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| == Oversight role? == | | ==Proposal== |
| {{ping|MacFan4000|Void}} Do you think it'd be possible to get an oversight role? [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 14:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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| :{{ping|Seemplez}} I'm just gonna bump in here, but there's no need for it right now. From what I've seen, everything is fine, and the CheckUser right isn't really needed either, the only use for the Steward permission is that it can revoke bureaucrat permissions from a user. [[User:BlackWidowMovie0|BlackWidowMovie0]] ([[User talk:BlackWidowMovie0|talk]]) 17:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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| ::I think we already have both kinds of oversight on this wiki, from google I saw https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/oversight which is revision deletion you should already be able to do the admin kind of revision deletion, there is also the suppress kind, which was done to a few entries a long time ago by MacFan4000, but for that you need to be in the [[Test Wiki:Suppress|suppress user group]] and only the stewards can assign that. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 18:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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| :If a steward thinks you should have it, and assigns it to you, or you become a steward, then yes. Otherwise, no. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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| :{{ping|Fast|Justarandomamerican|BlackWidowMovie0}} Thanks. [[User:Seemplez|Seemplez]] ([[User talk:Seemplez|talk]]) 11:29, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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| == CheckUser testing ==
| | Hello, I happy to here to discuss on my new proposal to make a mediawikipage for this [[User:Aviram7/js/all-in-one.js|this]] JavaScript that help to easily block and oversight or suppress the revision of block user, spammers. etc, this script is originally based on [[metawikimedia:User:WhitePhosphorus/js/all-in-one.js|User:WhitePhosphorus/js/all-in-one.js]] of metawikimedia, but this script needed to modified them, then it's script ready for use on Tesrwiki. |
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| Currently, as shown in [[Special:ListGroupRights]], it seems that only bureaucrats may use the <code>checkuser-limited</code> permission. This permission allows checking oneself for the purpose of testing out the tool. It may be a good idea to grant this permission to administrators as administrators is the primary for-testing group here and it should not be necessary to request bureaucratship for testing. In addition, when it is only possible to check oneself there is very little capacity for damage (checking others will still be limited to Stewards).
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| Opinions? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 22:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
| | *I think [[User:Aviram7/js/all-in-one.js]] is move to mediawiki namespace, then add this script in gadget and allow to sysop, crats, stewards for use on you're preferences. |
| :Agree <code>checkuser-limited</code> is not really that sensitive, and certainly has less potential for damage than many of the other rights bundled with administrator. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 03:50, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
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| :Agree. You can only test checkuser on yourself. Making a phabricator task..... [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:59, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
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| ::[https://phabricator.testwiki.wiki/T43 Phabricator task] [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:02, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
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| == [[User:CptViraj]] == | | {{Ping|MacFan4000|Dmehus|Drummingman|Justarandomamerican}} |
| | Thanks ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 08:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| Please delete my userpage, Thanks! -- [[User:CptViraj|CptViraj]] ([[User talk:CptViraj|talk]]) 05:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
| | :I would be fine with adding this as a gadget, but not on the common.js. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| *{{Done}} --[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 08:26, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
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| == Spam abuse filters == | | ::{{Ping|X}} Hello, Well! we have no probelm, If you like more gadgets for use, please see my common. js and this gadget is very helpful, firstly please test this js and then we think what can I do later?. |
| | Thanks ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 12:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| I'd like to propose that we enable automatic blocking on our anti-spam abuse filters, as they have a rare false positive rate (and we can just unblock if there is a false positive). [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
| | :This gadget would likely need to be restricted to stewards due to just how powerful it is. Being able to revert all of a users edits, delete all the pages they've created, and block them in one click is simply a lot. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| {{Support}} I Do think we could use filter for that. --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 18:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
