement mean I would've been blocked when I made my permission request? Note that I never tried to add an external link&mdash;it was just an [[Special:Interwiki|interwiki]] link. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::No, because your permissions request didn’t contain anything that would trip the filter. Also, I just tested that change, and it doesn’t work because most spambots are seeming to first make a change to their SocialProfile, which I guess counts as an edit. Or at least & user_editcount == 0 nothing trips the filter when I test it. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 13:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
::::::Oh, okay, well, I suppose it doesn't hurt to try it then, since you've tested the filter against recent edits. Plus, yeah, spam only accounts ''do'' tend add spammy links into their social profiles. Having said that, on some wikis on Miraheze what we do is simply add the SocialProfile-related rights to <code>autoconfirmed</code>, and that stops the spam only accounts cold, with minimal impacts on legitimate users. Also, if the above community proposal passes, this may end up being moot. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 15:57, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::::If the above community proposal fails, I '''support''' moving updateprofile into autoconfirmed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


== Justarandomamerican request for stewardship (2) ==
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{{Discussion top|Unsuccessful [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 20:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)}}
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::{{Done|[[Special:Redirect/logid/31337|Done, at least temporarily]]}}, [[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] et al., chiefly since [[Test Wiki:Interface administrators|interface administrator]] granting and revocation has since been restricted to Stewards for mainly security purposes, but ''do'' note we reserve the right to reinstate [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] protection for this high impact CSS interface page depending on if [[w:WP:BEANS|BEANSey]] things happen. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:59, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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Statement by requestor: I'd like to request the globe again. I've been active and taking out the trash, and now my account is not newly registered. CU and Oversight rights would be helpful in performing maintenance and counter-vandalism and spam. (which I regularly do) It's been approximately a month since my last request, and I feel I have addressed the opposing argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Could the steward-only create protection on [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] be removed? I'm trying to deploy some styles to get the {{tl|mbox}} series of templates properly working. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 01:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 
: {{Support}}. I also thought the other day I was going to work with styles, but it was blocked. — Regards, [[U:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''Kazrok4545'''''</span>]] [[UT:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''<small>Talk</small>'''''</span>]] 13:44, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
===Support===
: {{Support}} I think the limitations on the MediaWiki:common page are; must be granted bureaucrat permits [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 09:18, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
'''Procedural support''' as requestor and per my requesting argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.'' </div>


===Oppose===
== [[Special:AbuseFilter/89|Filter 89]] ==
# Wasn't planning to comment but then I noticed canvassing at [[User_talk:LukeSkywalker26]]. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 02:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Looks like we're getting a few false positives here; I fixed a typo on an AbuseFilter warning and apparently I was disallowed. See [https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?wptarget=3PPYB6 my abuse log] for reference.
#: '''Comment''': It was a friendly message, not intending to influence discussion in a way. I really shouldn't have to clarify that. I was not intending to canvass, influencing discussion, but rather help to fully achieve consensus. (Notice all the neutrals.) Please remember to [[W:WP:AGF|assume good faith]]. [[W:WP:CANVASS]] [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
#Telling someone to assume good faith as a method of deflecting valid criticism is not something someone with steward rights should be doing. I'll also add that it might not be canvassing per se, but it certainly is not something I would do. Clearly it could affect the outcome of this. In addition, this wiki does not appear to need more stewards.  --[[User:ImprovedWikiImprovment|IWI]] ([[User talk:ImprovedWikiImprovment|talk]]) 19:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


