https://testwiki.wiki/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Tailsultimatefan3891&feedformat=atomTest Wiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T12:29:36ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.41.0https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:X&diff=38404User talk:X2024-03-13T11:29:31Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* I could not get to edit my talk page because of appealing. */</p>
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:Replied, sorry for the delay. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC)<br />
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signature test [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 02:50, 8 February 2024 (UTC)<br />
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:very fancy signature indeed [[User:Lolkikmoddi|Lolkikmoddi]] ([[User talk:Lolkikmoddi|talk]]) 16:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)<br />
::Haha, thank you. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 16:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)<br />
:::just copied my signature from wikipedia to here lol <span style="background-color: blue; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Lolkikmoddi|<span style="color: white">ModdiWX</span>]] [[User talk:Lolkikmoddi|<span style="color: white">(message me!)</span>]]</span> 16:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)<br />
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== I could not get to edit my talk page in thetestwiki.org because it was meant to appealing my block. ==<br />
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Why because of that topic discussed in the title above? (As username Tm8150switch88 in The Test Wiki) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 11:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:X&diff=38403User talk:X2024-03-13T11:28:52Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* I could not get to edit my talk page because of appealing. */ new section</p>
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:Replied, sorry for the delay. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC)<br />
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signature test [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 02:50, 8 February 2024 (UTC)<br />
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:very fancy signature indeed [[User:Lolkikmoddi|Lolkikmoddi]] ([[User talk:Lolkikmoddi|talk]]) 16:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)<br />
::Haha, thank you. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 16:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)<br />
:::just copied my signature from wikipedia to here lol <span style="background-color: blue; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:Lolkikmoddi|<span style="color: white">ModdiWX</span>]] [[User talk:Lolkikmoddi|<span style="color: white">(message me!)</span>]]</span> 16:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)<br />
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== I could not get to edit my talk page because of appealing. ==<br />
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Why because of that topic discussed in the title above? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 11:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 11:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=38402User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912024-03-13T11:27:26Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Unblock request */</p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
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{{welcome2}} [[User:CM3891|CM3891]] ([[User talk:CM3891|talk]]) 00:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Mass creation of pages==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Duplicate test page creations and file uploads==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br /> [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block==<br />
I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. <br />
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*Start of block: 2023-07-03T20:18:04<br />
*Expiration of block: no expiry set<br />
*Intended blockee: Tailsultimatefan3891<br />
*Block ID: #10587.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Partially blocked from [[Test Wiki:Community portal]]==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I was originally just going to give you a final warning, but had to partially block you as you subsequently posted a new discussion at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] immediately after my reverting your multiple added proposals in rapid succession. While it is an indefinite [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] block, I will unblock you immediately if you promise not to start more than one discussion as a ''person'' at any given time. That is to say, until a discussion you start as a person, regardless of which user account you started it under, has been closed, you are indefinitely prohibited from starting a new discussion concurrently.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll need you to reply to '''this thread''', please, stating you understand the conditions outlined herein. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll agree to the following conditions: (a) Multiple community portal dicussions are not accepted, (b) Inappropriate behavior not allowed, (c) Serious impacts of vandalism on the wiki (including trolling and bad faith behavior) and creating multiple community portal discussion will result in an ONESTRIKE block. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, looking at your block log and your prior warnings, I'm seeing you having reverted to the same abuse patterns, so to help us help you and avoid a potential community block, I'm going to extend your block to sitewide, with appeals considered not sooner than three months. I'll leave the <code>researcher</code> permission to help you assess what we mean by ''abuse''. Should an appeal be successful, the partial block will remain until you agree to the conditions I outlined above. Should you engage in sockpuppetry, the date for an appeal resets to the date of most recent proven sock. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would like to request that for a future sitewide unblock request to be accepted, they shall agree to a ban from the Template and Module namespaces, to be enforced by a partial block. There appears to be a recurring issue of cut-and-paste imports leading to a lot of broken templates. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's reasonable and probably a good idea. That can be added to their partial block should an appeal be accepted. Feel free to update the permalink to this revision on their user page. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This is completely unwarranted, and I strongly oppose it. We are really blocking people for posting too much at the community portal. Why? And then we extended it to sitewide. Why? And this is all after being given 0 warnings about community portal involvement. And then you make appeals for 3 months!?! For commenting too much on the community portal?!? I am dumbfounded. I think this block is completely unnecessary and I’d like it to be removed immediately @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Was the partial block necessary to prevent disruption at the time it was placed? I'd say so, given that they added a similar discussion to the ones being reverted after they were reverted. The sitewide block, however, is debatable. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Yeah, I think a warning was more appropriate, but I don’t think the temporary block was completely wrong. What I strongly oppose is the sitewide block. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I question the reason for the sitewide indef, {{ping|Dmehus}} what led you to believe they were returning to old ways? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know that as part of my unblock conditions, if I should slip back into old ways, people are to warn me first before blocking me up to 2 weeks. Why doesn't that apply to Tails as well? <br />
:::::::::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], it was actually [[Special:Redirect/logid/35887|your indef block in March 2023]] and the reasons for it, together with the behaviour precipitated the prior warnings on [[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|this user talk page]] and blocks. The edits in <code>Template:</code> and <code>Module:</code> did not help matters, either. In my view, I thought it would be best for the user to have a time out for a few months, to assess their behaviour reflectively, rather than have them continue and have it turn into a community block because the community was really annoyed. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think I agree with your reasoning now, it just needed explanation. Thanks! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::To be honest, I did consider a thirty-day time-limited block, but given the prior blocks, decided this was the better approach, but am happy to shorten it to one-month if you guys prefer. The partial blocks should be indef, though, I think. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I still don’t think this block was necessary now, and making them wait 3 months to appeal is cruel. Please switch to 1 month, or preferably just restore the partial block. Can you talk on Discord now? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I would not say it's ''cruel'' given the disruption. Isn't it ''worse'' to let someone stay here, continue to disrupt, and annoy the community so much as to precipitate a community block? If Justarandomamerican and Piccadilly both agree to shortening it to one-month, Justarandomamerican or I can do that. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::And yes, going there now. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I definitely agree to shortening the block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So do I. If the block expires and disruption continues, then perhaps an indef with a minimum of 3 months having passed to appeal is the way to go. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
Also, just a side comment about something unrelated. On Tails' user page, there is a link to what might be their English Wikipedia profile, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to their status here. I'm still globally locked on Wikimedia, but nobody seems to mind or feel the need to bring that up. I'm just wondering why that link was added, that's all. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Considering I had disruption in Fandom too, I had several socks, including Commonprenton, Existsnot, and Passwordsishere. Commonprenton and Existsnot had been blocked on Numberblocks Wiki in 2020 and the latter of which had been blocked on BFB Wiki in the same year. Considering this, my Wikimedia account "Commonprenton" created in July 2020 had been globally locked as of 2023 (Existsnot and Passwordsishere was not on Wikimedia). In May 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked from Wikipedia due to disruptive editing, with TPA revoked the same day the IP was blocked. In June 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked again, with TPA revoked, due to extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues and disruptive editing (remained until 1 month after the block was made). In October 2021, Gldgenga471834gldben was created and was warned by numberous users, last edit on December 30, 2021. In June 2022, 100.11.93.56 was persistently changing Gldgenga471834gldben's talk page, including instant abuse filters. The same month, Among Us for Potus (the Wikipedia user) warned the IP, then blocked by Liz (expired the same month). 100.11.93.56 and Vegrar81uyiA80 (the month the user was created was June 2022 as well, created because Gldgenga471834gldben's password was lost) were both [[Wikipedia:WP:BADHAND|BADHAND]] accounts. The same month, 100.11.93.56 was used for creating more WNR and NROS, final warning by BF10. In July 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x used made, it was the user page to used to be Gldgenga471834gldben and Vegrar81uyiA80, the same day it was made, blocked by Hoary (and Gldgenga471834gldben was blocked by the same admin as well). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 and Cdmxm8807i8x made a comeback editing their user talk pages, but the same month, Vegrar81uyiA80's TPA was revoked by Yamla. In August 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x was blocked on Commons. In September 2022, the Wikimedia user with the same username of my username was created, and it was blocked just about 2 days after it was made. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 02:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So the user on Wikipedia with the same name isn't you? Just wondering. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 02:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I also have Existsnot globally blocked on Fandom, globally locked later. Probably that neither are any of the socks I made (Commonprenton, Existsnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) has ever made an edit to Fandom Test Wiki.     Also in June 2022, 100.11.93.56, he lost access to his IP talk page on Wikipedia, but he wasn't blocked on BetaWiki, even a single block. I never edited on Miraheze, WikiTide, or For-Test Wiki before. Well, also, in July 2022, earlier before Cdmxm8807i8x was registered on Wikimedia, 100.11.127.115 started disruptive behavior, including reverting removal of Vegrar81uyiA80's message on Gldgenga471834glbdben's user talk page (the user belonging this user talk page was not blocked yet, but later this month). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 was on Test Wikipedia, with TTW registered with username Tm8150switch88 on late of August 29, 2022. On September 28, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked as a sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective) on Wikipedia, along with Gldgenga471834gldben (effective), Vegrar81uyiA80, and Cdmxm8807i8x. The IP with Tailsultimatefan3891 was 100.11.109.128, later blocked, as a range block with all the other IPs in 100.11.64.0/18. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137176605]. There is also a link for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137165097 the block of Tailsultimatefan3891 Wikipedia account]. In October 2021, due to intimidating behavior/harassment and IP CheckUser privacy violations the image when had tested, Tm8150switch88 had been blocked on The Test Wiki, along with Vista[###], Vista[####], Switch98, Switch68, and other socks TM88 made. The same month, Tm8150switch88 was registered, later blocked by me when I'm an admin, changed block settings by Drummingman (and possibly X, Justarandomamerican, AlPaD, and/or Seiyena (now Piccadilly)). On November 1, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked on Meta-Wiki indefinitely vandalism and it was globally locked 2 days later (now unlocked, but I'm not using this account anymore since I disclosed it and I made a new account after Tailsultimatefan3891). In December 2022, All acconts Cdmxm8807i8x and older was globally locked for lock evasion of Tailsultimatefan3891 (the Wikimedia account). Numberous IPs was edited the same month through January of this year before Solaris5296 on Wikimedia was made again. On January 20, 2023, Solaris5296 was blocked on Wikipedia for suspected sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 23:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Also had Hubbycolipster391 and it was created on April 2023 and blocked only about several hours when the account was made. Around several of the wikis he was going to, he was blocked. I was also Tails6000D on Illogicopedia and Cg098 blocked me 3 times on that wiki, with unblock on the 1st block before it expired and TPA revoked on the 3rd block. The 3rd block is currently happening now. Here is the link for the Tails6000D blocks for Illogicopedia: [https://en.illogicopedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ATails6000D&type=block]. Also have my TTW accounts banned on October 11, 2022. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 22:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'll probably have to appeal to the community and have to see when an admin could block me. Please note that my block appeal reason must be copied to a discussion about unblock of Tailsultimatefan3891 at the community portal. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I'm never on Miraheze. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Existsnot was blocked on Arthur Wiki (the fandom wiki) for mini-modding another user, spam as first edits (later added): [https://arthur.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Log?page=User%3AExistsnot&type=block] and [https://arthur.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Existsnot]. This user also created this page: [https://arthur.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:Chartreuse_the_Bunny/@comment-45901250-20200609190822]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:33, 6 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Unblock request ==<br />
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Status: Done<br />
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Can you unblock me? I will never do the disruptive pattern of editing here again. I promise I will be behaving better. And I am acting more mature now. I will stop and think twice carefully this time, if one's edit is for mistake, I can easily undo or revert it. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:02, 13 March 2024 (UTC)<br />
:I don't see why you ''can't'' have a chance to contribute productively to Templates and Modules. Just be careful. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)<br />
::Fine, I will be really careful when I edit templates and modules, and even I am not even blocked on Miraheze or Fandom, as the username CVP8805a1. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 11:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=38353User:Tailsultimatefan38912024-03-13T01:16:58Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: I am not a member of Github anymore</p>
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==Reported proxies, IPs, and users==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]] for abusive proxies, IPs, and users</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=38352User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912024-03-13T01:02:52Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Unblock request */ new section</p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
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{{welcome2}} [[User:CM3891|CM3891]] ([[User talk:CM3891|talk]]) 00:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Add permissions==<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==User rights==<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Bureaucrat==<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==False positive==<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Mass creation of pages==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Duplicate test page creations and file uploads==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br /> [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block==<br />
I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. <br />
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*Start of block: 2023-07-03T20:18:04<br />
*Expiration of block: no expiry set<br />
*Intended blockee: Tailsultimatefan3891<br />
*Block ID: #10587.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Partially blocked from [[Test Wiki:Community portal]]==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I was originally just going to give you a final warning, but had to partially block you as you subsequently posted a new discussion at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] immediately after my reverting your multiple added proposals in rapid succession. While it is an indefinite [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] block, I will unblock you immediately if you promise not to start more than one discussion as a ''person'' at any given time. That is to say, until a discussion you start as a person, regardless of which user account you started it under, has been closed, you are indefinitely prohibited from starting a new discussion concurrently.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll need you to reply to '''this thread''', please, stating you understand the conditions outlined herein. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll agree to the following conditions: (a) Multiple community portal dicussions are not accepted, (b) Inappropriate behavior not allowed, (c) Serious impacts of vandalism on the wiki (including trolling and bad faith behavior) and creating multiple community portal discussion will result in an ONESTRIKE block. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, looking at your block log and your prior warnings, I'm seeing you having reverted to the same abuse patterns, so to help us help you and avoid a potential community block, I'm going to extend your block to sitewide, with appeals considered not sooner than three months. I'll leave the <code>researcher</code> permission to help you assess what we mean by ''abuse''. Should an appeal be successful, the partial block will remain until you agree to the conditions I outlined above. Should you engage in sockpuppetry, the date for an appeal resets to the date of most recent proven sock. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would like to request that for a future sitewide unblock request to be accepted, they shall agree to a ban from the Template and Module namespaces, to be enforced by a partial block. There appears to be a recurring issue of cut-and-paste imports leading to a lot of broken templates. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's reasonable and probably a good idea. That can be added to their partial block should an appeal be accepted. Feel free to update the permalink to this revision on their user page. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This is completely unwarranted, and I strongly oppose it. We are really blocking people for posting too much at the community portal. Why? And then we extended it to sitewide. Why? And this is all after being given 0 warnings about community portal involvement. And then you make appeals for 3 months!?! For commenting too much on the community portal?!? I am dumbfounded. I think this block is completely unnecessary and I’d like it to be removed immediately @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Was the partial block necessary to prevent disruption at the time it was placed? I'd say so, given that they added a similar discussion to the ones being reverted after they were reverted. The sitewide block, however, is debatable. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Yeah, I think a warning was more appropriate, but I don’t think the temporary block was completely wrong. What I strongly oppose is the sitewide block. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I question the reason for the sitewide indef, {{ping|Dmehus}} what led you to believe they were returning to old ways? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know that as part of my unblock conditions, if I should slip back into old ways, people are to warn me first before blocking me up to 2 weeks. Why doesn't that apply to Tails as well? <br />
:::::::::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], it was actually [[Special:Redirect/logid/35887|your indef block in March 2023]] and the reasons for it, together with the behaviour precipitated the prior warnings on [[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|this user talk page]] and blocks. The edits in <code>Template:</code> and <code>Module:</code> did not help matters, either. In my view, I thought it would be best for the user to have a time out for a few months, to assess their behaviour reflectively, rather than have them continue and have it turn into a community block because the community was really annoyed. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think I agree with your reasoning now, it just needed explanation. Thanks! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::To be honest, I did consider a thirty-day time-limited block, but given the prior blocks, decided this was the better approach, but am happy to shorten it to one-month if you guys prefer. The partial blocks should be indef, though, I think. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I still don’t think this block was necessary now, and making them wait 3 months to appeal is cruel. Please switch to 1 month, or preferably just restore the partial block. Can you talk on Discord now? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I would not say it's ''cruel'' given the disruption. Isn't it ''worse'' to let someone stay here, continue to disrupt, and annoy the community so much as to precipitate a community block? If Justarandomamerican and Piccadilly both agree to shortening it to one-month, Justarandomamerican or I can do that. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::And yes, going there now. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I definitely agree to shortening the block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So do I. If the block expires and disruption continues, then perhaps an indef with a minimum of 3 months having passed to appeal is the way to go. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
Also, just a side comment about something unrelated. On Tails' user page, there is a link to what might be their English Wikipedia profile, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to their status here. I'm still globally locked on Wikimedia, but nobody seems to mind or feel the need to bring that up. I'm just wondering why that link was added, that's all. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Considering I had disruption in Fandom too, I had several socks, including Commonprenton, Existsnot, and Passwordsishere. Commonprenton and Existsnot had been blocked on Numberblocks Wiki in 2020 and the latter of which had been blocked on BFB Wiki in the same year. Considering this, my Wikimedia account "Commonprenton" created in July 2020 had been globally locked as of 2023 (Existsnot and Passwordsishere was not on Wikimedia). In May 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked from Wikipedia due to disruptive editing, with TPA revoked the same day the IP was blocked. In June 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked again, with TPA revoked, due to extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues and disruptive editing (remained until 1 month after the block was made). In October 2021, Gldgenga471834gldben was created and was warned by numberous users, last edit on December 30, 2021. In June 2022, 100.11.93.56 was persistently changing Gldgenga471834gldben's talk page, including instant abuse filters. The same month, Among Us for Potus (the Wikipedia user) warned the IP, then blocked by Liz (expired the same month). 100.11.93.56 and Vegrar81uyiA80 (the month the user was created was June 2022 as well, created because Gldgenga471834gldben's password was lost) were both [[Wikipedia:WP:BADHAND|BADHAND]] accounts. The same month, 100.11.93.56 was used for creating more WNR and NROS, final warning by BF10. In July 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x used made, it was the user page to used to be Gldgenga471834gldben and Vegrar81uyiA80, the same day it was made, blocked by Hoary (and Gldgenga471834gldben was blocked by the same admin as well). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 and Cdmxm8807i8x made a comeback editing their user talk pages, but the same month, Vegrar81uyiA80's TPA was revoked by Yamla. In August 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x was blocked on Commons. In September 2022, the Wikimedia user with the same username of my username was created, and it was blocked just about 2 days after it was made. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 02:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So the user on Wikipedia with the same name isn't you? Just wondering. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 02:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I also have Existsnot globally blocked on Fandom, globally locked later. Probably that neither are any of the socks I made (Commonprenton, Existsnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) has ever made an edit to Fandom Test Wiki.     Also in June 2022, 100.11.93.56, he lost access to his IP talk page on Wikipedia, but he wasn't blocked on BetaWiki, even a single block. I never edited on Miraheze, WikiTide, or For-Test Wiki before. Well, also, in July 2022, earlier before Cdmxm8807i8x was registered on Wikimedia, 100.11.127.115 started disruptive behavior, including reverting removal of Vegrar81uyiA80's message on Gldgenga471834glbdben's user talk page (the user belonging this user talk page was not blocked yet, but later this month). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 was on Test Wikipedia, with TTW registered with username Tm8150switch88 on late of August 29, 2022. On September 28, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked as a sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective) on Wikipedia, along with Gldgenga471834gldben (effective), Vegrar81uyiA80, and Cdmxm8807i8x. The IP with Tailsultimatefan3891 was 100.11.109.128, later blocked, as a range block with all the other IPs in 100.11.64.0/18. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137176605]. There is also a link for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137165097 the block of Tailsultimatefan3891 Wikipedia account]. In October 2021, due to intimidating behavior/harassment and IP CheckUser privacy violations the image when had tested, Tm8150switch88 had been blocked on The Test Wiki, along with Vista[###], Vista[####], Switch98, Switch68, and other socks TM88 made. The same month, Tm8150switch88 was registered, later blocked by me when I'm an admin, changed block settings by Drummingman (and possibly X, Justarandomamerican, AlPaD, and/or Seiyena (now Piccadilly)). On November 1, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked on Meta-Wiki indefinitely vandalism and it was globally locked 2 days later (now unlocked, but I'm not using this account anymore since I disclosed it and I made a new account after Tailsultimatefan3891). In December 2022, All acconts Cdmxm8807i8x and older was globally locked for lock evasion of Tailsultimatefan3891 (the Wikimedia account). Numberous IPs was edited the same month through January of this year before Solaris5296 on Wikimedia was made again. On January 20, 2023, Solaris5296 was blocked on Wikipedia for suspected sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 23:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Also had Hubbycolipster391 and it was created on April 2023 and blocked only about several hours when the account was made. Around several of the wikis he was going to, he was blocked. I was also Tails6000D on Illogicopedia and Cg098 blocked me 3 times on that wiki, with unblock on the 1st block before it expired and TPA revoked on the 3rd block. The 3rd block is currently happening now. Here is the link for the Tails6000D blocks for Illogicopedia: [https://en.illogicopedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ATails6000D&type=block]. Also have my TTW accounts banned on October 11, 2022. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 22:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'll probably have to appeal to the community and have to see when an admin could block me. Please note that my block appeal reason must be copied to a discussion about unblock of Tailsultimatefan3891 at the community portal. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I'm never on Miraheze. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Existsnot was blocked on Arthur Wiki (the fandom wiki) for mini-modding another user, spam as first edits (later added): [https://arthur.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Log?page=User%3AExistsnot&type=block] and [https://arthur.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Existsnot]. This user also created this page: [https://arthur.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:Chartreuse_the_Bunny/@comment-45901250-20200609190822]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:33, 6 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Unblock request ==<br />
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Can you unblock me? I will never do the disruptive pattern of editing here again. I promise I will be behaving better. And I am acting more mature now. I will stop and think twice carefully this time, if one's edit is for mistake, I can easily undo or revert it. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:02, 13 March 2024 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28904User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-06T12:33:18Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: </p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==False positive==<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Mass creation of pages==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Duplicate test page creations and file uploads==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br /> [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block==<br />
I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. <br />
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*Start of block: 2023-07-03T20:18:04<br />
*Expiration of block: no expiry set<br />
*Intended blockee: Tailsultimatefan3891<br />
*Block ID: #10587.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Partially blocked from [[Test Wiki:Community portal]]==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I was originally just going to give you a final warning, but had to partially block you as you subsequently posted a new discussion at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] immediately after my reverting your multiple added proposals in rapid succession. While it is an indefinite [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] block, I will unblock you immediately if you promise not to start more than one discussion as a ''person'' at any given time. That is to say, until a discussion you start as a person, regardless of which user account you started it under, has been closed, you are indefinitely prohibited from starting a new discussion concurrently.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll need you to reply to '''this thread''', please, stating you understand the conditions outlined herein. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll agree to the following conditions: (a) Multiple community portal dicussions are not accepted, (b) Inappropriate behavior not allowed, (c) Serious impacts of vandalism on the wiki (including trolling and bad faith behavior) and creating multiple community portal discussion will result in an ONESTRIKE block. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, looking at your block log and your prior warnings, I'm seeing you having reverted to the same abuse patterns, so to help us help you and avoid a potential community block, I'm going to extend your block to sitewide, with appeals considered not sooner than three months. I'll leave the <code>researcher</code> permission to help you assess what we mean by ''abuse''. Should an appeal be successful, the partial block will remain until you agree to the conditions I outlined above. Should you engage in sockpuppetry, the date for an appeal resets to the date of most recent proven sock. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would like to request that for a future sitewide unblock request to be accepted, they shall agree to a ban from the Template and Module namespaces, to be enforced by a partial block. There appears to be a recurring issue of cut-and-paste imports leading to a lot of broken templates. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's reasonable and probably a good idea. That can be added to their partial block should an appeal be accepted. Feel free to update the permalink to this revision on their user page. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This is completely unwarranted, and I strongly oppose it. We are really blocking people for posting too much at the community portal. Why? And then we extended it to sitewide. Why? And this is all after being given 0 warnings about community portal involvement. And then you make appeals for 3 months!?! For commenting too much on the community portal?!? I am dumbfounded. I think this block is completely unnecessary and I’d like it to be removed immediately @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Was the partial block necessary to prevent disruption at the time it was placed? I'd say so, given that they added a similar discussion to the ones being reverted after they were reverted. The sitewide block, however, is debatable. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Yeah, I think a warning was more appropriate, but I don’t think the temporary block was completely wrong. What I strongly oppose is the sitewide block. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I question the reason for the sitewide indef, {{ping|Dmehus}} what led you to believe they were returning to old ways? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know that as part of my unblock conditions, if I should slip back into old ways, people are to warn me first before blocking me up to 2 weeks. Why doesn't that apply to Tails as well? <br />
:::::::::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], it was actually [[Special:Redirect/logid/35887|your indef block in March 2023]] and the reasons for it, together with the behaviour precipitated the prior warnings on [[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|this user talk page]] and blocks. The edits in <code>Template:</code> and <code>Module:</code> did not help matters, either. In my view, I thought it would be best for the user to have a time out for a few months, to assess their behaviour reflectively, rather than have them continue and have it turn into a community block because the community was really annoyed. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think I agree with your reasoning now, it just needed explanation. Thanks! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::To be honest, I did consider a thirty-day time-limited block, but given the prior blocks, decided this was the better approach, but am happy to shorten it to one-month if you guys prefer. The partial blocks should be indef, though, I think. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I still don’t think this block was necessary now, and making them wait 3 months to appeal is cruel. Please switch to 1 month, or preferably just restore the partial block. Can you talk on Discord now? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I would not say it's ''cruel'' given the disruption. Isn't it ''worse'' to let someone stay here, continue to disrupt, and annoy the community so much as to precipitate a community block? If Justarandomamerican and Piccadilly both agree to shortening it to one-month, Justarandomamerican or I can do that. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::And yes, going there now. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I definitely agree to shortening the block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So do I. If the block expires and disruption continues, then perhaps an indef with a minimum of 3 months having passed to appeal is the way to go. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