| | :::X, You're right this js script is very powerful Use of this JavaScript should only be allowed by stewards and not allowed to use by any other privileged persons. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 03:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| :: Good idea, I had considered proposing this for a while but had never got around to it. Blocking is a restricted action though, so this will need to be closed by a stewards. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:28, 26 December 2020 (UTC) | | ::::I've commented it out of your common.js page for the moment, as it could cause some serious mayhem if used improperly. Ask me if you need a test performed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| ::: We also need it because there is no way in hell I am doing [https://testwiki.wiki/images/a/a6/Spambots.png this] again. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 00:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
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| :::: Geez, I normally mop up the mess the spambots make, and never have I had to give myself the bot flag, nor flood the log like that. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC) | |
| :'''Agree''', and prompt autoblocks will also prevent the spambots from creating new accounts on the same IP for 24 hours reducing the hit rate and making it easier to find any false positives. We can always tweak the filters that result in immediate blocks if problems occur. It may be advisable to limit blocks only to registered accounts for now since they are so far responsible for nearly all edits that trip the filter. [[User:Fast|Fast - ZoomZoom]] ([[User talk:Fast|talk]]) 23:15, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
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| It looks like we had another Hell load of Bot accounts today and don't worry Nalekshu I can always do mass blocking if you need me to or want me to do it just Message me and I'll do it 🙂 --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 04:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
| | ::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] Hello, Thank you for removing this script from my common. js, I've already performed the after adding this script on my common. js, I think this js script is more useful for the stewards. {{Thank}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 15:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| :{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 12:59, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
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| == Help, abuse filter blocked me == | | ==Replace text== |
| | I've used it a lot in the past, and it saved a lot of time. But as of now, it's restricted to <u>stewards</u>. Why's that? [[User:Saint|Saint]] ([[User talk:Saint|talk]]) 04:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| Hi, this is administrator [[User:PorkchopGMX]] editing under a VPN, a different browser, and a new account. I was editing [[user:PorkchopGMX/researchertest|one of my subpages]], planning to delete it and use my [[User:PorkchopGMX test|test account]] to see what it would look like with the “researcher” user group, when the abuse filter thought I was spamming and blocked me indefinitely with autoblock. The only thing I can do right now (besides having to use a VPN) is to email somebody. I don’t know who I should email, so I’m doing this instead. If anybody is skeptical that this is really me, I do have access to my account and can email somebody if they need proof. [[User:PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once|PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once]] ([[User talk:PorkchopGMX’s throwaway account that will only be used once|talk]]) 16:15, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
| | :It was found that a vandal who gained sysop rights could vandalize the [[Main Page]] or similarly important Steward protected pages using ReplaceText. I know it has a lot of utility for you, so feel free to send me a message on my talk page, or Drummingman on his with a request, ensuring that original text, new text, and namespace(s) are provided. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::Is it possible to allow interface administrators to use it? [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 13:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::I suggested that to MacFan when I originally opened a security task about the issue. Me personally, I think it would be better to create a separate group that's able to use it, as IA is ''primarily'' intended to allow editing of script pages, though I am fine with bundling it in to IA (and Stewards) along with creating a separate group. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:19, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| Hello i already unblocked your main account please Do not use a Vpn i will GO ahead and Unblock your ip aswell so you can edit --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 16:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
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| :Thank you Cocopuff2018, I’m unblocked now. [[User:PorkchopGMX|PorkchopGMX]] ([[User talk:PorkchopGMX|talk]]) 16:43, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
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| == Proposal : Remove SocialProfile ==
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| {{Discussion top|{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 22:44, 6 March 2021 (UTC)}} | | Recently, upon DR requesting bureaucrat, they were given it without first being an administrator. EPIC removed the crat right, and X restored it, stating that the requirement was pointless. To prevent a wheel war, I think it's best to set down community consensus on the issue. What do you, the reader, think of the requirement to be a sysop before being a bureaucrat? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| Does anyone even like it? I would certainly support it being removed [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 22:06, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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| :<s>I '''honestly don't care''' if it's removed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)</s>
