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== Oversight role? ==
== Mind if I suggest something? ==
{{ping|MacFan4000|Void}} Do you think it'd be possible to get an oversight role? [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 14:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Seemplez}} I'm just gonna bump in here, but there's no need for it right now. From what I've seen, everything is fine, and the CheckUser right isn't really needed either, the only use for the Steward permission is that it can revoke bureaucrat permissions from a user. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 17:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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::I think we already have both kinds of oversight on this wiki, from google I saw https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/oversight which is revision deletion you should already be able to do the admin kind of revision deletion, there is also the suppress kind, which was done to a few entries a long time ago by MacFan4000, but for that you need to be in the [[Test Wiki:Suppress|suppress user group]] and only the stewards can assign that. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 18:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
::Consensus in favor of extending the (non-steward/sysadmin) inactivity period to 3 months. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 22:58, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
:If a steward thinks you should have it, and assigns it to you, or you become a steward, then yes. Otherwise, no. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Fast|Justarandomamerican|BlackWidowMovie0}} Thanks. [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 11:29, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Instead of having your access to the admin tools after 1 month goes by without activity, why not just have it be 3 months instead? I'd say that 1 month is a bit too short, and I'm not sure how one month would be enough of a reason. --[[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]] ([[User talk:DarkMatterMan4500|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/DarkMatterMan4500|contribs]]) 13:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{Ping|MacFan4000}} {{Ping|Dmehus}} Hello! How long will the proposal close? [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 12:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
==== Supports ====
: {{Support}} I like this idea, and can't see any drawbacks to it. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 16:27, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
: {{Support}} I think it should be extended. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 16:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
: {{Support}} Per nom. [[User:I_am_One|I am one]] ([[User_talk:I_am_One|as you are three]]) 23:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
: {{Support}} I absolutely agree with that! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 14:19, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 
=== Oppose ===
:{{oppose}} We're giving out adminship and 'cratship as if they were candies. Isn't that good enough? [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 10:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
::It's definitely good but it would save bureaucrats some work by not having to re-add user rights so often and also save everyone else the hassle of having to ask for the rights again after just a short one-month hiatus. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 12:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
:::{{u|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh}} Being honest, revocation of an advanced permission after 1 month just seems too short, and I'd recommend at least 3 months, as it's usually fair, in terms of how we all operate on the Public Test Wiki on Miraheze. --[[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]] ([[User talk:DarkMatterMan4500|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/DarkMatterMan4500|contribs]]) 13:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 
=== Neutral ===
:{{neutral}}--[[User:S871|S871]] ([[User talk:S871|talk]]) 00:09, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 
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== Should the policy be updated now? ==
Seeing as this has majority support, should one of the bureaucrats update the policy to reflect the new time? Or do we have to get a Steward's approval for policy changes? [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 14:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== CheckUser request ==
* [[User:七海娜娜米2b]]
* [[User:七海娜娜米3b]]
* [[User:想舞花]]
These 2 users are blocked intefinite on Chinese Wikipedia and locked on Wikimedia foundation and [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=30118 this action] is suspected. Thanks! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 16:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{Ping|想舞花}} Could you explain the reason for [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=30118 this action] please? [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 20:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
::{{ping|AlPaD}} I mean: give him permissions other than admin.--[[User:想舞花|想舞花]] ([[User talk:想舞花|talk]]) 23:19, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|想舞花}} Thanks for reply! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 07:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
:Maybe it's their test account. Also, I don't know why being indefinitely blocked on Wikipedia or globally locked on Wikimedia matters here. My Wikimedia account is globally locked and blocked indefinitely on English Wikipedia, but as long as people behave here, I think they should be welcome here. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 20:16, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Seiyena}} I don't think is a test account because he had requested administrator rights, while the test accounts don't need to be requested. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a sockpuppet issue. It's better steward see the issue and let our know if he needs CheckUser. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 07:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
:::I saw it again and maybe I was wrong. In the Chinese Wikipedia there are daily blocked for sockpuppetry and 想舞花 was banned from the Wikimedia foundation while 七海娜娜米 wasn't. I know that even if someone is blocked on Wikimedia they can contribute here and sorry if I was wrong. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 20:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
:七海娜娜米2b and 七海娜娜米3b, are technically identical, 想舞花 is not connected to the other two, but the CU results were interesting. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 14:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
::{{Ping|MacFan4000}} Thank you! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 17:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
:::I'm block they account.--[[User:想舞花|想舞花]] ([[User talk:想舞花|talk]]) 05:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
::::They had been blocked with autoblock disabled. I've modified block setting and enabled autoblock.--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 07:32, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 
== [[Special:AbuseFilter/52]] ==
 