Also, just a side comment about something unrelated. On Tails' user page, there is a link to what might be their English Wikipedia profile, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to their status here. I'm still globally locked on Wikimedia, but nobody seems to mind or feel the need to bring that up. I'm just wondering why that link was added, that's all. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Considering I had disruption in Fandom too, I had several socks, including Commonprenton, Existsnot, and Passwordsishere. Commonprenton and Existsnot had been blocked on Numberblocks Wiki in 2020 and the latter of which had been blocked on BFB Wiki in the same year. Considering this, my Wikimedia account "Commonprenton" created in July 2020 had been globally locked as of 2023 (Existsnot and Passwordsishere was not on Wikimedia). In May 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked from Wikipedia due to disruptive editing, with TPA revoked the same day the IP was blocked. In June 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked again, with TPA revoked, due to extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues and disruptive editing (remained until 1 month after the block was made). In October 2021, Gldgenga471834gldben was created and was warned by numberous users, last edit on December 30, 2021. In June 2022, 100.11.93.56 was persistently changing Gldgenga471834gldben's talk page, including instant abuse filters. The same month, Among Us for Potus (the Wikipedia user) warned the IP, then blocked by Liz (expired the same month). 100.11.93.56 and Vegrar81uyiA80 (the month the user was created was June 2022 as well, created because Gldgenga471834gldben's password was lost) were both [[Wikipedia:WP:BADHAND|BADHAND]] accounts. The same month, 100.11.93.56 was used for creating more WNR and NROS, final warning by BF10. In July 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x used made, it was the user page to used to be Gldgenga471834gldben and Vegrar81uyiA80, the same day it was made, blocked by Hoary (and Gldgenga471834gldben was blocked by the same admin as well). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 and Cdmxm8807i8x made a comeback editing their user talk pages, but the same month, Vegrar81uyiA80's TPA was revoked by Yamla. In August 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x was blocked on Commons. In September 2022, the Wikimedia user with the same username of my username was created, and it was blocked just about 2 days after it was made. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 02:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So the user on Wikipedia with the same name isn't you? Just wondering. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 02:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I also have Existsnot globally blocked on Fandom, globally locked later. Probably that neither are any of the socks I made (Commonprenton, Existsnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) has ever made an edit to Fandom Test Wiki.     Also in June 2022, 100.11.93.56, he lost access to his IP talk page on Wikipedia, but he wasn't blocked on BetaWiki, even a single block. I never edited on Miraheze, WikiTide, or For-Test Wiki before. Well, also, in July 2022, earlier before Cdmxm8807i8x was registered on Wikimedia, 100.11.127.115 started disruptive behavior, including reverting removal of Vegrar81uyiA80's message on Gldgenga471834glbdben's user talk page (the user belonging this user talk page was not blocked yet, but later this month). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 was on Test Wikipedia, with TTW registered with username Tm8150switch88 on late of August 29, 2022. On September 28, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked as a sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective) on Wikipedia, along with Gldgenga471834gldben (effective), Vegrar81uyiA80, and Cdmxm8807i8x. The IP with Tailsultimatefan3891 was 100.11.109.128, later blocked, as a range block with all the other IPs in 100.11.64.0/18. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137176605]. There is also a link for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137165097 the block of Tailsultimatefan3891 Wikipedia account]. In October 2021, due to intimidating behavior/harassment and IP CheckUser privacy violations the image when had tested, Tm8150switch88 had been blocked on The Test Wiki, along with Vista[###], Vista[####], Switch98, Switch68, and other socks TM88 made. The same month, Tm8150switch88 was registered, later blocked by me when I'm an admin, changed block settings by Drummingman (and possibly X, Justarandomamerican, AlPaD, and/or Seiyena (now Piccadilly)). On November 1, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked on Meta-Wiki indefinitely vandalism and it was globally locked 2 days later (now unlocked, but I'm not using this account anymore since I disclosed it and I made a new account after Tailsultimatefan3891). In December 2022, All acconts Cdmxm8807i8x and older was globally locked for lock evasion of Tailsultimatefan3891 (the Wikimedia account). Numberous IPs was edited the same month through January of this year before Solaris5296 on Wikimedia was made again. On January 20, 2023, Solaris5296 was blocked on Wikipedia for suspected sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 23:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Also had Hubbycolipster391 and it was created on April 2023 and blocked only about several hours when the account was made. Around several of the wikis he was going to, he was blocked. I was also Tails6000D on Illogicopedia and Cg098 blocked me 3 times on that wiki, with unblock on the 1st block before it expired and TPA revoked on the 3rd block. The 3rd block is currently happening now. Here is the link for the Tails6000D blocks for Illogicopedia: [https://en.illogicopedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ATails6000D&type=block]. Also have my TTW accounts banned on October 11, 2022. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 22:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'll probably have to appeal to the community and have to see when an admin could block me. Please note that my block appeal reason must be copied to a discussion about unblock of Tailsultimatefan3891 at the community portal. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I'm never on Miraheze. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Existsnot was blocked on Arthur Wiki (the fandom wiki) for mini-modding another user, spam as first edits (later added): [https://arthur.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Log?page=User%3AExistsnot&type=block] and [https://arthur.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Existsnot]. This user also created this page: [https://arthur.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:Chartreuse_the_Bunny/@comment-45901250-20200609190822]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:33, 6 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28903User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-06T12:32:37Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Partially blocked from Test Wiki:Community portal */</p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Mass creation of pages==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Duplicate test page creations and file uploads==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br /> [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block==<br />
I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. <br />
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*Start of block: 2023-07-03T20:18:04<br />
*Expiration of block: no expiry set<br />
*Intended blockee: Tailsultimatefan3891<br />
*Block ID: #10587.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Partially blocked from [[Test Wiki:Community portal]]==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I was originally just going to give you a final warning, but had to partially block you as you subsequently posted a new discussion at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] immediately after my reverting your multiple added proposals in rapid succession. While it is an indefinite [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] block, I will unblock you immediately if you promise not to start more than one discussion as a ''person'' at any given time. That is to say, until a discussion you start as a person, regardless of which user account you started it under, has been closed, you are indefinitely prohibited from starting a new discussion concurrently.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll need you to reply to '''this thread''', please, stating you understand the conditions outlined herein. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll agree to the following conditions: (a) Multiple community portal dicussions are not accepted, (b) Inappropriate behavior not allowed, (c) Serious impacts of vandalism on the wiki (including trolling and bad faith behavior) and creating multiple community portal discussion will result in an ONESTRIKE block. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, looking at your block log and your prior warnings, I'm seeing you having reverted to the same abuse patterns, so to help us help you and avoid a potential community block, I'm going to extend your block to sitewide, with appeals considered not sooner than three months. I'll leave the <code>researcher</code> permission to help you assess what we mean by ''abuse''. Should an appeal be successful, the partial block will remain until you agree to the conditions I outlined above. Should you engage in sockpuppetry, the date for an appeal resets to the date of most recent proven sock. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would like to request that for a future sitewide unblock request to be accepted, they shall agree to a ban from the Template and Module namespaces, to be enforced by a partial block. There appears to be a recurring issue of cut-and-paste imports leading to a lot of broken templates. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's reasonable and probably a good idea. That can be added to their partial block should an appeal be accepted. Feel free to update the permalink to this revision on their user page. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This is completely unwarranted, and I strongly oppose it. We are really blocking people for posting too much at the community portal. Why? And then we extended it to sitewide. Why? And this is all after being given 0 warnings about community portal involvement. And then you make appeals for 3 months!?! For commenting too much on the community portal?!? I am dumbfounded. I think this block is completely unnecessary and I’d like it to be removed immediately @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Was the partial block necessary to prevent disruption at the time it was placed? I'd say so, given that they added a similar discussion to the ones being reverted after they were reverted. The sitewide block, however, is debatable. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Yeah, I think a warning was more appropriate, but I don’t think the temporary block was completely wrong. What I strongly oppose is the sitewide block. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I question the reason for the sitewide indef, {{ping|Dmehus}} what led you to believe they were returning to old ways? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know that as part of my unblock conditions, if I should slip back into old ways, people are to warn me first before blocking me up to 2 weeks. Why doesn't that apply to Tails as well? <br />
:::::::::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], it was actually [[Special:Redirect/logid/35887|your indef block in March 2023]] and the reasons for it, together with the behaviour precipitated the prior warnings on [[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|this user talk page]] and blocks. The edits in <code>Template:</code> and <code>Module:</code> did not help matters, either. In my view, I thought it would be best for the user to have a time out for a few months, to assess their behaviour reflectively, rather than have them continue and have it turn into a community block because the community was really annoyed. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think I agree with your reasoning now, it just needed explanation. Thanks! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::To be honest, I did consider a thirty-day time-limited block, but given the prior blocks, decided this was the better approach, but am happy to shorten it to one-month if you guys prefer. The partial blocks should be indef, though, I think. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I still don’t think this block was necessary now, and making them wait 3 months to appeal is cruel. Please switch to 1 month, or preferably just restore the partial block. Can you talk on Discord now? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I would not say it's ''cruel'' given the disruption. Isn't it ''worse'' to let someone stay here, continue to disrupt, and annoy the community so much as to precipitate a community block? If Justarandomamerican and Piccadilly both agree to shortening it to one-month, Justarandomamerican or I can do that. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::And yes, going there now. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I definitely agree to shortening the block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So do I. If the block expires and disruption continues, then perhaps an indef with a minimum of 3 months having passed to appeal is the way to go. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
Also, just a side comment about something unrelated. On Tails' user page, there is a link to what might be their English Wikipedia profile, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to their status here. I'm still globally locked on Wikimedia, but nobody seems to mind or feel the need to bring that up. I'm just wondering why that link was added, that's all. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Considering I had disruption in Fandom too, I had several socks, including Commonprenton, Existsnot, and Passwordsishere. Commonprenton and Existsnot had been blocked on Numberblocks Wiki in 2020 and the latter of which had been blocked on BFB Wiki in the same year. Considering this, my Wikimedia account "Commonprenton" created in July 2020 had been globally locked as of 2023 (Existsnot and Passwordsishere was not on Wikimedia). In May 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked from Wikipedia due to disruptive editing, with TPA revoked the same day the IP was blocked. In June 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked again, with TPA revoked, due to extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues and disruptive editing (remained until 1 month after the block was made). In October 2021, Gldgenga471834gldben was created and was warned by numberous users, last edit on December 30, 2021. In June 2022, 100.11.93.56 was persistently changing Gldgenga471834gldben's talk page, including instant abuse filters. The same month, Among Us for Potus (the Wikipedia user) warned the IP, then blocked by Liz (expired the same month). 100.11.93.56 and Vegrar81uyiA80 (the month the user was created was June 2022 as well, created because Gldgenga471834gldben's password was lost) were both [[Wikipedia:WP:BADHAND|BADHAND]] accounts. The same month, 100.11.93.56 was used for creating more WNR and NROS, final warning by BF10. In July 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x used made, it was the user page to used to be Gldgenga471834gldben and Vegrar81uyiA80, the same day it was made, blocked by Hoary (and Gldgenga471834gldben was blocked by the same admin as well). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 and Cdmxm8807i8x made a comeback editing their user talk pages, but the same month, Vegrar81uyiA80's TPA was revoked by Yamla. In August 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x was blocked on Commons. In September 2022, the Wikimedia user with the same username of my username was created, and it was blocked just about 2 days after it was made. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 02:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So the user on Wikipedia with the same name isn't you? Just wondering. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 02:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I also have Existsnot globally blocked on Fandom, globally locked later. Probably that neither are any of the socks I made (Commonprenton, Existsnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) has ever made an edit to Fandom Test Wiki.     Also in June 2022, 100.11.93.56, he lost access to his IP talk page on Wikipedia, but he wasn't blocked on BetaWiki, even a single block. I never edited on Miraheze, WikiTide, or For-Test Wiki before. Well, also, in July 2022, earlier before Cdmxm8807i8x was registered on Wikimedia, 100.11.127.115 started disruptive behavior, including reverting removal of Vegrar81uyiA80's message on Gldgenga471834glbdben's user talk page (the user belonging this user talk page was not blocked yet, but later this month). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 was on Test Wikipedia, with TTW registered with username Tm8150switch88 on late of August 29, 2022. On September 28, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked as a sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective) on Wikipedia, along with Gldgenga471834gldben (effective), Vegrar81uyiA80, and Cdmxm8807i8x. The IP with Tailsultimatefan3891 was 100.11.109.128, later blocked, as a range block with all the other IPs in 100.11.64.0/18. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137176605]. There is also a link for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137165097 the block of Tailsultimatefan3891 Wikipedia account]. In October 2021, due to intimidating behavior/harassment and IP CheckUser privacy violations the image when had tested, Tm8150switch88 had been blocked on The Test Wiki, along with Vista[###], Vista[####], Switch98, Switch68, and other socks TM88 made. The same month, Tm8150switch88 was registered, later blocked by me when I'm an admin, changed block settings by Drummingman (and possibly X, Justarandomamerican, AlPaD, and/or Seiyena (now Piccadilly)). On November 1, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked on Meta-Wiki indefinitely vandalism and it was globally locked 2 days later (now unlocked, but I'm not using this account anymore since I disclosed it and I made a new account after Tailsultimatefan3891). In December 2022, All acconts Cdmxm8807i8x and older was globally locked for lock evasion of Tailsultimatefan3891 (the Wikimedia account). Numberous IPs was edited the same month through January of this year before Solaris5296 on Wikimedia was made again. On January 20, 2023, Solaris5296 was blocked on Wikipedia for suspected sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 23:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Also had Hubbycolipster391 and it was created on April 2023 and blocked only about several hours when the account was made. Around several of the wikis he was going to, he was blocked. I was also Tails6000D on Illogicopedia and Cg098 blocked me 3 times on that wiki, with unblock on the 1st block before it expired and TPA revoked on the 3rd block. The 3rd block is currently happening now. Here is the link for the Tails6000D blocks for Illogicopedia: [https://en.illogicopedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ATails6000D&type=block]. Also have my TTW accounts banned on October 11, 2022. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 22:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'll probably have to appeal to the community and have to see when an admin could block me. Please note that my block appeal reason must be copied to a discussion about unblock of Tailsultimatefan3891 at the community portal. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I'm never on Miraheze. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Existsnot was blocked on Arthur Wiki (the fandom wiki) for mini-modding another user, spam as first edits (later added): [https://arthur.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Log?page=User%3AExistsnot&type=block] and [https://arthur.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Existsnot]. This user also created this page: [https://arthur.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:Chartreuse_the_Bunny/@comment-45901250-20200609190822].</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28902User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-06T12:29:13Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Partially blocked from Test Wiki:Community portal */</p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Mass creation of pages==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Duplicate test page creations and file uploads==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br /> [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block==<br />
I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. <br />
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*Start of block: 2023-07-03T20:18:04<br />
*Expiration of block: no expiry set<br />
*Intended blockee: Tailsultimatefan3891<br />
*Block ID: #10587.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Partially blocked from [[Test Wiki:Community portal]]==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I was originally just going to give you a final warning, but had to partially block you as you subsequently posted a new discussion at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] immediately after my reverting your multiple added proposals in rapid succession. While it is an indefinite [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] block, I will unblock you immediately if you promise not to start more than one discussion as a ''person'' at any given time. That is to say, until a discussion you start as a person, regardless of which user account you started it under, has been closed, you are indefinitely prohibited from starting a new discussion concurrently.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll need you to reply to '''this thread''', please, stating you understand the conditions outlined herein. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll agree to the following conditions: (a) Multiple community portal dicussions are not accepted, (b) Inappropriate behavior not allowed, (c) Serious impacts of vandalism on the wiki (including trolling and bad faith behavior) and creating multiple community portal discussion will result in an ONESTRIKE block. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, looking at your block log and your prior warnings, I'm seeing you having reverted to the same abuse patterns, so to help us help you and avoid a potential community block, I'm going to extend your block to sitewide, with appeals considered not sooner than three months. I'll leave the <code>researcher</code> permission to help you assess what we mean by ''abuse''. Should an appeal be successful, the partial block will remain until you agree to the conditions I outlined above. Should you engage in sockpuppetry, the date for an appeal resets to the date of most recent proven sock. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would like to request that for a future sitewide unblock request to be accepted, they shall agree to a ban from the Template and Module namespaces, to be enforced by a partial block. There appears to be a recurring issue of cut-and-paste imports leading to a lot of broken templates. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's reasonable and probably a good idea. That can be added to their partial block should an appeal be accepted. Feel free to update the permalink to this revision on their user page. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This is completely unwarranted, and I strongly oppose it. We are really blocking people for posting too much at the community portal. Why? And then we extended it to sitewide. Why? And this is all after being given 0 warnings about community portal involvement. And then you make appeals for 3 months!?! For commenting too much on the community portal?!? I am dumbfounded. I think this block is completely unnecessary and I’d like it to be removed immediately @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Was the partial block necessary to prevent disruption at the time it was placed? I'd say so, given that they added a similar discussion to the ones being reverted after they were reverted. The sitewide block, however, is debatable. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Yeah, I think a warning was more appropriate, but I don’t think the temporary block was completely wrong. What I strongly oppose is the sitewide block. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I question the reason for the sitewide indef, {{ping|Dmehus}} what led you to believe they were returning to old ways? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know that as part of my unblock conditions, if I should slip back into old ways, people are to warn me first before blocking me up to 2 weeks. Why doesn't that apply to Tails as well? <br />
:::::::::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], it was actually [[Special:Redirect/logid/35887|your indef block in March 2023]] and the reasons for it, together with the behaviour precipitated the prior warnings on [[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|this user talk page]] and blocks. The edits in <code>Template:</code> and <code>Module:</code> did not help matters, either. In my view, I thought it would be best for the user to have a time out for a few months, to assess their behaviour reflectively, rather than have them continue and have it turn into a community block because the community was really annoyed. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think I agree with your reasoning now, it just needed explanation. Thanks! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::To be honest, I did consider a thirty-day time-limited block, but given the prior blocks, decided this was the better approach, but am happy to shorten it to one-month if you guys prefer. The partial blocks should be indef, though, I think. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I still don’t think this block was necessary now, and making them wait 3 months to appeal is cruel. Please switch to 1 month, or preferably just restore the partial block. Can you talk on Discord now? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I would not say it's ''cruel'' given the disruption. Isn't it ''worse'' to let someone stay here, continue to disrupt, and annoy the community so much as to precipitate a community block? If Justarandomamerican and Piccadilly both agree to shortening it to one-month, Justarandomamerican or I can do that. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::And yes, going there now. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I definitely agree to shortening the block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So do I. If the block expires and disruption continues, then perhaps an indef with a minimum of 3 months having passed to appeal is the way to go. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
Also, just a side comment about something unrelated. On Tails' user page, there is a link to what might be their English Wikipedia profile, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to their status here. I'm still globally locked on Wikimedia, but nobody seems to mind or feel the need to bring that up. I'm just wondering why that link was added, that's all. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Considering I had disruption in Fandom too, I had several socks, including Commonprenton, Existsnot, and Passwordsishere. Commonprenton and Existsnot had been blocked on Numberblocks Wiki in 2020 and the latter of which had been blocked on BFB Wiki in the same year. Considering this, my Wikimedia account "Commonprenton" created in July 2020 had been globally locked as of 2023 (Existsnot and Passwordsishere was not on Wikimedia). In May 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked from Wikipedia due to disruptive editing, with TPA revoked the same day the IP was blocked. In June 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked again, with TPA revoked, due to extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues and disruptive editing (remained until 1 month after the block was made). In October 2021, Gldgenga471834gldben was created and was warned by numberous users, last edit on December 30, 2021. In June 2022, 100.11.93.56 was persistently changing Gldgenga471834gldben's talk page, including instant abuse filters. The same month, Among Us for Potus (the Wikipedia user) warned the IP, then blocked by Liz (expired the same month). 100.11.93.56 and Vegrar81uyiA80 (the month the user was created was June 2022 as well, created because Gldgenga471834gldben's password was lost) were both [[Wikipedia:WP:BADHAND|BADHAND]] accounts. The same month, 100.11.93.56 was used for creating more WNR and NROS, final warning by BF10. In July 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x used made, it was the user page to used to be Gldgenga471834gldben and Vegrar81uyiA80, the same day it was made, blocked by Hoary (and Gldgenga471834gldben was blocked by the same admin as well). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 and Cdmxm8807i8x made a comeback editing their user talk pages, but the same month, Vegrar81uyiA80's TPA was revoked by Yamla. In August 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x was blocked on Commons. In September 2022, the Wikimedia user with the same username of my username was created, and it was blocked just about 2 days after it was made. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 02:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So the user on Wikipedia with the same name isn't you? Just wondering. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 02:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I also have Existsnot globally blocked on Fandom, globally locked later. Probably that neither are any of the socks I made (Commonprenton, Existsnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) has ever made an edit to Fandom Test Wiki.     Also in June 2022, 100.11.93.56, he lost access to his IP talk page on Wikipedia, but he wasn't blocked on BetaWiki, even a single block. I never edited on Miraheze, WikiTide, or For-Test Wiki before. Well, also, in July 2022, earlier before Cdmxm8807i8x was registered on Wikimedia, 100.11.127.115 started disruptive behavior, including reverting removal of Vegrar81uyiA80's message on Gldgenga471834glbdben's user talk page (the user belonging this user talk page was not blocked yet, but later this month). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 was on Test Wikipedia, with TTW registered with username Tm8150switch88 on late of August 29, 2022. On September 28, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked as a sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective) on Wikipedia, along with Gldgenga471834gldben (effective), Vegrar81uyiA80, and Cdmxm8807i8x. The IP with Tailsultimatefan3891 was 100.11.109.128, later blocked, as a range block with all the other IPs in 100.11.64.0/18. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137176605]. There is also a link for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137165097 the block of Tailsultimatefan3891 Wikipedia account]. In October 2021, due to intimidating behavior/harassment and IP CheckUser privacy violations the image when had tested, Tm8150switch88 had been blocked on The Test Wiki, along with Vista[###], Vista[####], Switch98, Switch68, and other socks TM88 made. The same month, Tm8150switch88 was registered, later blocked by me when I'm an admin, changed block settings by Drummingman (and possibly X, Justarandomamerican, AlPaD, and/or Seiyena (now Piccadilly)). On November 1, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked on Meta-Wiki indefinitely vandalism and it was globally locked 2 days later (now unlocked, but I'm not using this account anymore since I disclosed it and I made a new account after Tailsultimatefan3891). In December 2022, All acconts Cdmxm8807i8x and older was globally locked for lock evasion of Tailsultimatefan3891 (the Wikimedia account). Numberous IPs was edited the same month through January of this year before Solaris5296 on Wikimedia was made again. On January 20, 2023, Solaris5296 was blocked on Wikipedia for suspected sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 23:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Also had Hubbycolipster391 and it was created on April 2023 and blocked only about several hours when the account was made. Around several of the wikis he was going to, he was blocked. I was also Tails6000D on Illogicopedia and Cg098 blocked me 3 times on that wiki, with unblock on the 1st block before it expired and TPA revoked on the 3rd block. The 3rd block is currently happening now. Here is the link for the Tails6000D blocks for Illogicopedia: [https://en.illogicopedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ATails6000D&type=block]. Also have my TTW accounts banned on October 11, 2022. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 22:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'll probably have to appeal to the community and have to see when an admin could block me. Please note that my block appeal reason must be copied to a discussion about unblock of Tailsultimatefan3891 at the community portal. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I'm never on Miraheze. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28901User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-06T12:28:30Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Partially blocked from Test Wiki:Community portal */</p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Mass creation of pages==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Duplicate test page creations and file uploads==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br /> [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block==<br />
I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. <br />
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*Start of block: 2023-07-03T20:18:04<br />
*Expiration of block: no expiry set<br />
*Intended blockee: Tailsultimatefan3891<br />
*Block ID: #10587.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Partially blocked from [[Test Wiki:Community portal]]==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I was originally just going to give you a final warning, but had to partially block you as you subsequently posted a new discussion at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] immediately after my reverting your multiple added proposals in rapid succession. While it is an indefinite [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] block, I will unblock you immediately if you promise not to start more than one discussion as a ''person'' at any given time. That is to say, until a discussion you start as a person, regardless of which user account you started it under, has been closed, you are indefinitely prohibited from starting a new discussion concurrently.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll need you to reply to '''this thread''', please, stating you understand the conditions outlined herein. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll agree to the following conditions: (a) Multiple community portal dicussions are not accepted, (b) Inappropriate behavior not allowed, (c) Serious impacts of vandalism on the wiki (including trolling and bad faith behavior) and creating multiple community portal discussion will result in an ONESTRIKE block. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, looking at your block log and your prior warnings, I'm seeing you having reverted to the same abuse patterns, so to help us help you and avoid a potential community block, I'm going to extend your block to sitewide, with appeals considered not sooner than three months. I'll leave the <code>researcher</code> permission to help you assess what we mean by ''abuse''. Should an appeal be successful, the partial block will remain until you agree to the conditions I outlined above. Should you engage in sockpuppetry, the date for an appeal resets to the date of most recent proven sock. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would like to request that for a future sitewide unblock request to be accepted, they shall agree to a ban from the Template and Module namespaces, to be enforced by a partial block. There appears to be a recurring issue of cut-and-paste imports leading to a lot of broken templates. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's reasonable and probably a good idea. That can be added to their partial block should an appeal be accepted. Feel free to update the permalink to this revision on their user page. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This is completely unwarranted, and I strongly oppose it. We are really blocking people for posting too much at the community portal. Why? And then we extended it to sitewide. Why? And this is all after being given 0 warnings about community portal involvement. And then you make appeals for 3 months!?! For commenting too much on the community portal?!? I am dumbfounded. I think this block is completely unnecessary and I’d like it to be removed immediately @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Was the partial block necessary to prevent disruption at the time it was placed? I'd say so, given that they added a similar discussion to the ones being reverted after they were reverted. The sitewide block, however, is debatable. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Yeah, I think a warning was more appropriate, but I don’t think the temporary block was completely wrong. What I strongly oppose is the sitewide block. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I question the reason for the sitewide indef, {{ping|Dmehus}} what led you to believe they were returning to old ways? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know that as part of my unblock conditions, if I should slip back into old ways, people are to warn me first before blocking me up to 2 weeks. Why doesn't that apply to Tails as well? <br />
:::::::::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], it was actually [[Special:Redirect/logid/35887|your indef block in March 2023]] and the reasons for it, together with the behaviour precipitated the prior warnings on [[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|this user talk page]] and blocks. The edits in <code>Template:</code> and <code>Module:</code> did not help matters, either. In my view, I thought it would be best for the user to have a time out for a few months, to assess their behaviour reflectively, rather than have them continue and have it turn into a community block because the community was really annoyed. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think I agree with your reasoning now, it just needed explanation. Thanks! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::To be honest, I did consider a thirty-day time-limited block, but given the prior blocks, decided this was the better approach, but am happy to shorten it to one-month if you guys prefer. The partial blocks should be indef, though, I think. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I still don’t think this block was necessary now, and making them wait 3 months to appeal is cruel. Please switch to 1 month, or preferably just restore the partial block. Can you talk on Discord now? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I would not say it's ''cruel'' given the disruption. Isn't it ''worse'' to let someone stay here, continue to disrupt, and annoy the community so much as to precipitate a community block? If Justarandomamerican and Piccadilly both agree to shortening it to one-month, Justarandomamerican or I can do that. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::And yes, going there now. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I definitely agree to shortening the block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So do I. If the block expires and disruption continues, then perhaps an indef with a minimum of 3 months having passed to appeal is the way to go. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