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| :Actually, I '''weakly oppose''' just for the communications options (userboard and such), if somebody wants a wiki user page, they get one, as there's a switch to toggle wiki userpages on. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:24, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| :: {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} No, it still leaves that stupid banner which people might not want and does random crap like auto-creating user pages and other clutter. It is simply a nuisance to this wiki. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 06:28, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| ::: Also, I don't love that non-existent user page titles show up as bluelinks. That probably should be fixed upstream, but until then, I think it should be removed. For what it's worth, it's a [[mhtest:TestWiki:Banned extensions|banned extension]] on [[mhtest:|Public Test Wiki]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 07:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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| :I '''strongly support''' removing this extension, at least until such time as [[mw:Extension:SocialProfile|SocialProfile]]'s extension developers migrate the social profiles to a <code>UserProfile</code> namespace and move wiki user pages where they rightly belong, in <code>User</code> namespace. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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| :{{Support}} I would like a good userpage, instead, a box fill-in, pushing my userpage to<code>UserWiki</code> namespace. [[User:Harpsicorder|Harpsicorder]] ([[User talk:Harpsicorder|talk]]) 19:04, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
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| == "High chance of spam" filters and false positives == | | :@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]: I've support you're thoughts, This is test wiki not Wikipedia, we are here to testing of specific permission, firstly If any new user request for both rights, then firstly grant only sysop permission but not crats, because sysop have more permission on his group, crats is most important permission on the wiki, I don't understand why both user's make editwar in removing or adding crats permission from @DR, who received both permission after reviewing his request by an other crats. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 04:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | ::I personally think that just like on other test wikis, there should some kind of requirement before being able to request crat, either an edit requirement (maybe something like 10 edits before being able to request bureaucrat would be a fair requirement if so?), or a requirement of a specific amount of days of having sysop before requesting crat (a day or two perhaps), or maybe a mix of both of those requirements. |
| | ::The reason I think so is because unlike on other test wikis, the crat permission is quite powerful and can remove both bureaucrat and sysop rights. If it's given very liberally it can be quite dangerous. Now, I know DR from Wikimedia and they are a trusted user who I certainly don't think would abuse the bureaucrat rights, so I have nothing against them having crat. But, I don't have any intents to wheel war, the permissions have been given back and it can remain so. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :::My intention was also not to wheel war. I know EPIC mentioned some suggestions for "requirements" for the 'crat role. However, as of now, those do not exist, making the rule about being a sysop first pointless. There is some Wikimedia essay about not following the policies if doing so would prevent you from improving the site, but I can't remember what it was titled. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 11:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :You can remove the bureaucrat right from my account since I won’t be using it. I have MediaWiki installed on my local machine for testing purposes, and I already have all the advanced rights there. Here on this test wiki, my goal is to assist others by deploying some important and useful scripts and translating help pages. Initially, I thought that crats have access to grant the interface admin right, but it appears they do not, so I no longer require this role. Could any Steward please grant the interface admin right to my account? I would like to deploy some useful gadgets. Also, for granting requirements, I believe granting the bureaucrat role should be discretionary. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 09:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC) |
| | :We should definitely set requirements for gaining crat. It is a powerful position, and any disruptive user can easily misuse it. Since EPIC knew DR , there would not be a problem, but if a random user came and requested sysop and crat, there is a chance of vandalism or disruption. I propose that a user must wait 24 hours and make 10 edits before requesting crat rights [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 06:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC) |
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| The spam filters have recently falsely blocked two users ([[User:PorkchopGMX]] and [[User:Dmehus]]) as spammers that were not. As a temporary solution [[User:MacFan4000]] has set them to just disallow again, but [https://testwiki.wiki/images/a/a6/Spambots.png they clearly need to block] provided we can remove false positives.