The third line should have been <code>& !page_id == 702</code>. Currently it's checking for spam edits on [[TW:RFP]]... [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 10:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
:Pinging {{ping|Dmehus|p=}}. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 10:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
::Can't admins edit the filters themselves? I know that on another wiki that was possible. Just saying. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 19:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Filters with restricted actions (namely, blocking) can only be edited by Stewards. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 01:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
:It would actually be <code>page_id != 702</code>, since this is an equality check. Also, it's generally good practice to surround any negation that isn't a single function with parentheses, like so: <code>!('x' in y)</code> —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 01:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== In regards to [[User:Seiyena]]. ==
 
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::This has already been addressed, by another user. I strongly loathe any sort of 'community block' for [[w:WP:AGF|good-faith]], even marginally good-faith users. Block, CheckUser, rinse, and repeat has been tried, and I'm not keen to go back there, at least not ''yet''. This is a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]]-managed affair, and I did suggest it might've been ''too soon'' to grant bureaucrat. In any case, I'm going to work on having [[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] deploy the Miraheze global abuse filter to mitigate this. I don't believe an indefinite suspension of bureaucrat; I would rather manage this a month at a time. If bureaucrat revocation is required, I'll do that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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Hi all, I hope this message finds you well.
After [[Special:Diff/21471|noticing]] more and more reports regarding Seiyena, I have come to the decision to cast a vote regarding this user.
 
This user has made '''several''' racist, homophobic and frankly, disgusting comments on this Wiki. They have had chance after chance to stop this behavior and have even been given Administrator permissions after every "apology".
Frankly, I think they are unfit to be a sysop on this Wiki and I am here to ask for the community's opinion on a blacklist for requesting permissions.
Pinging {{Ping|Dmehus}} & {{Ping|MacFan4000}} for their opinion. [[User:Trayfel|Trayfel]] ([[Special:Contribs/Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


== CheckUser testing ==
:Question: Is this blacklist intended to be temporary or indefinite? [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 19:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
::Considering the amount of abuse you have contributed towards this Wiki, I would say if granted, the RFP blacklist would be indefinite. [[User:Trayfel|Trayfel]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:30, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Trayfel}} Hello! Maybe for a while she should be blocked from some namespaces and have lower rights (autopatrol, researcher etc). [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 19:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
::::I like AlPad's idea, and wouldn't be against a temporary blacklist, to be honest. I don't like the indefinite idea, but do feel that maybe temporary is warranted. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 19:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
:::::With all due regards Sieyena, this isn't down to you. {{Ping|AlPaD}} I agree, I think an indefinite blacklist from sysop permissions with the exception of Seiyena being allowed Autopatrol and researcher. Thoughts? [[User:Trayfel|Trayfel]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
I know that I can't make this decision by myself, but I do think I should at least be able to offer my views on this matter. My proposal is a temporary blacklist from requesting permissions together with a partial block from the Talk namespace and maybe the Request Permissions page. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 21:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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Currently, as shown in [[Special:ListGroupRights]], it seems that only bureaucrats may use the <code>checkuser-limited</code> permission. This permission allows checking oneself for the purpose of testing out the tool. It may be a good idea to grant this permission to administrators as administrators is the primary for-testing group here and it should not be necessary to request bureaucratship for testing. In addition, when it is only possible to check oneself there is very little capacity for damage (checking others will still be limited to Stewards).
:Noting that the aforementioned abuse filter has been deployed. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 01:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)


Opinions? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 22:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
== Lift protection on [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] ==
:Agree <code>checkuser-limited</code> is not really that sensitive, and certainly has less potential for damage than many of the other rights bundled with administrator. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 03:50, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
:Agree. You can only test checkuser on yourself. Making a phabricator task..... [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:59, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
::[https://phabricator.testwiki.wiki/T43 Phabricator task] [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)


