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The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in the preferences. LisafBia (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Systemadministrator

Inactivity for AFAs

Should inactivity for AFAs be measured in regular terms, or should it be measured by the last time an abuse filter was modified by an AFA, or perhaps even the last time a filter was modified to use a restricted action or a restricted filter was modified? I'd like to know consensus on this before I go and modify the inactivity policy. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would choose when the last time some AFA modified a regular abuse filter (without restricted actions). Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 02:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
We don't have a bot for it yet? That checks for inactivity? Justman10000 (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Nope. It's a manual process. Justarandomamerican (talk) 16:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Would be at least 3 months at least I can suggest. Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Request for System administratorship

Hello. I've been a Steward for around a solid year. I've also been involved in the behind the scenes technical stuff such as Phorge/Phabricator and GitHub for a while, writing requests and pull requests. I have basic technical knowledge as described in Test Wiki:System administrators. I think having an extra system administrator would speed things along on Phabricator, along with ensuring that there's a backup when MacFan4000 is busy. Feel free to ask any questions. Justarandomamerican (talk) 16:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Questions for the candidate

Support

  Support - You have been a steward with us for almost 1 year. This has given you the confidence to handle sensitive matters. You have also shown yourself to be a good steward. After all, we really need more System Administrators. Drummingman (talk) 16:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Support per Drummingman Gepard talk 16:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Support Trusted user. I wish the candidate luck with MediaWiki and other technical tools. LisafBia (talk) 17:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Support with no objections to you becoming a brand new system administrator. As you've been highly trusted for mostly a year, we wish you good luck having another very high-trust role here. Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 17:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Strong Support no concerns, trusted User with stewards privileges.---Infínítybσy7[@píng mє] 03:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Support - Fine by me! With the please that my PRs are better considered --Justman10000 (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Very strong support No concerns or complaints from this user, trusted user with Steward, bureaucrat, admin, and interface administrator privileges. As you have been a long-term legitimate user with being a Steward for at least an entire year, we wish you very good lock having you here as an extremely strong-trust role here. It's great if you know PHP, SSH, and Git (and to be even more trusted, Apache, Github, Phabricator, Linux Debian, MySQL, MariaDB, PostgreSQL, and/or SQLite), and you are so active here plus a trusted Steward. Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 14:48, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Support Looks good to me. DR (talk) 13:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oppose

Neutral/abstain

Discussion

Oh, but I'm not allowed to be? Interesting... And if you get it, me too one day, then that would be three (if not more)... Justman10000 (talk) 16:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm sure you can become one someday. Right now, it's your track record here on Test Wiki people are worried about, because you haven't been on here for all that long. All of our Stewards have had months to years of history here before becoming stewards, and there are no current non-founder sysadmins. I'd even encourage you to apply in the medium to long term future. We could use your help, but the community does not think you should be one right now. Justarandomamerican (talk) 16:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm just afraid that too much could exist if I want to nominate myself for the second time! Justman10000 (talk) 21:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I became a steward on my third request. When I put out a call for system administrators, there were no candidates. I doubt there will be too many system administrators by the time you try again. Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Do you know enough about MediaWiki software and SQL? If yes, how will you use this knowledge? Thanks for your help. LisafBia (talk) 16:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

MediaWiki: Yes, I've been involved in various small projects, and so have enough knowledge to, for example, install extensions, manage them, and change configuration settings.
SQL: I have only a bit of prior knowledge of SQL (again, from the various small projects), but can probably figure out how to, for example, change namespaces DB side as required by T71 or remove protection as required by T60. Justarandomamerican (talk) 16:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's OK there, Justarandomamerican. But you can learn SQL. Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 20:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Justarandomamerican: do you also intend to help with creating and modifying user groups? One example would be that admins can modify filters by default, and abuse filter admins (like me) and stewards can modify filters with restricted actions, as well as the ability to enable these actions. Thus, the AFA user right should only have one right, which is abusefilter-modify-restricted. Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 17:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I do intend to help out with that, and would be happy to remove redundant rights as required. Justarandomamerican (talk) 17:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Just out of curiosity and if possible, can you provide the link of the projects you worked on The AP (talk) 06:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Inactivity bot

Think about writing one! Should they revoke the permissions directly, or just notify? Justman10000 (talk) 16:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'd say it should send notifications to the community portal at first, and upon demonstrating it works, have it make rights temporary when the user will be considered inactive in 2 weeks. Justarandomamerican (talk) 16:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Systemadminstrator... or steward?