===Neutral/Abstain===
@[[User:Kazrok4545|Kazrok4545]]—Courtesy ping if you have ideas. Thanks. [[User:3PPYB6|3PPYB6]] ([[User talk:3PPYB6|talk]]) 16:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
* I'm not familiar with this wiki's policy requirements on access to personally identifying information. If <code>suppressor</code> can be granted independent of <code>checkuser</code>, this is something I could potentially support. My interactions with you, assuming you're the same Justarandomliberal on Miraheze, have been fine, though I don't know you well enough to support for Steward on this wiki. At the same time, MacFan4000 and Void are active enough on this wiki to perform any CheckUser functions, I think. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:56, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
:This is the result of the filter filtering for the <code><nowiki><br></nowiki></code> tag, which is a very common indicator of spam. This is actually unnecessary (already in another filter), so I've removed it and extended the exempted groups. {{ping|Kazrok4545}} I've temporarily disabled the filter pending clarification on its intent, were you intending to do something akin to [[Special:AbuseFilter/88|filter 88]], or was this intended to be an addition to [[Special:AbuseFilter/52|filter 52]]? —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 20:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
*'''Comment''':The requirements for PII here are just pretty much pass a RfS and follow the privacy policy. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
::Sorry, I forgot to switch off this filter. It was created for testing. It is advisable to add these words to filter 52. — Regards, [[U:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''Kazrok4545'''''</span>]] [[UT:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''<small>Talk</small>'''''</span>]] 12:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
** {{ping|Dmehus}} Personally I think Oversight is a ''more'' larger deal than CheckUser. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
*** {{ping|Naleksuh}} Potentially, yes, that's true, though I'm not sure what information may have been suppressed. If it is IP addresses, largely, of users who edited while logged out, then it's probably the same. If it's grossly insulting and potentially libelous or defamatory information requiring suppression, then the concern for me is whether the user will be trusted not to divulge that information. The same is true of CheckUser, certainly, though. It's probably a wash, really, with you believing Oversight is the greater concern and me believing CheckUser is the greater concern. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
*Neutral I'm sorry but I agree with Dmehus I feel we don't need more Stewards Sorry --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 01:52, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Only one steward is active in a community capacity (MacFan). The other is mostly active as a system administrator, semi-active in a community capacity. (which is completely fine) We need one more active steward in a community capacity, certainly. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:19, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
*Abstain While all my interactions so far with Justarandomamerican have been positive, I don't feel I know them (as well as their contributions here) well enough yet in order to be able to vote yes/no on this matter. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 19:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
{{Discussion bottom}}
== Proposal: [[Test Wiki:No open proxies policy|No open proxies policy]] ==
{{Discussion top|Involved closure, but consensus is unanimous here. Nobody had an opposing or neutral argument. Cheers, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)}}


'''Community proposal:'''  To establish as official policy, subject to amendment at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]], [[Test Wiki:No open proxies policy|No open proxies policy]]. Such policy shall prohibit open proxies, somewhat broadly construed, VPNs, and web hosts from being used for anonymous editing or account creation. On discovery, a Steward shall soft block with account creation disabled and talk page access revoked said IP range(s) for a period of not less than three (3) and not more than twenty four (24) months. Logged in editors may use them, as is the case on [[mhmeta:No open proxies policy|Miraheze]], as at least the user will have been likely required to identify their personal IP to [[Special:CreateAccount|create an account]]. Where, upon discovery, an account was created by a VPN/open proxy, Steward discretion applies as to whether to block, or require a confirmation edit from a Wikimedia or Miraheze wiki. Steward discretion in terms of the length of the block/rangeblock applies, within the defined parameters, but the community recomments at least six (6) months for obvious cases. Where open proxies/VPNs are being used on this wiki by anonymous users, the open proxies/VPNs may be blocked by any <code>sysop</code>, subject to the same discretion as outlined above.
== Rename Account ==


=== Support ===
Hi,
* '''Strong support''' as proposer. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Open proxies have probably been used for long term abuse since this wiki began. This would help stop that. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
* {{Support}} While I'm very new here, I've heard this wiki has had some unfortunate instances of trolling and vandalism. In my experience, allowing account creations from open proxies/VPNs as well as anonymous editing for them usually causes trouble. There has been a NOPP in place at Miraheze since the beginning of 2017 and having a clear policy on the matter could be helpful and allow for routine soft blocks of VPNs and open proxies. While of course a policy likely won't stop trolls, it would make it easier to immediately soft block VPNs and open proxies once they are discovered. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 18:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


=== Oppose ===
Could you please rename my account Videojeux4 to HeartsDo, please.