== [[User:CptViraj]] ==
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::{{Done|[[Special:Redirect/logid/31337|Done, at least temporarily]]}}, [[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] et al., chiefly since [[Test Wiki:Interface administrators|interface administrator]] granting and revocation has since been restricted to Stewards for mainly security purposes, but ''do'' note we reserve the right to reinstate [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] protection for this high impact CSS interface page depending on if [[w:WP:BEANS|BEANSey]] things happen. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:59, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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Please delete my userpage, Thanks! -- [[User:CptViraj|CptViraj]] ([[User talk:CptViraj|talk]]) 05:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Could the steward-only create protection on [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] be removed? I'm trying to deploy some styles to get the {{tl|mbox}} series of templates properly working. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 01:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
: {{Support}}. I also thought the other day I was going to work with styles, but it was blocked. — Regards, [[U:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''Kazrok4545'''''</span>]] [[UT:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''<small>Talk</small>'''''</span>]] 13:44, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
: {{Support}} I think the limitations on the MediaWiki:common page are; must be granted bureaucrat permits [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 09:18, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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*{{Done}} --[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 08:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
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== [[Special:AbuseFilter/89|Filter 89]] ==
Looks like we're getting a few false positives here; I fixed a typo on an AbuseFilter warning and apparently I was disallowed. See [https://testwiki.wiki/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?wptarget=3PPYB6 my abuse log] for reference.
 
@[[User:Kazrok4545|Kazrok4545]]—Courtesy ping if you have ideas. Thanks. —[[User:3PPYB6|3PPYB6]] ([[User talk:3PPYB6|talk]]) 16:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
:This is the result of the filter filtering for the <code><nowiki><br></nowiki></code> tag, which is a very common indicator of spam. This is actually unnecessary (already in another filter), so I've removed it and extended the exempted groups. {{ping|Kazrok4545}} I've temporarily disabled the filter pending clarification on its intent, were you intending to do something akin to [[Special:AbuseFilter/88|filter 88]], or was this intended to be an addition to [[Special:AbuseFilter/52|filter 52]]? —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 20:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
::Sorry, I forgot to switch off this filter. It was created for testing. It is advisable to add these words to filter 52. — Regards, [[U:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''Kazrok4545'''''</span>]] [[UT:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''<small>Talk</small>'''''</span>]] 12:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== Rename Account ==
 
Hi,
 
Could you please rename my account Videojeux4 to HeartsDo, please.
 
(Proof: [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:HeartsDo here]) [[User:Videojeux4|Videojeux4]] ([[User talk:Videojeux4|talk]]) 04:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
:Pinging {{Ping|Dmehus}} {{Ping|MacFan4000}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Videojeux4|HeartsDo]], though I don't likely doubt this to be you, would you mind confirming your Test Wiki account from your Miraheze account? Thanks. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
:I know the account to be legit. {{Done}}. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 03:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks! :p [[User:HeartsDo|HeartsDo]] ([[User talk:HeartsDo|talk]]) 16:41, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== Block Request ==
 
Hello, I think it would be good if I took a break from here for a bit. Could someone please block me for a few days, like maybe until May 1? Thank you very much. [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 09:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Seiyena}} I am willing to give out the block, on condition that:
:# You agree not to evade your block using sockpuppets.
:# You agree to be hard-blocked (i.e. with autoblock enabled).
:[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 10:51, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
::I agree to both conditions.[[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 11:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
:::You have now been blocked. Enjoy your break. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 11:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== Any thoughts on this proposed change to filter 88? ==
 
Right now filter 88 is set to simply disallow the action that is trying to be performed. Given the number of recent triggers to that filter, maybe that should be changed to instead issue a 3-day block any time the filter is triggered as well as remove from any special groups like admin or bureaucrat. I think that might make it more effective at its job and also not cause it to be triggered so much. This proposal would need a steward's help to implement if it's approved since it involves adding restricted actions. But I do think this might be beneficial to the target of the filter.
 