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| I suggest requiring 0 edits for block. Generally spambots trip this filter on their first edit, so anyone who has made any successful edits is likely not a spambot. Any other ideas? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC) | | Hello, I am currently suffering from high powerful stress which is impairing my ability to work on test wiki and elsewhere, hence, I request the admins of test wiki to please remove my sysop + crats permission on my account, I will try to come back and edit here. Thanks to all the editors of test wiki for giving me a chance to test the tools of sysop and crats and I hope I have not broken any rules and regulations of test wiki.. {{Thanks}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span> 04:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
| : The filter should also require the creation of a new page. It already does for one of the filters, but it should for the other too. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 23:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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| : I'm a bit confused, perhaps. Wouldn't requiring 0 edits to block ''increase'' the false positive blocks? Administrators are active here, and can revert spam quickly. I'd suggest just setting it to either warn or disallow permanently, with anyone with <code>autopatrol</code> in their '''user_rights''' exempted from the filter. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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| ::I don't think so. Most administrators have more than 1 edit. I support requiring 0 edits. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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| ::: {{ping|Dmehus}} How would narrowing when blocks are placed increase false positives? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 00:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| :::: Well, in my case, I only had one edit, and maybe I'm not understanding the central idea idea, but wouldn't ''reducing'' the edit requirement mean I would've been blocked when I made my permission request? Note that I never tried to add an external link—it was just an [[Special:Interwiki|interwiki]] link. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| :::::No, because your permissions request didn’t contain anything that would trip the filter. Also, I just tested that change, and it doesn’t work because most spambots are seeming to first make a change to their SocialProfile, which I guess counts as an edit. Or at least & user_editcount == 0 nothing trips the filter when I test it. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 13:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| ::::::Oh, okay, well, I suppose it doesn't hurt to try it then, since you've tested the filter against recent edits. Plus, yeah, spam only accounts ''do'' tend add spammy links into their social profiles. Having said that, on some wikis on Miraheze what we do is simply add the SocialProfile-related rights to <code>autoconfirmed</code>, and that stops the spam only accounts cold, with minimal impacts on legitimate users. Also, if the above community proposal passes, this may end up being moot. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 15:57, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| :::::::If the above community proposal fails, I '''support''' moving updateprofile into autoconfirmed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| == Justarandomamerican request for stewardship (2) ==
| | :{{d}} — You are free to reapply for user permissions when you return. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC) |
| {{Discussion top|Unsuccessful [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 20:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)}}
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| Statement by requestor: I'd like to request the globe again. I've been active and taking out the trash, and now my account is not newly registered. CU and Oversight rights would be helpful in performing maintenance and counter-vandalism and spam. (which I regularly do) It's been approximately a month since my last request, and I feel I have addressed the opposing argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| '''Procedural support''' as requestor and per my requesting argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| # Wasn't planning to comment but then I noticed canvassing at [[User_talk:LukeSkywalker26]]. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 02:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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| #: '''Comment''': It was a friendly message, not intending to influence discussion in a way. I really shouldn't have to clarify that. I was not intending to canvass, influencing discussion, but rather help to fully achieve consensus. (Notice all the neutrals.) Please remember to [[W:WP:AGF|assume good faith]]. [[W:WP:CANVASS]] [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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| #Telling someone to assume good faith as a method of deflecting valid criticism is not something someone with steward rights should be doing. I'll also add that it might not be canvassing per se, but it certainly is not something I would do. Clearly it could affect the outcome of this. In addition, this wiki does not appear to need more stewards. --[[User:ImprovedWikiImprovment|IWI]] ([[User talk:ImprovedWikiImprovment|talk]]) 19:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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| * I'm not familiar with this wiki's policy requirements on access to personally identifying information. If <code>suppressor</code> can be granted independent of <code>checkuser</code>, this is something I could potentially support. My interactions with you, assuming you're the same Justarandomliberal on Miraheze, have been fine, though I don't know you well enough to support for Steward on this wiki. At the same time, MacFan4000 and Void are active enough on this wiki to perform any CheckUser functions, I think. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:56, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| *'''Comment''':The requirements for PII here are just pretty much pass a RfS and follow the privacy policy. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| ** {{ping|Dmehus}} Personally I think Oversight is a ''more'' larger deal than CheckUser. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 01:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| *** {{ping|Naleksuh}} Potentially, yes, that's true, though I'm not sure what information may have been suppressed. If it is IP addresses, largely, of users who edited while logged out, then it's probably the same. If it's grossly insulting and potentially libelous or defamatory information requiring suppression, then the concern for me is whether the user will be trusted not to divulge that information. The same is true of CheckUser, certainly, though. It's probably a wash, really, with you believing Oversight is the greater concern and me believing CheckUser is the greater concern. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