(Proof: [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:HeartsDo here]) [[User:Videojeux4|Videojeux4]] ([[User talk:Videojeux4|talk]]) 04:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
:Pinging {{Ping|Dmehus}} {{Ping|MacFan4000}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Videojeux4|HeartsDo]], though I don't likely doubt this to be you, would you mind confirming your Test Wiki account from your Miraheze account? Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
:I know the account to be legit. {{Done}}. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 03:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks! :p [[User:HeartsDo|HeartsDo]] ([[User talk:HeartsDo|talk]]) 16:41, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


=== Neutral/Abstain ===
== Block Request ==


=== Comments ===
Hello, I think it would be good if I took a break from here for a bit. Could someone please block me for a few days, like maybe until May 1? Thank you very much. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 09:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
* "soft block with account creation disabled " Soft block inherently means having this ''enabled'', what did you mean here? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 20:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Seiyena}} I am willing to give out the block, on condition that:
*:[[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] Yeah, I know that, but I just added that "with account creation disabled" for users who may not know that that's inherent with a soft IP block. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
:# You agree not to evade your block using sockpuppets.
* Soft blocking all open proxies upon discovery is a bit much for only stewards to do. There are only 2 stewards around here, unless the RfS above passes (might have a No Consensus closure with all those neutrals). Maybe change it to stewards or bureaucrats? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
:# You agree to be hard-blocked (i.e. with autoblock enabled).
*:Oh, sure, that's no problem, but to be clear, I just mean if they discovered open proxies in the course of a CheckUser from an abuse investigation, but if anonymous IPs are being used publicly on this wiki, any <code>sysop</code> could block. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 03:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
:[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 10:51, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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::I agree to both conditions.[[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 11:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
:::You have now been blocked. Enjoy your break. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 11:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)


== Proposal: Bureaucrat rights only for trusted users ==
== Any thoughts on this proposed change to filter 88? ==
{{Discussion top|{{Not done|Unsuccessful}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC)}}
'''Proposal:''' Bureaucrat rights are not given to every user 24 h after admin rights request, rather trusted users. With 'crat rights there are not really any extra testing possibilities but currently it isn't possible to protect pages so that only experienced/trusted users ('crats), who aren't stewards can edit them because everybody can get bureaucrat within 24-48 hours. Since <code>checkuser-limited</code> is also available to sysops, nearly all test features are also possible for admins. Also currently there is only one (1) <small>I only counted stewards, not interface admins</small> user who is active (made edits/log enries in the last 30 days) who has a right that is not given out to everybody.


=== Support ===
Right now filter 88 is set to simply disallow the action that is trying to be performed. Given the number of recent triggers to that filter, maybe that should be changed to instead issue a 3-day block any time the filter is triggered as well as remove from any special groups like admin or bureaucrat. I think that might make it more effective at its job and also not cause it to be triggered so much. This proposal would need a steward's help to implement if it's approved since it involves adding restricted actions. But I do think this might be beneficial to the target of the filter.
*{{support}}. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 14:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
*<s>{{support}} --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 12:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC) <small>Comment: I agree with the proposer, the only extra testing possibilities are <code>deletelogentry</code>, <code>nuke</code> and <code>import</code>. If [[User:Blueexes]] would have been waiting 24 hours to get bureaucrat right and removed rights from every bureaucrat than waiting for a steward would have been necessary. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 20:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC); Recent block regarding me by [[User:Ronjapatch|Ronjapatch]] is also a perfect example why I support this proposal. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 21:17, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small></s>
*:Well, in that scenario, they wouldn't have been able to remove the <code>bureaucrat</code> bit from other bureaucrats, so worse case is there might've been some wheel-warring among bureaucrats and administrators (though hopefully not). Additionally, a steward is usually only a ping or two away. Even if MacFan4000 is away and Void isn't in the <code>#testadminwiki</code> channel on IRC, you need only ping me on IRC, and I can ping Void on Discord to take care of it. As I say, perhaps the requirements could be raised a bit, but this proposal isn't it. Best to close it and send it back to the drawing board and propose something else. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
*{{Support}}. --[[User:Anton|Anton]] ([[User talk:Anton|talk]]) 14:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
*<s>{{Support}}. –[[User:Olipino|Olipino]] ([[User talk:Olipino|talk]])  01:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)</s>