Also, just a side comment about something unrelated. On Tails' user page, there is a link to what might be their English Wikipedia profile, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to their status here. I'm still globally locked on Wikimedia, but nobody seems to mind or feel the need to bring that up. I'm just wondering why that link was added, that's all. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Considering I had disruption in Fandom too, I had several socks, including Commonprenton, Existsnot, and Passwordsishere. Commonprenton and Existsnot had been blocked on Numberblocks Wiki in 2020 and the latter of which had been blocked on BFB Wiki in the same year. Considering this, my Wikimedia account "Commonprenton" created in July 2020 had been globally locked as of 2023 (Existsnot and Passwordsishere was not on Wikimedia). In May 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked from Wikipedia due to disruptive editing, with TPA revoked the same day the IP was blocked. In June 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked again, with TPA revoked, due to extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues and disruptive editing (remained until 1 month after the block was made). In October 2021, Gldgenga471834gldben was created and was warned by numberous users, last edit on December 30, 2021. In June 2022, 100.11.93.56 was persistently changing Gldgenga471834gldben's talk page, including instant abuse filters. The same month, Among Us for Potus (the Wikipedia user) warned the IP, then blocked by Liz (expired the same month). 100.11.93.56 and Vegrar81uyiA80 (the month the user was created was June 2022 as well, created because Gldgenga471834gldben's password was lost) were both [[Wikipedia:WP:BADHAND|BADHAND]] accounts. The same month, 100.11.93.56 was used for creating more WNR and NROS, final warning by BF10. In July 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x used made, it was the user page to used to be Gldgenga471834gldben and Vegrar81uyiA80, the same day it was made, blocked by Hoary (and Gldgenga471834gldben was blocked by the same admin as well). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 and Cdmxm8807i8x made a comeback editing their user talk pages, but the same month, Vegrar81uyiA80's TPA was revoked by Yamla. In August 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x was blocked on Commons. In September 2022, the Wikimedia user with the same username of my username was created, and it was blocked just about 2 days after it was made. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 02:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So the user on Wikipedia with the same name isn't you? Just wondering. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 02:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I also have Existsnot globally blocked on Fandom, globally locked later. Probably that neither are any of the socks I made (Commonprenton, Existsnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) has ever made an edit to Fandom Test Wiki.     Also in June 2022, 100.11.93.56, he lost access to his IP talk page on Wikipedia, but he wasn't blocked on BetaWiki, even a single block. I never edited on Miraheze, WikiTide, or For-Test Wiki before. Well, also, in July 2022, earlier before Cdmxm8807i8x was registered on Wikimedia, 100.11.127.115 started disruptive behavior, including reverting removal of Vegrar81uyiA80's message on Gldgenga471834glbdben's user talk page (the user belonging this user talk page was not blocked yet, but later this month). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 was on Test Wikipedia, with TTW registered with username Tm8150switch88 on late of August 29, 2022. On September 28, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked as a sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective) on Wikipedia, along with Gldgenga471834gldben (effective), Vegrar81uyiA80, and Cdmxm8807i8x. The IP with Tailsultimatefan3891 was 100.11.109.128, later blocked, as a range block with all the other IPs in 100.11.64.0/18. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137176605]. There is also a link for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137165097 the block of Tailsultimatefan3891 Wikipedia account]. In October 2021, due to intimidating behavior/harassment and IP CheckUser privacy violations the image when had tested, Tm8150switch88 had been blocked on The Test Wiki, along with Vista[###], Vista[####], Switch98, Switch68, and other socks TM88 made. The same month, Tm8150switch88 was registered, later blocked by me when I'm an admin, changed block settings by Drummingman (and possibly X, Justarandomamerican, AlPaD, and/or Seiyena (now Piccadilly)). On November 1, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked on Meta-Wiki indefinitely vandalism and it was globally locked 2 days later (now unlocked, but I'm not using this account anymore since I disclosed it and I made a new account after Tailsultimatefan3891). In December 2022, All acconts Cdmxm8807i8x and older was globally locked for lock evasion of Tailsultimatefan3891 (the Wikimedia account). Numberous IPs was edited the same month through January of this year before Solaris5296 on Wikimedia was made again. On January 20, 2023, Solaris5296 was blocked on Wikipedia for suspected sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 23:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Also had Hubbycolipster391 and it was created on April 2023 and blocked only about several hours when the account was made. Around several of the wikis he was going to, he was blocked. I was also Tails6000D on Illogicopedia and Cg098 blocked me 3 times on that wiki, with unblock on the 1st block before it expired and TPA revoked on the 3rd block. The 3rd block is currently happening now. Here is the link for the Tails6000D blocks for Illogicopedia: [https://en.illogicopedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ATails6000D&type=block]. Also have my TTW accounts banned on October 11, 2022. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 22:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I'll probably have to appeal to the community and have to see when an admin could block me. Please note that my block appeal reason must be copied to a discussion about unblock of Tailsultimatefan3891 at the community portal. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 12:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28900User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-06T12:22:07Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Partially blocked from Test Wiki:Community portal */</p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Mass creation of pages==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Duplicate test page creations and file uploads==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br /> [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block==<br />
I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. <br />
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*Start of block: 2023-07-03T20:18:04<br />
*Expiration of block: no expiry set<br />
*Intended blockee: Tailsultimatefan3891<br />
*Block ID: #10587.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Partially blocked from [[Test Wiki:Community portal]]==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I was originally just going to give you a final warning, but had to partially block you as you subsequently posted a new discussion at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] immediately after my reverting your multiple added proposals in rapid succession. While it is an indefinite [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] block, I will unblock you immediately if you promise not to start more than one discussion as a ''person'' at any given time. That is to say, until a discussion you start as a person, regardless of which user account you started it under, has been closed, you are indefinitely prohibited from starting a new discussion concurrently.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll need you to reply to '''this thread''', please, stating you understand the conditions outlined herein. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll agree to the following conditions: (a) Multiple community portal dicussions are not accepted, (b) Inappropriate behavior not allowed, (c) Serious impacts of vandalism on the wiki (including trolling and bad faith behavior) and creating multiple community portal discussion will result in an ONESTRIKE block. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, looking at your block log and your prior warnings, I'm seeing you having reverted to the same abuse patterns, so to help us help you and avoid a potential community block, I'm going to extend your block to sitewide, with appeals considered not sooner than three months. I'll leave the <code>researcher</code> permission to help you assess what we mean by ''abuse''. Should an appeal be successful, the partial block will remain until you agree to the conditions I outlined above. Should you engage in sockpuppetry, the date for an appeal resets to the date of most recent proven sock. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would like to request that for a future sitewide unblock request to be accepted, they shall agree to a ban from the Template and Module namespaces, to be enforced by a partial block. There appears to be a recurring issue of cut-and-paste imports leading to a lot of broken templates. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's reasonable and probably a good idea. That can be added to their partial block should an appeal be accepted. Feel free to update the permalink to this revision on their user page. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This is completely unwarranted, and I strongly oppose it. We are really blocking people for posting too much at the community portal. Why? And then we extended it to sitewide. Why? And this is all after being given 0 warnings about community portal involvement. And then you make appeals for 3 months!?! For commenting too much on the community portal?!? I am dumbfounded. I think this block is completely unnecessary and I’d like it to be removed immediately @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Was the partial block necessary to prevent disruption at the time it was placed? I'd say so, given that they added a similar discussion to the ones being reverted after they were reverted. The sitewide block, however, is debatable. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Yeah, I think a warning was more appropriate, but I don’t think the temporary block was completely wrong. What I strongly oppose is the sitewide block. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I question the reason for the sitewide indef, {{ping|Dmehus}} what led you to believe they were returning to old ways? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know that as part of my unblock conditions, if I should slip back into old ways, people are to warn me first before blocking me up to 2 weeks. Why doesn't that apply to Tails as well? <br />
:::::::::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], it was actually [[Special:Redirect/logid/35887|your indef block in March 2023]] and the reasons for it, together with the behaviour precipitated the prior warnings on [[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|this user talk page]] and blocks. The edits in <code>Template:</code> and <code>Module:</code> did not help matters, either. In my view, I thought it would be best for the user to have a time out for a few months, to assess their behaviour reflectively, rather than have them continue and have it turn into a community block because the community was really annoyed. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think I agree with your reasoning now, it just needed explanation. Thanks! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::To be honest, I did consider a thirty-day time-limited block, but given the prior blocks, decided this was the better approach, but am happy to shorten it to one-month if you guys prefer. The partial blocks should be indef, though, I think. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I still don’t think this block was necessary now, and making them wait 3 months to appeal is cruel. Please switch to 1 month, or preferably just restore the partial block. Can you talk on Discord now? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I would not say it's ''cruel'' given the disruption. Isn't it ''worse'' to let someone stay here, continue to disrupt, and annoy the community so much as to precipitate a community block? If Justarandomamerican and Piccadilly both agree to shortening it to one-month, Justarandomamerican or I can do that. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::And yes, going there now. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I definitely agree to shortening the block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So do I. If the block expires and disruption continues, then perhaps an indef with a minimum of 3 months having passed to appeal is the way to go. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
Also, just a side comment about something unrelated. On Tails' user page, there is a link to what might be their English Wikipedia profile, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to their status here. I'm still globally locked on Wikimedia, but nobody seems to mind or feel the need to bring that up. I'm just wondering why that link was added, that's all. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Considering I had disruption in Fandom too, I had several socks, including Commonprenton, Existsnot, and Passwordsishere. Commonprenton and Existsnot had been blocked on Numberblocks Wiki in 2020 and the latter of which had been blocked on BFB Wiki in the same year. Considering this, my Wikimedia account "Commonprenton" created in July 2020 had been globally locked as of 2023 (Existsnot and Passwordsishere was not on Wikimedia). In May 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked from Wikipedia due to disruptive editing, with TPA revoked the same day the IP was blocked. In June 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked again, with TPA revoked, due to extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues and disruptive editing (remained until 1 month after the block was made). In October 2021, Gldgenga471834gldben was created and was warned by numberous users, last edit on December 30, 2021. In June 2022, 100.11.93.56 was persistently changing Gldgenga471834gldben's talk page, including instant abuse filters. The same month, Among Us for Potus (the Wikipedia user) warned the IP, then blocked by Liz (expired the same month). 100.11.93.56 and Vegrar81uyiA80 (the month the user was created was June 2022 as well, created because Gldgenga471834gldben's password was lost) were both [[Wikipedia:WP:BADHAND|BADHAND]] accounts. The same month, 100.11.93.56 was used for creating more WNR and NROS, final warning by BF10. In July 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x used made, it was the user page to used to be Gldgenga471834gldben and Vegrar81uyiA80, the same day it was made, blocked by Hoary (and Gldgenga471834gldben was blocked by the same admin as well). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 and Cdmxm8807i8x made a comeback editing their user talk pages, but the same month, Vegrar81uyiA80's TPA was revoked by Yamla. In August 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x was blocked on Commons. In September 2022, the Wikimedia user with the same username of my username was created, and it was blocked just about 2 days after it was made. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 02:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So the user on Wikipedia with the same name isn't you? Just wondering. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 02:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I also have Existsnot globally blocked on Fandom, globally locked later. Probably that neither are any of the socks I made (Commonprenton, Existsnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) has ever made an edit to Fandom Test Wiki.     Also in June 2022, 100.11.93.56, he lost access to his IP talk page on Wikipedia, but he wasn't blocked on BetaWiki, even a single block. I never edited on Miraheze, WikiTide, or For-Test Wiki before. Well, also, in July 2022, earlier before Cdmxm8807i8x was registered on Wikimedia, 100.11.127.115 started disruptive behavior, including reverting removal of Vegrar81uyiA80's message on Gldgenga471834glbdben's user talk page (the user belonging this user talk page was not blocked yet, but later this month). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 was on Test Wikipedia, with TTW registered with username Tm8150switch88 on late of August 29, 2022. On September 28, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked as a sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective) on Wikipedia, along with Gldgenga471834gldben (effective), Vegrar81uyiA80, and Cdmxm8807i8x. The IP with Tailsultimatefan3891 was 100.11.109.128, later blocked, as a range block with all the other IPs in 100.11.64.0/18. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137176605]. There is also a link for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137165097 the block of Tailsultimatefan3891 Wikipedia account]. In October 2021, due to intimidating behavior/harassment and IP CheckUser privacy violations the image when had tested, Tm8150switch88 had been blocked on The Test Wiki, along with Vista[###], Vista[####], Switch98, Switch68, and other socks TM88 made. The same month, Tm8150switch88 was registered, later blocked by me when I'm an admin, changed block settings by Drummingman (and possibly X, Justarandomamerican, AlPaD, and/or Seiyena (now Piccadilly)). On November 1, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked on Meta-Wiki indefinitely vandalism and it was globally locked 2 days later (now unlocked, but I'm not using this account anymore since I disclosed it and I made a new account after Tailsultimatefan3891). In December 2022, All acconts Cdmxm8807i8x and older was globally locked for lock evasion of Tailsultimatefan3891 (the Wikimedia account). Numberous IPs was edited the same month through January of this year before Solaris5296 on Wikimedia was made again. On January 20, 2023, Solaris5296 was blocked on Wikipedia for suspected sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 23:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Also had Hubbycolipster391 and it was created on April 2023 and blocked only about several hours when the account was made. Around several of the wikis he was going to, he was blocked. I was also Tails6000D on Illogicopedia and Cg098 blocked me 3 times on that wiki, with unblock on the 1st block before it expired and TPA revoked on the 3rd block. The 3rd block is currently happening now. Here is the link for the Tails6000D blocks for Illogicopedia: [https://en.illogicopedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ATails6000D&type=block]. Also have my TTW accounts banned on October 11, 2022. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 22:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28897User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-05T22:08:09Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Partially blocked from Test Wiki:Community portal */</p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Mass creation of pages==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Duplicate test page creations and file uploads==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br /> [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block==<br />
I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. <br />
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*Start of block: 2023-07-03T20:18:04<br />
*Expiration of block: no expiry set<br />
*Intended blockee: Tailsultimatefan3891<br />
*Block ID: #10587.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Partially blocked from [[Test Wiki:Community portal]]==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I was originally just going to give you a final warning, but had to partially block you as you subsequently posted a new discussion at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] immediately after my reverting your multiple added proposals in rapid succession. While it is an indefinite [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] block, I will unblock you immediately if you promise not to start more than one discussion as a ''person'' at any given time. That is to say, until a discussion you start as a person, regardless of which user account you started it under, has been closed, you are indefinitely prohibited from starting a new discussion concurrently.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll need you to reply to '''this thread''', please, stating you understand the conditions outlined herein. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll agree to the following conditions: (a) Multiple community portal dicussions are not accepted, (b) Inappropriate behavior not allowed, (c) Serious impacts of vandalism on the wiki (including trolling and bad faith behavior) and creating multiple community portal discussion will result in an ONESTRIKE block. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, looking at your block log and your prior warnings, I'm seeing you having reverted to the same abuse patterns, so to help us help you and avoid a potential community block, I'm going to extend your block to sitewide, with appeals considered not sooner than three months. I'll leave the <code>researcher</code> permission to help you assess what we mean by ''abuse''. Should an appeal be successful, the partial block will remain until you agree to the conditions I outlined above. Should you engage in sockpuppetry, the date for an appeal resets to the date of most recent proven sock. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would like to request that for a future sitewide unblock request to be accepted, they shall agree to a ban from the Template and Module namespaces, to be enforced by a partial block. There appears to be a recurring issue of cut-and-paste imports leading to a lot of broken templates. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's reasonable and probably a good idea. That can be added to their partial block should an appeal be accepted. Feel free to update the permalink to this revision on their user page. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This is completely unwarranted, and I strongly oppose it. We are really blocking people for posting too much at the community portal. Why? And then we extended it to sitewide. Why? And this is all after being given 0 warnings about community portal involvement. And then you make appeals for 3 months!?! For commenting too much on the community portal?!? I am dumbfounded. I think this block is completely unnecessary and I’d like it to be removed immediately @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Was the partial block necessary to prevent disruption at the time it was placed? I'd say so, given that they added a similar discussion to the ones being reverted after they were reverted. The sitewide block, however, is debatable. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Yeah, I think a warning was more appropriate, but I don’t think the temporary block was completely wrong. What I strongly oppose is the sitewide block. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I question the reason for the sitewide indef, {{ping|Dmehus}} what led you to believe they were returning to old ways? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know that as part of my unblock conditions, if I should slip back into old ways, people are to warn me first before blocking me up to 2 weeks. Why doesn't that apply to Tails as well? <br />
:::::::::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], it was actually [[Special:Redirect/logid/35887|your indef block in March 2023]] and the reasons for it, together with the behaviour precipitated the prior warnings on [[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|this user talk page]] and blocks. The edits in <code>Template:</code> and <code>Module:</code> did not help matters, either. In my view, I thought it would be best for the user to have a time out for a few months, to assess their behaviour reflectively, rather than have them continue and have it turn into a community block because the community was really annoyed. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think I agree with your reasoning now, it just needed explanation. Thanks! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::To be honest, I did consider a thirty-day time-limited block, but given the prior blocks, decided this was the better approach, but am happy to shorten it to one-month if you guys prefer. The partial blocks should be indef, though, I think. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I still don’t think this block was necessary now, and making them wait 3 months to appeal is cruel. Please switch to 1 month, or preferably just restore the partial block. Can you talk on Discord now? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I would not say it's ''cruel'' given the disruption. Isn't it ''worse'' to let someone stay here, continue to disrupt, and annoy the community so much as to precipitate a community block? If Justarandomamerican and Piccadilly both agree to shortening it to one-month, Justarandomamerican or I can do that. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::And yes, going there now. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I definitely agree to shortening the block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So do I. If the block expires and disruption continues, then perhaps an indef with a minimum of 3 months having passed to appeal is the way to go. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
Also, just a side comment about something unrelated. On Tails' user page, there is a link to what might be their English Wikipedia profile, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to their status here. I'm still globally locked on Wikimedia, but nobody seems to mind or feel the need to bring that up. I'm just wondering why that link was added, that's all. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Considering I had disruption in Fandom too, I had several socks, including Commonprenton, Existsnot, and Passwordsishere. Commonprenton and Existsnot had been blocked on Numberblocks Wiki in 2020 and the latter of which had been blocked on BFB Wiki in the same year. Considering this, my Wikimedia account "Commonprenton" created in July 2020 had been globally locked as of 2023 (Existsnot and Passwordsishere was not on Wikimedia). In May 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked from Wikipedia due to disruptive editing, with TPA revoked the same day the IP was blocked. In June 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked again, with TPA revoked, due to extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues and disruptive editing (remained until 1 month after the block was made). In October 2021, Gldgenga471834gldben was created and was warned by numberous users, last edit on December 30, 2021. In June 2022, 100.11.93.56 was persistently changing Gldgenga471834gldben's talk page, including instant abuse filters. The same month, Among Us for Potus (the Wikipedia user) warned the IP, then blocked by Liz (expired the same month). 100.11.93.56 and Vegrar81uyiA80 (the month the user was created was June 2022 as well, created because Gldgenga471834gldben's password was lost) were both [[Wikipedia:WP:BADHAND|BADHAND]] accounts. The same month, 100.11.93.56 was used for creating more WNR and NROS, final warning by BF10. In July 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x used made, it was the user page to used to be Gldgenga471834gldben and Vegrar81uyiA80, the same day it was made, blocked by Hoary (and Gldgenga471834gldben was blocked by the same admin as well). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 and Cdmxm8807i8x made a comeback editing their user talk pages, but the same month, Vegrar81uyiA80's TPA was revoked by Yamla. In August 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x was blocked on Commons. In September 2022, the Wikimedia user with the same username of my username was created, and it was blocked just about 2 days after it was made. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 02:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So the user on Wikipedia with the same name isn't you? Just wondering. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 02:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I also have Existsnot globally blocked on Fandom, globally locked later. Probably that neither are any of the socks I made (Commonprenton, Existsnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) has ever made an edit to Fandom Test Wiki.     Also in June 2022, 100.11.93.56, he lost access to his IP talk page on Wikipedia, but he wasn't blocked on BetaWiki, even a single block. I never edited on Miraheze, WikiTide, or For-Test Wiki before. Well, also, in July 2022, earlier before Cdmxm8807i8x was registered on Wikimedia, 100.11.127.115 started disruptive behavior, including reverting removal of Vegrar81uyiA80's message on Gldgenga471834glbdben's user talk page (the user belonging this user talk page was not blocked yet, but later this month). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 was on Test Wikipedia, with TTW registered with username Tm8150switch88 on late of August 29, 2022. On September 28, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked as a sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective) on Wikipedia, along with Gldgenga471834gldben (effective), Vegrar81uyiA80, and Cdmxm8807i8x. The IP with Tailsultimatefan3891 was 100.11.109.128, later blocked, as a range block with all the other IPs in 100.11.64.0/18. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137176605]. There is also a link for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137165097 the block of Tailsultimatefan3891 Wikipedia account]. In October 2021, due to intimidating behavior/harassment and IP CheckUser privacy violations the image when had tested, Tm8150switch88 had been on The Test Wiki, along with Vista[###], Vista[####], Switch98, Switch68, and other socks TM88 made. The same month, Tm8150switch88 was registered, later blocked by me when I'm an admin, changed block settings by Drummingman (and possibly X, Justarandomamerican, AlPaD, and/or Seiyena (now Piccadilly)). On November 1, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked on Meta-Wiki indefinitely vandalism and it was globally locked 2 days later (now unlocked, but I'm not using this account anymore since I disclosed it and I made a new account after Tailsultimatefan3891). In December 2022, All acconts Cdmxm8807i8x and older was globally locked for lock evasion of Tailsultimatefan3891 (the Wikimedia account). Numberous IPs was edited the same month through January of this year before Solaris5296 on Wikimedia was made again. On January 20, 2023, Solaris5296 was blocked on Wikipedia for suspected sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 23:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Also had Hubbycolipster391 and it was created on April 2023 and blocked only about several hours when the account was made. Around several of the wikis he was going to, he was blocked. I was also Tails6000D on Illogicopedia and Cg098 blocked me 3 times on that wiki, with unblock on the 1st block before it expired and TPA revoked on the 3rd block. The 3rd block is currently happening now. Here is the link for the Tails6000D blocks for Illogicopedia: [https://en.illogicopedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ATails6000D&type=block]. Also have my TTW accounts banned on October 11, 2022. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 22:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28818User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-04T23:33:21Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Partially blocked from Test Wiki:Community portal */ Reply</p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Mass creation of pages==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Duplicate test page creations and file uploads==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br /> [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block==<br />
I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. <br />
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*Start of block: 2023-07-03T20:18:04<br />
*Expiration of block: no expiry set<br />
*Intended blockee: Tailsultimatefan3891<br />
*Block ID: #10587.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Partially blocked from [[Test Wiki:Community portal]]==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I was originally just going to give you a final warning, but had to partially block you as you subsequently posted a new discussion at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] immediately after my reverting your multiple added proposals in rapid succession. While it is an indefinite [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] block, I will unblock you immediately if you promise not to start more than one discussion as a ''person'' at any given time. That is to say, until a discussion you start as a person, regardless of which user account you started it under, has been closed, you are indefinitely prohibited from starting a new discussion concurrently.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll need you to reply to '''this thread''', please, stating you understand the conditions outlined herein. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll agree to the following conditions: (a) Multiple community portal dicussions are not accepted, (b) Inappropriate behavior not allowed, (c) Serious impacts of vandalism on the wiki (including trolling and bad faith behavior) and creating multiple community portal discussion will result in an ONESTRIKE block. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, looking at your block log and your prior warnings, I'm seeing you having reverted to the same abuse patterns, so to help us help you and avoid a potential community block, I'm going to extend your block to sitewide, with appeals considered not sooner than three months. I'll leave the <code>researcher</code> permission to help you assess what we mean by ''abuse''. Should an appeal be successful, the partial block will remain until you agree to the conditions I outlined above. Should you engage in sockpuppetry, the date for an appeal resets to the date of most recent proven sock. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would like to request that for a future sitewide unblock request to be accepted, they shall agree to a ban from the Template and Module namespaces, to be enforced by a partial block. There appears to be a recurring issue of cut-and-paste imports leading to a lot of broken templates. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's reasonable and probably a good idea. That can be added to their partial block should an appeal be accepted. Feel free to update the permalink to this revision on their user page. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This is completely unwarranted, and I strongly oppose it. We are really blocking people for posting too much at the community portal. Why? And then we extended it to sitewide. Why? And this is all after being given 0 warnings about community portal involvement. And then you make appeals for 3 months!?! For commenting too much on the community portal?!? I am dumbfounded. I think this block is completely unnecessary and I’d like it to be removed immediately @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Was the partial block necessary to prevent disruption at the time it was placed? I'd say so, given that they added a similar discussion to the ones being reverted after they were reverted. The sitewide block, however, is debatable. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Yeah, I think a warning was more appropriate, but I don’t think the temporary block was completely wrong. What I strongly oppose is the sitewide block. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I question the reason for the sitewide indef, {{ping|Dmehus}} what led you to believe they were returning to old ways? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know that as part of my unblock conditions, if I should slip back into old ways, people are to warn me first before blocking me up to 2 weeks. Why doesn't that apply to Tails as well? <br />
:::::::::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], it was actually [[Special:Redirect/logid/35887|your indef block in March 2023]] and the reasons for it, together with the behaviour precipitated the prior warnings on [[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|this user talk page]] and blocks. The edits in <code>Template:</code> and <code>Module:</code> did not help matters, either. In my view, I thought it would be best for the user to have a time out for a few months, to assess their behaviour reflectively, rather than have them continue and have it turn into a community block because the community was really annoyed. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think I agree with your reasoning now, it just needed explanation. Thanks! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::To be honest, I did consider a thirty-day time-limited block, but given the prior blocks, decided this was the better approach, but am happy to shorten it to one-month if you guys prefer. The partial blocks should be indef, though, I think. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I still don’t think this block was necessary now, and making them wait 3 months to appeal is cruel. Please switch to 1 month, or preferably just restore the partial block. Can you talk on Discord now? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I would not say it's ''cruel'' given the disruption. Isn't it ''worse'' to let someone stay here, continue to disrupt, and annoy the community so much as to precipitate a community block? If Justarandomamerican and Piccadilly both agree to shortening it to one-month, Justarandomamerican or I can do that. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::And yes, going there now. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I definitely agree to shortening the block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So do I. If the block expires and disruption continues, then perhaps an indef with a minimum of 3 months having passed to appeal is the way to go. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
Also, just a side comment about something unrelated. On Tails' user page, there is a link to what might be their English Wikipedia profile, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to their status here. I'm still globally locked on Wikimedia, but nobody seems to mind or feel the need to bring that up. I'm just wondering why that link was added, that's all. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Considering I had disruption in Fandom too, I had several socks, including Commonprenton, Existsnot, and Passwordsishere. Commonprenton and Existsnot had been blocked on Numberblocks Wiki in 2020 and the latter of which had been blocked on BFB Wiki in the same year. Considering this, my Wikimedia account "Commonprenton" created in July 2020 had been globally locked as of 2023 (Existsnot and Passwordsishere was not on Wikimedia). In May 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked from Wikipedia due to disruptive editing, with TPA revoked the same day the IP was blocked. In June 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked again, with TPA revoked, due to extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues and disruptive editing (remained until 1 month after the block was made). In October 2021, Gldgenga471834gldben was created and was warned by numberous users, last edit on December 30, 2021. In June 2022, 100.11.93.56 was persistently changing Gldgenga471834gldben's talk page, including instant abuse filters. The same month, Among Us for Potus (the Wikipedia user) warned the IP, then blocked by Liz (expired the same month). 100.11.93.56 and Vegrar81uyiA80 (the month the user was created was June 2022 as well, created because Gldgenga471834gldben's password was lost) were both [[Wikipedia:WP:BADHAND|BADHAND]] accounts. The same month, 100.11.93.56 was used for creating more WNR and NROS, final warning by BF10. In July 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x used made, it was the user page to used to be Gldgenga471834gldben and Vegrar81uyiA80, the same day it was made, blocked by Hoary (and Gldgenga471834gldben was blocked by the same admin as well). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 and Cdmxm8807i8x made a comeback editing their user talk pages, but the same month, Vegrar81uyiA80's TPA was revoked by Yamla. In August 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x was blocked on Commons. In September 2022, the Wikimedia user with the same username of my username was created, and it was blocked just about 2 days after it was made. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 02:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So the user on Wikipedia with the same name isn't you? Just wondering. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 02:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I also have Existsnot globally blocked on Fandom, globally locked later. Probably that neither are any of the socks I made (Commonprenton, Existsnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) has ever made an edit to Fandom Test Wiki.     Also in June 2022, 100.11.93.56, he lost access to his IP talk page on Wikipedia, but he wasn't blocked on BetaWiki, even a single block. I never edited on Miraheze, WikiTide, or For-Test Wiki before. Well, also, in July 2022, earlier before Cdmxm8807i8x was registered on Wikimedia, 100.11.127.115 started disruptive behavior, including reverting removal of Vegrar81uyiA80's message on Gldgenga471834glbdben's user talk page (the user belonging this user talk page was not blocked yet, but later this month). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 was on Test Wikipedia, with TTW registered with username Tm8150switch88 on late of August 29, 2022. On September 28, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked as a sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective) on Wikipedia, along with Gldgenga471834gldben (effective), Vegrar81uyiA80, and Cdmxm8807i8x. The IP with Tailsultimatefan3891 was 100.11.109.128, later blocked, as a range block with all the other IPs in 100.11.64.0/18. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137176605]. There is also a link for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=137165097 the block of Tailsultimatefan3891 Wikipedia account]. In October 2021, due to intimidating behavior/harassment and IP CheckUser privacy violations the image when had tested, Tm8150switch88 had been on The Test Wiki, along with Vista[###], Vista[####], Switch98, Switch68, and other socks TM88 made. The same month, Tm8150switch88 was registered, later blocked by me when I'm an admin, changed block settings by Drummingman (and possibly X, Justarandomamerican, AlPaD, and/or Seiyena (now Piccadilly)). On November 1, 2022, Tailsultimatefan3891 was blocked on Meta-Wiki indefinitely vandalism and it was globally locked 2 days later (now unlocked, but I'm not using this account anymore since I disclosed it and I made a new account after Tailsultimatefan3891). In December 2022, All acconts Cdmxm8807i8x and older was globally locked for lock evasion of Tailsultimatefan3891 (the Wikimedia account). Numberous IPs was edited the same month through January of this year before Solaris5296 on Wikimedia was made again. On January 20, 2023, Solaris5296 was block on Wikipedia for suspected sock of Gldgenga471834gldben (Commonprenton effective). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 23:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28808User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-04T02:40:04Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Partially blocked from Test Wiki:Community portal */</p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