Any thoughts on whether this is a good or bad idea? [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 12:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 
:I see no problem if there are at least two non-steward users who can modify that filter. [[:wikipedia:Oligarchy|Oligarchy]] is not really a nice way to work, especially in wikis. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 17:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
::Currently, filters with restricted actions (i.e. block, rangeblock, and degroup; though the later two aren't enabled at all here) can only be edited by Stewards. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 15:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
:::I know. I'm waiting for [[Test Wiki:Community portal/06#Filter #52|this]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 20:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 
== Name Change Request ==
 
Hi, can I please get my name changed to Bastrop? Thanks! [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 19:16, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Seiyena}} Pings will only work if you add your signature in the same edit in which you add the ping. —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 13:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 
Now I realize I messed up the ping yet again lol. Trying this again. {{ping|MacFan4000}} or {{ping|Dmehus}} Thanks! [[User:Seiyena|Sei]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My changes here</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Drop me a line</span>]]) 08:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 
== Proposed amendment to [[Test Wiki:Bots]] ==
 
=== Proposal ===
It is proposed that [[Test Wiki:Bots]] be amended [[Special:Diff/22074|as described]] at [[Test Wiki:Bots|the policy page]]. The <code>bot</code> flag [[rfc:2119|'''must not''']] be granted by [[Test Wiki:Stewards|non-test administrators]] on Test Wiki permanently. Requests for permanent/indefinite <code>bot</code> flags [[rfc:2119|''should'']] be made at [[Test Wiki:Bot approval requests]]. Requests should articulate the described particulars, at minimum. Bureaucrats may grant themselves the <code>bot</code> temporarily, for no more than twenty-four (24) hours, provided they state a clear and valid reason in their log summary. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 
'''Rationale:'''
* Provides for consistent approval of indefinitely/permanently-granted <code>bot</code> flags;
* Ensures bureaucrats and administrators are transparently disclosing all edits and log actions; and,
* Provides overall clarity.
 
==== Support ====
*{{Support}} I agree with it. <del>Though I don't oppose it, [[#Counter-proposal]] seems bit complicated to me.</del>
**Still, I'm confused about 1 sentence. "The bot flag '''must not''' be granted by '''non-test administrators''' on Test Wiki permanently". "non-test administrators" means steward, correct? Must '''not''' steward grant permanent bot flag? I'm not good at English, so I may have mistranslated that(I'm terribly sorry if so), but could you recheck that sentence, please?--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 08:00, 2 May 2022 (UTC) <small>Modify. On second thought.--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 09:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</small>
*{{Support}} Per nom. [[User:I_am_One|I am one]] ([[User_talk:I_am_One|as you are three]]) 12:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 
==== Neutral/Abstain ====
 
 
==== Oppose ====
* {{Oppose}} –[[User:CrazyFisherman|CrazyFisherman]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 20:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC) isn't necessary at all
 
=== Counter-proposal ===
As an alternative to the above primary proposal, the primary proposal is adopted ''except'' the <code>bot</code> flag is restricted technically to being granted by [[Test Wiki:Stewards|stewards]] and a new <code>[[Test Wiki:Pseudobots|pseudobot]]</code> or <code>[[Test Wiki:Flooders|flood]]</code> group is created for temporary uses, which may be granted by bureaucrats along the same terms as the primary propose. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 
'''Note:''' It is possible for you to support both the primary and counter-proposals and for both to pass.
 
==== Support ====
* {{support}} creation of the <code>flood</code> user group and {{oppose}} restricting the <code>bot</code> group to steward-only. However, I also {{support}} <em>disallowing</em> bureaucrats from granting themself <code>bot</code> (or <code>flood</code>) indefinitely unless they promises to revoke it after a short while (less than 24 hours, after which another crat may revoke the flag(s)). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 03:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
*: By the way, presuming <code>flood</code> consists of only one rights, <code>bot</code>, an admin-flooder will be able to do everything a bot can, apart from preventing notification when marking an edit as minor (<code>minornotalk</code>). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 03:46, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
*{{Support}} As Public TestWiki. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 14:31, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 
==== Neutral/Abstain ====
{{Neutral}} [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 11:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 
{{Neutral}} --[[User:想舞花|想舞花]] ([[User talk:想舞花|talk]]) 05:53, 6 May 2022 (UTC)


== Spam abuse filters ==
{{Neutral}} — Regards, [[U:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''Kazrok4545'''''</span>]] [[UT:Kazrok4545|<span style="font-family:comic sans ms ;color:Blue;">'''''<small>Talk</small>'''''</span>]] 13:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)