=== Oppose ===
Any thoughts on whether this is a good or bad idea? [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 12:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
* {{Oppose}} as the edit requirement is too high. Arbitrary edit count limits may actually encourage artificial or test edits in a sandbox. I'd be supportive of extending the timeframe from 24 hours to, say, 4 days, and require the user to have <code>autoconfirmed</code> privileges, but as written, though a [[w:WP:AGF|good-faith]] proposal, I can't support this. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
* {{Oppose}} This is a test wiki. I am in favor of increasing the requirements but what is proposed is excessive. [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 00:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC); <small>'''(something like 3 days and 50 edits will be good)''' [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 21:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small>
*:Not 50 edits, that's far too high. I'd support increasing the number of days to 4 days, but keep the edit requirements to 10-20. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
* {{Oppose}} –[[User:Olipino|Olipino]] ([[User talk:Olipino|talk]])  00:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
* <s>{{Oppose}} I am favourable of increasing said requirements, but as [[User:LocoSalas|@LocoSalas]] said, this is excessive. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Ronja</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Ronjapatch|u]] • [[User talk:Ronjapatch|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ronjapatch|c]])''</small> 06:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC) </s> <small> Blocked user [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 21:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small>


=== Neutral/Abstain ===
:I see no problem if there are at least two non-steward users who can modify that filter. [[:wikipedia:Oligarchy|Oligarchy]] is not really a nice way to work, especially in wikis. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 17:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
* I agree that 50 edits is too high but an increase of requirements is still necessary. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 21:55, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
::Currently, filters with restricted actions (i.e. block, rangeblock, and degroup; though the later two aren't enabled at all here) can only be edited by Stewards. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 15:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
=== Comments ===
:::I know. I'm waiting for [[Test Wiki:Community portal/06#Filter #52|this]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 20:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
* How to identify "trusted user"? By edits or others?<span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 04:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
'''Proposal:'''
* Users need to have sysop rights for at least fourteen (14) days
* Users need at least <code>XX</code> <sub>Suggestions are welcome</sub> edits
** a significant number of the edits need to be constructive, not only testing edits
* Users need to show, that they are familiar with the [[Test Wiki:Policy|Test Wiki policies]] and that they have made edits/log entries recently that show that the users is working constructively.
::Seems well. How about 7 days+50 edits like zhwp`s autoconfirmed user? Besides, remember to sign using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 13:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Seems like a good time period and edit count. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 19:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
*Let`s start voting: Add following content to [[Test_Wiki:Bureaucrats]].
{{quotebox-2|
{{fakeh2|Standard}}
* Users need to have sysop rights for at least 7 days
* Users need at least <code>50</code> edits
*: a significant number of the edits need to be constructive, not only testing edits.
* Users need to show, that they are familiar with the [[Test Wiki:Policy|Test Wiki policies]] and that they have made edits/log entries recently that show that the users is working constructively.}}
<span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 14:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|Morneo06}} and {{re|ZhuofanWu}}, so you are saying <code>'crat</code> flag should be granted only to those users who have been here for a while and have made a dozens of helpful contributions? Why is it necessary?–[[User:Olipino|Olipino]] ([[User talk:Olipino|talk]])  12:42, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
:::{{re|Olipino}}Since BCs can grant him/herself <code>Bot</code> right, which can hide vandal edits or logs from recent changes unless you choose not to hide bot edits in the page. In a word, to prevent vandalism. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 12:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
::::In my opinion, 3 days and 50 edits would be more suitable. [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 02:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
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== Rename request ==
== Name Change Request ==