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==Mass creation of pages==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Duplicate test page creations and file uploads==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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==Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block==<br />
I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. <br />
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*Start of block: 2023-07-03T20:18:04<br />
*Expiration of block: no expiry set<br />
*Intended blockee: Tailsultimatefan3891<br />
*Block ID: #10587.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Partially blocked from [[Test Wiki:Community portal]]==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I was originally just going to give you a final warning, but had to partially block you as you subsequently posted a new discussion at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] immediately after my reverting your multiple added proposals in rapid succession. While it is an indefinite [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] block, I will unblock you immediately if you promise not to start more than one discussion as a ''person'' at any given time. That is to say, until a discussion you start as a person, regardless of which user account you started it under, has been closed, you are indefinitely prohibited from starting a new discussion concurrently.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'll need you to reply to '''this thread''', please, stating you understand the conditions outlined herein. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll agree to the following conditions: (a) Multiple community portal dicussions are not accepted, (b) Inappropriate behavior not allowed, (c) Serious impacts of vandalism on the wiki (including trolling and bad faith behavior) and creating multiple community portal discussion will result in an ONESTRIKE block. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, looking at your block log and your prior warnings, I'm seeing you having reverted to the same abuse patterns, so to help us help you and avoid a potential community block, I'm going to extend your block to sitewide, with appeals considered not sooner than three months. I'll leave the <code>researcher</code> permission to help you assess what we mean by ''abuse''. Should an appeal be successful, the partial block will remain until you agree to the conditions I outlined above. Should you engage in sockpuppetry, the date for an appeal resets to the date of most recent proven sock. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:37, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would like to request that for a future sitewide unblock request to be accepted, they shall agree to a ban from the Template and Module namespaces, to be enforced by a partial block. There appears to be a recurring issue of cut-and-paste imports leading to a lot of broken templates. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's reasonable and probably a good idea. That can be added to their partial block should an appeal be accepted. Feel free to update the permalink to this revision on their user page. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:59, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This is completely unwarranted, and I strongly oppose it. We are really blocking people for posting too much at the community portal. Why? And then we extended it to sitewide. Why? And this is all after being given 0 warnings about community portal involvement. And then you make appeals for 3 months!?! For commenting too much on the community portal?!? I am dumbfounded. I think this block is completely unnecessary and I’d like it to be removed immediately @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Was the partial block necessary to prevent disruption at the time it was placed? I'd say so, given that they added a similar discussion to the ones being reverted after they were reverted. The sitewide block, however, is debatable. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Yeah, I think a warning was more appropriate, but I don’t think the temporary block was completely wrong. What I strongly oppose is the sitewide block. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I question the reason for the sitewide indef, {{ping|Dmehus}} what led you to believe they were returning to old ways? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:23, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know that as part of my unblock conditions, if I should slip back into old ways, people are to warn me first before blocking me up to 2 weeks. Why doesn't that apply to Tails as well? <br />
:::::::::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], it was actually [[Special:Redirect/logid/35887|your indef block in March 2023]] and the reasons for it, together with the behaviour precipitated the prior warnings on [[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|this user talk page]] and blocks. The edits in <code>Template:</code> and <code>Module:</code> did not help matters, either. In my view, I thought it would be best for the user to have a time out for a few months, to assess their behaviour reflectively, rather than have them continue and have it turn into a community block because the community was really annoyed. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I think I agree with your reasoning now, it just needed explanation. Thanks! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::To be honest, I did consider a thirty-day time-limited block, but given the prior blocks, decided this was the better approach, but am happy to shorten it to one-month if you guys prefer. The partial blocks should be indef, though, I think. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I still don’t think this block was necessary now, and making them wait 3 months to appeal is cruel. Please switch to 1 month, or preferably just restore the partial block. Can you talk on Discord now? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:52, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I would not say it's ''cruel'' given the disruption. Isn't it ''worse'' to let someone stay here, continue to disrupt, and annoy the community so much as to precipitate a community block? If Justarandomamerican and Piccadilly both agree to shortening it to one-month, Justarandomamerican or I can do that. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::And yes, going there now. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 01:57, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I definitely agree to shortening the block. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So do I. If the block expires and disruption continues, then perhaps an indef with a minimum of 3 months having passed to appeal is the way to go. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 02:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
Also, just a side comment about something unrelated. On Tails' user page, there is a link to what might be their English Wikipedia profile, but I'm not sure how that's relevant to their status here. I'm still globally locked on Wikimedia, but nobody seems to mind or feel the need to bring that up. I'm just wondering why that link was added, that's all. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Considering I had disruption in Fandom too, I had several socks, including Commonprenton, Existsnot, and Passwordsishere. Commonprenton and Existsnot had been blocked on Numberblocks Wiki in 2020 and the latter of which had been blocked on BFB Wiki in the same year. Considering this, my Wikimedia account "Commonprenton" created in July 2020 had been globally locked as of 2023 (Existsnot and Passwordsishere was not on Wikimedia). In May 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked from Wikipedia due to disruptive editing, with TPA revoked the same day the IP was blocked. In June 2021, 100.11.109.181 was blocked again, with TPA revoked, due to extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues and disruptive editing (remained until 1 month after the block was made). In October 2021, Gldgenga471834gldben was created and was warned by numberous users, last edit on December 30, 2021. In June 2022, 100.11.93.56 was persistently changing Gldgenga471834gldben's talk page, including instant abuse filters. The same month, Among Us for Potus (the Wikipedia user) warned the IP, then blocked by Liz (expired the same month). 100.11.93.56 and Vegrar81uyiA80 (the month the user was created was June 2022 as well, created because Gldgenga471834gldben's password was lost) were both [[Wikipedia:WP:BADHAND|BADHAND]] accounts. The same month, 100.11.93.56 was used for creating more WNR and NROS, final warning by BF10. In July 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x used made, it was the user page to used to be Gldgenga471834gldben and Vegrar81uyiA80, the same day it was made, blocked by Hoary (and Gldgenga471834gldben was blocked by the same admin as well). In August 2022, Vegrar81uyiA80 and Cdmxm8807i8x made a comeback editing their user talk pages, but the same month, Vegrar81uyiA80's TPA was revoked by Yamla. In August 2022, Cdmxm8807i8x was blocked on Commons. In September 2022, the Wikimedia user with the same username of my username was created, and it was blocked just about 2 days after it was made. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 02:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28753User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-04T00:31:50Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Partially blocked from Test Wiki:Community portal */</p>
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Add permissions==<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==User rights==<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==rollback==<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Bureaucrat==<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==False positive==<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Blocked==<br />
===Discussion===<br />
Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Mass creation of pages==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Duplicate test page creations and file uploads==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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==Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block==<br />
I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. <br />
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*Start of block: 2023-07-03T20:18:04<br />
*Expiration of block: no expiry set<br />
*Intended blockee: Tailsultimatefan3891<br />
*Block ID: #10587.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Partially blocked from [[Test Wiki:Community portal]]==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I was originally just going to give you a final warning, but had to partially block you as you subsequently posted a new discussion at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] immediately after my reverting your multiple added proposals in rapid succession. While it is an indefinite [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] block, I will unblock you immediately if you promise not to start more than one discussion as a ''person'' at any given time. That is to say, until a discussion you start as a person, regardless of which user account you started it under, has been closed, you are indefinitely prohibited from starting a new discussion concurrently.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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:I'll need you to reply to '''this thread''', please, stating you understand the conditions outlined herein. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:25, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll agree to the following conditions: (a) Multiple community portal dicussions are not accepted, (b) Inappropriate behavior not allowed, (c) Serious impacts of vandalism on the wiki (including trolling and bad faith behavior) and creating multiple community portal discussion will result in an ONESTRIKE block. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28745User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-04T00:23:42Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Undo partial block Community portal indef block */</p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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==Welcome==<br />
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<big>'''Welcome to the Test Wiki!'''</big><br />We're glad to have you here! The Test Wiki is a giant wiki which anyone including '''you''' can contribute to and edit. With {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles, {{NUMBEROFUSERS}} users, {{NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS}} active users, {{NUMBEROFEDITS}} edits and {{NUMBEROFFILES}} files, the Test Wiki has been thriving!<br />
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Make sure to always assume '''[[W:WP:AGF|Good Faith]]'''<br />
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Feel free to request permissions at [[Test_Wiki:Request_permissions|RFP]]!<br />
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Have any questions? Ask on the <u>[[Test_Wiki:Community_portal|Community Portal]]</u>!<br />
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We hope you'll make great edits!<br /><div class="welcome-banner">[[File:Community Guidelines banner.png|link=]]</div></div></center> [[User:CM3891|CM3891]] ([[User talk:CM3891|talk]]) 00:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Add permissions==<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==User rights==<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==rollback==<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Bureaucrat==<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==False positive==<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Blocked==<br />
===Discussion===<br />
Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== New signature ==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Mass creation of pages ==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Duplicate test page creations and file uploads ==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br /> [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block ==<br />
{{Unblock|1=I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. <br />
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*Start of block: 2023-07-03T20:18:04<br />
*Expiration of block: no expiry set<br />
*Intended blockee: Tailsultimatefan3891<br />
*Block ID: #10587.<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)}}</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28744User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-04T00:22:32Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Undo partial block Community portal indef block */</p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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<big>'''Welcome to the Test Wiki!'''</big><br />We're glad to have you here! The Test Wiki is a giant wiki which anyone including '''you''' can contribute to and edit. With {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles, {{NUMBEROFUSERS}} users, {{NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS}} active users, {{NUMBEROFEDITS}} edits and {{NUMBEROFFILES}} files, the Test Wiki has been thriving!<br />
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Make sure to always assume '''[[W:WP:AGF|Good Faith]]'''<br />
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Make sure to sign your posts with<br />
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Feel free to request permissions at [[Test_Wiki:Request_permissions|RFP]]!<br />
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Have any questions? Ask on the <u>[[Test_Wiki:Community_portal|Community Portal]]</u>!<br />
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We hope you'll make great edits!<br /><div class="welcome-banner">[[File:Community Guidelines banner.png|link=]]</div></div></center> [[User:CM3891|CM3891]] ([[User talk:CM3891|talk]]) 00:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Add permissions==<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==User rights==<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==rollback==<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Bureaucrat==<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==False positive==<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Blocked==<br />
===Discussion===<br />
Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== New signature ==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Mass creation of pages ==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Duplicate test page creations and file uploads ==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br /> [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:13, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block ==<br />
{{Unblock|1=I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 00:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)}}</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28743User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-04T00:21:26Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: </p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
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:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Add permissions==<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==User rights==<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==False positive==<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== New signature ==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Mass creation of pages ==<br />
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If you want to test creation and editing, create 1 page and test on that one page. Repeatedly creating pages imposes a burden on us to delete all of them once we think your test is done, sometimes requiring the use of mass deletion. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Duplicate test page creations and file uploads ==<br />
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Hi Tailsultimatefan3891,<br />
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I'm [[User:Dmehus|Doug]], a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], and I've just kindly cleaned up your test page creations and file uploads. While testing here is fine, I do not see a need to create duplicates of the same pages and image uploads, particularly when you don't have <code>[[Test Wiki:Administrators|sysop]]</code> permissions. I ''would'' normally invite you to request that permission, but given the unexplained page creations, I'm reluctant to grant that permission. If you have a good explanation, or if another steward or bureaucrat supports granting the permission, I ''can'' be persuaded otherwise.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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== Undo partial block [[Project:Community portal|Community portal]] indef block ==<br />
{{Unblock|1=I was adding numberous CP discussions that are not necessary and I will not do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 00:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)}}</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28741Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-04T00:17:26Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Twinkle */</p>
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:No open proxies|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Status: {{not done}}<br />
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Change from: Example user<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Also, MacFan4000 can choose a dark or light theme of hCaptcha box, and normal or compact size of hCaptcha box. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 20:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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* This [[rfc:2119|should not]] need a full community discussion, as it's (a) a technical change and (b) quite a non-controversial one. We haven't had many issues with reCAPTCHA here, like Miraheze has/had, so it's not that urgent. I think we can let MacFan4000 decide when/if to switch to hCAPTCHA. I personally would have no objections to that change. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Twinkle ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. We would announce to nominate to adding Twinkle to our site. Twinkle is an user warning message adding and a vandalism-undo tool to warn users and to stop disruption from IPs and users. The use of Twinkle will be limited to confirmed and autoconfirmed users that have not been blocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 00:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=== Result ===</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28740Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-04T00:16:37Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Twinkle */ new section</p>
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:No open proxies|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Support proposed close and involved closure====<br />
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====Object to proposed close====<br />
*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Questions===<br />
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===Result===<br />
Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
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==[[User:Example]]==<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==<br />
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Status: {{done}}<br />
*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
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==Block numberous proxies==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{Done}}<br />
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I am not an admin.<br />
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
*[[Special:Block/107.181.230.227|107.181.230.227]]<br />
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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==Proxy bot==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{not done|Not done and withdrawn}}<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Signature that belongs to the user that will own the proxy bot===<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Status: {{not done}}<br />
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Change from: Example user<br />
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Change to: Example user, blocked from chat<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''<br />
::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Neutral===<br />
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===Comments===<br />
*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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=== Nomination ===<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Also, MacFan4000 can choose a dark or light theme of hCaptcha box, and normal or compact size of hCaptcha box. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 20:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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* This [[rfc:2119|should not]] need a full community discussion, as it's (a) a technical change and (b) quite a non-controversial one. We haven't had many issues with reCAPTCHA here, like Miraheze has/had, so it's not that urgent. I think we can let MacFan4000 decide when/if to switch to hCAPTCHA. I personally would have no objections to that change. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=== Result ===<br />
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== Twinkle ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. We would announce to nominate to adding Twinkle to our site. Twinkle is an user warning message adding and a vandalism-undo tool to warn users and to stop disruption from IPs and users. The use of Twinkle will be limited to confirmed and autoconfirmed users that have not been blocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 00:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28738Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-04T00:14:22Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Nomination */</p>
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:No open proxies|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
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==[[User:Example]]==<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==<br />
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*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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==Proxy bot==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{not done|Not done and withdrawn}}<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Also, MacFan4000 can choose a dark or light theme of hCaptcha box, and normal or compact size of hCaptcha box. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 20:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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* This [[rfc:2119|should not]] need a full community discussion, as it's (a) a technical change and (b) quite a non-controversial one. We haven't had many issues with reCAPTCHA here, like Miraheze has/had, so it's not that urgent. I think we can let MacFan4000 decide when/if to switch to hCAPTCHA. I personally would have no objections to that change. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Extended confirmed privilege ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Extended confirmed privilege are given automatically to people who had been on the wiki for at least 30 days and made at least 500 edits. Extended confirmed have the right to edit extended confirmed pages, use restricted features of counter-vandalism tools, have the right to move extended confirmed move protected pages, and can be added and/or revoked manually, but can be also added automatically. We hope thanks to people who have read this. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 00:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Huggle ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. We would announce to nominate to adding Huggle to our site. Huggle is an user warning message adding and a vandalism-undo tool to warn users and to stop disruption from IPs and users. The use of Huggle will be limited to confirmed and autoconfirmed users that have not been blocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=== Result ===</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28736Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-04T00:11:47Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Huggle */</p>
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:No open proxies|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Also, MacFan4000 can choose a dark or light theme of hCaptcha box, and normal or compact size of hCaptcha box. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 20:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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* This [[rfc:2119|should not]] need a full community discussion, as it's (a) a technical change and (b) quite a non-controversial one. We haven't had many issues with reCAPTCHA here, like Miraheze has/had, so it's not that urgent. I think we can let MacFan4000 decide when/if to switch to hCAPTCHA. I personally would have no objections to that change. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Extended confirmed privilege ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Extended confirmed privilege are given automatically to people who had been on the wiki for at least 30 days and made at least 500 edits. Extended confirmed have the right to edit extended confirmed pages, use restricted features of counter-vandalism tools, have the right to move extended confirmed move protected pages, and can be added and/or revoked manually, but can be also added automatically. We hope thanks to people who have read this. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 00:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Huggle ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. We would announce to nominate to adding Huggle to our site. Huggle is a counter-vandalism tool to stop disruption from IPs and users. The use of Huggle will be limited to confirmed and autoconfirmed users that have not been blocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=== Result ===</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28735Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-04T00:10:52Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Huggle */ new section</p>
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:No open proxies|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
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==[[User:Example]]==<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==<br />
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Status: {{done}}<br />
*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
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==Block numberous proxies==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{Done}}<br />
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I am not an admin.<br />
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
*[[Special:Block/107.181.230.227|107.181.230.227]]<br />
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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==Proxy bot==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{not done|Not done and withdrawn}}<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Signature that belongs to the user that will own the proxy bot===<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Status: {{not done}}<br />
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Change from: Example user<br />
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Change to: Example user, blocked from chat<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''<br />
::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Neutral===<br />
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===Comments===<br />
*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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=== Nomination ===<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Also, MacFan4000 can choose a dark or light theme of hCaptcha box, and normal or compact size of hCaptcha box. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 20:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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* This [[rfc:2119|should not]] need a full community discussion, as it's (a) a technical change and (b) quite a non-controversial one. We haven't had many issues with reCAPTCHA here, like Miraheze has/had, so it's not that urgent. I think we can let MacFan4000 decide when/if to switch to hCAPTCHA. I personally would have no objections to that change. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=== Result ===<br />
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== Extended confirmed privilege ==<br />
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=== Nomination ===<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Extended confirmed privilege are given automatically to people who had been on the wiki for at least 30 days and made at least 500 edits. Extended confirmed have the right to edit extended confirmed pages, use restricted features of counter-vandalism tools, have the right to move extended confirmed move protected pages, and can be added and/or revoked manually, but can be also added automatically. We hope thanks to people who have read this. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 00:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Huggle ==<br />
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=== Nomination ===<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. We would announce to nominate to adding Huggle to our site. Huggle is a counter-vandalism tool to stop disruption from IPs and users. The use of Huggle will be limited to confirmed and autoconfirmed users that have not been blocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 00:10, 4 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28733Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-04T00:09:11Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Extended confirmed privilege */</p>
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:No open proxies|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Questions===<br />
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===Result===<br />
Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
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==[[User:Example]]==<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==<br />
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*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
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*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
*[[Special:Block/107.181.230.227|107.181.230.227]]<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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==Proxy bot==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{not done|Not done and withdrawn}}<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Status: {{not done}}<br />
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Change from: Example user<br />
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Change to: Example user, blocked from chat<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Also, MacFan4000 can choose a dark or light theme of hCaptcha box, and normal or compact size of hCaptcha box. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 20:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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* This [[rfc:2119|should not]] need a full community discussion, as it's (a) a technical change and (b) quite a non-controversial one. We haven't had many issues with reCAPTCHA here, like Miraheze has/had, so it's not that urgent. I think we can let MacFan4000 decide when/if to switch to hCAPTCHA. I personally would have no objections to that change. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Extended confirmed privilege ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Extended confirmed privilege are given automatically to people who had been on the wiki for at least 30 days and made at least 500 edits. Extended confirmed have the right to edit extended confirmed pages, use restricted features of counter-vandalism tools, have the right to move extended confirmed move protected pages, and can be added and/or revoked manually, but can be also added automatically. We hope thanks to people who have read this. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 00:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=== Result ===</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28732Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-04T00:08:11Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Extended confirmed privilege */ new section</p>
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:No open proxies|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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{{Discussion bottom}}<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
{{Discussion top}}<br />
Status: {{not done}}<br />
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Change from: Example user<br />
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Change to: Example user, blocked from chat<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''<br />
::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Neutral===<br />
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===Comments===<br />
*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''</div><br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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=== Nomination ===<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Also, MacFan4000 can choose a dark or light theme of hCaptcha box, and normal or compact size of hCaptcha box. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 20:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=== Support ===<br />
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=== Oppose ===<br />
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=== Neutral ===<br />
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=== Comments ===<br />
* This [[rfc:2119|should not]] need a full community discussion, as it's (a) a technical change and (b) quite a non-controversial one. We haven't had many issues with reCAPTCHA here, like Miraheze has/had, so it's not that urgent. I think we can let MacFan4000 decide when/if to switch to hCAPTCHA. I personally would have no objections to that change. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=== Result ===<br />
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== Extended confirmed privilege ==<br />
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Extended confirmed privilege are given automatically to people who had been on the wiki for at least 30 days and made at least 500 edits. Extended confirmed have the right to edit extended confirmed pages, use restricted features of counter-vandalism tools, have the right to move extended confirmed move protected pages, and can be added and/or revoked manually, but can be also added automatically. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 00:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28723User:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-03T23:59:48Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: Test done</p>
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File:Drawing-583.sketchpad.jpeg|Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-584.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-585.sketchpad.jpeg|Black background variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-586.sketchpad.jpeg|Test image with 640x320 pixels resolution<br />
File:Drawing-587.sketchpad.jpeg|Underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-06-30 10.51.45 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (10:51:45 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.31.27 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (6:31:27 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.41.51 PM.png|Screenshot of the [[Main Page]] (6:41:51 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Drawing-589.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.png|PNG variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-590.sketchpad.jpeg|Bolded Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.png|PNG italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-592.sketchpad.jpeg|Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-594.sketchpad.jpeg|Cyan background Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-595.sketchpad.jpeg|Shortened tuf3891 variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 7.29.41 PM.png|Screenshot of the page [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891]] (7:29:41 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Drawing-596.sketchpad.jpeg|Ultra-dark version of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-03 7.52.02 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (July 3, 2023 7:52:02 PM UTC-4)<br />
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File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg|[[:File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg]]<br />
File:PBS logo 1970.svg|[[:File:PBS logo 1970.svg]]<br />
File:Black Square 2.png|[[:File:Black Square 2.png]]<br />
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==Reported proxies, IPs, and users==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs]] for abusive proxies, IPs, and users</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28722User:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-03T23:59:14Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: test</p>
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<div>.</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28711User:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-03T23:53:35Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: </p>