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| *Neutral I'm sorry but I agree with Dmehus I feel we don't need more Stewards Sorry --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 01:52, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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| *'''Comment''' Only one steward is active in a community capacity (MacFan). The other is mostly active as a system administrator, semi-active in a community capacity. (which is completely fine) We need one more active steward in a community capacity, certainly. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:19, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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| *Abstain While all my interactions so far with Justarandomamerican have been positive, I don't feel I know them (as well as their contributions here) well enough yet in order to be able to vote yes/no on this matter. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 19:06, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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| {{Discussion bottom}}
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| == Proposal: [[Test Wiki:No open proxies policy|No open proxies policy]] ==
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| {{Discussion top|Involved closure, but consensus is unanimous here. Nobody had an opposing or neutral argument. Cheers, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)}}
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| '''Community proposal:''' To establish as official policy, subject to amendment at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]], [[Test Wiki:No open proxies policy|No open proxies policy]]. Such policy shall prohibit open proxies, somewhat broadly construed, VPNs, and web hosts from being used for anonymous editing or account creation. On discovery, a Steward shall soft block with account creation disabled and talk page access revoked said IP range(s) for a period of not less than three (3) and not more than twenty four (24) months. Logged in editors may use them, as is the case on [[mhmeta:No open proxies policy|Miraheze]], as at least the user will have been likely required to identify their personal IP to [[Special:CreateAccount|create an account]]. Where, upon discovery, an account was created by a VPN/open proxy, Steward discretion applies as to whether to block, or require a confirmation edit from a Wikimedia or Miraheze wiki. Steward discretion in terms of the length of the block/rangeblock applies, within the defined parameters, but the community recomments at least six (6) months for obvious cases. Where open proxies/VPNs are being used on this wiki by anonymous users, the open proxies/VPNs may be blocked by any <code>sysop</code>, subject to the same discretion as outlined above.
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| === Support ===
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| * '''Strong support''' as proposer. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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| * '''Support''' Open proxies have probably been used for long term abuse since this wiki began. This would help stop that. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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| * {{Support}} While I'm very new here, I've heard this wiki has had some unfortunate instances of trolling and vandalism. In my experience, allowing account creations from open proxies/VPNs as well as anonymous editing for them usually causes trouble. There has been a NOPP in place at Miraheze since the beginning of 2017 and having a clear policy on the matter could be helpful and allow for routine soft blocks of VPNs and open proxies. While of course a policy likely won't stop trolls, it would make it easier to immediately soft block VPNs and open proxies once they are discovered. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 18:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
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| === Neutral/Abstain ===
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| * "soft block with account creation disabled " Soft block inherently means having this ''enabled'', what did you mean here? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh|talk]]) 20:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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| *:[[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] Yeah, I know that, but I just added that "with account creation disabled" for users who may not know that that's inherent with a soft IP block. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:15, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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| * Soft blocking all open proxies upon discovery is a bit much for only stewards to do. There are only 2 stewards around here, unless the RfS above passes (might have a No Consensus closure with all those neutrals). Maybe change it to stewards or bureaucrats? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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| *:Oh, sure, that's no problem, but to be clear, I just mean if they discovered open proxies in the course of a CheckUser from an abuse investigation, but if anonymous IPs are being used publicly on this wiki, any <code>sysop</code> could block. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 03:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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| == Proposal: Bureaucrat rights only for trusted users ==
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| {{Discussion top|{{Not done|Unsuccessful}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC)}}
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| '''Proposal:''' Bureaucrat rights are not given to every user 24 h after admin rights request, rather trusted users. With 'crat rights there are not really any extra testing possibilities but currently it isn't possible to protect pages so that only experienced/trusted users ('crats), who aren't stewards can edit them because everybody can get bureaucrat within 24-48 hours. Since <code>checkuser-limited</code> is also available to sysops, nearly all test features are also possible for admins. Also currently there is only one (1) <small>I only counted stewards, not interface admins</small> user who is active (made edits/log enries in the last 30 days) who has a right that is not given out to everybody.