Could a steward please rename me into ''CrazyFisherman''? Thanks. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 23:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi, can I please get my name changed to Bastrop? Thanks! [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 19:16, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] Do you intend to use the username '''CrazyFisherman''' for the long-term, and is this part of a synchronization of your username across other wiki farms/wikis? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
::Yes, I entend to use it for a long term but it is not part of any synchronization. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 07:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Okay, sounds good. I'll ping MacFan4000. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
::::{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 22:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)


== Question ==
:{{ping|Seiyena}} Pings will only work if you add your signature in the same edit in which you add the ping. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 13:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)


Hi, I have a question. Templates [[Template:Citation Style documentation/agency|like this]] are necessary? They are not used on any page, as this is not Wikipedia. It seems to me that the appropriate thing would be to delete these types of templates. What do you think? [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 07:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Now I realize I messed up the ping yet again lol. Trying this again. {{ping|MacFan4000}} or {{ping|Dmehus}} Thanks! [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 08:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
:They are orphaned, if nobody opposes, feel free to delete the templates. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Ronja</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Ronjapatch|u]] • [[User talk:Ronjapatch|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ronjapatch|c]])''</small> 10:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)


== Can my name be changed please? ==
== Proposed amendment to [[Test Wiki:Bots]] ==


I'd like my name here to be changed to Seiyena please. Thank you! [[User:Fiona|Fiona]] ([[User talk:Fiona|talk]]) 01:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
=== Proposal ===
It is proposed that [[Test Wiki:Bots]] be amended [[Special:Diff/22074|as described]] at [[Test Wiki:Bots|the policy page]]. The <code>bot</code> flag [[rfc:2119|'''must not''']] be granted by [[Test Wiki:Stewards|non-test administrators]] on Test Wiki permanently. Requests for permanent/indefinite <code>bot</code> flags [[rfc:2119|''should'']] be made at [[Test Wiki:Bot approval requests]]. Requests should articulate the described particulars, at minimum. Bureaucrats may grant themselves the <code>bot</code> temporarily, for no more than twenty-four (24) hours, provided they state a clear and valid reason in their log summary. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)


Can this be done? I like the name Seiyena more than Fiona because it seems more unique. [[User:Fiona|Fiona]] ([[User talk:Fiona|talk]]) 20:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
'''Rationale:'''
: {{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
* Provides for consistent approval of indefinitely/permanently-granted <code>bot</code> flags;
* Ensures bureaucrats and administrators are transparently disclosing all edits and log actions; and,
* Provides overall clarity.


== Adding Archive Header to [[Test Wiki:Request permissions]] ==
==== Support ====
*{{Support}} I agree with it. <del>Though I don't oppose it, [[#Counter-proposal]] seems bit complicated to me.</del>
**Still, I'm confused about 1 sentence. "The bot flag '''must not''' be granted by '''non-test administrators''' on Test Wiki permanently". "non-test administrators" means steward, correct? Must '''not''' steward grant permanent bot flag? I'm not good at English, so I may have mistranslated that(I'm terribly sorry if so), but could you recheck that sentence, please?--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 08:00, 2 May 2022 (UTC) <small>Modify. On second thought.--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 09:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</small>
*{{Support}} Per nom. [[User:I_am_One|I am one]] ([[User_talk:I_am_One|as you are three]]) 12:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


Hello all, Currently i added an Archive Header for all archived Pages Current Version of [[User:Sakura emad/header|/header]], Posted to just let you know for censuses. Thank you [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 11:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
==== Neutral/Abstain ====
just need some help with Main Page button cuz it does not work properly
:and i can't fix it for now thank you  [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 12:21, 26 September 2021 (UTC)


::{{done}} [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 17:21, 2 October 2021 (UTC)


== Restriction of Administrator rights ==
==== Oppose ====
* {{Oppose}} –[[User:CrazyFisherman|CrazyFisherman]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 20:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC) isn't necessary at all


Hello everyone
=== Counter-proposal ===
I want to explain something important to the community, it's about verification and Users who should or shouldn't have the right of admin, as for testing we already know this is a Test wiki where you can Test administrator actions, I would like to ask should we recklessly give Admin and bureaucrat right to anyone without confirming if they're Known users on Wikipedia?, I think we should ask them to confirm their account on Meta to know whether they get to benefit from using MediaWiki Tools or just for Fun.
As an alternative to the above primary proposal, the primary proposal is adopted ''except'' the <code>bot</code> flag is restricted technically to being granted by [[Test Wiki:Stewards|stewards]] and a new <code>[[Test Wiki:Pseudobots|pseudobot]]</code> or <code>[[Test Wiki:Flooders|flood]]</code> group is created for temporary uses, which may be granted by bureaucrats along the same terms as the primary propose. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
what do you think?