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<div>Hi, and welcome to my user page. This is the userpage for the user Tailsultimatefan3891 on Test Wiki. I'm the user Tailsultimatefan3891 on Test Wiki. I'm an autoconfirmed editor. I'm a patroller. I'm a user. I'm not an administrator. I'm not a bureaucrat. I'm not a suppressor. I'm not a steward. I'm not a CheckUser. I'm not a system administrator. I'm not a bot. I'm not an interface administrator. I'm not a push subscription manager. I'm not a translation manager. I'm not a researcher. I'm not a chat moderator. I'm not a reviewer. I'm not an editor. I'm not an interwiki administrator. I'm not an autochecked user. I'm not an autopatrolled user. I'm not an example user. I'm not an autoreviewed user. I'm not a confirmed user. I'm not a user blocked from chat. You do not see my IP address. Should you need any help, feel free to leave a message on my talk page or send an email to me [[Special:EmailUser/Tm8150switch88|here]]. I am also Tailsultimatefan3891 on Github and Solaris5296 on Wikimedia.<br />
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==Graphics==<br />
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File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.jpeg|Regular logo<br />
File:This is merely a test.png|This is merely a test image<br />
File:640x480px test image.png|Test image with VGA resolution<br />
File:Drawing-583.sketchpad.jpeg|Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-584.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-585.sketchpad.jpeg|Black background variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-586.sketchpad.jpeg|Test image with 640x320 pixels resolution<br />
File:Drawing-587.sketchpad.jpeg|Underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-06-30 10.51.45 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (10:51:45 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.31.27 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (6:31:27 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.41.51 PM.png|Screenshot of the [[Main Page]] (6:41:51 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Drawing-589.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.png|PNG variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-590.sketchpad.jpeg|Bolded Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.png|PNG italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-592.sketchpad.jpeg|Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-594.sketchpad.jpeg|Cyan background Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-595.sketchpad.jpeg|Shortened tuf3891 variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 7.29.41 PM.png|Screenshot of the page [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891]] (7:29:41 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Drawing-596.sketchpad.jpeg|Ultra-dark version of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-03 7.52.02 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (July 3, 2023 7:52:02 PM UTC-4)<br />
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===Not by me===<br />
They are not owned by me.<gallery><br />
File:LG logo (2015).svg|[[:File:LG logo (2015).svg|File:LG Logo (2015).svg]]<br />
File:Samsung Logo.svg|[[:File:Samsung Logo.svg]]<br />
File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg|[[:File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg]]<br />
File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png|[[:File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png]]<br />
File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg|[[:File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg]]<br />
File:PBS logo 1970.svg|[[:File:PBS logo 1970.svg]]<br />
File:Black Square 2.png|[[:File:Black Square 2.png]]<br />
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==Reported proxies, IPs, and users==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs]] for abusive proxies, IPs, and users</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28709User:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-03T23:51:55Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: added 1 image</p>
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<div>Hi, and welcome to my user page. This is the userpage for the user Tailsultimatefan3891 on Test Wiki. I'm the user Tailsultimatefan3891 on Test Wiki. I'm an autoconfirmed editor. I'm a patroller. I'm a user. I'm not an administrator. I'm not a bureaucrat. I'm not a suppressor. I'm not a steward. I'm not a CheckUser. I'm not a system administrator. I'm not a bot. I'm not an interface administrator. I'm not a push subscription manager. I'm not a translation manager. I'm not a researcher. I'm not a chat moderator. I'm not a reviewer. I'm not an editor. I'm not an interwiki administrator. I'm not an autochecked user. I'm not an autopatrolled user. I'm not an example user. I'm not an autoreviewed user. I'm not a confirmed user. I'm not a user blocked from chat. You do not see my IP address. Should you need any help, feel free to leave a message on my talk page or send an email to me [[Special:EmailUser/Tm8150switch88|here]]. I am also Tailsultimatefan3891 on Github and Solaris5296 on Wikimedia.<br />
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==Graphics==<br />
===By me===<br />
The images below are owned by me. However, you're free to use, adapt, modify, share, distribute, redistribute, and upload my images without permission, with commercial use allowed. But you are required to keep this license of (all/both) image(s) I uploaded before uploading to the platform. My images are licensed under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ CC-BY-SA 4.0 International License]. Some rights reserved. Anyone identified to change the license(s) while using the allowed rights of my image(s) will have (all/both) copy/copies of the image(s) reported to the platform. <br />
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<gallery><br />
File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.jpeg|Regular logo<br />
File:This is merely a test.png|This is merely a test image<br />
File:640x480px test image.png|Test image with VGA resolution<br />
File:Drawing-583.sketchpad.jpeg|Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-584.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-585.sketchpad.jpeg|Black background variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-586.sketchpad.jpeg|Test image with 640x320 pixels resolution<br />
File:Drawing-587.sketchpad.jpeg|Underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-06-30 10.51.45 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (10:51:45 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.31.27 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (6:31:27 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.41.51 PM.png|Screenshot of the [[Main Page]] (6:41:51 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Drawing-589.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.png|PNG variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-590.sketchpad.jpeg|Bolded Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.png|PNG italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-592.sketchpad.jpeg|Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-594.sketchpad.jpeg|Cyan background Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-595.sketchpad.jpeg|Shortened tuf3891 variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 7.29.41 PM.png|Screenshot of the page [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891]] (7:29:41 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Drawing-596.sketchpad.jpeg|Ultra-dark version of the logo<br />
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===Not by me===<br />
They are not owned by me.<gallery><br />
File:LG logo (2015).svg|[[:File:LG logo (2015).svg|File:LG Logo (2015).svg]]<br />
File:Samsung Logo.svg|[[:File:Samsung Logo.svg]]<br />
File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg|[[:File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg]]<br />
File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png|[[:File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png]]<br />
File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg|[[:File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg]]<br />
File:PBS logo 1970.svg|[[:File:PBS logo 1970.svg]]<br />
File:Black Square 2.png|[[:File:Black Square 2.png]]<br />
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==Reported proxies, IPs, and users==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs]] for abusive proxies, IPs, and users</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28707User:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-03T23:47:59Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: </p>
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<div>Hi, and welcome to my user page. This is the userpage for the user Tailsultimatefan3891 on Test Wiki. I'm the user Tailsultimatefan3891 on Test Wiki. I'm an autoconfirmed editor. I'm a patroller. I'm a user. I'm not an administrator. I'm not a bureaucrat. I'm not a suppressor. I'm not a steward. I'm not a CheckUser. I'm not a system administrator. I'm not a bot. I'm not an interface administrator. I'm not a push subscription manager. I'm not a translation manager. I'm not a researcher. I'm not a chat moderator. I'm not a reviewer. I'm not an editor. I'm not an interwiki administrator. I'm not an autochecked user. I'm not an autopatrolled user. I'm not an example user. I'm not an autoreviewed user. I'm not a confirmed user. I'm not a user blocked from chat. You do not see my IP address. Should you need any help, feel free to leave a message on my talk page or send an email to me [[Special:EmailUser/Tm8150switch88|here]]. I am also Tailsultimatefan3891 on Github and Solaris5296 on Wikimedia.<br />
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==Graphics==<br />
===By me===<br />
The images below are owned by me. However, you're free to use, adapt, modify, share, distribute, redistribute, and upload my images without permission, with commercial use allowed. But you are required to keep this license of (all/both) image(s) I uploaded before uploading to the platform. My images are licensed under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ CC-BY-SA 4.0 International License]. Some rights reserved. Anyone identified to change the license(s) while using the allowed rights of my image(s) will have (all/both) copy/copies of the image(s) reported to the platform. <br />
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File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.jpeg|Regular logo<br />
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File:640x480px test image.png|Test image with VGA resolution<br />
File:Drawing-583.sketchpad.jpeg|Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-584.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-585.sketchpad.jpeg|Black background variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-586.sketchpad.jpeg|Test image with 640x320 pixels resolution<br />
File:Drawing-587.sketchpad.jpeg|Underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-06-30 10.51.45 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (10:51:45 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.31.27 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (6:31:27 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.41.51 PM.png|Screenshot of the [[Main Page]] (6:41:51 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Drawing-589.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.png|PNG variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-590.sketchpad.jpeg|Bolded Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.png|PNG italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-592.sketchpad.jpeg|Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-594.sketchpad.jpeg|Cyan background Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-595.sketchpad.jpeg|Shortened tuf3891 variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 7.29.41 PM.png|Screenshot of the page [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891]] (7:29:41 PM UTC-4)<br />
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===Not by me===<br />
They are not owned by me.<gallery><br />
File:LG logo (2015).svg|[[:File:LG logo (2015).svg|File:LG Logo (2015).svg]]<br />
File:Samsung Logo.svg|[[:File:Samsung Logo.svg]]<br />
File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg|[[:File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg]]<br />
File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png|[[:File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png]]<br />
File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg|[[:File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg]]<br />
File:PBS logo 1970.svg|[[:File:PBS logo 1970.svg]]<br />
File:Black Square 2.png|[[:File:Black Square 2.png]]<br />
</gallery><br />
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==Reported proxies, IPs, and users==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs]] for abusive proxies, IPs, and users</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Module:Navbar&diff=28697Module:Navbar2023-07-03T20:28:39Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: </p>
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<div>local p = {}<br />
local cfg = mw.loadData('Module:Navbar/configuration')<br />
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local function get_title_arg(is_collapsible, template)<br />
local title_arg = 1<br />
if is_collapsible then title_arg = 2 end<br />
if template then title_arg = 'template' end<br />
return title_arg<br />
end<br />
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local function choose_links(template, args)<br />
-- The show table indicates the default displayed items.<br />
-- view, talk, edit, hist, move, watch<br />
-- TODO: Move to configuration.<br />
local show = {true, true, true, false, false, false}<br />
if template then<br />
show[2] = false<br />
show[3] = false<br />
local index = {t = 2, d = 2, e = 3, h = 4, m = 5, w = 6,<br />
talk = 2, edit = 3, hist = 4, move = 5, watch = 6}<br />
-- TODO: Consider removing TableTools dependency.<br />
for _, v in ipairs(require ('Module:TableTools').compressSparseArray(args)) do<br />
local num = index[v]<br />
if num then show[num] = true end<br />
end<br />
end<br />
<br />
local remove_edit_link = args.noedit<br />
if remove_edit_link then show[3] = false end<br />
<br />
return show<br />
<br />
end<br />
<br />
local function add_link(link_description, ul, is_mini, font_style)<br />
local l<br />
if link_description.url then<br />
l = {'[', '', ']'}<br />
else<br />
l = {'[[', '|', ']]'}<br />
end<br />
ul:tag('li')<br />
:addClass('nv-' .. link_description.full)<br />
:wikitext(l[1] .. link_description.link .. l[2])<br />
:tag(is_mini and 'abbr' or 'span')<br />
:attr('title', link_description.html_title)<br />
:cssText(font_style)<br />
:wikitext(is_mini and link_description.mini or link_description.full)<br />
:done()<br />
:wikitext(l[3])<br />
:done()<br />
end<br />
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local function make_list(title_text, has_brackets, displayed_links, is_mini, font_style)<br />
<br />
local title = mw.title.new(mw.text.trim(title_text), cfg.title_namespace)<br />
if not title then<br />
error(cfg.invalid_title .. title_text)<br />
end<br />
local talkpage = title.talkPageTitle and title.talkPageTitle.fullText or ''<br />
<br />
-- TODO: Get link_descriptions and show into the configuration module.<br />
-- link_descriptions should be easier...<br />
local link_descriptions = {<br />
{ ['mini'] = 'v', ['full'] = 'view', ['html_title'] = 'View this template',<br />
['link'] = title.fullText, ['url'] = false },<br />
{ ['mini'] = 't', ['full'] = 'talk', ['html_title'] = 'Discuss this template',<br />
['link'] = talkpage, ['url'] = false },<br />
{ ['mini'] = 'e', ['full'] = 'edit', ['html_title'] = 'Edit this template',<br />
['link'] = title:fullUrl('action=edit'), ['url'] = true },<br />
{ ['mini'] = 'h', ['full'] = 'hist', ['html_title'] = 'History of this template',<br />
['link'] = title:fullUrl('action=history'), ['url'] = true },<br />
{ ['mini'] = 'm', ['full'] = 'move', ['html_title'] = 'Move this template',<br />
['link'] = mw.title.new('Special:Movepage'):fullUrl('target='..title.fullText), ['url'] = true },<br />
{ ['mini'] = 'w', ['full'] = 'watch', ['html_title'] = 'Watch this template', <br />
['link'] = title:fullUrl('action=watch'), ['url'] = true }<br />
}<br />
<br />
local ul = mw.html.create('ul')<br />
if has_brackets then<br />
ul:addClass(cfg.classes.brackets)<br />
:cssText(font_style)<br />
end<br />
<br />
for i, _ in ipairs(displayed_links) do<br />
if displayed_links[i] then add_link(link_descriptions[i], ul, is_mini, font_style) end<br />
end<br />
return ul:done()<br />
<br />
end<br />
<br />
function p._navbar(args)<br />
<br />
-- TODO: We probably don't need both fontstyle and fontcolor...<br />
local font_style = args.fontstyle<br />
local font_color = args.fontcolor<br />
local is_collapsible = args.collapsible<br />
local is_mini = args.mini<br />
local is_plain = args.plain<br />
<br />
local collapsible_class = nil<br />
if is_collapsible then<br />
collapsible_class = cfg.classes.collapsible<br />
if not is_plain then is_mini = 1 end<br />
if font_color then<br />
font_style = (font_style or '') .. '; color: ' .. font_color .. ';'<br />
end<br />
end<br />
<br />
local navbar_style = args.style<br />
local div = mw.html.create():tag('div')<br />
div<br />
:addClass(cfg.classes.navbar)<br />
:addClass(cfg.classes.plainlinks)<br />
:addClass(cfg.classes.horizontal_list)<br />
:addClass(collapsible_class) -- we made the determination earlier<br />
:cssText(navbar_style)<br />
<br />
if is_mini then div:addClass(cfg.classes.mini) end<br />
<br />
local box_text = (args.text or cfg.box_text) .. ' '<br />
-- the concatenated space guarantees the box text is separated<br />
if not (is_mini or is_plain) then<br />
div<br />
:tag('span')<br />
:addClass(cfg.classes.box_text)<br />
:cssText(font_style)<br />
:wikitext(box_text)<br />
end<br />
<br />
local template = args.template<br />
local displayed_links = choose_links(template, args)<br />
local has_brackets = args.brackets<br />
local title_arg = get_title_arg(is_collapsible, template)<br />
local title_text = args[title_arg] or (':' .. mw.getCurrentFrame():getParent():getTitle())<br />
local list = make_list(title_text, has_brackets, displayed_links, is_mini, font_style)<br />
div:node(list)<br />
<br />
if is_collapsible then<br />
local title_text_class<br />
if is_mini then<br />
title_text_class = cfg.classes.collapsible_title_mini<br />
else<br />
title_text_class = cfg.classes.collapsible_title_full<br />
end<br />
div:done()<br />
:tag('div')<br />
:addClass(title_text_class)<br />
:cssText(font_style)<br />
:wikitext(args[1])<br />
end<br />
<br />
local frame = mw.getCurrentFrame()<br />
-- hlist -> navbar is best-effort to preserve old Common.css ordering.<br />
return frame:extensionTag{<br />
name = 'templatestyles', args = { src = cfg.hlist_templatestyles }<br />
} .. frame:extensionTag{<br />
name = 'templatestyles', args = { src = cfg.templatestyles }<br />
} .. tostring(div:done())<br />
end<br />
<br />
function p.navbar(frame)<br />
return p._navbar(require('Module:Arguments').getArgs(frame))<br />
end<br />
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return p</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Template:Infobox&diff=28696Template:Infobox2023-07-03T20:27:57Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: </p>
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<div>{{#invoke:Infobox|infobox}}<includeonly>{{template other|{{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Infobox||{{#ifeq:{{str left|{{SUBPAGENAME}}|7}}|Infobox|[[Category:Infobox templates|{{remove first word|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}]]}}}}|}}</includeonly><noinclude><br />
{{documentation}}<br />
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</noinclude></div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28693Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-03T20:23:40Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Nomination */</p>
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==CU Request==<br />
{{Discussion top}}<br />
Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:Proxy policy|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
{{Discussion bottom}}<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
{{Discussion top}}<br />
{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
{{Discussion bottom}}<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Questions===<br />
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===Result===<br />
Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
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==[[User:Example]]==<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==<br />
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Status: {{done}}<br />
*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
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==Block numberous proxies==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{Done}}<br />
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I am not an admin.<br />
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
*[[Special:Block/107.181.230.227|107.181.230.227]]<br />
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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==Proxy bot==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{not done|Not done and withdrawn}}<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Signature that belongs to the user that will own the proxy bot===<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
{{Discussion top}}<br />
Status: {{not done}}<br />
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Change from: Example user<br />
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Change to: Example user, blocked from chat<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''<br />
::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Neutral===<br />
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===Comments===<br />
*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''</div><br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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=== Nomination ===<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Also, MacFan4000 can choose a dark or light theme of hCaptcha box, and normal or compact size of hCaptcha box. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 20:23, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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* This [[rfc:2119|should not]] need a full community discussion, as it's (a) a technical change and (b) quite a non-controversial one. We haven't had many issues with reCAPTCHA here, like Miraheze has/had, so it's not that urgent. I think we can let MacFan4000 decide when/if to switch to hCAPTCHA. I personally would have no objections to that change. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:11, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=== Result ===</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Template:Uw-block&diff=28675Template:Uw-block2023-07-03T20:06:31Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: </p>
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<div>{{{{{|safesubst:}}}User talk other|demospace={{{demospace|}}}<noinclude>user talk</noinclude>|1={{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{notalk|}}}|yes|<div class="notice user-block uw-block" style="background:#ffe0e0; border:1px solid #886644; padding:0.5em; margin:0.5em auto; min-height: 40px">|<div class="user-block uw-block" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: #ffefd5; min-height: 40px">}}{{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{indef|}}}|yes|[[File:Stop x nuvola.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon]]|[[File:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]]}}<div style="margin-left:45px">{{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{anon|}}}|yes|Anonymous users from this IP address|You}} have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' {{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{indef|}}}|yes|'''[[Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Indefinite_blocks|indefinitely]]''' from editing|{{{{{|safesubst:}}}#if:{{{time|}}}|from editing for a period of '''{{{time}}}'''|temporarily from editing}}}} {{{{{|safesubst:}}}#if:{{{for|}}}|{{{for}}}|for}} {{{{{|safesubst:}}}#if:{{{reason|}}}|{{{reason}}}|[[WP:Disruptive editing|abuse of editing privileges]]}}{{{{{|safesubst:}}}#if:{{{page|}}}|, as {{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{anon|}}}|yes|done|you did}} at [[:{{{page}}}]]}}. {{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{guidance|}}}|only|From your [[Special:Contributions/{{{{{|safesubst:}}}PAGENAME}}|contributions]], this seems to be your only purpose.|{{{guidance|}}}}} {{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{legal|}}}|yes||{{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{anon|}}}|yes||{{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{indef<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}|yes||Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[WP:Five pillars|make useful contributions]].}}}}}} {{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{notalk}}}|yes|In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has {{em|also}} been revoked.}}</div>{{{{{|safesubst:}}}#if:{{{extra|}}}|<div style="margin-left:45px">{{{extra}}}</div>|}}<div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then {{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{notalk}}}|yes|submit a request to the ''[[Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System|Unblock Ticket Request System]]''.|add the following text at the bottom of your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. --><code><nowiki>{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}</nowiki></code>.}} {{{{{|safesubst:}}}#if:{{{sig|}}}|&nbsp;<includeonly>~~</includeonly>~~}}</div></div>{{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{legal|}}}|yes||{{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{anon|}}}|yes|: ''If this is a [[Network address translation|shared IP address]] and you are an uninvolved editor with a registered account, you may continue to edit by [[Special:Userlogin|logging in]]''.}}}}{{{{{|safesubst:}}}#ifeq:{{{hiddentext|}}}|no||<!-- Template:uw-block -->}}|2={{Error|You are using this template in the wrong namespace. Use this template on a user talk page instead.}}[[Category:Pages with templates in the wrong namespace]]}}<noinclude><br />
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</noinclude></div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Template:Uw-block&diff=28673Template:Uw-block2023-07-03T20:04:59Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: </p>
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</noinclude></div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28672User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-03T20:03:00Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: </p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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<big>'''Welcome to the Test Wiki!'''</big><br />We're glad to have you here! The Test Wiki is a giant wiki which anyone including '''you''' can contribute to and edit. With {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles, {{NUMBEROFUSERS}} users, {{NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS}} active users, {{NUMBEROFEDITS}} edits and {{NUMBEROFFILES}} files, the Test Wiki has been thriving!<br />
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We hope you'll make great edits!<br /><div class="welcome-banner">[[File:Community Guidelines banner.png|link=]]</div></div></center> [[User:CM3891|CM3891]] ([[User talk:CM3891|talk]]) 00:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==False positive==<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:Proxy policy|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Questions===<br />
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===Result===<br />
Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
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==[[User:Example]]==<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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==Proxy bot==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{not done|Not done and withdrawn}}<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Status: {{not done}}<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=== Result ===</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28667Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-03T19:53:56Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Nomination */</p>
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:Proxy policy|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Questions===<br />
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===Result===<br />
Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
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==[[User:Example]]==<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==<br />
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Status: {{done}}<br />
*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
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*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
*[[Special:Block/107.181.230.227|107.181.230.227]]<br />
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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==Proxy bot==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{not done|Not done and withdrawn}}<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Signature that belongs to the user that will own the proxy bot===<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Status: {{not done}}<br />
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Change from: Example user<br />
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Change to: Example user, blocked from chat<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''<br />
::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Neutral===<br />
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===Comments===<br />
*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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=== Nomination ===<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). However, only system administrators can change reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=== Comments ===</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28666Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-03T19:52:10Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Nomination */</p>
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:Proxy policy|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
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==[[User:Example]]==<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==<br />
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*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
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*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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==Proxy bot==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{not done|Not done and withdrawn}}<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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:''The following discussion is closed. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''<br />
::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification being hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=== Comments ===</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28665Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-03T19:51:44Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha */</p>
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:Proxy policy|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Status: {{not done}}<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:Proxy policy|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes. There does seem to be unanimous [[w:WP:CON|consensus]] here to at least <code>checkuser-log</code> being added. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Possible close?===<br />
[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]], [[User:X|X]], [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], and [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]], I'm involved, and though I am fairly certain there would be no objections to me closing in this way, I thought I'd {{tl|ping}} you all here to receive your assent to this being closed as follows, as '''successful''' with '''<code>checkuser-log</code> added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code>''' group and all other user groups remaining the same? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:09, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 3 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*I don’t see why suppression log cannot be added too, given that there was no opposition to that. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I'm confused. Why exactly would that be the only right added, given the fact that the only possible opposition to <code> suppression-log </code> is confusing as a (full?) opposition based on a partial opposition? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:[[User:X|X]] and [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], I've refreshed my memory on what Test Wiki's [[Special:Log/suppress]] displays, which is what would be viewable if that user right were added to the <code>[[Test Wiki:Stewards|steward]]</code> user group. For all or most pages in <code>(Main)</code> namespace or most other namespaces, there is little PII leakage. Similarly, there is also little to no PII leakage when secretly changing specific revisions to a page. However, the issue I suspected existed, which is what I think [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] was alluding to in his !vote argument is for pages within <code>User:</code> and <code>User talk:</code> namespaces. Specifically, on pages where a user inadvertently edited while logged lout or where they created an IP user/user talk page instead of their own user/user talk page. If this user right were added, it would be very easy to associate the likely page creator/editor to the likely IP address. I realize Stewards are trusted by the community, but on the same hand, I also feel like it's a lot of information that could be gleaned without having to add one's [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|CheckUser]] hat. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:13, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::You really shouldn’t be considering your own opinions/interpretations when closing. ZippyBonzo only said they opposed adding the “view-suppressed”. There is full support for adding the other 2. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:21, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::That's why I am proposing this for discussion on a possible close, given the stated opposition and neutral comment from Tailsultimatefan3891. It's also possible others may re-consider their views. I would not close this until there is unanimity in the proposed close. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:26, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Definitely. Let's wait and see for a couple days then, shall we? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Agreed. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I still object on the grounds that that's not what consensus was, as X said. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::On a strict nose count, yes, I agree there is majority support for the original proposal, but not necessarily consensus given the ~60% net support ratio. It would be better to have a clearer consensus. This was proposed as an alternative, but happy to consider other alternatives? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 22:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::Yeah, there’s a 60% overall support, but full support for adding the CheckUser and suppression log rights. Not sure why you would go against full community consensus like this… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::A support ratio alone isn't enough to determine consensus here, as the lone neutral !voter was more like an abstention: They said nothing to imply that they even had an opinion. I agree with waiting, however. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
{{Discussion top|Closed as per the withdrawal in the "Result" section by the candidate. Whilst I have voted, this is unambiguous, see [[Special:Diff/28467|the withdrawal]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Questions===<br />
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===Result===<br />
Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
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==[[User:Example]]==<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==<br />
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*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege== <br />
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::Moot, as said by some participants, the <code>ipblock-exempt</code> user right is already contained with the <code>sysop</code> user group, which has no prerequisites other than a confirmation edit. That being said, there ''could'' be a benefit to moving this user right from the <code>sysop</code> group to the <code>bureaucrat</code> group and/or be a separate user group grantable by bureaucrats and stewards to trusted users. It would also aid in user restriction-restricted user management, but that can be a potential discussion for much later. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving from reCAPTCHA to hCaptcha ==<br />
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Hello, this is Tailsultimatefan3891. Miraheze and Cloudflare had put on hCaptcha already. I have my Google Sites wiki Captiolgipedia have human/robot verification hCaptcha. reCAPTCHA is used by millions of users, can be passed by some bots, and is a good security protection. But hCaptcha is a better security protection, as it can be passed by more users and be passed by fewer bots. hCaptcha will be unknown if it is too powerful for bots (or even, users). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 19:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28474Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-02T12:52:47Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Oppose */</p>
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=="Grace Period"==<br />
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I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to draw your attention to an ongoing discussion on the [[User talk:Euphoria]] page regarding the [[Test_Wiki:Inactivity_policy|Inactivity Policy]]. The conversation involves myself, {{Ping|X}}, {{Ping|Justarandomamerican}}, and {{Ping|AlPaD}}.<br />
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It appears that both "X" and "Justarandomamerican" hold the view that a "grace period" exists within the Test Wiki's process for removing permissions. However, it is important to note that no such provision is mentioned in the policy itself.<br />
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I have noticed numerous instances where "X" has repeatedly removed rights without following the established procedure, prompting my intervention to revert those actions.<br />
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I kindly request the community to provide their opinions on this matter, as I firmly believe that our actions should align with the guidelines outlined in the policy, rather than making assumptions based on its omissions.<br />
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Thank you for your attention and cooperation.<br />
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Best regards,<br />
[[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Obviously, I {{support}} the ability for bureaucrats to use grace periods to remove rights for a number of reasons.<br />
#It notifies the user of their inactivity through email and allows them to regain their rights sooner, almost like a reminder if they forgot about the wiki.<br />
#It allows inactive users to quickly regain their rights if they come back. Bureaucrat can just assign them back permanently and admins can just request it be made indefinite.<br />
#If they don’t return to activity, it is a convenient way to remove rights, and the outcome is the same. The rights are removed on the same day.<br />