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| === Support ===
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| *{{support}}. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 14:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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| *<s>{{support}} --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 12:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC) <small>Comment: I agree with the proposer, the only extra testing possibilities are <code>deletelogentry</code>, <code>nuke</code> and <code>import</code>. If [[User:Blueexes]] would have been waiting 24 hours to get bureaucrat right and removed rights from every bureaucrat than waiting for a steward would have been necessary. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 20:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC); Recent block regarding me by [[User:Ronjapatch|Ronjapatch]] is also a perfect example why I support this proposal. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 21:17, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small></s>
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| *:Well, in that scenario, they wouldn't have been able to remove the <code>bureaucrat</code> bit from other bureaucrats, so worse case is there might've been some wheel-warring among bureaucrats and administrators (though hopefully not). Additionally, a steward is usually only a ping or two away. Even if MacFan4000 is away and Void isn't in the <code>#testadminwiki</code> channel on IRC, you need only ping me on IRC, and I can ping Void on Discord to take care of it. As I say, perhaps the requirements could be raised a bit, but this proposal isn't it. Best to close it and send it back to the drawing board and propose something else. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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| *{{Support}}. --[[User:Anton|Anton]] ([[User talk:Anton|talk]]) 14:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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| *<s>{{Support}}. –[[User:Olipino|Olipino]] ([[User talk:Olipino|talk]]) 01:26, 24 April 2021 (UTC)</s>
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| === Oppose ===
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| * {{Oppose}} as the edit requirement is too high. Arbitrary edit count limits may actually encourage artificial or test edits in a sandbox. I'd be supportive of extending the timeframe from 24 hours to, say, 4 days, and require the user to have <code>autoconfirmed</code> privileges, but as written, though a [[w:WP:AGF|good-faith]] proposal, I can't support this. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
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| * {{Oppose}} This is a test wiki. I am in favor of increasing the requirements but what is proposed is excessive. [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 00:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC); <small>'''(something like 3 days and 50 edits will be good)''' [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 21:24, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small>
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| *:Not 50 edits, that's far too high. I'd support increasing the number of days to 4 days, but keep the edit requirements to 10-20. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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| * {{Oppose}} –[[User:Olipino|Olipino]] ([[User talk:Olipino|talk]]) 00:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
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| * <s>{{Oppose}} I am favourable of increasing said requirements, but as [[User:LocoSalas|@LocoSalas]] said, this is excessive. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Ronja</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Ronjapatch|u]] • [[User talk:Ronjapatch|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ronjapatch|c]])''</small> 06:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC) </s> <small> Blocked user [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 21:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)</small>
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| * I agree that 50 edits is too high but an increase of requirements is still necessary. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 21:55, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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| === Comments ===
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| * How to identify "trusted user"? By edits or others?<span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 04:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
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| '''Proposal:'''
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| * Users need to have sysop rights for at least fourteen (14) days
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| * Users need at least <code>XX</code> <sub>Suggestions are welcome</sub> edits
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| ** a significant number of the edits need to be constructive, not only testing edits
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| * Users need to show, that they are familiar with the [[Test Wiki:Policy|Test Wiki policies]] and that they have made edits/log entries recently that show that the users is working constructively.
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| ::Seems well. How about 7 days+50 edits like zhwp`s autoconfirmed user? Besides, remember to sign using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 13:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
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| :::Seems like a good time period and edit count. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 19:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
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| *Let`s start voting: Add following content to [[Test_Wiki:Bureaucrats]].