:Thanks  [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 17:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
'''Note:''' It is possible for you to support both the primary and counter-proposals and for both to pass.


:{{comment}}This issue may be against of privacy, while I'd like to say some of them may not be really well-famed Wikipedia users.[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]])
==== Support ====
:: {{comment|Reply}} i am not saying we should not give i am saying we just have to install the verification level to know about the Person we give those Rights, Because we don't know if the User is Vandal or Constructive, my Request is nothing but installing a level of verifiably that shows user's Account on Meta or other websites account. [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 14:35, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
* {{support}} creation of the <code>flood</code> user group and {{oppose}} restricting the <code>bot</code> group to steward-only. However, I also {{support}} <em>disallowing</em> bureaucrats from granting themself <code>bot</code> (or <code>flood</code>) indefinitely unless they promises to revoke it after a short while (less than 24 hours, after which another crat may revoke the flag(s)). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 03:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
:::{{comment|Reply}} Even though they may be LTAs on metawiki or cross-wiki, you couldn't said they aren't come here for learning how to build castles in sandboxs as students. And some of them really don't want other known their account on Meta, for several reasons.[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 00:09, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
*: By the way, presuming <code>flood</code> consists of only one rights, <code>bot</code>, an admin-flooder will be able to do everything a bot can, apart from preventing notification when marking an edit as minor (<code>minornotalk</code>). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 03:46, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
::::{{comment|Reply}} ok let's hear other's opinion about that, thank you for the interest {{emoji|1F60A|size=28}} [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 01:33, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
*{{Support}} As Public TestWiki. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 14:31, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
I don't think it is necessary or has any advantages to ask for meta confirmation. There was a proposal about restricting bureaucrat rights some months ago which wasn't successful. –[[User:CrazyFisherman|CrazyFisherman]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 22:05, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|千村狐免}},please take a look of this change.
::{{ping|千村狐免}},please take a look of this change.
[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 10:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Pavlov2}}What?--[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'><i></i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 12:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
:{{comment}}I don't think the administrator's authority should be restricted, even if it is the long-term abuse of meta-wiki or cross-wiki.--[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 12:40, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
: discussion closed i withdraw.[[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 12:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


== Request Desysopped for Kapol1234 and a check user  ==
==== Neutral/Abstain ====
{{Neutral}} [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 11:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)


USER:Kapol1234  misused his administrator tools and blocked me wrongly said I'm using sockpuppets. But I can make a promise that these account such as Pavlov3 and MCC214 is definitely not controlled by me. Thus I came here to request for a desysopped for Kapol1234 and a check user between This account, Pavlov3, MCC214 and Kapol1234 himself.{{ping|MacFan4000}}
{{Neutral}} --[[User:想舞花|想舞花]] ([[User talk:想舞花|talk]]) 05:53, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 08:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


{{ping|MacFan4000}}, In addition, I will be appreciate if you or other Steward could take a look of Kapol1234's log of using administrator tools. Much thanks.[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 08:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
{{Neutral}} — Regards, [[U:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''Kazrok4545'''''</span>]] [[UT:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''<small>Talk</small>'''''</span>]] 13:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
{{ping|Sakura emad}}[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 08:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