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[[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Whilst I {{support}} grace periods as a common sense measure, I do not understand what causes the absolute letter of policy, rather than the spirit, to be followed. The inactivity policy provides for removal of rights from inactive users. That is it. It does not explicitly disallow grace periods. Disallowing administration in the absence of policy by wheel warring is, more or less, making this wiki appear to be a [[wikipedia: Wikipedia:NOTBUREAUCRACY|bureaucracy when it is not]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::You both need to follow the policy, same as anyone else. Nobody has has decided that a "grace period" is necessary, so why should you? Even so, before making decisions like that, a vote should be made here, on the community portal. I'll be expecting a response from {{Ping|Dmehus}} to confirm my reports. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:::Please explain to me how we are violating policy. You have said that we are, so explain it. What policy am I violating by setting grace periods? The policy states that a users rights will be removed after 3 months of no edits/logged actions, and that is what I am doing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Justarandomamerican}}, Expanding on your assertion regarding the absence of an explicit prohibition of grace periods, it is worth noting that there is also no explicit endorsement. Consequently, one must question the justification for unilaterally modifying the policy at will. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:52, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Does policy state that I can login? Does policy state that I can edit? Does policy state that I can breathe? No, but that doesn’t mean you can’t do it. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::::Again, this wiki is [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:NOTBUREAUCRACY|not a bureaucracy where rules providing for something must be made, and rules providing for something disallow all other handling of a situation]], so administration in the absence of policy is allowed. We are not modifying rules, merely maintaining this wiki in the absence of them. The spirit of the Inactivity Policy does not disallow grace periods, in consequence. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Again, you are modifying the rules by doing whatever you see fit. Clearly, we are at a crossroads and so, I'll leave this to Dmehus and/or {{Ping|Drummingman}} to decide. 18:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC) {{unsigned|Sav}}<br />
::::::What rules are being modified? Policy states to remove rights after 3 months of not actions or edits. We have not altered this in anyway. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
As I said above, I am not in favor of an "already lengthwise truncated user rights" where admin/crat rights are already truncated. I find that impolite and not inviting to test here. But giving a warning on the users' own talk page about 2 weeks in advance, "beware you are approaching the activity criteria", is sufficient as far as I am concerned. But what I find worse is wheel warfare with each other. I urge the users involved not to overrule each other and look for consensus. If you still can't come to a consensus, ask the stewards to get involved, and then do nothing until the steward has made a decision. Keep your head cool and let's keep it nice with each other. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Hi, {{Ping|Drummingman}}. To put simply, that means no grace period, correct? We are okay to issue a friendly warning stating "You are approaching the activity criteria" yes? Regards. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:As far as I am aware, this is a community discussion, and a Steward's decision is not final, as this wiki's decision making mechanism is not autocracy. We should continue to discuss this matter. I disagree as to it being unfriendly: How is it unfriendly when they are immediately notified by email and have a chance to request the rights be made permanent? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree. Stewards don’t hold seniority in discussions. This is a community discussion. I also agree with Justa that it isn’t unfriendly. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:46, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Regardless if you don't like the decision, Drummingman has given the answer and until Mac or Dmehus gives their input, we should follow what Drummingman stated. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Elected Stewards have no say in community discussion besides what all other members of the community have, and their decisions are merely temporary dispute resolution. We shall continue to discuss this. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:51, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::What I would like to add here is that this is my own opinion, not a direct "steward decision" but a user who is also a steward. I have not talked to the other stewards about this yet. Moreover, I also think it is important to hear your opinions on this. So, this is not a final decision yet. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Thank you for correcting my assumption that you were acting under the color of your authority to resolve disputes. That was a wrong assumption. Thank you again, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::You're welcome. {{Ping|X}}. I really hope you stay active. Your work has been good so far. Don't let this discourage you. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I won’t. I just really hate conflict. I think that grace periods should just be optional. You can do them if you want, but you don’t have to use them either. This is a good compromise. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{Ping|X}} That sounds good. I don't like conflict, either :-). What is most important to me is to respect each other's authority and not start a wheel war over this. I look forward to your opinions, feel free to add anything? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I agree. This isn’t really that important, and to wheel war about it was admittedly futile. I don’t think I have much more to add besides grace periods are an optional part of bureaucrat revoking rights. You can close this, if you wish. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:02, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}} I believe that inactive users should be notified 1-2 weeks before their rights are removed but their rights should not be temporary, they should be removed completely after 3 months. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 06:49, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Comment}} I support Drummingman‘s opinion. Anyone can('''≠'''must) give inactive user warning like ‘Your rights will be removed in 2 weeks unless’…, and it’s more kind.<br />
*Regarding ‘Grace period’, I’m not inclined to support this. because<br />
**If you set an inactive user's rights to expire and then they or requested crats revert them, they'll end up with two user rights logs. I don't like unnecessarily increasing logs and complicating records, except in cases where it can't be helped, such as adding a test group or adding a Bot flag instead of a Flood flag. As per Drummingman's opinion, if you give advance notice and the user edits in the meantime, there is no need to remove the rights, so there is no need for logs.<br />
**If it is chosen to set the expiration date of the rights instead of the permission removal notice on the talk page, the user must extend the rights himself or ask bureaucrats to do so. Whether or not it is a big deal depends on the person, but the only thing that is required in order not to be removed by Inactive Policy is 'edits or logged actions'. If you use the method of setting a expiry on the rights, for example, a user who only edits one week after the expiry is set will have the rights removed one week later. Is this in line with the spirit of the 'Inactive Policy'? (It is a different story if the user who set the expiry is responsible for confirming that it will not happen.)--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 09:43, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I am honestly fine with having a grace period - it seems perfectly reasonable. That being said I do see that there is "edit warring" (with user rights) related to this. This needs to stop. Things should have been discussed further here instead of continuing to edit war. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 14:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I am inclined to agree with you: Further wheel warring should be sanctioned. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I am happy to compromise and agree that an inactive user warning could be issued, but not a "grace period" as Justarandomamerican suggested; it just complicates the matter as Q8j stated. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Expanding upon my previous statement, I would support the inclusion of a grace period. However, I suggest implementing a courtesy warning prior to initiating the grace period. This would allow users to be notified in advance. If no edits are made within 48 hours following the warning, the grace period may be implemented. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 05:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::I would be fine with that, but I think 24hrs would be more appropriate. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:38, 29 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::24hrs is fine with me. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:00, 29 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I also agree with you. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::::I also now agree to allow a non-mandatory grace period. And also to wait at least 24 hours before it takes effect. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 11:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::::I suggest that bureaucrats wait a 24-hour grace period before removing permissions, with exceptional cases. This discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:40, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:Proxy policy|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Questions===<br />
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===Result===<br />
Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
==[[User:Example]]==<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==<br />
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*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
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*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
*[[Special:Block/107.181.230.227|107.181.230.227]]<br />
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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==Proxy bot==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{not done|Not done and withdrawn}}<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Signature that belongs to the user that will own the proxy bot===<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Status: {{not done}}<br />
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Change from: Example user<br />
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Change to: Example user, blocked from chat<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege==<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**Just what I tell you above. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:52, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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=="Grace Period"==<br />
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Greetings,<br />
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I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to draw your attention to an ongoing discussion on the [[User talk:Euphoria]] page regarding the [[Test_Wiki:Inactivity_policy|Inactivity Policy]]. The conversation involves myself, {{Ping|X}}, {{Ping|Justarandomamerican}}, and {{Ping|AlPaD}}.<br />
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It appears that both "X" and "Justarandomamerican" hold the view that a "grace period" exists within the Test Wiki's process for removing permissions. However, it is important to note that no such provision is mentioned in the policy itself.<br />
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I have noticed numerous instances where "X" has repeatedly removed rights without following the established procedure, prompting my intervention to revert those actions.<br />
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I kindly request the community to provide their opinions on this matter, as I firmly believe that our actions should align with the guidelines outlined in the policy, rather than making assumptions based on its omissions.<br />
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Thank you for your attention and cooperation.<br />
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Best regards,<br />
[[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Obviously, I {{support}} the ability for bureaucrats to use grace periods to remove rights for a number of reasons.<br />
#It notifies the user of their inactivity through email and allows them to regain their rights sooner, almost like a reminder if they forgot about the wiki.<br />
#It allows inactive users to quickly regain their rights if they come back. Bureaucrat can just assign them back permanently and admins can just request it be made indefinite.<br />
#If they don’t return to activity, it is a convenient way to remove rights, and the outcome is the same. The rights are removed on the same day.<br />
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[[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Whilst I {{support}} grace periods as a common sense measure, I do not understand what causes the absolute letter of policy, rather than the spirit, to be followed. The inactivity policy provides for removal of rights from inactive users. That is it. It does not explicitly disallow grace periods. Disallowing administration in the absence of policy by wheel warring is, more or less, making this wiki appear to be a [[wikipedia: Wikipedia:NOTBUREAUCRACY|bureaucracy when it is not]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::You both need to follow the policy, same as anyone else. Nobody has has decided that a "grace period" is necessary, so why should you? Even so, before making decisions like that, a vote should be made here, on the community portal. I'll be expecting a response from {{Ping|Dmehus}} to confirm my reports. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:::Please explain to me how we are violating policy. You have said that we are, so explain it. What policy am I violating by setting grace periods? The policy states that a users rights will be removed after 3 months of no edits/logged actions, and that is what I am doing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Justarandomamerican}}, Expanding on your assertion regarding the absence of an explicit prohibition of grace periods, it is worth noting that there is also no explicit endorsement. Consequently, one must question the justification for unilaterally modifying the policy at will. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:52, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Does policy state that I can login? Does policy state that I can edit? Does policy state that I can breathe? No, but that doesn’t mean you can’t do it. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::::Again, this wiki is [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:NOTBUREAUCRACY|not a bureaucracy where rules providing for something must be made, and rules providing for something disallow all other handling of a situation]], so administration in the absence of policy is allowed. We are not modifying rules, merely maintaining this wiki in the absence of them. The spirit of the Inactivity Policy does not disallow grace periods, in consequence. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Again, you are modifying the rules by doing whatever you see fit. Clearly, we are at a crossroads and so, I'll leave this to Dmehus and/or {{Ping|Drummingman}} to decide. 18:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC) {{unsigned|Sav}}<br />
::::::What rules are being modified? Policy states to remove rights after 3 months of not actions or edits. We have not altered this in anyway. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
As I said above, I am not in favor of an "already lengthwise truncated user rights" where admin/crat rights are already truncated. I find that impolite and not inviting to test here. But giving a warning on the users' own talk page about 2 weeks in advance, "beware you are approaching the activity criteria", is sufficient as far as I am concerned. But what I find worse is wheel warfare with each other. I urge the users involved not to overrule each other and look for consensus. If you still can't come to a consensus, ask the stewards to get involved, and then do nothing until the steward has made a decision. Keep your head cool and let's keep it nice with each other. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Hi, {{Ping|Drummingman}}. To put simply, that means no grace period, correct? We are okay to issue a friendly warning stating "You are approaching the activity criteria" yes? Regards. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:As far as I am aware, this is a community discussion, and a Steward's decision is not final, as this wiki's decision making mechanism is not autocracy. We should continue to discuss this matter. I disagree as to it being unfriendly: How is it unfriendly when they are immediately notified by email and have a chance to request the rights be made permanent? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree. Stewards don’t hold seniority in discussions. This is a community discussion. I also agree with Justa that it isn’t unfriendly. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:46, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Regardless if you don't like the decision, Drummingman has given the answer and until Mac or Dmehus gives their input, we should follow what Drummingman stated. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Elected Stewards have no say in community discussion besides what all other members of the community have, and their decisions are merely temporary dispute resolution. We shall continue to discuss this. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:51, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::What I would like to add here is that this is my own opinion, not a direct "steward decision" but a user who is also a steward. I have not talked to the other stewards about this yet. Moreover, I also think it is important to hear your opinions on this. So, this is not a final decision yet. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Thank you for correcting my assumption that you were acting under the color of your authority to resolve disputes. That was a wrong assumption. Thank you again, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::You're welcome. {{Ping|X}}. I really hope you stay active. Your work has been good so far. Don't let this discourage you. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I won’t. I just really hate conflict. I think that grace periods should just be optional. You can do them if you want, but you don’t have to use them either. This is a good compromise. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{Ping|X}} That sounds good. I don't like conflict, either :-). What is most important to me is to respect each other's authority and not start a wheel war over this. I look forward to your opinions, feel free to add anything? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I agree. This isn’t really that important, and to wheel war about it was admittedly futile. I don’t think I have much more to add besides grace periods are an optional part of bureaucrat revoking rights. You can close this, if you wish. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:02, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}} I believe that inactive users should be notified 1-2 weeks before their rights are removed but their rights should not be temporary, they should be removed completely after 3 months. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 06:49, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Comment}} I support Drummingman‘s opinion. Anyone can('''≠'''must) give inactive user warning like ‘Your rights will be removed in 2 weeks unless’…, and it’s more kind.<br />
*Regarding ‘Grace period’, I’m not inclined to support this. because<br />
**If you set an inactive user's rights to expire and then they or requested crats revert them, they'll end up with two user rights logs. I don't like unnecessarily increasing logs and complicating records, except in cases where it can't be helped, such as adding a test group or adding a Bot flag instead of a Flood flag. As per Drummingman's opinion, if you give advance notice and the user edits in the meantime, there is no need to remove the rights, so there is no need for logs.<br />
**If it is chosen to set the expiration date of the rights instead of the permission removal notice on the talk page, the user must extend the rights himself or ask bureaucrats to do so. Whether or not it is a big deal depends on the person, but the only thing that is required in order not to be removed by Inactive Policy is 'edits or logged actions'. If you use the method of setting a expiry on the rights, for example, a user who only edits one week after the expiry is set will have the rights removed one week later. Is this in line with the spirit of the 'Inactive Policy'? (It is a different story if the user who set the expiry is responsible for confirming that it will not happen.)--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 09:43, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I am honestly fine with having a grace period - it seems perfectly reasonable. That being said I do see that there is "edit warring" (with user rights) related to this. This needs to stop. Things should have been discussed further here instead of continuing to edit war. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 14:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I am inclined to agree with you: Further wheel warring should be sanctioned. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I am happy to compromise and agree that an inactive user warning could be issued, but not a "grace period" as Justarandomamerican suggested; it just complicates the matter as Q8j stated. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Expanding upon my previous statement, I would support the inclusion of a grace period. However, I suggest implementing a courtesy warning prior to initiating the grace period. This would allow users to be notified in advance. If no edits are made within 48 hours following the warning, the grace period may be implemented. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 05:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::I would be fine with that, but I think 24hrs would be more appropriate. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:38, 29 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::24hrs is fine with me. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:00, 29 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I also agree with you. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::::I also now agree to allow a non-mandatory grace period. And also to wait at least 24 hours before it takes effect. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 11:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::::I suggest that bureaucrats wait a 24-hour grace period before removing permissions, with exceptional cases. This discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:40, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:Proxy policy|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Questions===<br />
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===Result===<br />
Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
==[[User:Example]]==<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==<br />
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*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
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Status: {{not done}}<br />
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Change to: Example user, blocked from chat<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege==<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's unknown if it's very helpful, while leaning on not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28472Test Wiki:Community portal2023-07-02T12:51:32Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Comments */</p>
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=="Grace Period"==<br />
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Greetings,<br />
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I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to draw your attention to an ongoing discussion on the [[User talk:Euphoria]] page regarding the [[Test_Wiki:Inactivity_policy|Inactivity Policy]]. The conversation involves myself, {{Ping|X}}, {{Ping|Justarandomamerican}}, and {{Ping|AlPaD}}.<br />
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It appears that both "X" and "Justarandomamerican" hold the view that a "grace period" exists within the Test Wiki's process for removing permissions. However, it is important to note that no such provision is mentioned in the policy itself.<br />
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I have noticed numerous instances where "X" has repeatedly removed rights without following the established procedure, prompting my intervention to revert those actions.<br />
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I kindly request the community to provide their opinions on this matter, as I firmly believe that our actions should align with the guidelines outlined in the policy, rather than making assumptions based on its omissions.<br />
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[[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Obviously, I {{support}} the ability for bureaucrats to use grace periods to remove rights for a number of reasons.<br />
#It notifies the user of their inactivity through email and allows them to regain their rights sooner, almost like a reminder if they forgot about the wiki.<br />
#It allows inactive users to quickly regain their rights if they come back. Bureaucrat can just assign them back permanently and admins can just request it be made indefinite.<br />
#If they don’t return to activity, it is a convenient way to remove rights, and the outcome is the same. The rights are removed on the same day.<br />
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[[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Whilst I {{support}} grace periods as a common sense measure, I do not understand what causes the absolute letter of policy, rather than the spirit, to be followed. The inactivity policy provides for removal of rights from inactive users. That is it. It does not explicitly disallow grace periods. Disallowing administration in the absence of policy by wheel warring is, more or less, making this wiki appear to be a [[wikipedia: Wikipedia:NOTBUREAUCRACY|bureaucracy when it is not]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::You both need to follow the policy, same as anyone else. Nobody has has decided that a "grace period" is necessary, so why should you? Even so, before making decisions like that, a vote should be made here, on the community portal. I'll be expecting a response from {{Ping|Dmehus}} to confirm my reports. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:::Please explain to me how we are violating policy. You have said that we are, so explain it. What policy am I violating by setting grace periods? The policy states that a users rights will be removed after 3 months of no edits/logged actions, and that is what I am doing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Justarandomamerican}}, Expanding on your assertion regarding the absence of an explicit prohibition of grace periods, it is worth noting that there is also no explicit endorsement. Consequently, one must question the justification for unilaterally modifying the policy at will. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:52, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Does policy state that I can login? Does policy state that I can edit? Does policy state that I can breathe? No, but that doesn’t mean you can’t do it. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::::Again, this wiki is [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:NOTBUREAUCRACY|not a bureaucracy where rules providing for something must be made, and rules providing for something disallow all other handling of a situation]], so administration in the absence of policy is allowed. We are not modifying rules, merely maintaining this wiki in the absence of them. The spirit of the Inactivity Policy does not disallow grace periods, in consequence. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Again, you are modifying the rules by doing whatever you see fit. Clearly, we are at a crossroads and so, I'll leave this to Dmehus and/or {{Ping|Drummingman}} to decide. 18:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC) {{unsigned|Sav}}<br />
::::::What rules are being modified? Policy states to remove rights after 3 months of not actions or edits. We have not altered this in anyway. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
As I said above, I am not in favor of an "already lengthwise truncated user rights" where admin/crat rights are already truncated. I find that impolite and not inviting to test here. But giving a warning on the users' own talk page about 2 weeks in advance, "beware you are approaching the activity criteria", is sufficient as far as I am concerned. But what I find worse is wheel warfare with each other. I urge the users involved not to overrule each other and look for consensus. If you still can't come to a consensus, ask the stewards to get involved, and then do nothing until the steward has made a decision. Keep your head cool and let's keep it nice with each other. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Hi, {{Ping|Drummingman}}. To put simply, that means no grace period, correct? We are okay to issue a friendly warning stating "You are approaching the activity criteria" yes? Regards. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:As far as I am aware, this is a community discussion, and a Steward's decision is not final, as this wiki's decision making mechanism is not autocracy. We should continue to discuss this matter. I disagree as to it being unfriendly: How is it unfriendly when they are immediately notified by email and have a chance to request the rights be made permanent? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree. Stewards don’t hold seniority in discussions. This is a community discussion. I also agree with Justa that it isn’t unfriendly. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:46, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Regardless if you don't like the decision, Drummingman has given the answer and until Mac or Dmehus gives their input, we should follow what Drummingman stated. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Elected Stewards have no say in community discussion besides what all other members of the community have, and their decisions are merely temporary dispute resolution. We shall continue to discuss this. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:51, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::What I would like to add here is that this is my own opinion, not a direct "steward decision" but a user who is also a steward. I have not talked to the other stewards about this yet. Moreover, I also think it is important to hear your opinions on this. So, this is not a final decision yet. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Thank you for correcting my assumption that you were acting under the color of your authority to resolve disputes. That was a wrong assumption. Thank you again, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::You're welcome. {{Ping|X}}. I really hope you stay active. Your work has been good so far. Don't let this discourage you. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I won’t. I just really hate conflict. I think that grace periods should just be optional. You can do them if you want, but you don’t have to use them either. This is a good compromise. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{Ping|X}} That sounds good. I don't like conflict, either :-). What is most important to me is to respect each other's authority and not start a wheel war over this. I look forward to your opinions, feel free to add anything? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I agree. This isn’t really that important, and to wheel war about it was admittedly futile. I don’t think I have much more to add besides grace periods are an optional part of bureaucrat revoking rights. You can close this, if you wish. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:02, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}} I believe that inactive users should be notified 1-2 weeks before their rights are removed but their rights should not be temporary, they should be removed completely after 3 months. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 06:49, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Comment}} I support Drummingman‘s opinion. Anyone can('''≠'''must) give inactive user warning like ‘Your rights will be removed in 2 weeks unless’…, and it’s more kind.<br />
*Regarding ‘Grace period’, I’m not inclined to support this. because<br />
**If you set an inactive user's rights to expire and then they or requested crats revert them, they'll end up with two user rights logs. I don't like unnecessarily increasing logs and complicating records, except in cases where it can't be helped, such as adding a test group or adding a Bot flag instead of a Flood flag. As per Drummingman's opinion, if you give advance notice and the user edits in the meantime, there is no need to remove the rights, so there is no need for logs.<br />
**If it is chosen to set the expiration date of the rights instead of the permission removal notice on the talk page, the user must extend the rights himself or ask bureaucrats to do so. Whether or not it is a big deal depends on the person, but the only thing that is required in order not to be removed by Inactive Policy is 'edits or logged actions'. If you use the method of setting a expiry on the rights, for example, a user who only edits one week after the expiry is set will have the rights removed one week later. Is this in line with the spirit of the 'Inactive Policy'? (It is a different story if the user who set the expiry is responsible for confirming that it will not happen.)--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 09:43, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*I am honestly fine with having a grace period - it seems perfectly reasonable. That being said I do see that there is "edit warring" (with user rights) related to this. This needs to stop. Things should have been discussed further here instead of continuing to edit war. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 14:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I am inclined to agree with you: Further wheel warring should be sanctioned. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I am happy to compromise and agree that an inactive user warning could be issued, but not a "grace period" as Justarandomamerican suggested; it just complicates the matter as Q8j stated. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Expanding upon my previous statement, I would support the inclusion of a grace period. However, I suggest implementing a courtesy warning prior to initiating the grace period. This would allow users to be notified in advance. If no edits are made within 48 hours following the warning, the grace period may be implemented. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 05:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::I would be fine with that, but I think 24hrs would be more appropriate. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:38, 29 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::24hrs is fine with me. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:00, 29 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I also agree with you. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::::I also now agree to allow a non-mandatory grace period. And also to wait at least 24 hours before it takes effect. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 11:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::::I suggest that bureaucrats wait a 24-hour grace period before removing permissions, with exceptional cases. This discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:40, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==CU Request==<br />
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Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:Proxy policy|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Following that the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks, this discussion is to be closed as soon as possible. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Extension of stewardship flag==<br />
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Account rename==<br />
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{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Closed as the discussion has not been active for more than 3 weeks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==<br />
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==<br />
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Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:<br />
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;<br />
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;<br />
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::What's wrong with adding the rights in that case? I don't view that as a significant imposition, and it aids public and community transparency. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:32, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't think you should be able to just view suppressed revisions without the community knowing. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Oppose}} per [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::So would you support it without view suppressed? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:33, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Neutral}} - CU and SU practice for bureaucrats are optional, but I don't mind with CU and SU remain existent and not removed and steward having the CU and SU rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Requests for stewardship X==<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
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Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.<br />
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It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''<br />
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Support===<br />
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drummingman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Move to oppose due to concerns I have. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Moved to Neutral, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
<s>*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*:[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]], I'm confused as to whether you are supporting or opposing here, given you've moved back and forth between support and oppose, and your argument on record still suggests an oppose. Can you please clarify this? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::Per the diff I’ve linked on your talk, Zippy has supported and struck their oppose vote. Please revert your unstrike. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:09, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Yes, I can see that, but I'll decline to unstrike it for the time being, given that I've asked [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] to clarify already whether they are supporting or opposing currently and ''why'', given their current argument on record suggests the latter. They may also wish to consider subsequent comments from users, given how they have gone back and forth. Finally, with so many users striking and unstriking comments here, I think it's best to leave it to them. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::You can’t just unstrike comments because that drastically affects the vote. And just because they might want to concierge other arguments isn’t a correct reason either; they will do that on their own accord. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:17, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Support}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*<s>{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s><br />