When would one be willing to accept me as a system administrator? I would be extremely unhappy to have to work for many months, a year or more! And would I have to become a steward first? Or could I be nominated and elected directly as a system administrator! Actually, the work itself says something about someone! Not the duration of the work Justman10000 (talk) 18:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

This is probably due to your account age, and please do not take this for granted, but your suitability to those high-trust roles (non-test roles) are what might concern me. Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 18:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Why? I mean, rejecting someone just because their account is too young... Actions are what define one, not the duration of one's collaboration Justman10000 (talk) 18:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
System administrators can shut down the wiki at any time they please. They can also make decisions such as amending the privacy policy or blocking entire IP addresses from even being able to access the site. For this reason, the community wants to see quality and quantity of contributions from prospective system administrators. The same goes for prospective members of any non-test role that can make major decisions, such as AFAs and Stewards. Justarandomamerican (talk) 19:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
And how old should an account be? Justman10000 (talk) 18:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Anywhere between 8 months to a year at least. Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 19:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
How did you come up with exactly 8? Could be only 6 or 5 too Justman10000 (talk) 22:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
So, how about this, I recommend you have between 7 and 12 months of activity at least and know how to use PHP, Git, and SSH, and also recommend getting a Github account and sign in to it. If you don't have a Github account, you can register a Github account. I would also recommend to be active on the Wiki and be an administrator or bureaucrat and suggest for the best experience before system administrator, I would at least recommend requesting Steward permissions and also get a server from Linux Debian, MySQL, MariaDB, PostgreSQL, or SQLite and have an understanding of it. To be a Steward you can have at least 5 or 6 months of activity at least. I suggest you also have an understanding of Apache HTTP Server. Please read and heed any advice you need. Thanks. Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 14:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
As I said, I've been working with Linux Debian for over 4 years! So I'm already familiar with everything mentioned! I've also had a GitHub account for years!
And do I have to wait the 7-12 months AFTER my successful election as a steward, or just add the rest from the 4-5 months after the steward election? Justman10000 (talk) 15:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm sorry, you just joined late. In addition, I should say that you are too new there for Steward or System Administrator privileges. However, according to ChatGPT:
"Yes, MediaWiki supports Linux Debian Server. MediaWiki, the software that powers Wikipedia, is designed to run on a variety of operating systems, including Linux. Debian, a popular Linux distribution, is well-suited for running MediaWiki due to its stability, security, and robust package management system."
It is OK to use Linux Debian there on MediaWiki, but learn how to use Git, PHP, and SSH and also be active on this wiki. Please read and heed any advice. Thanks. Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 20:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I know that MediaWiki also runs on Linux Debian? Huh? You indicated yourself that test wiki runs on a Linux Debian machine? And as I said, I already understand all mentioned Justman10000 (talk) 06:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Well, yep. Kinda so, according to ChatGPT. Just wait a few months and be active enough to become system administrator. You know? I'm not a system administrator either! Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 20:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
But I am sorry, Justman10000, this is a high trust role. Try again next time... Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 20:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't want to say that, but somehow... you're playing yourself up Justman10000 (talk) 08:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

It's real, not fake. And for true, only 1 is currently system administrator. However, this makes no flexibility for a regular steward to be flexible with a user that jumped from being a non-steward to a system administrator. Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 12:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'd like to clarify that this is a test wiki, which means that anyone can experiment with MediaWiki functionality here. Within this space, users can request various permissions except for sys admin and steward, specifically for testing purposes. Sys admin and steward rights are crucial for the smooth operation of this wiki and are not intended for testing purposes. Steward rights are granted to users who invest significant time here, and the community trusts their judgment for sensitive actions. Similarly, the system admin right is not given out for testing; it's essential for maintaining the wiki's smooth functioning. At the moment, we have one sys admin diligently fulfilling their duties. Should the need arise, the community or founder can nominate trusted and technically proficient users to take up the sys admin role. I hope this clarifies things. DR (talk) 13:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, this is correct, as gaining sysop and bureaucrat rights and being active for the wiki is the minimum for Steward or System Administrator rights, with additional System Administrators requiring know how to use PHP, Git, SSH, recommended MySQL, MariaDB, Linux Debian, SQLite, PostgreSQL, Apache, Github, and Phabricator and gaining Steward rights. Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 13:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Nothing I didn't already know Justman10000 (talk) 14:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
What does that have to do with my comment? Justman10000 (talk) 14:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Involving the user rights for you. Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 14:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Nominating Drummingman for system adminship