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| {{quotebox-2|
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| {{fakeh2|Standard}}
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| * Users need to have sysop rights for at least 7 days
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| * Users need at least <code>50</code> edits
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| *: a significant number of the edits need to be constructive, not only testing edits.
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| * Users need to show, that they are familiar with the [[Test Wiki:Policy|Test Wiki policies]] and that they have made edits/log entries recently that show that the users is working constructively.}}
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| <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 14:19, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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| ::{{re|Morneo06}} and {{re|ZhuofanWu}}, so you are saying <code>'crat</code> flag should be granted only to those users who have been here for a while and have made a dozens of helpful contributions? Why is it necessary?–[[User:Olipino|Olipino]] ([[User talk:Olipino|talk]]) 12:42, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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| :::{{re|Olipino}}Since BCs can grant him/herself <code>Bot</code> right, which can hide vandal edits or logs from recent changes unless you choose not to hide bot edits in the page. In a word, to prevent vandalism. <span style="text-shadow:0 1px 5px #002366">[[User:ZhuofanWu|Zhuofan]] [[User_talk:ZhuofanWu|Wu]]</span><sup>Cien años de soledad</sup> 12:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
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| ::::In my opinion, 3 days and 50 edits would be more suitable. [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 02:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
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| == Rename request ==
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| Could a steward please rename me into ''CrazyFisherman''? Thanks. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 23:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
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| :[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] Do you intend to use the username '''CrazyFisherman''' for the long-term, and is this part of a synchronization of your username across other wiki farms/wikis? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
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| ::Yes, I entend to use it for a long term but it is not part of any synchronization. --[[User:Morneo06|Morneo06]] ([[User talk:Morneo06|talk]]) 07:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
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| :::Okay, sounds good. I'll ping MacFan4000. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:12, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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| ::::{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 22:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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| == Question ==
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| Hi, I have a question. Templates [[Template:Citation Style documentation/agency|like this]] are necessary? They are not used on any page, as this is not Wikipedia. It seems to me that the appropriate thing would be to delete these types of templates. What do you think? [[User:LocoSalas|'''''LOCO''''']] <small>[[User talk:LocoSalas|🔥]]</small> 07:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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| :They are orphaned, if nobody opposes, feel free to delete the templates. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Ronja</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Ronjapatch|u]] • [[User talk:Ronjapatch|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ronjapatch|c]])''</small> 10:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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| == Can my name be changed please? ==
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| I'd like my name here to be changed to Seiyena please. Thank you! [[User:Fiona|Fiona]] ([[User talk:Fiona|talk]]) 01:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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| Can this be done? I like the name Seiyena more than Fiona because it seems more unique. [[User:Fiona|Fiona]] ([[User talk:Fiona|talk]]) 20:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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| : {{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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| == Adding Archive Header to [[Test Wiki:Request permissions]] ==
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| Hello all, Currently i added an Archive Header for all archived Pages Current Version of [[User:Sakura emad/header|/header]], Posted to just let you know for censuses. Thank you [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 11:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
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| just need some help with Main Page button cuz it does not work properly
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| :and i can't fix it for now thank you [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 12:21, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
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| ::{{done}} [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh]] ([[User talk:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|talk]]) 17:21, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
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| == Restriction of Administrator rights ==
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| Hello everyone
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| I want to explain something important to the community, it's about verification and Users who should or shouldn't have the right of admin, as for testing we already know this is a Test wiki where you can Test administrator actions, I would like to ask should we recklessly give Admin and bureaucrat right to anyone without confirming if they're Known users on Wikipedia?, I think we should ask them to confirm their account on Meta to know whether they get to benefit from using MediaWiki Tools or just for Fun.
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| what do you think?