*{{Oppose}} '''possibly strong''' for multiple reasons. For one thing, as LisafBia has indicated above, with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]'s recent election to [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], they are quite active here. Combined with my own resumption of being semi-active here, as well as MacFan4000, I feel there isn't a sufficient ''need'' for an additional Steward. Secondly, I am not comfortable granting restricted permissions to someone I don't know, at least not without some on-wiki confirmation that they've held restricted tools on a Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom, or other major wiki or wiki farm. For Test Wiki is a recent launch, initiated as a protest wiki by one user who took issue with the way Public Test Wiki and/or Test Wiki are run. I do not consider holding restricted permissions on For Test Wiki to be sufficient demonstration that the user can be ''trusted''. As well, I also see user conduct issues. While I ''do'' see some edit warring on [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]]'s part, I also see edit warring on [[User:X|X]]'s part, including striking other users' votes. That should be left to other users to do; it's just ''not'' a good look, ''especially'' in one's own permission request. Even if it was justified, it's a potential conflict of interest. More problematic, though, it makes it difficult for other Stewards and community members to fully and easily assess the edits in editorial disputes. Additionally, in X's last Stewardship request, there was strong opposition to the request, to submit to or agree to another nomination so soon, disregards the [[w:WP:COM|community consensus]] formed in that discussion&mdash;a closure which was pre-empted by X's closing the request as withdrawn, which, too, is problematic from that perspective. Finally, I also have issues with the user's recent handling of Seiyena, proceeding directly to a longer term block and interfering with [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]'s handling of the situation, which included firm warnings. This makes me question their potential judgment as a Steward. Finally, their reaching out to me privately to request closure, for the sake of closing the discussion, which was ''barely'' opened four days ago also troubles me. I don't know whether X used [[Special:EmailUser]] to reach out to MacFan4000 as well, but I ''do'' know they reached out to Drummingman to close, and Drummingman closing as nominator would indeed by a highly involved, problematic closure, so I'm glad he declined that. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:03, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I cannot see striking of other users' votes, can you please provide a diff? Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::He may be referring to when I added an end strike when ZippyBonzo forgot to, although that was definitely a correct action. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:14, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], yes, I believe I linked to it in an edit summary, no? I believe it may be the one [[User:X|X]] refers to. Whether it was a correct strike if Zippybonzo had withdrawn their !vote, they are also capable of fixing it themselves or, should they not be sufficiently active, letting an unconflicted user fix it. That's still problematic. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::Helping out another user is problematic? I was just trying to help. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::In your own permissions request. That's conflicted. You [rfc:2119 should] have left it to another user to fix. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::Okay. But I would also like to point out that undo-ing a strike that supports what you think is also very conflicted and problematic. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:30, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:::::I'm not too sure how adding an end-strike to a !vote amendment which [[Special:PermaLink/28072|resulted in the !voting user striking an entire part of discussion out]] is inherently problematic. It is a mere technical fix which should be uncontroversial. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::::I directly recall asking X to do it on my behalf off-wiki. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*:I’m still trying to comprehend your entire reasoning, but I wanted to point out that @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] was the one who asked me to email you requesting closure. He can confirm this. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::I don't know about that; all I do know is ''you'' e-mailed me. I'm sure Drummingman would have e-mailed me, as he has e-mailed me in the past with respect to other matters, if he felt closure was needed. Perhaps there could be a more justifiable case in the case of a permission request being outstanding for two or three weeks, but 3-4 days? That's quite quick, in my view. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I believe that this candidate having Steward rights may cause even further problems when they intervene in disputes. I have concerns about their independent judgment on second thought, due to working with them elsewhere. It appears they may not be able to make proper decisions independently. This !vote will likely be amended as I do further research. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{oppose}}: I'm going to add a fresh oppose as I'm fed up of striking and unstriking, but whilst I believe X is competent, I would like to see them holding advanced permissions somewhere like Wikimedia. I also find their conduct in this discussion to be confusing/concerning. The rest of my oppose !vote is summed up by Justarandomamerican and Dmehus. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:40, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
===Neutral===<br />
*<s> {{Neutral}}. X is very active, very constructive, very helpful, and have satisfactory edits, and is an admin and a bureaucrat, despite some features he need to work on. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:Could you specify how you think I can improve? Thanks! [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::<s> CheckUser and Suppressor. Once you complete those 2 things, you can be steward. I'm contacting the stewards and one of the three stewards will give you both CU and Suppressor. Pinging the stewards. {{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} Stewards, could you promote X to CheckUser and Suppressor? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:41, 1 July 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
*:::Per [[Test Wiki:CheckUser|established]] [[Test Wiki:Suppressor|policy]], these rights won't be granted to non-stewards. So basically, If you want me to hold these rights, I must first be a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*::::OK, moved my vote to support. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Neutral}}- As the nominator, I want to be Neutral. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Questions===<br />
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===Result===<br />
Withdrawn by [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) at 12:39, 2 July 2023 (UTC).<br />
==[[User:Example]]==<br />
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Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.<br />
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I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==<br />
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Status: {{done}}<br />
*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
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*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]<br />
*[[Special:Block/107.181.230.227|107.181.230.227]]<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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<s> Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC) </s><br />
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==Proxy bot==<br />
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<b>Status:</b> {{not done|Not done and withdrawn}}<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Signature that belongs to the user that will own the proxy bot===<br />
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*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===<br />
<!---- Only if the nomination is finished ----><br />
Status as withdrawn. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:38, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thank you so much! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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{{Discussion top}}<br />
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{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] (Now [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]]) and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks? <br />
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If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] is most definitely '''not''' a sockpuppet of [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. Behaviourally, they are not even remotely similar, and Cocopuff2018 has also confirmed their Miraheze account. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. I’m not quite sure what gave @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] that idea. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:59, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::That's an easy question to answer. Well, this discussion is to be closed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block proxies, users, and IPs at the link below==<br />
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Block proxies, users, and IPs: [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs requests]]<br />
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Note: I am not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Change group membership for user [[User:Example|Example]]==<br />
{{Discussion top}}<br />
Status: {{not done}}<br />
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Change from: Example user<br />
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Change to: Example user, blocked from chat<br />
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Reason: Permanently blocked by Drummingman (autoblock disabled, account creation disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) as a steward action.<br />
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Thank you. From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:{{not done}} as blocked users are automatically blocked from chat. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:02, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Add IPBE privilege==<br />
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===Nomination===<br />
This is Tailsultimatefan3891. I'd like the wiki to have the IPBE (IP block exemption) privilege to Test Wiki. Unfortunately however, I can't do it immediately, as only system administrators can do it. The IPBE privilege can have the following right:<br />
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*Bypass IP blocks, auto-blocks and range blocks <code>(ipblock-exempt)</code><br />
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Update of 18:51, 1 July 2023 (UTC): Only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin.<br />
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From, [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Support===<br />
*{{Support}} Author request. It helps non-admins in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{support}} as some people won't be able to request rights if they have a blocked IP. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 10:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Oppose===<br />
*{{oppose}} as sysops already have it, so no need for a separate group. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
**But only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks that anyone has logging to their user but not an admin. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
***I can see that, but any user can become an admin, so isn't it redundant? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
****Even users request to get their permission can be blocked only in the case of an IP block, auto-block, and/or range blocks before the permission is granted. It has since existed on Wikipedia and The Test Wiki (the wiki made in 2010). It hasn't been made on this wiki yet. For this, it's partially redundant. IPBE is for non-sysops only. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]])<br />
*{{oppose}} As per [[User:X|X]]'s comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Neutral===<br />
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===Comments===<br />
*{{Comment}} I don't know if IPBE is very useful or not. While IPBE for admins is being redundant, it's not redundant for non-admins. But IPBE isn't totally useful because with <s> just 1 person voting {{Support}} (that was me) </s> 2 persons voting {{Support}} (that was Zippybonzo and me) and also 2 persons voting {{Oppose}} (that was Sav and X). By the way, it's not extremely useful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Result===</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28471User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-02T12:49:54Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* New signature */</p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message [[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/unprotected|here]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==New signature==<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Add permissions==<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==User rights==<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==rollback==<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Bureaucrat==<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==False positive==<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Blocked==<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
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#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== New signature ==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28470User talk:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-02T12:49:11Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: </p>
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<div>Send a message here, then I'll respond swiftly. If you can't edit this page because not to disturb you or other reasons why I asked you not to, you may leave a message [[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/unprotected|here]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=edited_with_the_editintro Edit with the editintro]<br />
*[https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Tailsultimatefan3891&action=edit&section=new&editintro=User%20talk:Tailsultimatefan3891/Editnotice&summary=new_section_with_the_editintro New section with editintro]<br />
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:{{ping|CM3891}} Thanks! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==My log was constructive.==<br />
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My log was constructive. Please revert your action and send me a message. Thanks. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|TUFTest4}} I will, only if your edit summary was constructive. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Chat moderator and confirmed==<br />
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I want those requests those permission now [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done}} Enjoy! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Revoked}} Do not revert unless totally necessary. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]] | [[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Can I have confirmed, chat mdoerator, autopatrolled, and researchers permissions. Thank you. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Do it [[SPecial:Contributions/CM8782|here]]. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) 00:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::{{Done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==User rights==<br />
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Can I have patroller please. [[User:CM8782|CM8782]] ([[User talk:CM8782|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/CM8782|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/CM8782|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/CM8782|block]]) 00:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Done|Quickly done}} Happy testing! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::{{Nd|Revoked}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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may i have permission for this? thank you {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::As an administrator you already have this right. See [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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May you please look at my request? thank you. {{unsigned|Lolkikmoddi}}<br />
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:Already done. Also, please make sure to sign your posts like this: <code> <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> </code> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==False positive==<br />
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Hello. It seems you blocked TUFTest4 indefinitely. Could you unblock him as a false positive? [[User:Example|Example]] ([[User talk:Example|talk]]) 17:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:Technially yes. If this user misbehaves the user, he will be reblocked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 17:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:I could either reply to Example or not, but I'm gonna leave it to admins, crats, or stewards. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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::Thank you for giving me another chance. [[User:TUFTest4|TUFTest4]] ([[User talk:TUFTest4|talk]]) 17:25, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:::Now blocked for numerous violations: sockpuppet, abusing multiple accounts, vandalism, long term abuse. Drummingman recently restored the block of TUFTest4 by Q8j. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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Dear, Tailsultimatefan3891 I have blocked you indefinitely for harassment, sock puppet abuse and as far as I am concerned for abuse of authority. If you can show that you are not going to harass and abuse with multiple accounts you can be unblocked, but I will leave that to other admins or stewards. Regards, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
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:{{Ping|Drummingman}} Actually, can I wait? And do I have to add the text <code> <nowiki> {{unblock|reason=your reason here ~~~~}} </nowiki> </code>? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::I am not convinced that works here. As a blocking administrator, I recommend that you wait at least another six months. I hope by then you can show on other wikis that you can contribute constructively; without sock puppetry, ed. Furthermore, your talk page is now only open for discussion about your blocking, please only talk about that, otherwise your talk page will also be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::{{Ping|Drummingman}} Yep, if I make constructive edits to Wikimedia projects, I would recommend waiting for at least a year from today. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, as you suggested. I sincerely hope you do and that I don't see you blocked again for the same things in any wiki project: because this is already the 3rd project as far as I know in which you have been blocked for sock puppet abuse; good hand bad hand and harassment. I don't know if you really get it, I hope you understand the gravity of the situation. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::{{ping|Drummingman}} Will make an unblock request on or after 20:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::That's fine with me, in the meantime show that you can edit constructively to other projects, and then we'll see further if you can come back. I sincerely hope, I can give positive advice for your unblocking. I hope you don't disappoint us. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} I have Meta account [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tailsultimatefan3891 here]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I know it :-), [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:58, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::{{ping|Drummingman}} When I will get admin and bureaucrat privileges back. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::As long as you are still blocked, that is impossible. Thereafter, we will see if and when you can get them back. I kindly ask you to stop the consultation now until your unblocking request in 1 year as you yourself suggested. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 23:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I created new sections now. Thanks for the reply! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 23:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Dear Tailsultimatefan3891, as I see you have been blocked indefinitely on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Tailsultimatefan3891 meta-wiki] for vandalism. I can only conclude that you are untrustworthy. Therefore, I cannot give a positive unblocking advice, the matter is now up to the stewards as far as I am concerned if and when they want to give you another chance on this wiki. Greetings from, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} I concur with [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] here. When I last investigated this in November, I saw obvious sockpuppetry together with [[w:IDHT|highly disruptive]] vandalism. I'm not prepared to restore your user talk page access at this point, but if one bureaucrat agrees to extending you a ''modest'' leash to formulate a new appeal, by way of a reply here, I'd be open to at least restoring your user talk page access. Note I would want to see an indefinite user restriction limiting you to one user account and restricting you against using VPNs/open proxies without express on-wiki consent of a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]], but in addition to that, I would also like to see you publicly acknowledge ''all'' of your incorrect behaviour, how you plan to correct that, and, crucially, what, if any, other counter-measures you propose should you contravene your promises in the future. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 20:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Agree. I've restored TPA myself because I'd like to allow a public appeal due to the length of time that has passed and the fact that a WM unlock was granted recently. Tailsultimatefan3891, your appeal must contain an acknowledgement and how you plan to correct past incorrect behavior, or it will be declined. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{ping|Drummingman}} as the original blocking bureaucrat (now steward), what is your opinion on restoring TPA? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::IMHO i would say leave the ban as is @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Perhaps I will be wrong, and they will simply get back and abuse TPA. I am granting them a public appeal, and that only. I will not unblock them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::is this person an LTA Of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's not likely given the fact that WM stewards unlocked their account. Seiyena is WMF global banned, and I'm fairly certain WM stewards would at least perform an investigation before unlocking. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::are they a n LTA of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Again, that is unlikely because of the reasons I mentioned above. It is possible, but not plausible. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]<nowiki/>they have the same profile page as them [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::That's fine. I'm curious if Tailsultimatefan3891's behavior has changed positively? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Numberous extremely highly disruptive behavior was spotted to me both on-wiki and off-wiki. First, I started on Fandom, made numberous socks on fandom (e.g. Commonprenton, Existnot, Passwordsishere, etc.) [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Commonprenton's Numberblocks Wiki Block: [https://numberblocks.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Commonprenton] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::This really doesn’t help your unblock case. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::Also have Wikimedia account Commonprenton locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Fandom account Existnot is globally blocked, then globally locked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::100.11.109.181 is blocked for 3 days for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021 to May 18, 2021: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817318] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::How is this relevant to an appeal? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Relevant appeals: Will read [[WP:GTAB]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::How about to get {{ping|MacFan4000}} involved in this? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Less than half an hour than 100.11.109.181 was blocked for disruptive editing on Wikipedia on May 15, 2021, The IP lost TPA rights as 331dot changed block settings for this IP: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=117817802] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])<br />
{{outdent|::::::::::::}} And I did nothing after the UTRS appeal was declined until May 18, 2021. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Ponyo blocked 100.11.109.181 on Wikipedia again on June 11, 2021 for disruptive editing and extreme [[Wikipedia:WP:CIR|WP:CIR]] issues: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=118528447] [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:56, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Gldgenga471834gldben account on Wikipedia made numberous edits without providing citing sources. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Please note that your talk page access is only permitted to be used to discuss your block and possibly an unblock. Any further unrelated comments will lead to you not being able to edit your talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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===Unblock requests===<br />
====Suggestions for unblock request====<br />
Hi, I just wanted to ask you two quesrions that might help here.<br />
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1. What did you do wrong to be blocked here?<br />
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2. What can you do here differently that will be good here?<br />
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Try to focus on just this wiki, not on Fandom or Wikimedia. Think about your actions on this wiki only.<br />
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I hope this helps. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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====Unblock request 1====<br />
Status: {{Done}}<br />
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Here is the reason why you should unblock me:<br />
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"Overall, first, I am confirmed I did sockpuppetry, harassment, intimidating, obscene, and abusive behavior, disorderly conduct. I abuse multiple accounts. Also for long-term abuse and also cross-wiki abuse. For abuse of privilege beyond testually reasonable, I'm also blocked. Drummingman, Justarandomamerican, Dmehus, Seiyena, and X was involved in this. <br />
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In the future: Indefinite restriction to one account, abusive behavior de-escalated, and VPNs/proxies use not permitted. VPNs/proxies use prohibited. Grossly disruptive behavior, will result in a one-strike block. Creating pages with grossly illegal, immoral, unethical, insulting, degrading, or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety is strictly prohibited and will result in a one-strike block."<br />
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[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 18:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:This sounds like a reasonable appeal to me. Nice job. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:After a discussion with @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], this is {{done}}. In addition to the above restrictions, you may not request sysop rights for 2 weeks from now or bureaucrat rights until a month from now. This is to show you can be trusted. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed. You've been given another chance on this wiki, don't ruin it. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I will also not request steward rights for 3 months from now or system administrator rights for 6 months from now. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 01:35, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::That’s fine, and probably wise. But just note that this isn’t an official restriction. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==question==<br />
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are you a sock account of [[User:Piccadilly|<bdi>Seiyena</bdi>]] @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 20:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Nope, 2 separate LTAs. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Indeed that had already been investigated by another steward [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for confirming. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::so seiyena and tailsulimatefan3891? are the same person @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]]@[[User:X|X]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::'''No''', they arnt the same person. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::Well? That's a easy question for X to answer. <s>The discussion is to be closed. Do not reply to me.</s> [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::What’s that supposed to mean. I believe the words you’re looking for are “thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal”. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:32, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::"thank you for granting me a second chance to appeal". When a chance to appeal is blocked, I get another chance to appeal after waiting long periods of time. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 15:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Congrats!==<br />
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Congratulations on your unblock here. Also, congrats on getting your Wikimedia account unlocked. My own account is still locked but I hope it will be unlocked before too long like yours was. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning ⛔️==<br />
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This is a formal warning on behalf of @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] and I. Please don’t accuse random users of sock puppetry with no evidence at all. This is unreasonable and unacceptable. Thank you. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm sorry. I won't do it again. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to remember==<br />
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#Follow behavior guidelines.<br />
#The following are prohibited and I refer them to the prohibited things:<br />
##Intimidating behavior<br />
##Obscene behavior<br />
##Abusive behavior<br />
##Disruptive behavior<br />
##Harassment<br />
##Legal threats<br />
##NSFW behavior<br />
##Immoral behavior<br />
##Illegal behavior<br />
##Unethical behavior<br />
##Slurs<br />
##Heavy amount and realistic details of inappropriate content<br />
##Libelous behavior<br />
##Defamatory behavior<br />
##Things against the law<br />
##Unlawful behavior<br />
##Hate speech<br />
##Cross-wiki abuse<br />
##Long-term abuse<br />
##Sockpuppetry<br />
##Meatpuppetry<br />
##Extremely bad behavior<br />
##Google Terms of Use, Wikimedia Terms of Use, Miraheze Terms of Use, and/or Fandom Terms of Use violations<br />
##Copyright violations<br />
##Privacy violations<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material and detailed<br />
##Grossly insulting, degrading, and/or offensive material to the standards of morality, decency and propriety<br />
##Frequently and/or highly crossly, gratuitous, cruel, exploitative, and/or offensive behavior<br />
#No false statements are allowed unless evidence considers it true.<br />
#I will blocked if I do anything that is noticed as I refer to the prohibited things.<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 00:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== New signature ==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|T]] | [[Special:Contribs/Tailsultimatefan3891|C]] | [{Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|UR]] | [[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|B]]) 12:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Piccadilly&diff=28469User talk:Piccadilly2023-07-02T12:44:49Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Change the talk page archive link */ space from my message, please.</p>
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My talk page archive: [[User talk:Piccadilly/Archive]]<br />
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==A barnstar for you!==<br />
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| style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" |Thank for your reverts and deletions of blatant vandalism from [[Special:Contributions/162.221.168.71|162.221.168.71]], a cross-platform, cross-wiki long-term abuse case. Based on my initial [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] review of the situation, there was no further abuse, which is good, and you, [[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]], and [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] all handled the situation great. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 08:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==About the most recent filter 88 hit==<br />
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Just making a note here that I definitely will not go back to using bad words or slurs here like I used to do. I actually didn't think that would be stopped by the filter; I intended to make that page and then delete it. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 12:29, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
:I’m just questioning why you did it anyway, even if it didn’t trigger, someone would notice and then fix filter 88. , Can you provide a reason as to why you tried to trigger it anyway. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 21:38, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
::Because I wanted to make a test page to delete, and at the time I was thiniking what I posted about something in real life. Since it wasn't insulting or name-calling, I didn't see anything wrong with using that on the test page. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::Any explanation on the triggering on the 25th? Also, I put the request on hold until I get some opinions. <small>(ping on reply)</small>[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 21:47, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
::::The one with the random letters was me doing something silly. Like I said above, I thought it wasn't too significant because I wasn't insulting anyone or using slurs. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::::Ok, I’m not in a position to answer the request without some other crat opinions, but I would probably lean towards granting if you don’t intentionally do something that you know triggers filter 88. I am pleased about there slurs stopping and I think you migh end up waiting another week just because the other crats want that. But I am quite lenient, also, are you FirstNoelle on PublicTestWiki, just because someone on Qualitypedia or whatever it’s called blocked FirstNoelle as a sock of your account there. And given most of the users here are also on that wiki, that might change things. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 22:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
No, I am not FirstNoelle on any wiki. But I am ApexAgunomu. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 22:10, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
:Ok, thanks for telling me this stuff. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 22:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
::You're welcome. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 22:18, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Your recent actions==<br />
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May I ask why you felt it appropriate to upload [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=File%3AScreenshot_20220623-110055.png pornographic content] to TestWiki? —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 23:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
:I had that screenshot lying on my phone and since I intended to delete the image immediately after uploading it, I never thought anyone would see it. Thus, I thought there was no harm if I did that. But I won't upload any more pictures like that. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 23:27, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
::Why did you upload it in the first place? —&nbsp;<span style="font-variant: small-caps">[[User:Arcversin|Arcversin]] ([[User talk:Arcversin|talk]])</span> 23:29, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
:I was testing image uploading and since I didn't have a lot of time, I chose the first image I came across. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 23:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
::Hello, Seiyena. Your actions are inexcusable. Considering the '''countless''' chances we have given you, just for you to abuse them, I think it is fair to say you are no longer welcome to the Test Wiki's sysop permissions. However, if a Steward disagrees with this, then of course you can create a new RFP. There is no excuse to upload pornographic content to the TestWiki under '''any''' circumstances. [[User:Sav|Trayfel]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 00:29, 27 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
:::I admit it was not one of my best decisions. However, I still think that since I deleted it right afterwards, it didn't seem too serious. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 00:35, 27 June 2022 (UTC)<br />
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==Restored reasonable and limited use of your user talk page==<br />
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Hi Seiyena,<br />
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Apologies for the delayed response. I have restored your use of your user talk page on your '''main account''', to discourage continued [[w:WP:SOCK|illegitimate sockpuppetry]], as well as reasonable use of [[Special:EmailUser]], since you said you had issues e-mailing <code>staff[at]testwiki.wiki</code> directly. Given your recent sockpuppetry, I would strongly suggest waiting at least two weeks before appealing. When you appeal, I would suggest you clearly:<br />
#Articulate what you have done wrong and what's frustrated fellow community members (including the illegitimate sockpuppetry, of course, but what are the main reasons)<br />
#How you aim to improve and what control measures you require<br />
#What you propose in terms of progressive discipline for contraventions<br />
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Thanks,<br />
<br />[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 02:29, 30 January 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:Thank you for allowing me to edit my talk page again. I will be thinking about the points you brought up and make an unblock appeal in a couple of weeks, which I hope I can use to show that I am more mature now. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 02:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Okay, that sounds good. Also, ''please'' avoid Miraheze for now. Let's work on reintegrating here first, ''then'' after the community here is satisfied, they can recommend your re-entry to Miraheze. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 03:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)<br />
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All right, I'll stop trying to evade my lock on Miraheze and focus on actually changing my behavior so I can be welcome back there someday. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 04:03, 30 January 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Things to note here==<br />
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1. Issues <br><br />
-Bad words and evading the abuse filter <br><br />
-Continuing to repeat bad behavior even after saying I'd stop <br><br />
-Editing filter 88 after being told to leave it alone <br><br />
-I also uploaded an inappropiate image here as a test and even though I deleted it right afterwards, I never should have uploaded that kind of image to begin with <br><br />
-Asking for permissions when I wasn't supposed to<br />
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2. I plan to improve my actions here by only testing on pages that are either in my userspace or marked clearly as test pages. I will not evade filter 88 in any shape or form, and I will acknowledge any correctiona or advice given, and follow that advice. And I will not repeat any of my misbehavior from before.<br />