These sockpuppets is not controlled by me , and l think it is controlled by Pavlov2 , because he had using sockpuppets before in Uncyclopedia , lf you check the sockpuppets and my account , please check Pavlov2 same.[[User:Kapol1234|Kapol1234]] ([[User talk:Kapol1234|talk]]) 09:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC){{ping|Sakura emad}}{{ping|MacFan4000}} {{unsigned|kapol1234| 09:38, 11 October 2021}}
{{Neutral}} - Although complicated and long winded, I do prefer and agree with [[#Counter-proposal]]. [[User:Trayfel|Trayfel]] ([[Special:Contribs/Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 10:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


i have no technical abilities to check any user's information. [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 13:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
==== Oppose ====
* {{Oppose}} –[[User:CrazyFisherman|CrazyFisherman]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 20:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC) per abvoe


{{ping|Kapol1234}}You should participate in the steward election to obtain Check user rights.--[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 12:38, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
=== General comments ===

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Mind if I suggest something?

Should the policy be updated now?

Seeing as this has majority support, should one of the bureaucrats update the policy to reflect the new time? Or do we have to get a Steward's approval for policy changes? Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 14:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CheckUser request

These 2 users are blocked intefinite on Chinese Wikipedia and locked on Wikimedia foundation and this action is suspected. Thanks! AlPaD (talk) 16:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@想舞花: Could you explain the reason for this action please? AlPaD (talk) 20:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@AlPaD: I mean: give him permissions other than admin.--想舞花 (talk) 23:19, 22 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@想舞花: Thanks for reply! AlPaD (talk) 07:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Maybe it's their test account. Also, I don't know why being indefinitely blocked on Wikipedia or globally locked on Wikimedia matters here. My Wikimedia account is globally locked and blocked indefinitely on English Wikipedia, but as long as people behave here, I think they should be welcome here. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 20:16, 22 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Seiyena: I don't think is a test account because he had requested administrator rights, while the test accounts don't need to be requested. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a sockpuppet issue. It's better steward see the issue and let our know if he needs CheckUser. AlPaD (talk) 07:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I saw it again and maybe I was wrong. In the Chinese Wikipedia there are daily blocked for sockpuppetry and 想舞花 was banned from the Wikimedia foundation while 七海娜娜米 wasn't. I know that even if someone is blocked on Wikimedia they can contribute here and sorry if I was wrong. AlPaD (talk) 20:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
七海娜娜米2b and 七海娜娜米3b, are technically identical, 想舞花 is not connected to the other two, but the CU results were interesting. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 14:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@MacFan4000: Thank you! AlPaD (talk) 17:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm block they account.--想舞花 (talk) 05:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
They had been blocked with autoblock disabled. I've modified block setting and enabled autoblock.--Q8j (talk) 07:32, 6 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Special:AbuseFilter/52

The third line should have been & !page_id == 702. Currently it's checking for spam edits on TW:RFP... NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 10:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging @Dmehus. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 10:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Can't admins edit the filters themselves? I know that on another wiki that was possible. Just saying. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 19:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Filters with restricted actions (namely, blocking) can only be edited by Stewards. — Arcversin (talk) 01:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It would actually be page_id != 702, since this is an equality check. Also, it's generally good practice to surround any negation that isn't a single function with parentheses, like so: !('x' in y) — Arcversin (talk) 01:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In regards to User:Seiyena.

Noting that the aforementioned abuse filter has been deployed. — Arcversin (talk) 01:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lift protection on MediaWiki:Common.css

Filter 89

Looks like we're getting a few false positives here; I fixed a typo on an AbuseFilter warning and apparently I was disallowed. See my abuse log for reference.

@Kazrok4545—Courtesy ping if you have ideas. Thanks. —3PPYB6 (talk) 16:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is the result of the filter filtering for the <br> tag, which is a very common indicator of spam. This is actually unnecessary (already in another filter), so I've removed it and extended the exempted groups. @Kazrok4545: I've temporarily disabled the filter pending clarification on its intent, were you intending to do something akin to filter 88, or was this intended to be an addition to filter 52? — Arcversin (talk) 20:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, I forgot to switch off this filter. It was created for testing. It is advisable to add these words to filter 52. — Regards, Kazrok4545 Talk 12:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Rename Account

Hi,

Could you please rename my account Videojeux4 to HeartsDo, please.