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| :Thanks [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 17:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
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| :{{comment}}This issue may be against of privacy, while I'd like to say some of them may not be really well-famed Wikipedia users.[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]])
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| :: {{comment|Reply}} i am not saying we should not give i am saying we just have to install the verification level to know about the Person we give those Rights, Because we don't know if the User is Vandal or Constructive, my Request is nothing but installing a level of verifiably that shows user's Account on Meta or other websites account. [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 14:35, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
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| :::{{comment|Reply}} Even though they may be LTAs on metawiki or cross-wiki, you couldn't said they aren't come here for learning how to build castles in sandboxs as students. And some of them really don't want other known their account on Meta, for several reasons.[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 00:09, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
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| ::::{{comment|Reply}} ok let's hear other's opinion about that, thank you for the interest {{emoji|1F60A|size=28}} [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 01:33, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
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| I don't think it is necessary or has any advantages to ask for meta confirmation. There was a proposal about restricting bureaucrat rights some months ago which wasn't successful. –[[User:CrazyFisherman|CrazyFisherman]] ([[User talk:CrazyFisherman|talk]]) 22:05, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
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| ::{{ping|千村狐免}},please take a look of this change.
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| ::{{ping|千村狐免}},please take a look of this change.
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| [[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 10:35, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
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| :{{ping|Pavlov2}}What?--[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 12:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
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| :{{comment}}I don't think the administrator's authority should be restricted, even if it is the long-term abuse of meta-wiki or cross-wiki.--[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 12:40, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
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| : discussion closed i withdraw.[[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 12:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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| == Request Desysopped for Kapol1234 and a checkuser for sockpuppets ==
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| USER:Kapol1234 misused his administrator tools and blocked me wrongly said I'm using sockpuppets. But I can make a promise that these account such as Pavlov3 and MCC214 is definitely not controlled by me. Thus I came here to request for a desysopped for Kapol1234 and a check user between This account, Pavlov3, MCC214 and Kapol1234 himself.{{ping|MacFan4000}}
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| [[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 08:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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| {{ping|MacFan4000}}, In addition, I will be appreciate if you or other Steward could take a look of Kapol1234's log of using administrator tools. Much thanks.[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 08:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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| {{ping|Sakura emad}}[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 08:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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| These sockpuppets is not controlled by me , and l think it is controlled by Pavlov2 , because he had using sockpuppets before in Uncyclopedia , lf you check the sockpuppets and my account , please check Pavlov2 same.[[User:Kapol1234|Kapol1234]] ([[User talk:Kapol1234|talk]]) 09:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC){{ping|Sakura emad}}{{ping|MacFan4000}} {{unsigned|kapol1234| 09:38, 11 October 2021}}
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| i have no technical abilities to check any user's information. [[User:Sakura emad|🌸 Sakura emad 💖]] ([[User talk:Sakura emad|talk]]) 13:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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| {{ping|Kapol1234}}You should participate in the steward election to obtain Check user rights.--[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 12:38, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
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| This discussion is closed，because the proposal is invalid.--[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 12:46, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
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| {{reply|千村狐免}}，perhaps not as you said. The Check user rights may be held by Kapol1234 but without check user and said they are my sockpuppets and blocked me may seem as a misuse of administrator tools. For example, a sockpuppet [[User:MCC214]] leaves an attack message even on my talk page.[[User:Pavlov2|Pavlov2]] ([[User talk:Pavlov2|talk]]) 00:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
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| {{ping|Kapol1234}}{{ping|Pavlov2}}，Because I think this kind of proposal is disruptive, so I want to close this proposal,And I Think Those Sock puppets Can Duck. --[[User:千村狐免|<span style='font-weight:bold;font-family:"Lucida Console";color:#990033;'>千<i>村</i>狐免</span>]][[User talk:千村狐免|<sup style='font-weight:bold;color:#000;'> msg</sup>]] 04:26, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
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| {{ping|Pavlov2}}{ping|千村狐免}}I repeat again, this sockpuppet is not held my me.[[User:Kapol1234|Kapol1234]] ([[User talk:Kapol1234|talk]]) 10:26, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
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Thanks ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 15:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Done — You are free to reapply for user permissions when you return. Drummingman (talk) 08:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)