I'd like to propose that we enable automatic blocking on our anti-spam abuse filters, as they have a rare false positive rate (and we can just unblock if there is a false positive). [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
{{Neutral}} - Although complicated and long winded, I do prefer and agree with [[#Counter-proposal]]. [[User:Trayfel|Trayfel]] ([[Special:Contribs/Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Trayfel|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 10:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


{{Support}} I Do think we could use filter for that. --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 18:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
==== Oppose ====
:: Good idea, I had considered proposing this for a while but had never got around to it. Blocking is a restricted action though, so this will need to be closed by a stewards. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
* {{Oppose}} [[User:CrazyFisherman|CrazyFisherman]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 20:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC) per abvoe
::: We also need it because there is no way in hell I am doing [https://testwiki.wiki/images/a/a6/Spambots.png this] again. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 00:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
:::: Geez, I normally mop up the mess the spambots make, and never have I had to give myself the bot flag, nor flood the log like that. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


It looks like we had another Hell load of Bot accounts today and don't worry Nalekshu I can always do mass blocking if you need me to or want me to do it  just Message me and I'll do it  🙂 --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 04:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
=== General comments ===

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Mind if I suggest something?

Should the policy be updated now?

Seeing as this has majority support, should one of the bureaucrats update the policy to reflect the new time? Or do we have to get a Steward's approval for policy changes? Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 14:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CheckUser request

These 2 users are blocked intefinite on Chinese Wikipedia and locked on Wikimedia foundation and this action is suspected. Thanks! AlPaD (talk) 16:37, 17 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@想舞花: Could you explain the reason for this action please? AlPaD (talk) 20:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@AlPaD: I mean: give him permissions other than admin.--想舞花 (talk) 23:19, 22 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@想舞花: Thanks for reply! AlPaD (talk) 07:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Maybe it's their test account. Also, I don't know why being indefinitely blocked on Wikipedia or globally locked on Wikimedia matters here. My Wikimedia account is globally locked and blocked indefinitely on English Wikipedia, but as long as people behave here, I think they should be welcome here. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 20:16, 22 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Seiyena: I don't think is a test account because he had requested administrator rights, while the test accounts don't need to be requested. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a sockpuppet issue. It's better steward see the issue and let our know if he needs CheckUser. AlPaD (talk) 07:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I saw it again and maybe I was wrong. In the Chinese Wikipedia there are daily blocked for sockpuppetry and 想舞花 was banned from the Wikimedia foundation while 七海娜娜米 wasn't. I know that even if someone is blocked on Wikimedia they can contribute here and sorry if I was wrong. AlPaD (talk) 20:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
七海娜娜米2b and 七海娜娜米3b, are technically identical, 想舞花 is not connected to the other two, but the CU results were interesting. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 14:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@MacFan4000: Thank you! AlPaD (talk) 17:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm block they account.--想舞花 (talk) 05:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
They had been blocked with autoblock disabled. I've modified block setting and enabled autoblock.--Q8j (talk) 07:32, 6 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Special:AbuseFilter/52

The third line should have been & !page_id == 702. Currently it's checking for spam edits on TW:RFP... NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 10:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging @Dmehus. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 10:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Can't admins edit the filters themselves? I know that on another wiki that was possible. Just saying. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 19:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Filters with restricted actions (namely, blocking) can only be edited by Stewards. — Arcversin (talk) 01:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It would actually be page_id != 702, since this is an equality check. Also, it's generally good practice to surround any negation that isn't a single function with parentheses, like so: !('x' in y) — Arcversin (talk) 01:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In regards to User:Seiyena.

Noting that the aforementioned abuse filter has been deployed. — Arcversin (talk) 01:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lift protection on MediaWiki:Common.css

Filter 89

Looks like we're getting a few false positives here; I fixed a typo on an AbuseFilter warning and apparently I was disallowed. See my abuse log for reference.

@Kazrok4545—Courtesy ping if you have ideas. Thanks. —3PPYB6 (talk) 16:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is the result of the filter filtering for the <br> tag, which is a very common indicator of spam. This is actually unnecessary (already in another filter), so I've removed it and extended the exempted groups. @Kazrok4545: I've temporarily disabled the filter pending clarification on its intent, were you intending to do something akin to filter 88, or was this intended to be an addition to filter 52? — Arcversin (talk) 20:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, I forgot to switch off this filter. It was created for testing. It is advisable to add these words to filter 52. — Regards, Kazrok4545 Talk 12:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Rename Account

Hi,

Could you please rename my account Videojeux4 to HeartsDo, please.