(Proof: here) Videojeux4 (talk) 04:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging @Dmehus: @MacFan4000: AlPaD (talk) 05:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
HeartsDo, though I don't likely doubt this to be you, would you mind confirming your Test Wiki account from your Miraheze account? Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 02:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know the account to be legit.  Done. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 03:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks! :p HeartsDo (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Block Request

Hello, I think it would be good if I took a break from here for a bit. Could someone please block me for a few days, like maybe until May 1? Thank you very much. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 09:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Seiyena: I am willing to give out the block, on condition that:
  1. You agree not to evade your block using sockpuppets.
  2. You agree to be hard-blocked (i.e. with autoblock enabled).
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 10:51, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree to both conditions.Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 11:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You have now been blocked. Enjoy your break. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 11:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Any thoughts on this proposed change to filter 88?

Right now filter 88 is set to simply disallow the action that is trying to be performed. Given the number of recent triggers to that filter, maybe that should be changed to instead issue a 3-day block any time the filter is triggered as well as remove from any special groups like admin or bureaucrat. I think that might make it more effective at its job and also not cause it to be triggered so much. This proposal would need a steward's help to implement if it's approved since it involves adding restricted actions. But I do think this might be beneficial to the target of the filter.

Any thoughts on whether this is a good or bad idea? Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 12:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I see no problem if there are at least two non-steward users who can modify that filter. Oligarchy is not really a nice way to work, especially in wikis. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 17:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Currently, filters with restricted actions (i.e. block, rangeblock, and degroup; though the later two aren't enabled at all here) can only be edited by Stewards. — Arcversin (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know. I'm waiting for this. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 20:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Name Change Request

Hi, can I please get my name changed to Bastrop? Thanks! Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 19:16, 30 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Seiyena: Pings will only work if you add your signature in the same edit in which you add the ping. — Arcversin (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Now I realize I messed up the ping yet again lol. Trying this again. @MacFan4000: or @Dmehus: Thanks! Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 08:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Proposed amendment to Test Wiki:Bots

Proposal

It is proposed that Test Wiki:Bots be amended as described at the policy page. The bot flag must not be granted by non-test administrators on Test Wiki permanently. Requests for permanent/indefinite bot flags should be made at Test Wiki:Bot approval requests. Requests should articulate the described particulars, at minimum. Bureaucrats may grant themselves the bot temporarily, for no more than twenty-four (24) hours, provided they state a clear and valid reason in their log summary. Dmehus (talk) 23:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rationale:

  • Provides for consistent approval of indefinitely/permanently-granted bot flags;
  • Ensures bureaucrats and administrators are transparently disclosing all edits and log actions; and,
  • Provides overall clarity.

Support

  •  Support I agree with it. Though I don't oppose it, #Counter-proposal seems bit complicated to me.
    • Still, I'm confused about 1 sentence. "The bot flag must not be granted by non-test administrators on Test Wiki permanently". "non-test administrators" means steward, correct? Must not steward grant permanent bot flag? I'm not good at English, so I may have mistranslated that(I'm terribly sorry if so), but could you recheck that sentence, please?--Q8j (talk) 08:00, 2 May 2022 (UTC) Modify. On second thought.--Q8j (talk) 09:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support Per nom. I am one (as you are three) 12:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neutral/Abstain

Oppose

Counter-proposal

As an alternative to the above primary proposal, the primary proposal is adopted except the bot flag is restricted technically to being granted by stewards and a new pseudobot or flood group is created for temporary uses, which may be granted by bureaucrats along the same terms as the primary propose. Dmehus (talk) 23:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note: It is possible for you to support both the primary and counter-proposals and for both to pass.

Support

Neutral/Abstain

Neutral LisafBia (talk) 11:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neutral --想舞花 (talk) 05:53, 6 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neutral — Regards, Kazrok4545 Talk 13:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Neutral - Although complicated and long winded, I do prefer and agree with #Counter-proposal. Trayfel • ( Edits | Talk ) 10:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose

General comments