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As for any control measures I think are needed, the only one I can think of right now is keeping filter 88 active, with perhaps the modification that I mention below.<br />
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A note about filter 88: Right now filter 88 is set to simply disallow the action that is trying to be performed. Maybe that should be changed to instead issue a 3-day block any time the filter is triggered as well as remove from any special groups like admin or bureaucrat. I think that might make it more effective at its job and also not cause it to be triggered. This proposal would need a steward's help to implement if it's approved since it involves adding restricted actions. But I do think this might be beneficial to the target of the filter.<br />
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3. Proposed handling of further issues here <br><br />
-First Instance: Warning (plus adding to the abuse filter if needed) <br><br />
-Second Instance: Removal of Permissions for 2 weeks (which may be enforced with a block from the Request Permissions page) <br><br />
-Third Instance: Block (either timed or indefinite, will leave to discretion, but preferably with talk page access on)<br />
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P.S. If anyone else has any comments on what I'm writing here, feel free to add.<br />
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==Question About My Appeal==<br />
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{{ping|Dmehus}}, when I do appeal my block, can any admin or bureaucrat review and take action on the appeal, or can only a steward do that? [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:19, 4 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]], Thank you for your response, and thank you for making some notes above. That shows positive progress, [rfc:2119 ''should''] help in your appeal. With regard to your appeal, in addition to noting your problems, I strongly recommend you include easy and swift consequences that could be taken, potentially by bureaucrats and stewards alike. For example, if a problematic word is not in the abuse filter, I would recommend suggesting any bureaucrat to strengthen the abuse filter as well as provide you with an obligatory warning. If you repeat similar problematic behaviour, a one- or two-week desysop should follow. A third instance would be followed by a one- or two-week block, and a fourth instance would result in a [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Steward]] re-imposing a three-month or indefinite sitewide block, to last for a minimum of three months. Hope that helps. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:08, 4 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you for your reply and tips, Dmehus. I do like the steps you propose, but I know one issue people have had is that I've had multiple chances here, and I guess they would like that to change, so that's why I had said "one warning, then indefinite block" above. But I think what you propose is reasonable, so I'll work that into my plan above. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:08, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
Also, {{ping|Dmehus}}, if I am unblocked, would there be any rules on when I can ask for permissions here again? [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 20:27, 5 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Name Change Request==<br />
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Hi {{ping|Dmehus}}, is there any chance I could be renamed to ApexAgunomu please? Thanks! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:28, 6 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Block Appeal==<br />
{{Discussion top|{{Not done}} per my comment below. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 14:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)}}<br />
Hi, I would like to appeal my current block from this wiki. As noted both above and in this appeal, I realize that there have been multiple issues during my time here, which I apologize for. The issues I can think of are listed below: <br />
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-Making several alt accounts (Sierpnia, Melty Molten), which I will not do any more <br><br />
-Bad words and evading the abuse filter <br><br />
-Continuing to repeat bad behavior even after saying I'd stop <br><br />
-Editing filter 88 after being told to leave it alone <br><br />
-I also uploaded an inappropiate image here as a test and even though I deleted it right afterwards, I never should have uploaded that kind of image to begin with <br><br />
-Asking for permissions when I wasn't supposed to<br />
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I understand that I have been given a lot of chances here, and understand that the patience of the community will be short if I am allowed to test here again. I plan to improve my actions here by only testing on pages that are either in my userspace or marked clearly as test pages. I will not evade filter 88 in any shape or form, and I will acknowledge any correction or advice given, and follow that advice. And I will not repeat any of my misbehavior from before.<br />
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As for any control measures I think are needed, the only one I can think of right now is keeping filter 88 active, with things being added to it if anyone sees the need for it.<br />
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Here is a suggested plan of action if further issues come up here.<br />
-First Instance: Warning (plus adding to the abuse filter if needed) <br><br />
-Second Instance: Removal of Permissions for 2 weeks (which may be enforced with a block from the Request Permissions page) <br><br />
-Third Instance: Block (either timed or indefinite, will leave to discretion, but preferably with talk page access on)<br />
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Thank you for your consideration of this appeal. I am also willing to wait for as long is deemed appropiate before requesting admin or bureaucrat here.<br />
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[[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 22:41, 9 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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If anyone has any questions or comments regarding this appeal, feel free to leave them here and I'll do my best to address them. I'm not sure if anyone fan remove this block or if only a steward can, so I'll just let whoever reviews this make their own judgement about that. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 00:19, 10 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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{{ping|Dmehus}}, when you have time, could you look at this? Thanks. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 00:33, 12 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{Not done|Declined}} You have not at all demonstrated that you can be trusted. Between your evasion of your global Miraheze ban and your inappropriate conduct in IRC channels, you are not getting unbanned anytime soon. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 14:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Hi Mac, I understand your issue with my evasion of my lock on Miraheze, and I will not repeat that any more. However, I don't recall any times I've been inappropiate on IRC. I lurk in the miraheze overflow channel along with a few others, but I almost never say anything in those channels. And I am almost certain I have never said anything inappropiate or spammed anywhere on IRC. I just wanted to mention that because I honestly don't know what inappropiate IRC conduct you're talking about. But nevertheless, I will wait awhile longer before trying to get unblicked here again. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 15:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Ping|Piccadilly}} I suggest you quit trying to appeal your block. As Mac stated, you will ''not'' be unblocked anytime soon. Give it a rest please. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 10:33, 20 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
::I won't ask to be unblocked for a while, and I'll try to improve my behavior in other places so I show that I can be trusted here. I just have one question: how long should I wait before asking to be unblocked? [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:22, 20 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Don't ask at all. When the Stewards and Bureaucrats feel you are ready to rejoin the community, you will be notified. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 13:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Could someone please look at my appeal?==<br />
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I apologize if I sound impatient, but if possible I would really appreciate it if someone could review my appeal and either accept or decline it. I don't know if only a steward can act on this appeal, but since both stewards are mostly inactive here, I don't think it would hurt if maybe another active admin or bureaucrat makes the call on whether to unblock me or not. I will accept and abide by any conditions or restrictions that might be put in place. Thanks. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 02:51, 19 February 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Talk page access restored==<br />
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Hello Apex/Seiyena,<br />
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I have enabled your ability to edit your talk page. This page may be used for appeals only and any abuse will result in an immediate removal of TPA. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:41, 12 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Newest Block Appeal==<br />
''Moved to [[Test Wiki:Community portal]].''<br />
If you wish to comment to someone on the CP, let me know and I'll copy it there. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 13:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:As per Dmehus' encouragement, here is my proposal for handling future issues here, should they arise.<br />
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-First Instance: Removal of Permissions for 2 weeks (which may be enforced with a block from the Request Permissions page)<br />
-Second Instance: Block by any admin, bureaucrat or steward (either timed or indefinite, will leave to discretion, but preferably with talk page access on)<br />
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I am also willing to accept any conditions that may be placed on my being unblocked. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 11:49, 20 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:{{Done|Unblocked}}. Contact a bureaucrat if you would like to be granted administrator rights. I also suggest you read the conditions of your unblock in full (posted by Dmehus) on the community portal. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks for letting me know, and yes I would like admin rights. I will go read the community portal now. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 12:17, 22 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{Done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 12:33, 22 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Regarding the proposed unblock conditions==<br />
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I have read the conditions of the proposed unblock and agree to them. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 23:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:Can someone please copy my agreement above to the Community Portal so it's plainly visible to everyone that I'm okay with the proposed conditions? (Or maybe I could be temporarily unblocked to exclusively take part in the discussion there?) Thanks. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 01:27, 21 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::{{done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 01:51, 21 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Rename Request==<br />
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{{ping|Dmehus}}}, could my name be changed to Piccadilly please? It's my name on another test wiki and the name I hope to use eventually on Miraheze. Thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 00:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:[[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]], I'm willing to proceed with this, but I would like to have two or three recently active members of the community endorse this rename request. As well, per my message to you on IRC, it may actually be desirable for you to use the same name on Miraheze here (ApexAgunomu), so as for Miraheze community members to more easily assess your recent edits and behaviour, but I guess that is not essential. That will be up to you. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you for being willing to do this, and I would like to proceed with this if two or three others agree. Should I bring this to the community portal? [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 00:11, 23 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::While I supported a rename on For-test wiki, I {{oppose}} a rename here. We have specific restrictions on your ability to edit and request rights, so renaming would cause a lot of confusion. If/when these restrictions are removed, I would {{support}} an unblock. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 00:17, 23 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::[[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]], you can post a note at [[Test Wiki:Community portal]] inviting users to consider expressing any arguments for/against a rename [[User talk:Piccadilly|here]], if you want, but I think this is a fine venue. Stewards will consider the arguments made (it won't be a community !vote) in determining whether to allow a rename. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 00:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::All right, I'll let them know and ask them to comment on this page so we can keep the discussion in one place. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 00:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Your bureaucrat rights request==<br />
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Please be sure you review the closure of your conditional unblock, specifically Dmehus's comment which outlines your restrictions. One of these is as follows:<br />
*Be limited to the sysop user group for at least two (2) to four (4) weeks following closing of this discussion, after which they may be given bureaucrat when two (2) or more Test Wiki bureaucrats in good standing agree to grant the group.<br />
That is why I declined your request. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I'll go review that section. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 17:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Warning - testing on talk pages==<br />
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Like I have already reminded you cross-wiki, don’t test on talk pages, unless there is a specific reason. They are considered non-test pages, used for discussion of the actual testing page. I trust your FTW block doesn’t need to extend here. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
::No the block doesn't need to be extended. I'll test only on the appropiate pages here. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 11:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Last Warning- Testing on Talk Pages==<br />
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You have been told once to stop doing this, and as per the terms of your [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:CONDUNBLOCK|conditional unblock]], this is a formal warning, and any further disruption may be prevented by rights revocation or blocks. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:46, 8 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I do apologise for butting in but how many chances are we going to give this user? They clearly are reverting back to their old ways, even when promising they have changed. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:19, 9 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::This is a last warning. I thought that a block may not yet be absolutely necessary to prevent disruption, so this warning was given. I am merely using every available method to deter the disruption before blocking, as I treat blocks as an absolute last resort to prevent said disruption, even if the user has a long history. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 10:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Yes, I agree with @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]‘s approach to this. Upon any further abuse, an indefinite block will be placed. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:59, 9 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Blocking then is indeed an option, but indefinite time was mentioned by [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] as the last option and seems to me to be going a bit too far here. Quote:<br />
::::*Next-level consequences would include rights removal for a short period of between three (3) days and two weeks (14) days. Where sysop rights are removed, they may still be granted appropriate rights below sysop, if useful (i.e., ability to view deleted revisions to analyze their mistakes)<br />
::::*Short blocks, ideally consented to by two bureaucrat-sysops, a Steward, or a Steward and bureaucrat-sysop (if me) of the same duration as the rights removal are considered appropriate next-level consequences<br />
::::*Once three next-level consequences, including the rights removal, are received, two bureaucrat-sysops may reblock for one-month until a Steward can indefinitely block them. If they are reblocked indefinitely by a Steward, that is not their "last chance," but rather, appeals will not be considered for at least three months.<br />
::::[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:45, 9 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::I am aware of what was discussed, but part of the reason @[[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] was unblocked was because of their positive behavior on For-Test Wiki. They have since been blocked for 1 week there and on a last warning. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 17:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::While a next-level consequence may have indeed been warranted here, and the duration is reasonable, if the problem was occurring in Talk: related namespaces, why was a partial block not considered, and why was the rights removal also done? In my view, if Seiyena unblocked themselves, ''then'' the rights removal would have been justified. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::@[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] I didn’t partial block because I didn’t want to deviate from the guidelines you initially set out. Feel free to change the block as you see fit. For the rights removal, I removed right’s because they have unblocked themselves cross wiki when I didn’t revoke sysop. Just thought it best to take precautions here. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Okay, that's fair regarding the rights removal, though we really shouldn't take into consideration their behaviour on For Test Wiki. Thank you for your response regarding not using the partial block; that is definitely taking my guidelines very literally and a narrow interpretation. For greater clarity, where I write ''block'', I meant ''partial block'' or ''sitewide block''. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], since you blocked Seiyena first, did you consider a partial block? [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 21:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Um, I definitely want to here @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]‘s opinion, but they didn’t place the block. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]]: I have not blocked Seiyena once on this wiki, although as the person giving this formal warning, I recommend a partial block from all talk namespaces for around 2 weeks, and then if the disruption continues in the talk namespaces or elsewhere, an indefinite sitewide block should be placed by a Steward or a trusted Bureaucrat. I think that the nature of the abuse calls for it: Seiyena has been warned twice about disruptive behavior since her conditional unblock was placed, and has already been blocked numerous times. To continue disruption would demonstrate an incapability or refusal to stop disruptive behavior when asked, warranting an indefinite block pending explanation and proof of actual competency. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::{{done}}, except for user talks as no history of disruption there, and so they can still comment on their talk page. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:43, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I simply forgot to exclude user talk from that, thanks. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::You’re welcome. @[[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]], for revoking sysop, I figured that I probably should do so based on cross wiki abuse because I thought it was pointless to just go through the same thing here. As the saying goes, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:49, 17 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Blocked sitewide again?==<br />
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I'm not sure how my actions on another site warranted upgrading my block here again. Ak I missing something? (I do know that making that talk page on WikiTide was bad but how does that affect things here?) [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 16:15, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:It shows you haven’t changed your past behavior. I will inform you that a steward, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], has endorsed the block. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 16:31, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::Are we going to allow Seiyena to hold the Administrator permission? I do believe that it should be removed '''if''' they unblock themself. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:19, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I do believe so, yes. They can't really do anything, but if they decide to unblock themselves, that's probably an indef and a rights removal for abusing sysop rights to continue disruption, IMO. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:07, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::::Thank you. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 13:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
::[https://meta.wikitide.com/wiki/Talk:Help_center?diff=3309&oldid=3243&diffmode+=bron&diffmode=source Indeed]. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 22 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
the block reason is given, you have multiple disruptive editing, and are testing on inappropriate sections of the wiki, please wait out the block --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 16:19, 21 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Question==<br />
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Hello! [http://cocopuffwiki.ezzeblog.com/index.php/Special:Contributions/Seiyena This account] is your? [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 19:41, 22 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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i would definitely say it is very similar behavior --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 19:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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No, that is not me. I do have an account on a different wiki that Cocopuff runs, but that account is named Piccadilly. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:50, 22 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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This is the wiki where I am Piccadilly: http://cocopuffwiki.infinityfreeapp.com/index.php/Main_Page<br />
[[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 19:54, 22 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:we use this [http://cocopuffwiki.ezzeblog.com/index.php/Special:Log/block site now] which we asked everyone to transfer there accounts to. @[[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 19:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
Thank you! CU showed that the user with these accounts is the vandal who deletes content from pages. I believe he copied Seiyena's behavior. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 20:01, 22 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
*{{Ping|Piccadilly}} Accounts are merged and deleted. You can create your account on the wiki. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 20:07, 22 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:All right, thank you! [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 20:12, 22 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::I was able to sign up. I am Skiyomi there. [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 20:41, 22 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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==Possible sockpuppetry==<br />
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Possible sock abuse: [[User:Cocopuff2018]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:33, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't think they're socking. What other account do you think is theirs? [[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with @[[User:Piccadilly|Seiyena]]. What other account is there? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:39, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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::<s>[[User:Garuda]] and [[User:Bugambilia]] are also possible sock abuse. I disagree with both of you. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)</s> Never mind, Drummingman said {{Not done}}. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
:::Those are already blocked for socking. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:44, 30 June 2023 (UTC)<br />
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== Change the talk page archive link ==<br />
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Hello, can you change the talk page archive link to [[User talk:Piccadilly/Archive]]? And also please fix your signature? It's because you were renamed to Piccadilly. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 02:28, 2 July 2023 (UTC)<br />
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Yeah, I'll do that right now :) [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] ([[Special:Contribs/Piccadilly|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Piccadilly|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 02:58, 2 July 2023 (UTC)</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28429User:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-02T02:32:55Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* Reported proxies, IPs, and users */ addition of 6 words, 2 punctation letters</p>
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File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.png|PNG variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-590.sketchpad.jpeg|Bolded Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.png|PNG italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-592.sketchpad.jpeg|Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-594.sketchpad.jpeg|Cyan background Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-595.sketchpad.jpeg|Shortened tuf3891 variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 7.29.41 PM.png|Screenshot of the page [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891]] (7:29:41 PM UTC-4)<br />
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File:LG logo (2015).svg|[[:File:LG logo (2015).svg|File:LG Logo (2015).svg]]<br />
File:Samsung Logo.svg|[[:File:Samsung Logo.svg]]<br />
File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg|[[:File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg]]<br />
File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png|[[:File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png]]<br />
File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg|[[:File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg]]<br />
File:PBS logo 1970.svg|[[:File:PBS logo 1970.svg]]<br />
File:Black Square 2.png|[[:File:Black Square 2.png]]<br />
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==Reported proxies, IPs, and users==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs]] for abusive proxies, IPs, and users</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28428User:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-02T02:31:57Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: /* By me */</p>
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==Graphics==<br />
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The images below are owned by me. However, you're free to use, adapt, modify, share, distribute, redistribute, and upload my images without permission, with commercial use allowed. But you are required to keep this license of (all/both) image(s) I uploaded before uploading to the platform. My images are licensed under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ CC-BY-SA 4.0 International License]. Some rights reserved. Anyone identified to change the license(s) while using the allowed rights of my image(s) will have (all/both) copy/copies of the image(s) reported to the platform. <br />
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<gallery><br />
File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.jpeg|Regular logo<br />
File:This is merely a test.png|This is merely a test image<br />
File:640x480px test image.png|Test image with VGA resolution<br />
File:Drawing-583.sketchpad.jpeg|Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-584.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-585.sketchpad.jpeg|Black background variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-586.sketchpad.jpeg|Test image with 640x320 pixels resolution<br />
File:Drawing-587.sketchpad.jpeg|Underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-06-30 10.51.45 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (10:51:45 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.31.27 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (6:31:27 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.41.51 PM.png|Screenshot of the [[Main Page]] (6:41:51 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Drawing-589.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.png|PNG variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-590.sketchpad.jpeg|Bolded Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.png|PNG italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-592.sketchpad.jpeg|Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-594.sketchpad.jpeg|Cyan background Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-595.sketchpad.jpeg|Shortened tuf3891 variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 7.29.41 PM.png|Screenshot of the page [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891]] (7:29:41 PM UTC-4)<br />
</gallery><br />
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===Not by me===<br />
They are not owned by me.<gallery><br />
File:LG logo (2015).svg|[[:File:LG logo (2015).svg|File:LG Logo (2015).svg]]<br />
File:Samsung Logo.svg|[[:File:Samsung Logo.svg]]<br />
File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg|[[:File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg]]<br />
File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png|[[:File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png]]<br />
File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg|[[:File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg]]<br />
File:PBS logo 1970.svg|[[:File:PBS logo 1970.svg]]<br />
File:Black Square 2.png|[[:File:Black Square 2.png]]<br />
</gallery><br />
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==Reported proxies, IPs, and users==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs]]</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28427User:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-02T02:31:23Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: </p>
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<div>Hi, and welcome to my user page. This is the userpage for the user Tailsultimatefan3891 on Test Wiki. I'm the user Tailsultimatefan3891 on Test Wiki. I'm an autoconfirmed editor. I'm a patroller. I'm a user. I'm not an administrator. I'm not a bureaucrat. I'm not a suppressor. I'm not a steward. I'm not a CheckUser. I'm not a system administrator. I'm not a bot. I'm not an interface administrator. I'm not a push subscription manager. I'm not a translation manager. I'm not a researcher. I'm not a chat moderator. I'm not a reviewer. I'm not an editor. I'm not an interwiki administrator. I'm not an autochecked user. I'm not an autopatrolled user. I'm not an example user. I'm not an autoreviewed user. I'm not a confirmed user. I'm not a user blocked from chat. You do not see my IP address. Should you need any help, feel free to leave a message on my talk page or send an email to me [[Special:EmailUser/Tm8150switch88|here]]. I am also Tailsultimatefan3891 on Github and Soalris5296 on Wikimedia.<br />
<br />
==Graphics==<br />
===By me===<br />
The images below are owned by me. However, you're free to use, adapt, modify, share, distribute, redistribute, and upload my images without permission, with commercial use allowed. But you are required to keep this license of (all/both) image(s) I uploaded before uploading to the platform. My images are licensed under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ CC-BY-SA 4.0 International License]. Some rights reserved. Anyone identified to change the licenses while using the allowed rights of my image(s) will have (all/both) copy/copies of the image(s) reported to the platform. <br />
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<gallery><br />
File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.jpeg|Regular logo<br />
File:This is merely a test.png|This is merely a test image<br />
File:640x480px test image.png|Test image with VGA resolution<br />
File:Drawing-583.sketchpad.jpeg|Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-584.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-585.sketchpad.jpeg|Black background variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-586.sketchpad.jpeg|Test image with 640x320 pixels resolution<br />
File:Drawing-587.sketchpad.jpeg|Underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-06-30 10.51.45 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (10:51:45 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.31.27 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (6:31:27 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.41.51 PM.png|Screenshot of the [[Main Page]] (6:41:51 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Drawing-589.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.png|PNG variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-590.sketchpad.jpeg|Bolded Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.png|PNG italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-592.sketchpad.jpeg|Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-594.sketchpad.jpeg|Cyan background Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-595.sketchpad.jpeg|Shortened tuf3891 variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 7.29.41 PM.png|Screenshot of the page [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891]] (7:29:41 PM UTC-4)<br />
</gallery><br />
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===Not by me===<br />
They are not owned by me.<gallery><br />
File:LG logo (2015).svg|[[:File:LG logo (2015).svg|File:LG Logo (2015).svg]]<br />
File:Samsung Logo.svg|[[:File:Samsung Logo.svg]]<br />
File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg|[[:File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg]]<br />
File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png|[[:File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png]]<br />
File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg|[[:File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg]]<br />
File:PBS logo 1970.svg|[[:File:PBS logo 1970.svg]]<br />
File:Black Square 2.png|[[:File:Black Square 2.png]]<br />
</gallery><br />
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==Reported proxies, IPs, and users==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs]]</div>Tailsultimatefan3891https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=User:Tailsultimatefan3891&diff=28426User:Tailsultimatefan38912023-07-02T02:30:59Z<p>Tailsultimatefan3891: </p>
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<div>Hi, and welcome to my user page. This is the userpage for the user Tailsultimatefan3891 on Test Wiki. I'm the user Tailsultimatefan3891 on Test Wiki. I'm an autoconfirmed editor. I'm a patroller. I'm a user. I'm not an administrator. I'm not a bureaucrat. I'm not a suppressor. I'm not a steward. I'm not a CheckUser. I'm not a system administrator. I'm not a bot. I'm not an interface administrator. I'm not a push subscription manager. I'm not a translation manager. I'm not a researcher. I'm not a chat moderator. I'm not a reviewer. I'm not an editor. I'm not an interwiki administrator. I'm not an autochecked user. I'm not an autopatrolled user. I'm not an example user. I'm not an autoreviewed user. I'm not a confirmed user. I'm not a user blocked from chat. You do not see my IP address. Should you need any help, feel free to leave a message on my talk page or send an email to me [[Special:EmailUser/Tm8150switch88|here]].<br />
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I am also Tailsultimatefan3891 on Github.<br />
<br />
==Graphics==<br />
===By me===<br />
The images below are owned by me. However, you're free to use, adapt, modify, share, distribute, redistribute, and upload my images without permission, with commercial use allowed. But you are required to keep this license of (all/both) image(s) I uploaded before uploading to the platform. My images are licensed under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ CC-BY-SA 4.0 International License]. Some rights reserved. Anyone identified to change the licenses while using the allowed rights of my image(s) will have (all/both) copy/copies of the image(s) reported to the platform. <br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.jpeg|Regular logo<br />
File:This is merely a test.png|This is merely a test image<br />
File:640x480px test image.png|Test image with VGA resolution<br />
File:Drawing-583.sketchpad.jpeg|Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-584.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-585.sketchpad.jpeg|Black background variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-586.sketchpad.jpeg|Test image with 640x320 pixels resolution<br />
File:Drawing-587.sketchpad.jpeg|Underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-06-30 10.51.45 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (10:51:45 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.31.27 PM.png|Screenshot of this page (6:31:27 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 6.41.51 PM.png|Screenshot of the [[Main Page]] (6:41:51 PM UTC-4)<br />
File:Drawing-589.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic underlined variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-582.sketchpad.png|PNG variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-590.sketchpad.jpeg|Bolded Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.jpeg|Italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-591.sketchpad.png|PNG italic Oswald font variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-592.sketchpad.jpeg|Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-594.sketchpad.jpeg|Cyan background Josefin Sans variant of the logo<br />
File:Drawing-595.sketchpad.jpeg|Shortened tuf3891 variant of the logo<br />
File:Screenshot 2023-07-01 7.29.41 PM.png|Screenshot of the page [[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891]] (7:29:41 PM UTC-4)<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
===Not by me===<br />
They are not owned by me.<gallery><br />
File:LG logo (2015).svg|[[:File:LG logo (2015).svg|File:LG Logo (2015).svg]]<br />
File:Samsung Logo.svg|[[:File:Samsung Logo.svg]]<br />
File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg|[[:File:Logo of the LG Corporation (1995-2008).svg]]<br />
File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png|[[:File:Wikimedia Commons Wide.png]]<br />
File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg|[[:File:Wikimania 2008 logo.svg]]<br />
File:PBS logo 1970.svg|[[:File:PBS logo 1970.svg]]<br />
File:Black Square 2.png|[[:File:Black Square 2.png]]<br />
</gallery><br />
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==Reported proxies, IPs, and users==<br />
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891/Block users and IPs]]</div>Tailsultimatefan3891