(Proof: here) Videojeux4 (talk) 04:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pinging @Dmehus: @MacFan4000: AlPaD (talk) 05:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
HeartsDo, though I don't likely doubt this to be you, would you mind confirming your Test Wiki account from your Miraheze account? Thanks. Dmehus (talk) 02:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know the account to be legit.  Done. MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 03:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks! :p HeartsDo (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Block Request

Hello, I think it would be good if I took a break from here for a bit. Could someone please block me for a few days, like maybe until May 1? Thank you very much. Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 09:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Seiyena: I am willing to give out the block, on condition that:
  1. You agree not to evade your block using sockpuppets.
  2. You agree to be hard-blocked (i.e. with autoblock enabled).
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 10:51, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree to both conditions.Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 11:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You have now been blocked. Enjoy your break. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 11:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Any thoughts on this proposed change to filter 88?

Right now filter 88 is set to simply disallow the action that is trying to be performed. Given the number of recent triggers to that filter, maybe that should be changed to instead issue a 3-day block any time the filter is triggered as well as remove from any special groups like admin or bureaucrat. I think that might make it more effective at its job and also not cause it to be triggered so much. This proposal would need a steward's help to implement if it's approved since it involves adding restricted actions. But I do think this might be beneficial to the target of the filter.

Any thoughts on whether this is a good or bad idea? Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 12:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I see no problem if there are at least two non-steward users who can modify that filter. Oligarchy is not really a nice way to work, especially in wikis. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 17:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Currently, filters with restricted actions (i.e. block, rangeblock, and degroup; though the later two aren't enabled at all here) can only be edited by Stewards. — Arcversin (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know. I'm waiting for this. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 20:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Name Change Request

Hi, can I please get my name changed to Bastrop? Thanks! Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 19:16, 30 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Seiyena: Pings will only work if you add your signature in the same edit in which you add the ping. — Arcversin (talk) 13:39, 1 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Now I realize I messed up the ping yet again lol. Trying this again. @MacFan4000: or @Dmehus: Thanks! Sei (My changes here | Drop me a line) 08:49, 2 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Proposed amendment to Test Wiki:Bots

Proposal

It is proposed that Test Wiki:Bots be amended as described at the policy page. The bot flag must not be granted by non-test administrators on Test Wiki permanently. Requests for permanent/indefinite bot flags should be made at Test Wiki:Bot approval requests. Requests should articulate the described particulars, at minimum. Bureaucrats may grant themselves the bot temporarily, for no more than twenty-four (24) hours, provided they state a clear and valid reason in their log summary. Dmehus (talk) 23:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rationale:

  • Provides for consistent approval of indefinitely/permanently-granted bot flags;
  • Ensures bureaucrats and administrators are transparently disclosing all edits and log actions; and,
  • Provides overall clarity.

Support

  •  Support I agree with it. Though I don't oppose it, #Counter-proposal seems bit complicated to me.
    • Still, I'm confused about 1 sentence. "The bot flag must not be granted by non-test administrators on Test Wiki permanently". "non-test administrators" means steward, correct? Must not steward grant permanent bot flag? I'm not good at English, so I may have mistranslated that(I'm terribly sorry if so), but could you recheck that sentence, please?--Q8j (talk) 08:00, 2 May 2022 (UTC) Modify. On second thought.--Q8j (talk) 09:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Support Per nom. I am one (as you are three) 12:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neutral/Abstain

Oppose

Counter-proposal

As an alternative to the above primary proposal, the primary proposal is adopted except the bot flag is restricted technically to being granted by stewards and a new pseudobot or flood group is created for temporary uses, which may be granted by bureaucrats along the same terms as the primary propose. Dmehus (talk) 23:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note: It is possible for you to support both the primary and counter-proposals and for both to pass.

Support

Neutral/Abstain

Neutral LisafBia (talk) 11:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neutral --想舞花 (talk) 05:53, 6 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neutral — Regards, Kazrok4545 Talk 13:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Neutral - Although complicated and long winded, I do prefer and agree with #Counter-proposal. Trayfel • ( Edits | Talk ) 10:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose

General comments